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The dammed united? Race against time to trace scattered beavers

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Published Date: 07 August 2009
IT'S 400 years since beavers were last seen on the banks of Scotland's lochs and rivers.
But today a £1.8 million plan to reintroduce them to the countryside is in doubt after it emerged that one animal had vanished, two had gone on the run and another had died.

Police are investigating in the first case after wildlife agencies claimed the beaver might have been shot.

Three families of the aquatic mammals were brought from Norway and released at carefully selected sites in Knapdale Forest, Argyll, two months ago as part of the Scottish Beaver Trial.

Launched jointly by Scottish Wildlife Trust (SWT), the Royal Zoological Society of Scotland (RZSS) and Forestry Commission Scotland (FCS), the beavers' fate has been well-monitored.

But shortly after release, a young unnamed male from the Loch Linne family died from unknown causes. Around the same time, Gunn-Rita, the mother of the family released at Creag Mhor, disappeared after unauthorised shooting in the area.

The trial's organisers said that the disappearance of Gunn-Rita seemed to have unsettled the father, Andreas Bjorn, prompting him to leave the loch, abandoning one-year-old Mary Lou.

He was traced, via electronic tracking devices, to a marine farm near Kilmarin. But project officers have yet to catch him.

A spokeswoman for the RZSS said they believed Mary Lou was trying to follow her father's scent, and had been traced to the Crinan Canal before vanishing.

She said, however, that they hoped all would be found safe: "We think that the shooting may have startled the family and caused them to scatter. The one day they were altogether there was the shooting and by the end of the next day they seemed to have vanished. We're hopeful that the female will turn up and given that we know where the male is, we're concentrating our search for the younger female in specific areas."

Critics say beavers could interfere with Scotland's angling industry by building dams and blocking streams. They also claimed that the beavers could bring disease with them.

Donald Linton, chairman of the Argyll mainland branch of the Scottish Crofting Foundation, said: "I am totally against the trial – beavers shouldn't have been introduced into this country, but I would hate it if anyone had tried to shoot them.

"I personally don't think anyone would shoot them – it would probably be someone shooting a deer."

Project manager Simon Jones said: "These are wild animals and we expected some movement which is one of the reasons why they are monitored so closely.

"Field staff and volunteers have been working around the clock in an effort to track the missing beavers.

"We are obviously concerned there could to be a link between (Gunn-Rita's] disappearance and the unauthorised shooting and police have been informed. "

Since the shooting there have been no signals from Gunn-Rita's tracker.

However, despite these setbacks, Allan Bantick, chair of the Scottish Beaver Trial partnership, said that they were happy with the way the project had developed.

"We are thrilled that two families of beavers have settled into their new surroundings so quickly," he said. "I very much hope that the missing female from the third family has not been shot and await the result of the police investigation."


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  • Last Updated: 07 August 2009 12:04 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Beavers
 
1

DialMforMurdoX,

07/08/2009 00:14:50
Utterly pathetic, I hope the twunt whom it appears has killed the beavers gets caught and fully shamed.
2

Fifi la Bonbon,

07/08/2009 00:49:43
Two down, two to go. They shouldn't have let them loose in Scotland, and hopefully the bearded eco-maniacs who want to release wolves, bears and God knows what else - aurochs, probably, and wooly mammoths - will think again.
3

ultravires,

Edinburgh 07/08/2009 01:06:35
so the first to spot someone wearing a fresh beaver hat wins what ?
4

Sandy Sahara,

Desert 07/08/2009 03:27:11
Mary Lou? Are you kidding me? Are these people serious or the sort of saddos that give their cars names as well? Hopefully this is the first (second?) nail in the coffin for the totally stupid, self gratifying idea of reintroducing them. Why don't these sort of people (including the spoled child Paul Lister and the disastrous Scottish National Heritage)leave the countryside to those people who really understand it?
5

