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Published Date: 13 April 2008
THE annual Tartan Day parade in New York will have to be scrapped unless the Scottish Government properly backs the event, organisers warned last night.
Ministers are keen to ditch the "heather and haggis" image of the parade, but the modernisation plan has backfired, with New York insiders saying they are "deeply upset and insulted" by the suggestion that Scots see their efforts as a joke.

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ganisers predict they will struggle to find volunteers to help put on the parade in future and the event will have to be cancelled.

They are also angry at the decision by Scottish ministers to refer to Tartan Week as 'Scotland Week'.

The row comes after First Minister Alex Salmond said his approach to the annual event would concentrate less on the "party element" and more on a "hard-headed" focus on forging business. The amount spent on the event by the Scottish Government was also cut.

In 2004 Tartan Week heaped enduring embarrassment on the then First Minister Jack McConnell after he was photographed wearing a pin-striped kilt and Jacobite shirt.

Salmond and Culture Minister Linda Fabiani were among those who visited the States last week for the first Tartan Week since the SNP won power.

The problems appear to have begun in New York, where the Tartan Day parade was held on April 6.

Speaking anonymously, several organisers in the city complained they were cut out of the loop by the Scottish contingent, none of whom bothered to explain the changes which, they believe, were made purely to deflect criticism from the Scottish press about "junketeering politicians".

One source said: "If we had known about the changes we could all have been brand ambassadors for the event. Instead, what's left is a high level of resentment."

Another added: "We're very upset about the unilateral decision to change the name. Alex can call it what he wants but that's not going to change the views of the people here who have spent 10 years trying to make this event really work."

Another organiser said: "The message we were getting was that we don't want to be about heather and haggis. They kept on referring to the Scottish cringe. But if that is so, why did VisitScotland then set up a haggis vendor on the street?"

Members of the New York-based St Andrew's Society were among those believed to be particularly angry after the visiting Scots organised a major function on the same night as their own Tartan Week ball.

The event is now being thrown into doubt by some of the organisers. "Another year like this one and I don't think it can survive," said one.

"We need to come together to work this out for next year. But if we are to keep doing this then it will be a return to Tartan Week and not Scotland Week."

The Scottish Government last night brushed the complaints aside. A spokesman said: "Scotland Week is going to go from strength to strength – it will be even bigger next year – and any suggestion to the contrary could not be more wrong. Off-the-record, negative comments simply have no credibility and no basis in fact."



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  • Last Updated: 12 April 2008 7:25 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: Tartan Week
 
1

The Answer,

Glasgow 12/04/2008 20:54:24
"Iconic"
2

DER FUHRER,

13/04/2008 00:02:21
Salmonds interference causing trouble again.
3

Matt there,

somewhere 13/04/2008 00:36:33
Tartans are worn in Scotland. And in Wales and Ireland.

So Tartan Week is a bit non-brand specific.

Scotland Week sounds vibrant, dynamic and gutsy.

Tartan Week (weak??) can be seen as a bit "Och, lets have a wee dram, some Dundee cake and some shortbread Afore ye go!"

Tartan Week is cute and non-threatening to the status quo.

Scotland Week? Oh, no! That's far too strong! It might give the world the impression that there's more to Scotland than Tartan and Shortbread!
4

tomi,

Fort Lauderdale, Florida,USA 13/04/2008 00:52:20
Who really cares?

Scots do not need big parades to flout how Scottish we are, we just get on and do it. This is proved, by example, in the substancial contribution, that the Scots have made to the developement of the United States.

Perhaps it is because Scotland is physically attached to England, that we don't want to advertise ourselves too much, in case we are confused by association by those who are less geographically knowledgeable.
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subrosa,

13/04/2008 01:12:25
Wasn't it supposed to be Tartan Day not week? Suddenly it's become a week.

'Speaking anonymously, several organisers in the city complained they were cut out of the loop'

If they're not prepared to have themselves named then there's little hope of the Scottish government managing to discuss anything with them.

