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Put the brakes on buses pram ban



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Published Date: 31 July 2008
WHO in Edinburgh has not, at some point, been left standing at a stop when it's been dark, wet and freezing because the bus is full? Did you feel discriminated against because no-one got off to let you on? Did you feel hard done by that those lucky passengers who got on just a stop earlier were now cosy inside while you were frozen to the bone and had at least another ten minutes to wait?
Did you demand legislation be introduced which stated that all those named John, or Jim or Joanne should be given priority over all other bus users? No.

And why not? Because it is public transport – the clue is in the name – and it should be able
to be used by everyone on an equal, first-come-first-served basis.

So why should those unfortunate people who are in wheelchairs but who choose like many others to use the bus, be more equal? Why are they given priority over, say parents or even grandparents with prams?

No-one can deny a person in a wheelchair has as much right to be able to use the buses as anyone else – but does that mean they should have more right than a newborn baby in a pram?

According to the Disability Discrimination Acts of 1995 and 2005, public service vehicles have to ensure that it is possible for disabled persons to get on to and off buses in safety and without unreasonable difficulty (while remaining in their wheelchairs) and to be carried in such vehicles in safety and in reasonable comfort.

Nowhere does it say if someone else is in a space which can be used by a wheelchair, then they should be turfed off.

According to Lothian Buses, while the legislation may not specifically state that wheelchair users should be given priority, as there is no mention of prams or buggies at all the spirit of the law is that wheelchairs come first.

And you know it is probably right, but if the bus is full and there are standing passengers in the wheelchair space, they are not asked to get off. In fact the Public Service Vehicle Regulations (2002) states that "where other passengers are occupying the wheelchair space you should ask them to move... you do not have to let the wheelchair user aboard if the carrying capacity – seated or standing – would be exceeded... other passengers are not obliged to move and you are not expected to make them."

So why should having a baby in a pram make you a second-class citizen?

After all anti-discrimination legislation for the disabled is not there so that another group in society can be discriminated against instead.

This row between parents and Lothian Buses should not be allowed to continue to develop – a compromise based in common sense has to be reached – at least until buses are fit for 21st-century travel and more than one wheelchair or pram or buggy can get on at the same time.

Of course if a child is in a foldable buggy and someone in a wheelchair wants to board, then the buggy should be collapsed and the child held by the parent. The parent with such a buggy has to be informed that they'll be expected to do this in the event of a disabled passenger wanting to get on – and perhaps the driver could even help the parent in such an occurrence.

Where Lothian Buses has gone wrong is in implementing this blanket ban without any warning or consultation. The company says it's always been the case, but drivers have been more than willing to allow prams on in the past.

Let rigid-frame prams on, but tell the parents that they may well have to get off if a wheelchair user wants to board – but make it easy for the parent. Let their ticket be transferable so they're not having to fork out more fare money.

What there's little point suggesting (as many of our more child-unfriendly online readers have) is that parents with prams should just walk everywhere. Given that we no longer live in a society where all that we need is on our doorsteps, this is no longer practical.

Would anyone fancy walking from Leith, Portobello, or Corstorphine to the Royal Hospital for Sick Children or Edinburgh Royal Infirmary for an appointment, pushing a pram in the pouring rain because your only available transport option is now closed to you? Would you fancy having to do the same journey in a wheelchair?

It's a ridiculous choice, and the sooner Lothian Buses relaxes its rigid stance on this issue, the better.

Hairy times at salon
THERE'S an ad on the radio which claims all that's required to take the stress out of finding a hairdresser is to visit Yell.com.

I did – and there was a total of 337 in Edinburgh. Enough to make you pull your hair out with stress.

A regular hairdresser is for many women a major part of their life – the person who knows just how much they like off their fringe, or what shade of blonde is appropriate for their age. Once you've found the right one, you tend to stick with them forever – or at least until their price becomes obscene.

I have been on a hunt for such a person for the last 18 months since my previous cutter hung up her scissors. Since then I've had my hair run through the fingers of countless stylists, and always left feeling, well . . . discontented and much poorer. So much so that I've not set foot in a salon for the last six months in fear of what might happen next.

Tomorrow I'll be trying out the skills of Allan at new Haymarket salon Caldow. Hair's hoping he'll be The One.





The full article contains 980 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 31 July 2008 8:31 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Gina Davidson
 
1

mumtobrats,

31/07/2008 11:41:48
Excellent work Gina - finally some sense!
2

bun107,

EDINBURGH 31/07/2008 11:44:38
Thank you for a great article! please let the slagging off of Mums, Dads and little ones cease! in the pages of our Edinburgh papers!

Please Lothian Buses.....can you not learn to compromise?

3

CarolineB,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 11:57:18
Gina - what an excellent article. I really hope that this will help lothian buses see sense.

Kindest regards

Caroline
4

outragedofpinner,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 11:57:44
Excellent article, well said.

This is a ridiculous policy and it surely going to force parents and carers to use their cars instead, paying exhorbitant parking charges too of course (conspiracy theory anyone?)

What is LRT's policy if two or more wheelchair users want to use the same bus I wonder???
5

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/07/2008 12:01:55
Here we go.

Of course you can only get one pram on a bus, so what do we get after one is on , and another wants to get on ?

Pram Wars.

You can argue about this all day.

Compromise People. Use a Buggy or a SLING for a very young baby.
6

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

31/07/2008 12:04:02
Gina is spot on that tickets should be transferable. Full stop basically. Pay your 1,10 and travel where you like within an hour.
7

Grumpy,

31/07/2008 12:10:09
Lothian Bus annouce that they will ban prams - at the same time as announcing cut backs on services that go to the, lets say, less well-off areas.

