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'Joyless box-ticking' – capital's new buildings

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Published Date: 02 November 2009
ONE of Scotland's leading architects will this week lead an outspoken attack on the quality of new buildings being created and pursued in the capital over the last ten years.
Malcolm Fraser will warn a "box-ticking" culture has already left the city saddled with a legacy of "joyless" architecture.

The architect behind award-winning Edinburgh buildings like Dance Base, the Scottish Storytelling Centre and the Scottish P
oetry Library will warn that a "toxic" atmosphere over major developments has led to the failure of projects across the city.

And he will call for the city to bring an end to a relentless "slug-out" between developers and heritage campaigners by instigating major design competitions for key regeneration sites.

His intervention has come just days after the rejection of a 17-storey hotel development in the Haymarket area by the Scottish Government triggered a major debate over the future development prospects in the city.

Mr Fraser – whose practice was also behind the refurbishment of the HBOS building on The Mound and the transformation of the old Infirmary Street baths into an arts centre – is expected to criticise a host of new buildings at Thursday night's lecture at Edinburgh University's new Informatics Building.

These include the new Holiday Inn and Smart City hostel in the city's Cowgate, the Radisson Hotel on the Royal Mile, and the towering hotel at Haymarket.

Mr Fraser will also declare that major mistakes were made over the controversial Caltongate development by trying "to be all things to all people". And he will mount an attack on the "thoughtless" development of Edinburgh's waterfront for ignoring long-established urban design traditions.

The developers behind Caltongate blamed delays in the planning system for the demise of their scheme earlier this year due to funding problems, while the Haymarket hotel project was called in by the Scottish Government after an outcry from heritage bodies and local residents.

A revamp of a former Odeon cinema has also been stalled while no new buildings have been created on Princes Street for more than five years.

Mr Fraser will say: "Given that the renewal of Edinburgh is the essence of 'sustainable development', and that Scotland's economy is hugely dependent on the robust health of the city, the current impasse disgraces us.

"Often it is the relentless, numbing, self-defeating slug-out between elements of the heritage and development lobbies, that brings with it dereliction.

"Recent developments are joyless exercises in box-ticking, the product of a culture that relies on entrenched interest groups reluctantly approving the mediocre. The toxic atmosphere encourages people wanting to invest in the most historic parts of Edinburgh to follow the path of least resistance, to produce schemes of timidity and aridity in an attempt to avoid getting anyone cross.

"(Design competitions] might achieve results which are fresh, and surprising, and achieved through passionate debate rather than pyrrhic battle."






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  • Last Updated: 01 November 2009 9:53 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/11/2009 01:21:35

I must say other than the Scottish Houses of Parliament, we have no new outstanding architecture, just boring steel and glass buildings, that woud have been built better by a 10year old and his or her Lego Set.


2

Buttress,

02/11/2009 01:32:46
Hasn't UNESCO already suggested competitions as the way forward? And that allowing architects to 'masterplan' possibly isn't the best method for the way ahead? So not a startling new idea then?

Malcolm Fraser June 2008

'In the past stewardship and strategy were the role of the traditional Planning system, historically based on the concept of "amenity". Usually traditional Planners get poor press; but my recent experience of them in Edinburgh, picking their way sure-footedly through the maelstrom of the "Caltongate" process, has left me with great respect for what they can achieve when they are properly-resourced and concentrate on their statutory role...'

That's this Caltongate

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/edinburgh/300m-Caltongate-vision-dubbed-grotesque.3288126.jp

'NEW city council leader Jenny Dawe today branded designs for a landmark building in the Caltongate development "grotesque and hideous", raising further questions about the future of the £300 million project.
The Liberal Democrat suggested the designs drawn up by one of Scotland's leading architects, Malcolm Fraser, for the Old Town site were completely out of keeping with the area...'

and this one?

'Mr Fraser will also declare that major mistakes were made over the controversial Caltongate development by trying "to be all things to all people".'


Malcolm Fraser again

'... the Heritage Lobby: a diverse bunch, ranging from an increasingly-surefooted Historic Scotland through to the toxic wing, led by a desurgent Cockburn Association. There are significant sections of the lobby that forget that it is architects and master-masons and not them that have led the conception and adornment of this breathtaking city... and believe that design leadership is now somehow theirs...'

Indeed. That's the desurgent Cockburn Association which has just fought and won a major public inquiry into the Richard Murphy Haymarket Tower.

