Hardly destroyed, just brought up to date. I am sure that there were many Royal Charters that allowed landowners the sole pleasure of hunting and fishing and hanging anyone that got in their way. I would believe that they would have been adjusted to meet modern conditions. Maybe not.

For $21.00 a year for a license I fish an area as big as Europe. The fish are a natural resource of all the people. Brought up to date? I hardly think so.

It's time that all Scottish rivers and waters were brought back under the control of the Scottish people, and that we were all given the right to fish in any river or water.

What right does any group or landowner have to control the fish? The people have the right, the toffs and the so-called landed gentry do not. We neither need, nor want, medieaval, anglicised control over our fisheries.

Gaga,

You really are a prime eejit. No wonder you are so short with that chip on your shoulder!

This is a clear case of local peoples rights being usurped by this Quango.

Who is going to be the steward of the lands? The gentry were supposed to take care of it for the nobility of long ago. My clan is of the Morrey tribe and fished back when there were only the Irish kings who were living off the toil of the masses. I think the fisheries need to be open to all Scots and cared for by all Scots.

I agree with Guga, it is about time Scottish rivers were brought under the control of a recreational board with constant restocking of the lochs and rivers and a single licence to fish the lot. What am I saying, this is what happens in Tasmania. Great fishing Jimmy. Is there any good fishing in Rockall. I accept that it is only a rumour that he goes there for his summer holidays.

Rockall is stepped in history. In legend, it is the last remnant of Brazil.

Irish reckon it was created from a pebble thrown from the north coast of the emerald isle. What it actually is is an extinct volcano.

http://www.therockalltimes.co.uk/rockall/picture-gallery....

I'm no angler and I'm not much of a fish eater ... so I've no personal stake in this ... but I do agree with Guga #4.

Bodies of water need to be managed - it's all very well saying everyone has the right to fish this that and the other but what you'll end up wit his a lot of empty rivers.

#12 Nick. You agree then. Managed by the people, for the people, not privately owned and controlled.

The real problem seems to be ripping fish illegally, not Bervie's ancient rights. If locals *anywhere* care enough about their fishing rights, they should look after their own, find the culprits, and end this destructive practice. And anyway, sinking lead into the water isn't very clever.

On the point of "ownership" and managment, I'm with Guga.

-mu

If you give free use, most people would be responsible fishers. You always get the element of those who go over the top for greed\money, so regulation is to stop these people forom spoiling it for all.

A resident of Alaska, or any other American state, can buy a $20 permit that allows him or her to fish for wild salmon any day of the week. They also stand to catch King salmon weighing up to 100 lbs - though the average is 2--30lbs.

A native resident in the Borders cannot fish the Tweed for salmon unless he pays £400 - a day on average - or even £4,000 a week at Kelso.

He cannot fish the tidal waters of the Tweed where the salmon lie in saltwater as far upstream as Norham. He cannot fish from the public common land at Coldstream - even though the bank is owned by 'the people'.

And its nice to know that 'Tweed Forum' - a front for the aristocracy and salmon interests has received an average £35 MILLION a year to 'develop the river' over the last 8 years.

So that's alright then?

#16 - Aye toff support plans so as rich toffs can ramp up the cost of a days fishing and get the "plebs" of the water.

The fact is a lot of the tweed is up for sale. Would this mean the owner pays back 35 million?

The duke of roxburghes support plan.... I notice he doesnt pay much into the kitty. But is more than happy to earn earn earn from it. The folk of bervie are right. I dont agree with the method as it is dangerous and harmful. But I do agree that the rivers should be returned to the scottish people and not the few who raped our country 300 years ago.

I was sure the law covered all scots rivers. That each scot was allowed to take 1 fish for the table.

#4 Guga II and #11 Boy Wonder

The original charter was signed by King David II whom I believe was Scots.

So why is all this talk about the "anglicised control" over fishing"?

When did anglicisation enter into the equation?

Several reasons Tim. We do not have a Scots monarchy anymore and things really changed when they coronated a German in 1952.

I agree with Guga.

I also agree with Guga. 'Owning' a river is like 'owning' the rain!

Power to the people!

YO, TIM..You still up in Graft Land?...Thought you were of getting your Transmission Changed...Had 2nd Thoughts ..Huh..
The Land Without Sun..Seems more like a Banana Republic..Than part of Europe..Can any Citizen actually own anything over there? Or is it all some kind of Tennant Lease? (Tennant/Peon)
GUGA, m'man...Time for you to get of your Lardy Butt and lead the Masses..A new Political Party in Scotty Land..The 21st Century Party (T21CP)..Kick Ass, Give back to the People.."Hope Never Dies"
Scary Thought for the Fish...Dry Fly, or Wet.... Anyone!!!..NO..Geez..
Australia is of to a new Airline..LARDAIRE..Going to the Extreme for the CHUNKIES
Floss Up..Think Thin..Shalom.

More than legend, it's geo-logic fact the the Burgh of Rockall and all it's fishing is part and party to Blue Brazil. The Pictish Navy outposted in Bahia is creating a sensational trimaran strike force. We fully intend to land a women on the famous rock during year of 2008.

Sex, salsa ya gannet! We reclaim our ancestral, inalieanable rights!

Its good enough for the Scots! We are only English slaves anyway.

27 - like Luxembourg which has the highest standard of living in Europe ?

If this goes ahead the folk of Inverbervie will have to go cap in hand to Stonehaven to be allowed to fish their own river.
Never mind, it'll keep some bureaucrat occupied.

16 - it was the Labour government of 1977 which brought that state of affairs about.