Why are babies not classed as disabled? I've yet to see a 3 month old be able to look after itself. Without trying to discredit anyone disabled, but disabled people are substantially better able to look after themselves than a young baby.

And on a cold winter's day, who do you think would fair better standing waiting for the next 30 minute frequency bus? Not the baby that's for sure.

Lothian Bus need to simply practice common sense, as all the other bus operators do, and at least allow a fold-down carry-cot type that will ensure the SAFETY of the baby (And if that's nothing to do with Health & Safety, I don't know)


8

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 31/07/2008 12:47:26

Are they allowed prams on the bandwagon abd the gravy train?
9

La La,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 13:05:20
Gina - thank you, finally someone with sense and a reasonable sense of perspective. As a parent with a 2 year-old and another baby due this year I am keeping my fingers crossed this is resolved sensibly or I'll be forced to drive everywhere that is outwith walking distance when I have the new baby which makes little or no sense in a town which is becoming less car friendly by the week!
10

Daddykoolest,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 13:27:45
Gina you seem to be boiling the argument down to a choice between prams or wheelchairs?

Wheelchairs users very seldom outgrown their transport, babies do.

Face the facts, Caroline B has blown this out of proportion, she is conveniently ignoring the fact that the space is designed for wheelchairs users and that the bus companies allow other people to use it only if there space.

Remember its not so long ago that we have two-door buses and the space we are discussing didn't exist. As for the conundrum about multiple wheelchair users that's really besides the point, that's between them.

Many disabled people are fully grown and often travel with carers, unlike babies they can't easily be inserted into a sling or tucked under one arm.

As for walking I agree many of our communities no longer have the facilities we need close to hand, but this stunning lack of perspective is astounding.

My mother is in her 70s, walk with two sticks and would gladly vacate her seat for a wheelchair user. Caroline B states she would be willing to do like-wise but is unwilling to consider using a sling for fear of crushing her baby if she fell. I think a little old lady with two sticks could teach you a little humility.

Shame on you.

11

sick of edinburgh,

31/07/2008 14:27:16
the real problem is that parents bought prams that don't collapse. They should consider what they are going to be doing travel wise when they buy and stop blaming the bus company. They should go complain to the pram designers.
The space is for wheelchair users and lothian buses should never have started allowing the big prams on in the first place. If you are standing at the bus stop with a baby in arms and a collapsed pram you will get on it, thats the way it always used to be.

Can I just ask, all this talk about babies having to lie flat in prams..is this new too? Do babies now lie flat in the womb?
12

thehitmaster,

Penicuik 31/07/2008 16:17:08
#6 If you want to travel anywhere on one ticket then get a day saver, only £2.50 and you can travel on as many buses as you wish!
13

James (1),

31/07/2008 16:24:25
Does the same give and take attitude apply to Supermarket carparks?
Row on row of empty parent & child spaces. Why? What is so traumatic about walking an extra 50 feet that a mother NEEDS to be at the Supermarket door?
Same goes for disabled spaces. Why give them so many spaces?
Why give them priority over say single or childless or able bodied (Am I allowed to say that? I have mislaid my PC dictionary).
Why not make mothers buy a permit to get their buggy onto a bus? Motorists have to pay for a parking permit without any guarantee of a space. Make mothers pay and the benefit is the buses get more money (after all they are having to cut services to try to break even)
14

I love to eat Sellotape,

31/07/2008 16:51:47
12.

But only one bus at a time. You should have pointed that out, really.
15

Graham P,

Edinburgh 31/07/2008 18:05:19
"No-one can deny a person in a wheelchair has as much right to be able to use the buses as anyone else – but does that mean they should have more right than a newborn baby in a pram?"

Well, someone in a wheelchair is less able to walk the journey than someone pushing a pram. And the carer of a baby or toddler has the option of using a foldable pram or buggy, and folding it; this may be a hassle but it is far more practical than somebody wheelchair-bound getting out of their wheelchair and folding it!
16

alex paterson,

edinburgh 31/07/2008 18:20:34
If your pram has wheels,push it the walk will do you the world of good,and air for the kid,sleeps better.
17

Cassandra,

31/07/2008 22:54:01
#7 - the buses DO let foldable buggies on without dispute, but the person with the buggy is expected to fold it if a wheelchair user gets on. I really don't see why prams that can't be folded should demand to use buses - parents who know they will depend on public transport should consider this when deciding what type of baby carriage to buy. Newborns can be carried safely in slings.
Since only some buses are accessible, I understand wheelchair users' dismay at being expected to wait when it's 'dark, wet and freezing' because even if the next bus is empty, there's no guarantee it will be accessible. People with buggies will get on and fold them anyway if there's no wheelchair space.
#13 I agree - there are lots of elderly people not disabled enough to pass the draconian tests to get a blue badge, who have difficulty, especially in bad weather, trailing across supermarket car parks while healthy, able bodied parents are allowed to occupy all the spaces near the doors not taken up by accessible parking. Why can't parent and child spaces be allocated amongst the general parking so that everybody willing to spend their money at that shop has a chance of a space near the door?
18

James (1),

01/08/2008 21:07:34
#17 I would say there are not enough old people devious enough to pass the blue badge test.
Have you seen some of the blue badge holders? They could play for any 1st division football team.
That badge scheme is a farce, which is abused.

 

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