I heard Eric Milligan and the chap from Tartan Day on BBC radio Scotland speaking to Lesley Riddoch. The whole programme was so negative and purely a 'bash the government' event.

Scotland Week including Tartan Day it is.
6

Hen Mc Stoorie,

Port William 13/04/2008 01:49:37
An exclusive TNS System Three poll has found that 41% of Scots want the SNP government to negotiate an independence settlement, compared to 40% who are opposed to breaking up the UK.
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13/04/2008 01:51:35
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R.I.P. HONEST BALANCED JOURNALISM,

13/04/2008 02:09:00
Well plaid
9

Snuffy Ivy,

Aberdeen 13/04/2008 02:26:00
DO take into account USA Scots including Ex Pats view their Scottish-ness a little differently from the nationalistic parochialism of Alba. Since the event is in New York, the organizers must take into account what the celebration is all about and attempt to create a win-win situation for all involved. In my experience most ex pats are more enthusiastic about Scotland than many national Scots are.
Scotland? Tartan? Haggis & neeps? Shortbreed and a wee dram doon oor wye?...fit's the problem here? Celebrate the damned thing and get on with it!
10

Willie Macleod,

Wick 13/04/2008 03:34:14
#7 Hen These thoughts you are having about rounding people up and killing them just because a newspaper columnist says something that you disagree with What kind of state will you be in if in a Referenum the Scottish people reject Independence
11

Abel Magwitch,

13/04/2008 04:14:56
The US press is pretty much devoid of any comment on Tartan Day (week) or Scotland Day (week). Perhaps they are just confused.

Ireland seems to have done well with its image of friendliness coupled with lovable eccentricity, quite at odds with the long history of suffering and bitterness that led up to Irish independance.

Recent events and this discussion itself are projecting the image of Scotland as a bunch of proud and prickly individuals who cannot get their act together.
12

donald,

glasgow 13/04/2008 04:44:02
Headline sounds a bit like Barnes wishful thinking.
13

baffies away,

Tartan week land 13/04/2008 05:13:00
As someone who lives in the US I can see both sides here, the tartan week celebrations are basically run by a bunch of Scottish-wannabees, their image of modern Scotland is odd to say the least. In the hard headed world of finance tartan week is not something taken seriously, if we want to get a fiscal benefit from such an event we have to take it to another level. That said the general perception of Scotland from the every day American has been gleaned from Braveheart and Colin Baxter calendars so, it is hardly surprising that they view things in such a manner.

I think the Scottish Government is going along the right path, I am sure some people will be upset that their cosy tartan clad weekend is disrupted but given the condition and behaviour of some of the 'volunteers' I saw I am not sure they are the right image for Scotland anyway.
14

Encephalon,

13/04/2008 06:13:39
#11 "Recent events and this discussion itself are projecting the image of Scotland as a bunch of proud and prickly individuals who cannot get their act together."


A pretty accurate summation of Scotland's history condensed in one sentence!

As for the story itself-I am an expatriate who deplores the tartan cringe element and I would not be seen dead in a kilt-despite being of Highland extraction on both sides of the family. I therefore support the Scottish government on this -we need to move away from the tartan and shortbread Hey Jimmy carictature.
15

S'me,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 07:09:15
Arrogant Salmond making a mess as again.
16

A Better Way,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 07:28:29
Thats the problem with expats. They keep thinking Scotland is Andy Stewart and Harry Lauder. We are turning into a successful modern country, which is gaining confidence everyday day. Just look at the difference between house price falling in England and compare it to Scotland. The 25,000 houses planning permission, the Investment by Trump of one thirtieth of Scotlands entire pocketmoney from Westminster. Whisky still employs 69,000 Scots and when brought under the control of an Independant Government, will see a reduction in its tax rates. Our country is self sufficient in food, or will return to that when we tell the EU to butt out. Our fishing Industry will soon be run by a Scottish Government and No others will fish it, except Scottish Fishermen. The Profits will come back to Scotland, not to some foreign fishing fleet who doesnt provide jobs for Scots. And our Oil Industry has another 30 years if we dont include the already huge potential out around Rockall which will fall into our new 390 miles of terratorial waters. I certainly hope the US keeps up the faith with Scotland, but I also support creating closer ties with Russia and China. Both have huge potential exports opportunities for our Homeland.
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GrahamH,

Edinburgh 13/04/2008 07:42:47
What insecurity shown be so many!

