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Haymarket to treble in size



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Published Date: 29 April 2008
HAYMARKET Station would almost treble in size under detailed plans for a £190 million redevelopment unveiled today.
Council chiefs have finalised plans for a revamp of the 164-year-old station to cope with an expected doubling of passenger numbers to nine million a year over the next two decades.

Controversial moves to demolish the grade A-listed station and neighbouring Ryries Bar to make way for a transport interchange have been abandoned in favour of developing around them.

But the scheme, designed by leading architects firm Aedas, does feature a giant glass roof over all of the new public areas.

The £1.4m feasibility study has resulted in a masterplan for the area, which will be known as the Haymarket interchange, aimed at improving bus, train and tram links. Among the details of the plan are:

• The station concourse and public areas nearly trebling in size to 8700 square metres.

• A space in front of the station for the monument to Edinburgh's footballers killed in the First World War, currently housed next to The Haymarket Bar.

• Retaining and refurbishing the A-listed station and neighbouring Ryries Bar.

• New offices, shops and flats to restore the frontage on to Dalry Road and Haymarket Terrace.

City leaders today described regenerating the station as "essential" to ensure that the city continues to grow and cope with the increased demand for public transport.

There is currently no funding for the masterplan and it has now been passed to Transport Scotland, which will consider the proposals as part of its wider review of transport priorities across Scotland, due to report this summer.

Construction will take around two years and will get under way in 2012 if funding is secured.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's transport leader, said: "A regenerated station is essential to ensure that the city keeps moving effectively as it, as well as the Haymarket area, continues to expand.

"The existing facility is becoming strained, congested and inadequate, with pedestrians and passengers constantly competing for space.

"These proposals give us a very real and exciting vision of how we could create a sleek transport hub which will be integrated with trams and buses and which will be much more suited to its status as one of the country's busiest train stations."

The first phase of the project, which will be entirely public funded and priced at £76.9m, will involve the public transport improvements, including the new concourse levels, glazed roof and links to the tram line.

The second phase of the ambitious project, priced at £113.6m, would involve the building of new offices, flats and shops around the station.

This is likely to involve replacing the Roseberry House office block adjacent to the station's car park.

Officials have said both phases could be carried out at the same time to minimise disruption.

A public consultation conducted last year found overwhelming support for the much-needed revamp of station facilities.

Among the common themes was the desire to retain the listed buildings while another typical plea was for the city to "avoid the mistakes of the past" and develop intrusive buildings.

Plans to revamp the area around Haymarket Station were first put forward four years ago and a total of 12 options were whittled down to a shortlist of three.

The city council has led the Haymarket study, but funding has come from Transport Scotland, as well as input from Network Rail and station operator First ScotRail.

A revamped Haymarket will be positioned to serve a number of new developments in the area, such as the creation of a shops, offices and hotels complex at the Morrison Street car park.

www.haymarketinterchange.com

The full article contains 622 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

fresian,

edinburgh 29/04/2008 10:14:01
Why is public money being used when we no longer have a nationalised railway. The train operators are supposed to be running a service and making a profit, and will make a handsome profit if the growth in passenger numbers reaches the figures projected. Let them put some of that back instead of robbing the taxpayer at every opportunity.
2

Complainer,

29/04/2008 10:20:32
A giant glass roof? Is it needed or is it an excuse for a shopping mall which means more revenue for Network Rail as Waverley isn't be developed into a cash cow.
Surprising too, the trams got a mention...
3

Yonthing!,

29/04/2008 11:32:24
Of course the plans to demolish the station and Ryries have been abandoned. They were only floated as an idea to make this option appear more palatable.

Can't wait to see the roadworks that this little "upgrade" will create - Dalry Road and Haymarket Terrace both closed for six months. But it'll be outside of tourist season, so thats alright!
4

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 11:38:01
Phil Wheeler is right about one thing, Haymarket is a nightmare as it stands.

Still , i wish scotland was a country that would get on with this kind of stuff instead of having huge "feasability" studies in the low millions for things that never get done.
5

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 12:13:38
#2 A giant glass roof works well at Frankfurt Airport, why would it not work well here? Try to think positively for a change and see this for what it is - a positive improvement for the station, albeit currently without funding.
6

Alasdair,

29/04/2008 12:18:55
David - try and be realistic, and not simply "positive" for the sake of the prestige new development can bring.