The EEN October 28th

'Edinburgh Central MSP Sarah
3

Buttress,

02/11/2009 01:33:50
cont

Sarah Boyack, who had supported local objectors, said: "At 17 storeys, the building would have completely dominated the skyline, detracting from some of the city's greatest views across the Old Town to the Castle and the spires of St Mary's. Not only that, the development would have been at complete odds with the surrounding buildings.'

WHAT the Scottish Government planning reporters said: "The five-star hotel building would rise above the height of the surrounding buildings and impact on key views of St Mary's Cathedral spires and Castle Rock.

"Although a landmark, it would not enhance the skyline.

"The impact on the city skyline would not preserve the setting of the World Heritage Site or prominent listed buildings which are landmark features within it."


Malcolm Fraser June 2008

'We also need to rid ourselves of our planning obsession with what things look like, and care instead about how they work...'



So, Malcolm Fraser the great self-publicist has released to the press the main points of his talk in advance? Right, no need to listen to the rest, it's going to be the same old obsession with Ian Begg, a bit of rabble rousing regarding 'heritage groups'and life will carry on as before.

(His 'intervention' surely has been planned for a while, before the Haymarket result, but the Scotsman as usual gets it wrong.)
4

Buttress,

02/11/2009 02:24:35
Also - can the Scotsman stop repeating the claim about Caltongate and supposed 'planning delays? There were none.

Not sure who it was trying to be all things to, either; there were many it certainly didn't please, whose views were ignored. That should have been called in.

The Odeon cinema wasn't a revamp, it was proposed demolition of the auditorium, against national policy for listed buildings, and that's still ongoing until the results of the inquiry are known.

5

sjs,

Haddington 02/11/2009 02:40:58
Award winning? The Scottish Story-Telling Whatever is a complete disgrace. A hideous hunk of modernity sitting smack-bang adjacent to one of Edinburgh's few surviving medieval tenements (John Knox's House). Fraser's box architecture is vile. And it is studded with the vandalised trophies of an even greater loss: the date-stone from the Netherbow Port and it's old bell. What a joke Edinburgh has become indeed. Oh and I quite like the building on the Cowgate, I think it's better than anything modern I've seen his architects throw up...
6

Buttress,

02/11/2009 08:12:32
All architects are 'award winning' of course. They give them to each other so they can be called 'award winning'.
7

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 08:23:02

Awarding winning at #bluster. You win the prize
8

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 08:23:23

Nae bother
9

Buttress,

02/11/2009 08:29:52
Ggordon likes to waste column space with pointles stuff, nothing to do with the story. Best ignored.
10

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/11/2009 09:00:30
I do wish you would stop copying and pasting, Buttress. It's perfectly possible to give your opinions without doing so.

Malcolm Fraser is saying what a lot of other people are saying - including me. Joyless box-ticking is a very good description, and it is ironic that those who see themselves as fighting for Edinburgh are actually ending up saddling us with worse architecture than we would have had had they not weighed in.
11

Buttress,

02/11/2009 09:07:55
Duncan, only here for the argument as ever. ;-)

Indeed; all those 'award winning' buildings by Malcolm Fraser could have been stopped you mean?


There's little logic to your arguments Dinkie.


Maybe Edinburgh will end up with something better than the Haymarket Tower, now that those 'fighting for Edinburgh' have weighed in and had it stopped.

Anyhow Dunkie, no doubt there's a tram thread somehwere you can deploy your skills on...

12

Buttress,

02/11/2009 09:11:14
Here's one for Dunkie (sorry called you Dinkie, slip of the finger):

http://www.mindspring.com/~mfpatton/sketch.htm

13

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/11/2009 09:25:22
#11 That shtick really is getting tired. I suppose you are not here for the argument? Of course you are. We are both arguing our cases. Now stop the name calling and grow up.

As you well know, with the Haymarket tower proposal blocked the existing planning consent for a dreadful, box-tick building remains in place. You have already acknowledged that you don't want that to be built. So the question is what would ever satisfy you? Nothing. Your position is a dead end for Edinburgh. Block everything, leave everything, no innovation, no thinking outside the box, dull, dull, dull.
14

Buttress,

02/11/2009 09:43:42
Dunkie, Dunkie - I know the score with you by now.

And actually, the box ticking Haymarket development was one which was passed at a public inquiry, so the case for it must have been a good one?

And the last sentence of yours is inept and inaccurate. :-)

However, if the 'box ticking' is so bad and blocks all 'exciting' development, how has Malcolm Fraser managed to sneak his buildings past the boxes? And the Scottish Parliament building?