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 07/08/2009 03:52:57
Several families of beavers live on the river that runs about 200 yards from my house (not in Scotland). They cause very very substantial damage to trees lining the river, stretching back up to 40 or 50 yards from the river bank. Here, there are natural predators for the beavers (wolves, coyotes, mountain lions, eagles) and they're still thriving. With no predators in Scotland, I wouldn't want to see the state of the loch-side and river-side trees ten years from now. Not a great idea, IMO.
6

Steve Phillips,

Perth 07/08/2009 04:26:56
"wildlife authorities claim they were shot"
Claim???? either it was shot or it wasnt. Have they got the carcass? Or did they interview a beaver that witnessed the event?
Sounds like a beat up to me.
Im all in favour of reintroduction of native animals incidently I just dont like inaccurate statements speculation and sensationalism.
7

Louise R.,

Illinois 07/08/2009 04:47:43
Probably was shot by a gamekeeper or poacher, we are destroying the land, its time for nature and wildlife to
fix it with our help. Leave the beasties alone to do whats best.
8

bus user,

edinburgh 07/08/2009 05:09:38
"Wildlife agencies claim the beaver might have been shot". Evidence please. I claim the beaver mnight not have been shot. Why is their assertion any better than mine? Wild animals are not bound by the aspirations of animal organisations. Maybe he got bored with the tag and found a way of getting rid of it. No story here and yet another example of the new orthodoxy that the environmental lobby has a monoploy on truth.
9

Mad Jock,

Offshore Denmark 07/08/2009 06:20:09
They tried to introduce animals into the "wild", so let them take the same chances that all "wild" animals get.
10

viking nz,

new zealand 07/08/2009 07:17:06
The eco system has changed in scotland , hell we have denuded the place centuries ago what beaver would want to set up here , with scotlands reputation for wildlife. THE WORLD WILDLIFE FUND should fine scotland for genocided to all animals living on these shores , IM NOT KIDDING .
11

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07/08/2009 07:22:36
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12

McNasty,

Edinburgh 07/08/2009 07:34:06
Alas, some do get their kicks by killing every creature that moves. These psycho's should be locked up.
13

Boy Wonder,

07/08/2009 08:18:47
I hope the idiot who did the shooting (whatever he/she thought he/she was shooting at) gets caught and dealt with summarily. In this century, in this country, there is absolutely NO need to shoot animals, except for sport ... and that idea is abhorrent to most of us.

Re-introducing the beavers is fine, I'm all for it ... but I agree that there must be a balance for all wildlife. The beaver needs a natural predator of its own, so that the widespread damage prophesied by some never happens. Man should not be that predator. We are beyond the stage of hunter/gatherers.

Bring back wolves ... and bears!

Maybe then there won't be as many hillwalkers getting lost any more with expensive rescue operations being mounted.

The animals can do fine without us. People will always be the bigger problem!
14

Rabhairt,

Australia 07/08/2009 08:32:15
#2 Fifi la Bongbong
maybe you "should think again" and not the eco maniacs before you post your comments, don't you think mankind has done enough harm to the other creatures that we share this planet with, there is something wonderful about seeing wildlife in it's natural habitat.
15

The Diplomat,

EDINBURGH 07/08/2009 08:40:33
It was the wrong decision to re-introduce them so no surprise that this ill-thought out scheme is hitting the buffers. I also hear that 5 of the beavers died in quarantine - why have SNH and others kept that one quiet?

The project team are adopting the RSPB approach: the species are missing so someone must have taken/killed/poisoned them.
16

John JP,

07/08/2009 08:49:07
Beavers died out many years ago and should not be reintroduced as they will damage our fragile environment. I like many others are very happy with our Scottish countryside. What next, one of the do gooders releasing bears or wolves to create a safari park for the uber rich. Unless the beavers can be trained to do something useful e.g. Knawing and eating the pest that was introduced into our country i.e. Japanese Knotweed then leave them in the countries where they belong.
17

DialMforMurdoX,

07/08/2009 09:03:48
'16 "they will damage our fragile environment"

What like strip mining?

I note that the more dribbling respondents naturally come out in favour of killing Beavers. Amazing what a little disinformation will do.