When these plans were first proposed, in all the different forms, posters like #3 predicted perfectly that the most extravagent scheme was merely there to lessen the reaction to the second-granded, this one.

It's badly conceived and an embarrassment that we follow so predictable a route. Glass canopies? Oh my, how unlike everything else being built at the moment.
7

Hmm ...,

29/04/2008 12:19:34
... a couple of thoughts cross my mind.

I understood that a Haymarket transport hub was one of the selling points of the tram line but work is not to start until 2012 so trams will be passing under the work when it starts a year or so after the trams start running.

Why is this? Are we to see even longer disruption as tie tries to fit the trams into Edinburgh's streetscape? And fails dismally.
8

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

, Newington 29/04/2008 12:30:16
Covered in glass? Is someone going for the World's Biggest Paperweight record?
9

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 29/04/2008 12:31:41
Transport improvements in London ? Money no problem !
Anywhere else, err sorry no cash.
10

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 29/04/2008 12:31:43
No word about cycling to, and parking at, the station: how many cycle racks are planned, and what segregated cycle lanes will bypass the motor roads? Multimodal journeys by bike and train are the mark of an advanced civilised society, and are the fastest and pleasantest way to travel.
11

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 12:36:20
calm down William . Theres not a lot of any kind of detail here in any shape or form.

Not even any proof its actually going happen.

12

Mallory,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 12:37:17
How will they increase the trains numbers by three times, or are extra carriages planned?
13

PaulB,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 12:40:23
Excellent idea - but surely this work should have been integrated with the plans for the trams? otherwise the trams will be disrupted a year after opening (or so) by works at Haymarket. Joined-Up thinking - Scotland - no chance!
14

Yeti,

29/04/2008 12:40:29
#1 The station isn't owned my the train operators, but by Network Rail which, since Railtrack fell apart, is a public company in all but name
15

Iain fae Elgin,

29/04/2008 13:09:48
"Why is public money being used when we no longer have a nationalised railway"

Because of the nature of the privatised railways. Companies pay for a franchise that will run for only a set amount of time. They cannot be expected to invest in infrastructure that will well outlive their involvement.

Look at GNER, already defunct.
16

Way Out West,

29/04/2008 13:10:06
A glass roof?

Perfect for the local neds to throw stones at.
17

Iain fae Elgin,

29/04/2008 13:10:42
#9...you should see a doctor about that chip on your shoulder. It must be hurting by now.
18

GrahamR,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 13:10:55
Never mind a glass roof in 2012. How about lifts to the platforms now?

Haymarket has much better bus access than Waverley. It will have better tram access. But the large flights of stairs render it virtually unusable by anyone with mobility problems.

Wasting time and money on vast plans from Adidas architects just allow things to be put on hold for longer as nobody is willing to make urgent and necessary modifications while the planning process is waiting to see if the big vision will be funded.
19

Rap,

Haymarket 29/04/2008 13:19:55
#18 We have been told that plans for lifts and elevators should be implemented sooner as the rail franchisee needs to stump up some development money as part of their franchise. However, it was expected that the amount would be less than required - so Transport Scotland/Executive would have to make up the difference. But the timescale (assuming funded was obtained) was a lot lot sooner than the station redevelopment.
20

William of Liberton,

EDINBURGH 29/04/2008 13:20:41
#11 The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

Don't worry, I am becoming depressed rather than "excited": there in not a single word in this report about either pedestrian or cylist access, yet it is people which trains and trams are supposed to carry, and it is they who want to get to and from public transport terminals and interchanges in a safe and pleasant manner.
21

badger464,

29/04/2008 13:24:51
difficult to see how it may treble in size without excaviting the streets on either side of haymarket, unless of course it meant treble in headroom with the new glass roof
22

Rap,

Haymarket 29/04/2008 13:29:51
#20 They have considered pedestrian and cycle routes - one of the main reasons for the development, to allow the commuters into the station without having to go in one small door. they want to open up the front access point for those on foot and bike.
As for bike numbers, at least this is still at a feasibility stage, you should save your energies on plans which are a lot closer - the Haymarket development is reducing their planned bike rack from the Council recommended 250 down to 60. That's what you should complain about it. they are reducing car parking space to encourage less cars but yet offer a pathetic alternative to cyclists.
23

Buttress,

29/04/2008 13:30:23
3 - spot on.

It's how it all operates - float the worst possible scenario then say you have listened to protests and altered the plans - to the second worst scenario.

