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Afghan war unwinnable, says UK commander



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Published Date: 05 October 2008
THE war against the Taliban cannot be won and the country should prepare for a deal, Britain's most senior military commander in Afghanistan warned last night.
Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith, commander of 16 Air Assault Brigade, said it was necessary to "lower our expectations". He added that the challenge was about reducing the conflict to a manageable level of insurgency that is not a strategic threat and
can be managed by the Afghan army.

Carleton-Smith's bleak assessment followed the leak of a memo from a diplomat who claimed that the British ambassador in Kabul had told him the current strategy was "doomed to fail".

The Brigadier told a newspaper: "We may well leave with there still being a low but steady ebb of rural insurgency… I don't think we should expect that when we go there won't be roaming bands of armed men in this part of the world. That would be unrealistic and probably incredible."

Carleton-Smith said the sting had been taken out of the Taliban this year, but pointed out his brigade had suffered heavy losses with 32 dead and 170 injured.

He said: "We want to change the nature of the debate from one where disputes are settled through the barrel of the gun to one where it is done through negotiations.

"If the Taliban were prepared to sit on the other side of the table and talk about a political settlement, then that's precisely the sort of progress that concludes insurgencies like this."

Last week Gulab Mangal, the governor of Helmand, said the Taliban controlled more than half the province.



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  • Last Updated: 05 October 2008 12:35 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
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1

drunken proffet,

Tassy 05/10/2008 01:06:11
I believe the guy. It is a muslim country and Christians have no business being there in the first place. A bit like the UK from a different perspective.
2

Jason,

Japan 05/10/2008 01:51:32
"32 dead and 170 injured" Heavy losses? Over what period? Sounds like run-of-the-mill, average day collateral damage for Afghan civilians.
3

Postmark-55,

China, 05/10/2008 04:24:33
It's only because of the Yanks that you guys are there in the first place and other than Afghanis, nobody has any business being there.
The Yanks don't give a rat's ass about how many of your troops you lose, they just don't want to lose face yet again but will continue to do so anyways.
Pull out now and let the Yanks deal with the mess they created.
4

Guga II,

Rockall 05/10/2008 06:30:26
The troops are only there to help the war criminal Bush and his business buddies protect their precious oil pipeline.

If they had bothered to have a look at some history, they would have seen that they can never win in Afghanistan. The English have tried it before too, and failed.
5

billengland,

05/10/2008 08:47:04
4 Guga II

Spot on.

It has been known from the beginning that it was unwinnable.

Bliar sent the troops there to earn brownie points with Bushco for his retirement plan.

Bring our troops home and put the criminals who sent them there in the dock.
6

Boy Wonder,

05/10/2008 10:04:35
Alexander the Great couldn't win in Afghanistan ... neither could the British Imperial Forces ... or the Russians in the 80s. We never had any chance.

All we can really do is arm the pro-Western forces better!
7

billengland,

05/10/2008 10:18:35
6 Boy Wonder

"All we can really do is arm the pro-Western forces better!"

And who might they be? Israel, Georgia, who else?
8

Postmark-55,

China, 05/10/2008 10:59:56
#6 Boy Wonder,
It has nothing to do who is better armed, but rather to do with attitude, and you can't beat them because you don't understand their attitude.
There are no pro-western forces within Afghanistan, they will continue to collect pay-cheques from western forces and go back to what they were doing as soon as the west pulls the pin. It's a game they are far better at than the west and they will always come out on top.
9

cramond1,

The Reform Club Pall Mall 05/10/2008 12:19:45
Well that does it for me, Ambassador Sir Sherard Cowper-Coles and now Brigadier Mark Carleton-Smith have both effectively said we've LOST, so who am I to disagree?
6 Boy Wonder: "All we can really do is arm the pro-Western forces better!"
One might ask why? We've stirred things up enough already.

7 billengland: "And who might they be? Israel, Georgia, who else?"
Unfortunately Taiwan, who have just agreed to spend 6.5 big ones on arms. The trouble is 'we' are not selling them anything, it's the neocons in Washington who have managed to gain their trust and convince them that the USA are their allies, as if they are the same Americans who beat the Japanese.

So let's get out now. It's obvious that the British people are against the "war" in Afghanistan, and always have been. Maybe it's an opportunity to train soldiers for ... similar futile invasions, or to boast about our lads being better than the Yanks. Some say it's for oil, or American hegemony, or to contain China. These are not valid reasons for us to send thousands of troops there. Britain is not at war with Afghanistan, nor with the Taliban. How much does a pair of army boots cost? A new tank track? Calling up an American mass murdering bomber? Nazi Germany had a highly efficient bureaucracy, with reasons for every act they committed. This did not make any of them legitimate.