At least nobody has rolled out the "They'll eat all our fish" line...so far.
18

joppie joppie,

Everywhere 07/08/2009 09:04:20
#4 that won't be anybody from the human race then seeing we have managed to pollute our rivers, pollute our air, poison our land etc etc etc. Yes people really know what they are doing!
19

dyon gollins's back,

Den Haag 07/08/2009 09:11:15
Can someone please explain why exactly we need beavers in Scotland - is this the chain-saw substitution policy or something??
20

Gordon Smiths 364,

07/08/2009 09:27:34
Maybe one of the "big" cats got them, or, my family are on holiday not far from Crinan canal and they have reported sightings of a Davey Crocket type guy roaming the area?

Allan Bantick, chair of the Scottish Beaver Trial partnership, said,
"We are thrilled that two families of beavers have settled into their new surroundings so quickly,"
Err? no they haven't they have left the area, thats what the article was all about!
21

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07/08/2009 09:30:58
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22

The Ayrshire Bard,

07/08/2009 09:47:32
Think rabbits and mice in Australia. Think grey squirrels in Bitain. Think beavers in Scotland.
23

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 09:50:43
... think total tw*ts in Ayrshire (No. 22).
24

New kid on the blog,

Borders 07/08/2009 10:04:25
23. WELL SAID.

21.CHEAP JIBE AT A TROUBLED WOMAN.

WHAT A RAT!
25

Geoff,

sa 07/08/2009 10:30:11
22 Ayrshire Bard-the comparison with Aus rabbits and mice and grey squirrels in britain is not really valid AB. The beaver is native to Scotland -the other mentioned mammals are aliens in the mentioned countries. Aliens tend to proliferate out of area.
26

Geoff,

sa 07/08/2009 10:35:37
Also with regard to the remark re an absence of predators in Scotland ,predation is not the only factor in population dynamics. Habitat and food source are important if the the most important determinants. What you often find is that predator numbers will recover with the recovery of natural prey. So Golden Eagles and Scottish wildcats would increase in numbers in response to a new food source. Here in urban Durban,numbers of small mammals such as vervet monkeys and Rock hyrax are kept in check by pythons and Crowned Eagles amongst others. The latter have benefitted from the resurgence of small mammal numbers. The natural cycle is partly self regulating.
27

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 07/08/2009 10:41:38
I hope no members of the Royal Family were in the area when shots were heard! Remember Prince Harry and the case of the 'phantom hen harriers of Sandringham? Two conservationists saw in the distance two hen harriers fall from the sky when shots were heard. Police were sent for (again!) but no bodies were found. After lots of interviews (and clucking and screeching from the press), it was discovered that lots of bird watchers had been at the site all day and no hen harriers had been present! Strathclyde Police are suffering tremendous shortfall in funding this year and we have them running around chasing phantom gunshots! Well done SNH, FC(S), SWT, uncle Tom cobblers and all! Another roaring success in job creation!
28

Harbinger,

Searching for Nuts 07/08/2009 10:48:17
400 years down the line the beaver cannot be classed as native to Scotland. It doesn't live there any more. The grey squirrel has been in England for 130 years and is now native, although "conservationists" go in for ethnic cleansing because they don't fit the chocolate box pictures they have, of what our wild life should conform to.
29

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 07/08/2009 10:49:57
#25 Have you one iota of proof that beaver were ever found in the Knapdale part of Scotland? If you have, you should let us know because no one else has! Incidentally, has anyone bothered to check the local drinking water reservoirs above Ardrishaig? If they are wallowing around in there I wouldn't want to be drinking the water!
30

Horrible Cankers @Cyber Shebeen,

07/08/2009 10:50:12
Ah yes....welcome to Scotland..
31

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 11:07:37
No. 29. Your ignorant rantings show no sign of improvement. Do you think the waters above Ardrishaig do not receive the accumulated products of egestion and micturition of countless mammals and birds (including those of less socially responsible people)? The Beavers have at least been passed healthy in quarantine and are free of potential pathogens. Do you imagine all the passing gulls, geese, crows, foxes, and queasy hikers are so well monitored? Think about it the next time you turn on the tap.
32

Alice Cooper,

07/08/2009 11:12:40
hmmm wandering the highlands in search of beaver?,WHOOO HOOOO,as long as you can get beer,but what colour are they,black,blonde,ginger?,well at least mandy wont be seen chasing these beavers lol
33

MyricaGale,

Angus 07/08/2009 11:31:58
I don't see any Climate Change angle on the story.