If we have confidence in ourselves and are looking for tourists to come for our tartan image, we should be looking to promote that image and then they will see when they get here with their dollars what Scotland really is about.

Whoever visited a country in any numbers, bringing money in, because it was branded as progressive and forward facing?

Lapland makes a fortune from having organised Santa Claus trips - but the secret is that they don't have to believe their is a Santa Claus!
18

donald,

glasgow 13/04/2008 08:26:49
More muck from the Barnes.
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13/04/2008 08:36:14
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Liberal for life,

Dunblane 13/04/2008 09:07:04
Go on Alex, tell the yanks where to get off just like you told Donald T.!

Watch him crumble on this one as well - "hard-headed" focus - you must be joking. Salmond blows with the wind as he tries to win whatever popularity contest he thinks of jumping onboard next. The man is ultimately so inconsistent that he is unreliable and therefore cannot be trusted with the long term future of our part of this wee island.
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Heilan laddie,

13/04/2008 09:24:39
The trouble is, most Americans of Scottish extraction are more patriotic than we are. At least the ones I met when I lived there were. Most of them have never been to Scotland and want to beleive that we are still an un spoiled country and nation where people still live in Crofts in the Highlands and work the land.
I think its time for the shortbread tin image to go. The image of Harry Lauder and Andy Stewart has to go.
I do think people have the right to cringe though.
Its a bit like us inviting American country music lovers over to Scotland to watch a Sydney Divine show, I mean would'nt you want to cringe at that?
22

McMillar,

Fife 13/04/2008 09:36:55
Interesting article…I have been lucky enough to attend many international events over the years and countries are usually known by just 2-3 key areas. In our case we are fortunate that we have tartan, whisky and golf. 90% of the world probably think that’s as far as it goes. Of course it’s simplistic and there’s much more out there but as far as international images go, these are great. No point in getting hung up on this and we should enjoy the fact that these are known everywhere. If people like the image they will come and enjoy Scotland.
23

McX,

13/04/2008 10:06:16
How do we actually celebrate Tartan?


Do we get kitted out in, let's face it the hugely expensive 16 oz togs that supports our textile industry, or do we opt for the cheaper made in Pakistan polyfluouroplasticide natural look available on ebay from £9.99 inc p&p from Lahore?
24

Heilan laddie,

13/04/2008 10:10:43
McX- I think I will stick to watching Sydney Devine.
25

McX,

13/04/2008 10:29:04
#24 Nobody puts Steak 'n' Kidney in the corner.
26

Sally Kent,

13/04/2008 10:36:21
Did Eddie get paid for this? Pathetic.
27

ochone,

Sauchie, clack's 13/04/2008 11:44:25
This isn't a story, it's just all smoke and mirrors.

No names given, and an organisation that is'believed' to be upset.

Proof please Eddie and fellow travelors.
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MtnKat,

13/04/2008 13:04:52
17 GrahamH
This is the first time I've been in agreement with you.
"Whoever visited a country in any numbers, bringing money in, because it was branded as progressive and forward facing?"

Is Hawaii nothing but Hula dancers and leis?
Is Ireland nothing more than little men dressed in green wearing funny hats?
Is Scotland nothing more than kilts and shortbread?
Is Canada nothing more than Mounties?
Is Mexico nothing more than somberos and tequila?