Afghanistan and its people, its refugees, are suffering. We've had universal suffrage since 1884. Why do we allow ourselves to become complicit in this senseless war, soon, horrifically, to be taken to Pakistan, and Iran? Close the DAMNED WARMONGERS’ "theatre" down and pillory their sick, depraved audience.
10

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 05/10/2008 13:08:07
# 8 Postmark 55, China

What ARE you blathering on about? You are all over the place and I have reread your post and STILL don't know what your stance is. And do NOT tell me because I am stupid or your position is too subtle for most.

I have heard of the inscrutable East and been in Beijing and northern China twice but your posting defies description.

Afghanistan has been a murderous and contentious area for centuries and I don't see any solution soon.

Canada, as a member of NATO, has spent over $22 billion on this useless exercise and lost almost 100 loyal and brave soldiers.

We should get out now and let the Afghans sort out their own quagmire of tribal warfare and murderous political stances.
11

Ribbonman,

Glasgow (east) 05/10/2008 16:19:41
I remember the very same comment being made in relation to their occupation of the north east of Ireland,and they were absolutely correct,as a former commander of the Irish republican army in Derry is now deputy first minister in the six county assembly.
12

57Nomad,

california 05/10/2008 20:56:11
#9 cramdom

cramdom:

"Close the DAMNED WARMONGERS’ "theatre" down and pillory their sick, depraved audience."

That's what we're trying to do. Men trained in Afghanistan under the protection and sponsorship of the Taleban government of Afghanistan hijacked four American airliners and flew them into both of the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon. Once the passengers in the forth plane found out what was going on they battled with the hijackers to the extent that the plane was flown into the ground and even though they prevented it from being flown into the Capitol building or the White House, all on board were lost. Many subscribe to the notion that that constitutes an attack on the US and we reserve the right to defend ourselves.


Men trained in these camps have been infiltrated into the Muslim communities of Europe. They are going to hit Europe again, I expect, sometime soon. I don't think there's anything coming at the US for sometime because according to bin Laden, they expected our response was going to be to shoot some cruise missiles at them and call it even. They never dreamed of the response they got. That will not cause them not to try, but they aren't in any hurry because they have easier pickings in Europe.

That's not saying the Europe doesn't have the means or the will to defend itself, it's that it is in a more vulnerable position. I believe that Europe imports oil that must navigate the Straits of Hormuz, the Russians could get cranky with the natural gas, but the biggest reason is that there is no 3000 mile wide ocean to cross. They have well established cells within all of the cities in Europe that have a Muslim Quarter. They are just waiting. Many of them will have been trained in Afghanistan. They could walk to Paris. And, blend in better.

13

Dragonhead,

Dalian,China 06/10/2008 04:05:07
#12 Nomad57,California. Quite right! The usual 'small picture' whingers are in full flight as usual.That is what they will be given half a chance.
Your comments on the next major muslim extremist atrocity will surely be carried out in a country such as UK.The targets are many and varied. The infrastructer is already in place.The borders are so porous as to be a waste of time.
There are still many in the UK and elsewhere who are totally in denial that this is not a localized campaign but a world one.One from which failure in the west doesn't bear thinking about.Leaving Afghanistan will do little for the west,other than make the terrorists job easier.It would be a huge boost to the Islamic extremists in their quest for world domination. Remember Reds under the bed? Well who you should be looking for are there already. Wake up numpties!
14

cramond1,

same 06/10/2008 15:52:44
12 & 13. You offer no solution, but apparently believe that pulling out is a weakness, ignoring British advice on the ground and the common sense of millions of sensible people. It seems that you want the war to pass to Europe/UK, possibly so you can add gloat to insult. How can you support the slaughter and destabilazation brought about by the USA in West Asia? I can't believe you've read anything other than MSM American sponsored propaganda and I suspect you have a poor grasp of the history ang geography of the area. THe British People (a democracy) don't want your war. There is no evidence that paramilitary training in Afghanistan and countless other places worldwide including AMerica and Europe was responsible for 911. It required the piloting of planes not silly, preposterous lies about so called Islamic ideals. America is the rogue superpower, now, your notions, I guess, of Caliphates and the rest are almost certainly bunk. You dress up your own extreme ideas as civilised. You don't understand civilisation, and its ideals of hope, forbearance, neighbourliness and love etc involved. I find it hard to believe you're serious.

 

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