Surely, there has to be some way of blaming this on Climate Change as almost everything else our media reports on finds a link !!

How about: It wasn't shot - it was killed by a tree exploding as it's sap heated and expanded due to extreme heat because of (TA RA) Climate Change. Yep, that should do it!
34

forestry,

07/08/2009 11:33:36
We dont have enough money for adequate police officers but we can squander £1.8million on re introducing beavers. That said, i am partial to a bit of beaver.
35

Gordon Smiths 364,

Edinburgh 07/08/2009 11:37:49
#24
Get a life, maybe one with a sense of humour, but if you come from the boarders that would explain why you have none of the above. oh and your caps lock is on you buffoon.
36

Geoff,

sa 07/08/2009 11:39:02
28 Harbinger-400 years in ecological and evolutionary terms is but a blink of an eyelid. 130 years is hardly measurable. The changes that natural processes put in place can take from tens of thousands of years upwards. The changes wrought on the planet by cancerous H*mo sapiens will if left unchecked,destroy Earth as we have known it.
"Nature never does anything uselessly" Brutally sometimes yes,but never without purpose. Rebuilding an ecosystem by replacing recently missing parts and controlling our own rampant numbers,is the way forward
37

Guthrie,

Edinburgh 07/08/2009 11:57:14
I seem to have missed something here. Are these beavers going to mutate into 8 foot high man eating beavers of doom? Do they harbour a disease that spreads like the common cold and kills half the people it infects?

No, they're just mammals who used to live here. We wiped them out once, we can wipe them out again if they are a problem. Or you could just allow people to shoot ones which spread beyond designated areas, that way the population is kept under control and the shooting people get to kill something new.
38

ianH,

Balerno 07/08/2009 12:21:50
Unlikely that there ever were any shots, Its just that the people running the scheme undertook to monitor the animals and failed to do so, its a variant on" a big boy did it and ran away"
39

New kid on the blog,

Borders 07/08/2009 12:31:02
36.
Charming man! lEARN TO SPELL! Borders, not 'boarders' (as in guest house) 'YOU BUFFOON.'
40

Nellie,

Liverpool 07/08/2009 12:38:04
# 19 dyon gollins's back: Did y'not know? Their purpose is to reduce the carbon footprint of petrol driven chain saws.
41

Nellie,

Liverpool 07/08/2009 12:53:18
# 25 Geoff

No, the beaver is NOT native to the Scotland that is now. It WAS native to a Scotland that had a rather different environment than we have today. It is totally alien to today's Scottish environment.

It will change today's environment. Some may think that will be for the better, others for it will be for the worse. The problem is we don't know. What is being done is little more than a high risk experiment, one that is running without a safety Stop button in case it all goes wrong.
42

Nellie,

Liverpool 07/08/2009 13:10:07
# 36 Gordon Smiths 364 -
Unfair. If laughing at Susan Boyle because of the way she looks is your idea of entertainment, then you have a strange, rather cruel, idea of what is funny. "New kid on the blog" is right - it was a cheap shot, a poor attempt at humour on someone who does not deserve derision.
43

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 13:45:14
No. 42. There is a 'safety Stop button', as you would know if you took the trouble to research the issue before sounding off. Start with http://www.snh.org.uk/pdfs/species/B386614.pdf, and then http://www.scottishbeavers.org.uk/.
44

stonepark,

Cumnock 07/08/2009 13:59:32
Anyone for the thought the beavers took one look at their new accomadations, and thought bu**er this for a game of soldiers and went looking for a new prefered site that they actually like rather than what man thinks they should like??????????????????????
45

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07/08/2009 14:03:50
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46

sam the god,

07/08/2009 14:31:39
tasty tasty very very tasty
47

The west awake,

Argyll 07/08/2009 14:40:11
Nellie - "What is being done is little more than a high risk experiment, one that is running without a safety Stop button in case it all goes wrong."