24

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:30:39
20 Well , William of Liberton (ffs) why dont you just wait and see if this scheme will go ahead . At the moment you can use any one of the many off road , previous railway lines in this part of the city.

Badger , one idea would be to fill Haymarket with rice and then pour boiling water onto it. That would make it expand quite quickly.
25

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:31:52
22 In holland we just fasten our bikes onto walls , railing people children and other bikes.
26

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29/04/2008 13:32:47
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:33:39
Thats right , we employ immigrants as Railing People to look after our Bikes.

We cant WAIT for the Poles to arrive....
28

Rap,

Haymarket 29/04/2008 13:36:02
#26 This is purely a feasibility study - no money is guarenteed, and definitely no planning approval. No plans even. And without these sort of studies how do you think large scale developments go ahead? Without it you'd just have whinging about no study. Can't win really.
29

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:39:41
Ever heard of writing on the back of a cigarette packet Rap ?

Wheres the website , wheres the links to architects, the plans, the drawings ,wheres the information ?

This is just like the plans for St James Centre, which might or might not happen in about ten years , and we'll be reading this sort of rubbish for years to come in the meantime.
30

Al Jabir,

Edinbro' 29/04/2008 13:41:17
#9

Half of all the country's rail journeys each day are made solely within London's boundaries and they have some of the country's most congested routes. I think they have a case!

But you also seem to be ingoring the huge investment in:
Alloa - Kincardine
Ardrie - Bathgate
Glasgow Airport Rail Link
The Waverley Line
not to mention donzons of station improvements

31

Rap,

Haymarket 29/04/2008 13:42:52
http://www.haymarketinterchange.com/

Being updated. I'm sure the rough feasibility details will be on there. No plans as this is not a planning application.



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29/04/2008 13:43:24
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:44:14
Merci Rap. Ooh i get annoyed. Bloody
34

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:44:56
Thats a porn site.
35

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:45:20
The Haymarket Interchange website is now under construction.

Updates will be completed by 5pm 1st May.

We apologies for any inconvenience
36

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:45:50
Well it took 4 years to get this far. Dont hold your breath folks. Ok, I be nice now.
37

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 13:56:56
This is like the "draw your mum" contest they had a few weeks ago.
38

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29/04/2008 14:08:00
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The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 14:10:16
they made pictuers and sent them to the council. All the council sat round a big table and picked the best one.

The best one from Dafyyd Murray Architects and partners got a 1.4 Million Gift Voucher for Harburn Hobbies to spend on crayons and fuzzy felt.
40

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29/04/2008 14:32:56
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41

The Judge,

29/04/2008 15:02:19
Never going to happen.
42

mad moo,

edinburgh 29/04/2008 15:11:10
Ha Ha have you watched the video????
The commentary sounds like an easyjet trolly dolly giving safety instructions.
hope you all noticed that whilst Ryries is saved there is an assumption about the haymarket Bar being demolished in June (this was also reported bythe Evening News a few days ago but very small piece burried in the paper)
Planning consent for the tram stop is needed and an application is still to be validated.....
see CEC planning portal application ref 08/00980/PA at
http://citydev-portal.edinburgh.gov.uk/publicaccess/tdc/dcapplication/application_detailview.aspx?KEYVAL=JXXP4OEWR0000&module=P3&hidereturn=true

This will no doubt be passed nice and quick as an essential part of the new Haymarket under disguise of the Trams.
43

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 15:47:35
#20 & #22

Don't jump to conclusions with regard to cycle provision at Haymarket Station or the gap site opposite. Both are a different stages of planning but no decision taken either way as to what will be finally be provided.

The council are right to ask for cycle parking and facilites during the planning process, however the current numbers being requested are excessive in relation to the numbers of people currently cycling. The visual impact to drivers will be "look at all those empty cycle parking spaces". It would be far better if the cycle parking provision was realistic but could be increased over time by converting car parking spaces to cycle parking as more people contnue to cycle through promotional activites additional routes and on-street facilites etc.



44

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 15:53:59
Schemes that never happen.

Call me sad but I always wonder how many of these developments both in Edinburgh and elsewhere with lovely artists impressions and now nice promotional videos actuially get built. (And if they do - do they actually look like the atchitects and artists imagined?)
45

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29/04/2008 16:20:55
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29/04/2008 16:46:49
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Rap,

Haymarket 29/04/2008 16:58:24
#42 I think you are getting confused with Haymarket Bar and the Caley Ale House. The Caley Ale House is going to be knocked down very soon (next month or so) to make way for the tram stop. The Haymarket Bar is nowhere near a tram stop and is staying up.