Do these things bring in tourist revenue?
Are they emphasized as a hook to get you there and discover the other wonders they have to offer?
Does it work?

29

MtnKat,

13/04/2008 13:07:37
28 FFS

Don't be naive. An independent Scotland will still need tourism revenue.
30

subrosa,

13/04/2008 13:13:34
#29 'Do these things bring in tourist revenue?
Are they emphasized as a hook to get you there and discover the other wonders they have to offer?
Does it work?'

Yes

31

Miss Pixie,

formerly of Dinleyhaughfoot Cottage, Roxburghshire 13/04/2008 13:56:24
Before I moved to Scotland I was a Scottish wannabe. I belonged to two Scottish clubs in NYC and did the tartan- haggis-bagpipe-thing. Once I was actually living in Scotland I dropped all that and just got on with things. Real Scottish-ness is not about tartan, haggis or bagpipes although they do fit into the broader picture.

I rarely heard the pipes (except for busking on the Royal Mile, or at weddings and funerals), never came across tartan clad Bravehearts (except along Princes Street or at weddings) and although I do like haggis I rarely ate it (one of the best haggis makers is from Grieves in Hawick where I lived).

An average day for my hill farming neighbors meant long days tending sheep wearing old clothes, lambing season, tail docking and castration time, shearing in the summertime, going to and from the auction markets to buy and sell sheep and cattle. Things go by the season each day and sometimes all night.

Owning a clothes dryer:WHAT CLOTHES DRYER?! When wash day comes the wet clothes go outside on the line. It is a compliment for people to remark "She hangs a good line." On dreich days the laundery is hoisted up to the kitchen ceiling on an air dryer. Waste not, want not.

I joined the Women's Rural to get to know my busy female neighbors and learn more about what is important to them: charity work mostly or organizing events.

The lack of pretentious-ness is remarkable. I think it is because life is led in an honest way. The farming community is just too busy to be any other way. The merchants with small businesses (butcher, fish monger, green grocer, tackle shops, sporting goods purveyors, etc) take the time to serve you. No one is in a big hurry.

There isn't a lot of extra cash to throw away on frivolities (like clothes driers) hencethe "frugal Scotsman" myth is established. I found everyone to be very hospitable and generous with their time and money when neccessary and quick scorn to those who fell out of line.

Tartan Week or S
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Miss Pixie,

formerly of Dinleyhaughfoot Cottage, Roxburghshire 13/04/2008 14:06:00
Hey! Someone cut me off!As I was saying...

Tartan week or Scotland Week, take your pick. Guess what?ROMANCE SELLS! An average Scottish day working hard to make ends meet is NOT romantic. Yet again the Scottish Government throws a spanner in by nit-picking. Get on with it! There is everything to gain! Any travellers lured by the 'romance' can make up their own minds while spending their money enjoying their visit.
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East of the Hebrides,

Pennsylvania 13/04/2008 15:04:09
Funding for the Tartan Day Parade?? What funding? Having been the Announcer of the Tartan Parade for the last five years, I read in amazement of any financial involvement in the actual parade by Scotland. As with all the pipebands, fraternal organizations, kennel clubs, football fans, theatrical groups, highland dance schools, re-enactors, etc. who march at their own expense, I too pay my own way and I know of no one who receives compensation. We are volunteers and participants who go to New York because we want to celebrate Scotland. Like everyone involved on the ground, I pay my own travel expenses and buy my own meals and have announced the parade in the rain, snow, sleet and sun that we have had over the years for no more than a thank you. Your politicians come to New York at least a week ahead of the parade to meet and greet and perhaps press Scotland's business. Is this where your taxpayer money is being spent? Is it for their airfares, hotels, meals, cocktail parties, presentations, etc? Their involvement in the ten block march up 6th Avenue serves nothing more than a chance for them to wave to a mostly mystiied public, lining the street who are treated to dozens of pipers and flag waving marchers and do not know them for all their chains and ornaments. If they want to march, it should cost nothing and if they are being paid, which I hope they are not, it would be wrong and insulting to the rest us. The parade perhaps is seen as the culmination of a week of event by your readers and they might and should wonder why they are putting any money into something in another country such as a parade. But are they really? What money comes from Scotland to stage the parade? What money is "assigned the blame of the parade" but goes everything else your politicans enjoy? The actual parade has nothing to do with those events any more than do the parties at the various pubs afterwards. I think your responsibility in reporting is to produce the breakdown of the money bei
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East of the Hebrides,