Are you serious?

I'm with Guthrie 38, we are talking about a couple of beavers for gods sake.
I suggest most of us will never even see one apart from on the telly.

48

Esox Hunter,

Edinburgh 07/08/2009 14:45:30
#48 Sorry but history is littered with examples of species which have found there way into our countryside either by intention like the beaver or by mistake, for example escapes from mink farms, and have gone on to cause havok to the native wildlife.

Reintroducing beavers was a stupid self indulgent act and we should have left well alone.
49

Nellie,

Liverpool 07/08/2009 15:18:05
44 Am Fidhleir Lomartach
What kind of safety button is it if the critters can beggar off from where they live and not be found?!
What will they do if the beavers start to breed and, only after there are a score or more of them is it concluded "Ooops, maybe this wasn't such a good idea after all..." - what would they do to "stop" the experiment?
Damn it - they can't find the handful of beavers they have got, let alone if there were twenty or many ore of them!
Sorry, I don't accept any reassurances that this experiment could be stopped at will. Nor do I accept it would be done anyway! It seems the drivers of this project are wanting to see beavers back whatever it takes.
50

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 07/08/2009 15:18:18
#31 "Ignorant"? Prove it! Incidentally, the thought of such contamination has always exercised my mind ever since I first landed a government job looking for such contamination. Don't waste your time trying to say that roaming beaver can't pick up crypto sporidium from deer and sheep. But those animals don't live in the water, beaver do! You might throw around technical smoke screens, but the truth will out!
51

Pilrig,

Livingston 07/08/2009 15:20:49
I had to laugh at the crofter dude 'it would probably be someone shooting a deer'
If they cannae tell the difference between a deer and a beaver, then should they be trusted wi' a rifle ? Better the person tooddled off tae Specsavers ?
52

dido-bendigo,

Scotland 07/08/2009 15:23:55
#50 The best safety stop button would have been the word NO! from government.
53

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 15:30:57
No. 50. asks 'What kind of safety button is it if the critters can beggar off from where they live and not be found?!'

It is called radio-tracking, followed if need be by trapping or guns. If they cause that much of a problem they will be found easily enough even if the radios give out. Did you read the documents I pointed you to? No, I thought not.
54

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 15:43:20
No. 51. You don't know much about deer and sheep if you think that their germs don't get into the water. Deer are good and frequent swimmers and waders. Sheep s**t where they happen to find themselves, as do birds (including those that spend their lives on and in the water), cattle, dogs, foxes etc. If they have Cryptosporidium or any other pathogen, it will be in the water, beavers or none. That is why the water is treated between reservoir and tap (they did that long before there was any thought of Beaver reintroduction). If bugs reach your home in the water, it is a failure of the treatment system, not the fault of Beavers.

Time for a refresher course for that 'government job' of yours. Btw, you have done an excellent job proving the 'ignorant' bit yourself. Again.
55

animmo,

07/08/2009 15:55:03
Glad to see so many ars3s on here talking about how they're glad that this has happened. I suppose you'd all rather we continued destroying what was once a beautiful country and all live in a concrete sprawl would you? Do us all a fovour and move to benidorm or somewhere similarly devoid of actual life
56

lotsabeavers,

Canada 07/08/2009 15:57:44
Please forgive my ignorance of the Scottish landscape. But I do know a little bit about beavers. No one touched upon why they were brought back to Scotland. Here is Canada they are fairly plentiful and constantly dam small rivers and streams.(a bit of a nuisance from time to time as it floods some backwoods roadways) But it does creates ponds which in turn creates marsh areas for birds, turtles, fish etc. Once the pond fills the overflow continues on and the streams flow as before. Was that the consideration for their reintroduction?
57