#43 The proposed plans for the Morrison St. car park propose only 60 bike spaces, instead of the suggested Council filgure of about 250. A set of changes to the original plans are being submitted this week, so we can see if negative feedback about the bike provision has been taken on board. The decision on this site will be made in June at a public hearing.
48

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 17:15:39
#47
My point exactly. Lets not get too bogged down in the figures until the fat lady has sang.
49

Rap,

Haymarket, 29/04/2008 17:18:51
Scallywag, the fat lady is warming up as we speak. And the figures are what is important. There is absolutely no point overlooking them and then start complaining once it's all decided and you don't like the results.
50

Anecdotal,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 18:29:11
The video tour has the trams operating without ugly overhead power cables is that accurate?
51

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

29/04/2008 18:45:05
I hope it goes ahead Rap i truly do. And good luck to you.

Ive just seen too much of this rubbish and grandoise schemes "planned"in edinburgh before with nada at the end.

cheers
52

Euan,

Edinburgh 29/04/2008 18:53:01
#9, Road Raga

'Transport improvements in London ? Money no problem !
Anywhere else, err sorry no cash.'

'transport improvements' - more like tramsport degradation.

You're the one who bleats on about how great the trams will be, 'sorry no cash' - well at least there seems to be a spare £600 million sloshing about to squander on a next-to-useless tram line.

You ignoramus.
53

charliegreen,

edinburgh 29/04/2008 19:33:33
Caley ale house gets demolished on the 4th june. And as for car parking in the future at haymarket station, there wont be any.tuff eh, oh well time to get the penny farthing oot.
54

Gopher,

edinburgh 29/04/2008 20:02:17
No mention of taxi rank. The existing rank is being closed in September this year due to trams with no plans to restore service. Nearest rank is outside Grosvenor Hotel. Should be fun crossing a rather busy road.
55

Andrew,

29/04/2008 20:18:52
"£1.4M feasibility study"???? We're all in the wrong job re the exhorbitant consultancy ££££££££££ees!!!
56

Andrew,

29/04/2008 20:20:31
54
Taxis? You'll have a tram!!!!
57

Andrew,

29/04/2008 20:21:19
56/54 an before that, still plenty of buses!!
58

Scotish Exile,

29/04/2008 20:34:15
#55, excellent gravy train...all aboard...thanks to incompetent council officials
59

AndrewCook,

edinburgh 29/04/2008 21:04:24
Think this looks great - hope this or something similar goes ahead. Fresh modern design.

Always thought that Haymarket could be redeveloped along the lines of Potsdam station in Germany. There the top level is a shopping centre and the railway station is almost out of sight. Works really well.

Why don't they hand Haymarket over to one of the big property developers to get the most out of the site?
60

Jacqueline Hyde ,

29/04/2008 21:41:15
Why not have the "hub" out near the airport? Or has the term "integrated transport" been binned.
61

filthy,

29/04/2008 22:09:17
my dad always used haymarket, i always remember him saying to his pals that he gets off at haymarket
62

Navvy,

30/04/2008 01:02:22
#60 yes ther should be a hub at the airport. at present there is to all intents only public transport from the airport to Edinburgh and those wanting to go to Linlithgow, falkirk, Stirling or Fife are "advised" - no choice - to go to Edinburgh first

Haymarket should be a hub where train. bus, and even tram passengers can change and where cyclists can park.

#59 agreed

I do wonder why the roof has to be giant, why does it not just roof the station and the interchange?

I hope that these works will not make it difficult to build the high speed train station at a later date. The high speed trains will run in tunnel under Haymarket and Waverly and ultimately to England through Lothian and to the new combined Scotland Airport (The Royal Highland Show will be able to move back to Ingliston) at Shotts and to Glasgow St Enoch/Central
63

Dragonlord,

30/04/2008 10:48:20
If you watch the video you will see two lanes of cars, speeding down the same lanes as the trams, one of which is in the opposite direction. Chaos rules.
64

someonewhocares,

Scotland 30/04/2008 15:01:21
#63 If you look at the video you will see the cars "speeding" are crossing a traffic light controlled junction...duh!
Remember this is only at feasibility

 

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