Pennsylvania 13/04/2008 15:17:49
(and to finish the sentence)

I think your responsibilty in reporting is to produce the breakdown of the money being spent. My guess is that Scotland isn't paying for the parade.
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Haggishead,

West of Edinburgh 13/04/2008 16:43:12
# No.34 I quite agree many Americans are proud of their heritage whether it the Scots, Irish or Germans. Maybe more so than the one left behind in Europe, it's not the people on the ground ie the volunteers that's complaining but no doubt the rich middle class that want to be richer at some other's expense
36

Eilidh007,

Connecticut, USA 13/04/2008 17:17:18
#16 "...hope the US keeps up the faith with Scotland...." Let me point out, that we ARE Scotland, as well as those of you who are fortunate enough to live there. We go to New York City at our own expense, march in all weathers, and do it because we want folks to notice Scotland, her traditions and her people. We are proud, and happy, with who we are. Our families came to the US for many reasons: we were transported, escaped persecution, and/or hoped for betterment in jobs and living conditions. We were more or less successful. But, we remain Scots.

And, just as an aside, RBS seems to be content to develop business in the US, and not in Russia or China, at least not as yet......
37

Orkney John,

USA 13/04/2008 17:47:15
What surprises me is that anyone is surprised. As a second generation American who only became aware of my Scottish ancestry at the age of twelve, it has taken me a while to research and understand the issues relating to Scotland, Clans, Tartans and empires/empire builders.

I have pieced together through what information available to me here in the States the history of the Clans and the problems between Scotland, Ireland and England. The conclusion I have drawn is that governments want us to swear loyalty and fealty to governments while the Clans stood for faith to ideals and standards.

Why would it surprise anyone that those who seek political power and become active in higher levels of government would then discard the very ideals that made them a what they were?

Those who seek power give up adherence to principles and those who adhere to principles do not seek power. They understand freedom as only a free man can.
38

Western Gael,

13/04/2008 18:10:42
It seems that there is enough blame to go around to all the parties that seem capable of ruining a two-car funeral.
39

Lanna,

13/04/2008 18:14:56
#17/#29
right, the hook is needed, and it works. People will see what they want to see; hopefully, they'll get past the hook and see how dynamic a place it really is.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 18:29:06
Between Eddie & Murdo I can't quite figure out which one is Waldorf and which one is Statler.
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subrosa,

13/04/2008 22:55:57
# 35

The person responsible for the organisation of Tartan Day was on BBC radio Scotland (with Lesley Riddoch) complaining his funding had been cut. So someone somewhere gets money although I doubt if any Scot would think it would be the likes of yourself. You, and many like you, do such things for the love of it. Don't think you're not appreciated farther than New York.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 13/04/2008 23:26:33
The Scottish Societies in Alabama are most welcoming towards a native Scot. They are a bit shortbread tin though. But so what? Gently does it to change the image a tad. Having said that you will never change the welcoming effect of being piped in.

Children, please do not try this in Afghanastan.
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The Canadian,

14/04/2008 16:36:11
It seems that Scottish people in Scotland are now so English that anything to do with Scotland and Scottish Culture gives them, what is called the Scottish Cringe.

Tartan in itself is not important neither is whisky or shortbread. Goodness, if these items cause a cringe then maybe you should stick with Shakespeare after all.

So what are the things other than English that makes a Scotsman, Scottish.

 

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