animmo,

07/08/2009 16:02:56
The reason for their reintroduction #57 was that mankind had selfishly and stupidly killed off the last of the wild beavers of Britain in the 16th century. Some people do not obviously think that our species, considering it's "intelligence" should feel responsible for the other species we share our planet with. And so the selfishness continues.
58

lotsabeavers,

Canada 07/08/2009 16:12:56
I trust there was more to it than simply reintroduction. I mean, was it done with an overall plan with anticipated results that were beneficial to the local environment?? Just wondering what the anticipated results were.
59

Nellie,

Liverpool 07/08/2009 16:29:56
#53 dido-bendigo - Exactly!

#54 Am Fidhleir Lomartach - Yes, yes, yes - I've read it all before - perhaps even before you - I wasn't convinced then and I'm not now. Look at what's happening now with their wonderful tracking system. If the radio tracker is so good, why can't they find them now? And even if they were okay, which is most doubtful, are these people they going to fit radio trackers on their progeny? No - the grant will run out anyway and the lucky beavers left alive will be left to their own devices.
60

Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 07/08/2009 16:42:37
#57 - lotsabeavers, Canada.
Its pretty clean that the only people posting here who actually know anything about beavers and how they control their habitat are you and I. Like you, I live close to where beavers operate and your comments are precise and accurate. The comments above simply reveal the ignorance of the self-proclaimed "experts" above, most of whom I would guess know absolutely nothing about beavers and in all likelihood have never seen a real live beaver or its habitat.
61

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 16:47:51
Nellie and d-b above -

There were years of consultation and research on this proposal. Everyone had a chance to throw in their opinions, however misinformed and flaky (so even you were eligible).

These were assessed in the light of similar *successful* projects all over Europe.

The go-ahead for the trial was given by the Government with the support of European policies. Live with it.

There is an exit strategy if things go wrong, and if the worst comes to the worst we still have the capacity to eliminate the Beaver a second time. I doubt we will get to that stage, though.
62

Bondbabe,

Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, USA 07/08/2009 17:10:31
Evidently stupid, ignorant oafs are the same the world over. We actually had the same problem in Pittsburgh where some developer wanted to trap and kill reintroduced beavers until we went on the barricades. Don't you flat-earth members know that the world was far better off with beavers who create watersheds than the robber-baron land owners who turned ever green strip into a parking lot and filled in all the wetlands leaving the land barren and devastated so that we get torrential rains and psycho storms now! You just won't ever learn and keep running of your silly traps! Lest not forget the bloody hunters who get their ya-ya's off from their kill-for-thrill shootings!
63

lotsabeavers,

Canada 07/08/2009 17:24:16
Thank goodness for google. I was able to get the answers to my above questions. The only concern I could see was the impact on fish from the dams. Has that been addressed or is it a red herring(sorry for the pun)
64

Glendorie,

Alberta, Canada. 07/08/2009 17:29:10
#59 and #61. You may be expressing a general Canadian impression regarding beavers, but let me disagree. And maybe I can also, despite being apparently a "stupid ignorant oaf" (#63) shed some light on the beaver question. Beavers are undoubtedly useful in providing water catchment dams in wetlands. However on flowing streams thay create problems. I have the best brown trout stream in Alberta flowing through my farmland, and beavers are not an asset. They back up the stream, destroy the bank vegetation and generally lead to bank erosion and siltation of the stream. They also hinder migration of the fish. We strive to remove the critters from this environment, by trapping and blowing up the dams which they construct. Re-introducing them to Scotland has always seemed to me to be a daft idea!
65

animmo,

07/08/2009 17:30:04
It's really not about the habitat the beavers create/change is it??? It IS simply a fact that we had them, we killed them, we're trying to bring them back. And yes, probably largely because we can and feel it is our responsibility. Simple. End of. Anything wrong with that???
66