15

Buttress,

02/11/2009 09:45:56
Also Dunkie, it's clear you don't have any idea at all if you think the Haymarket development with existing permission, as opposed to the Tiger one, which hasn't, is one building.



16

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/11/2009 10:15:22
#14/15 Yes, some decent buildings do get built. The problem is that far too many indecent ones do. I would far prefer a dangerous, mould-breaking tower rejuvinating a run-down area or two to another stone-and-sheer-glass box. Is that so unreasonable?
17

Buttress,

02/11/2009 10:25:05
Well, it seems that many didn't agree with you, if you mean the Haymarket Tower, including the man who sat and listened to all the evidence. I don't think Malcolm Fraser cared for that either; it would be useful to know what, apart from his own buildings, he does like.

Still, planning is supposedly a democratic process, so you are entitled to 'have your say' about any proposed development.

Why do you like towers then?
18

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 10:41:59
13 Dunc

The only person she has ever agree with apart from herself, is D Trump. Closed down more threads, than she/he/it has hsd hot dinners. Bet they have had a few.

What about The Gerkin, Post Office Tower. New York, Trump Towers, Paris, Effiel Tower, Rome, Singapore, Bar c e L O N A, Dubia etc, etc. All have iconic, tall, buildings. Don't get left behind.
19

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 10:44:04

Had. Edinburgh even has Holyrood Parly. Love or hate still interesting, gets many visitors. Iconic
20

Buttress,

02/11/2009 10:55:18
The usual insight from Ggordon. Best ignored.

21

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 11:00:30

Forgot about Sydney, amazing city, described as 'the 7th wonder of the world'. Interesting buildings.
22

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 11:02:20


8th, 9th

Better, watch Edinburgh doesn't fall behind
23

Buttress,

02/11/2009 11:03:17
Is there some point to your ramblings, Sarah Ma*** sorry Ggordon? Or is it just the usual space filling?
24

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 11:06:54

Pyramids - tall buildings

Grand Canyon

Asian monasteries, Bali, Easter Island

Persia/Jordon

All tall buildings in the world unite, prove some people are not right

Enough off
25

Buttress,

02/11/2009 11:09:17
And your point is?
26

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 11:09:17

Speak about the pot calling the kettle black


Bye Bye birdie (eagle) good bye

Bye bye 'B' don't cry (greeting face)

Offski. Leave you in peace. Alone again naturally!
27

Ggordon,

02/11/2009 11:10:44
25

Tall building can be iconic and very interesting

Progress, on with the New
28

Buttress,

02/11/2009 11:12:00
Well, Duncan and I were having one of our frequent nice cosy chats (he's quite fun really, especially when he writes about trams) until you burst in.

Go on then, go and look for your marbles.



29

Buttress,

02/11/2009 11:12:36
I think Ggordon, you really haven't grasped the plot whatsoever.

30

Buttress,

02/11/2009 11:14:53
However, the Scottish government has just blocked a 17 storey tower at the Haymarket. Following a public inquiry, said it wasn't appropriate in that location. So possibly you better take that one up with the First Minister, rather than ranting uncontrollably here?
31

Buttress,

02/11/2009 11:15:53
Of course, Edinburgh has the castle, which is quite tall and some may claim 'iconic'. It has other tall buildings.
32

BraveLungs,

02/11/2009 16:08:21
I think a lot of the newest buildings in Edinburgh have been quite good actually. I can't think of any particular monstrosities.
I also think some that Edinburgh boasts some very good modern architecture: The Scottish Widows building, Cameron Toll, the new museum to name a few.
33

Buttress,

02/11/2009 16:13:34
I wonder if that is because of, or despite, the 'box ticking'?!
34

Pilrig.,

Livingston 02/11/2009 18:23:27
16 - you are in favour of the 17-storey horrorshow Bat tower in Haymarket ?

Jeezzz....
35

Pilrig.,

Livingston 02/11/2009 18:27:15
I notice there's an article in the days Scotsman aboot the Missoni horrorshow hotel on George IV Bridge. Anyone who thinks this jigsaw effort is an improvement on what was previously there, needs either their eyes tested or their heid examined.
36

Buttress,

02/11/2009 18:41:19
Aye.

37

Buttress,

02/11/2009 19:25:29
For anyone interested in the Haymarket inquiry report, here it are all the docs

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Topics/Built-Environment/planning/decisions-appeals/decisions-appeals/Proposals/NA-EDB-026

Here is the final report

http://www.scotland.gov.uk/Resource/Doc/212607/0088605.pdf

 

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