Am Fidhleir Lomartach,

07/08/2009 17:38:35
No. 65 - if you really are in Alberta you have a different species of beaver, with different ecology and different behaviour. You are right about one thing - introducing Castor canadensis to Scotland would be a daft idea. What is happening, though, is that Castor fiber (the European Beaver) is being reintroduced to a country where it would still be if Man were not quite so incapable of living in harmony with wildlife. That may not seem quite such a daft idea if you stop to consider it.
67

lotsabeavers,

Canada 07/08/2009 17:51:10
#65 Yes I am aware that in some areas they are considered vermin due to their destructive effects in particular areas and unfortunatly the land owners often bear the cost of removing the dams and killing the beavers etc. Perhaps I am being naive but from what I read a great deal of thought went into picking the areas for reintroduction. Again I am hoping fish migration was considered. Does anyone have information on that?
#66 I am afraid it IS all about the impact the beavers have. Not much use bringing them back only to see negative impacts and them trapped and killed soon after.
68

SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 07/08/2009 19:05:54
#65

Appears that we're neighbours ;-)

See my last post (#5) - the banks of the North Saskatchewan near here have been decimated over the past few years by at least 3 different colonies of beavers over a 5 mile stretch of river. Bank erosion is becoming a bigger problem, especially when the river crests in the spring thaw, and riverside walking trails have been washed away recently. Mature deciduous trees - some of the largest deciduous trees to be found for miles in this area - have been taken down in an area of protected waterside prairie. They can bring down a hardwood tree of 18" trunk diameter in 3 or 4 nights and then strip it bare in another week. I'd say bank erosion might be one of the more visible and more serious consequences of reintroducing beavers to the Scottish countryside.
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dido-bendigo,

Scotland. 07/08/2009 19:08:43
#55 Your highly insulting, conceited, brook no argument, haughty, know it all, shoot the messenger I don't like the message, answers can mean only one thing! You are in the pay of the EU or one of its sycophants in government? You or your pals have cocked up in a big way! Your silly project is in trouble, it is out of control, you've lost that which you said you could manage and now you have to show that the opposition are the ones at fault! The best means of defence is attack. Boy you know how to do that! Diplomacy in action! I'm glad I'm no longer in a government post having to try to right the wrongs of experiments like yours! Crypto in your drinking water madam? It's the fault of Scottish Water! They can't get it all out of the supply you know! It's nothing to do with the beavers in the reservoir up the road!

In your case, ignorance must be bliss!
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Glendorie,

Alberta 07/08/2009 20:41:57
# 67. Yes I do indeed live in Alberta - emigrated from Scotland some 55 years ago. I am aware that there are two distinct species of beaver, but on researching the subject the only difference I can find in their behavioural patterns is that castor fiber prefers smaller trees for it's food supply.
Incidentally on another aspect - water-borne disease - a few years ago drinking the water of the Bow River in southern Alberta without treatment lent one susceptible to "beaver fever" from the pathogens introduced by the beavers.
#69 - we may both be members of the Rocky Riparian or Red Deer River Watershed Alliance. Both dedicated to water quality of our streams.
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jerrymanders,

07/08/2009 20:47:36
Can all the well intentioned, but clearly mistaken, contributors from North America get it into their heads that we are re-introducing European Beavers. They are a completely different species from yours and do not build huge lodges that dam up rivers.
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jerrymanders,

07/08/2009 20:54:45
#71

The pathogens were not introduced by beavers.
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NYScott,

Upstate NY 07/08/2009 21:01:26
Aye and they make good eat'n too! We can send ya a few dozen for free as we have loads of the little bast'ds screwing up the rivers and streams here in upper NY.
What was the point of reintroducing them after being gone for so long? You need more swamps and marshes and the like? That's all they do here.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 07/08/2009 21:47:16
#72

Don't be so patronising. You're addressing people who live alongside beavers and have seen first-hand their effects on the environment.

I've made two previous posts in this thread and have never once complained about effects of beaver dams on water flow. But I have pointed out the effects of beaver-induced deforestation of river banks on bank stability. I'll guarantee you that will happen in Scotland too.

#71

I'm in the Edmonton area, so a bit north of you. Not personally a member of either watershed alliance you mention.
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jerrymanders,

07/08/2009 22:18:03
#75

"You're addressing people who live alongside beavers and have seen first-hand their effects on the environment."


The irony of your post is obviously lost on you.
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BK,

Cyberspace 07/08/2009 23:12:37
#71
"Incidentally on another aspect - water-borne disease - a few years ago drinking the water of the Bow River in southern Alberta without treatment lent one susceptible to "beaver fever" from the pathogens introduced by the beavers."

Yes, but I believe beaver fever already affects many people here, especially teenage males.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 07/08/2009 23:28:42
#76

Not really. I've also seen the devastating environmental effects of the northern Alberta tar sands projects. Thousands of migratory birds killed by tailings pond toxins. But I'm sure you also know more about that than those of us who live here.
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SOFBTRC,

Far, far from Glasgow 07/08/2009 23:38:28
From a species profile of the European beaver:

"The European beaver prefers burrows in river banks as a nesting place, but it will build lodges of piled logs where burrowing is not possible. It builds fewer dams than the North American beaver, and it does so generally in shallow streams to maintain water levels above the entrance to its burrow. Dams are built of tree trunks, branches and mud, and are about one metre in height and rarely longer than fifteen metres. "
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Glendorie,

Alberta. 08/08/2009 00:18:33
#72. There appears to be great striving to differentiate betwen the behaviour of the castor fiber and castor canadensis cousins. The Canadian beaver will also resort to burrowing into a bank, rather than building a log and mud lodge, if the stream is deep enough to ensure the entrance is always underwater. The damage to the surrounding vegetation and stream banks is not decreased by this change of habitat. They still take down mature trees to access the succulent upper branches.While often described as environmentalists, for their dam building in wet areas, on many streams they bear a better resemblance to clear-cutters on the Amazon. Once all the nearby trees have been felled, they move to new territory.
One of the arguments for their re-introduction to Scotland was the attraction for folks to view them. Now we already have a missing individual who can only be found by radio tracking! I can watch them from my kitchen window, but they are long gone if I make a closer approach.
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jerrymanders,

08/08/2009 01:12:28
#78
#79

Excellent. Now you realise that beavers can be different. Isn't Mother Nature wonderful?
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Phillip,

08/08/2009 22:33:03
With the the nation bankrupted by the foolish economic policies of Brown, Bush & Company, and with budgets being cut forcing redundancies among police forces, teachers, etc. along with decreases in funding for universities & even health services, WHY IN THE WORLD is money being wasted on reintroducing some beavers?

That money could have been spent on continuing the provision of basic government services rather than on some environmentalists wish-list project.

Was it wrong to exterminate all of the beavers in Scotland 400 years ago? Yes it was wrong. We should learn to be good stewards of the world around us. Extinctions can often have unintended, unforeseen & disastrous consequences.

Is it a good idea to reintroduce beavers to Scotland? I honestly don't know. Just as the removal of a species often causes problems, it is a truism that the introduction of a species will cause problems. Beavers may have at one time been native, but the environment has reached a new equilibrium. That happens much faster than many people imagine. 400 years may be a short period of time in the history of our planet, but it can seem like forever in an enclosed environment. A new equilibrium has apparently already been established in the area of Chernobyl! And many assumed that would be a nuclear death zone for generations. Yet nature found a way to live with it. So the truth is that it is impossible for anyone to predict exactly how the environment will be changed by the reintroduction of beavers.

The most important question should have been this: Considering the current fiscal crisis, is this the wisest way to spend tax revenues at this time? The answer to that is most definitely NO, unless you act the most extreme environmentalist nutters. When budgets are shrinking it is necessary to make cuts somewhere. When a decision must be made between a project that benefits beavers the most, and projects that benefit humans the most, then humans MUST win out every tim
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Phillip,

08/08/2009 22:33:25
ARGH. I hate it when a post gets cut short.

 

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