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Irish can silence the Euro vision



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Published Date: 13 June 2008
THE Irish are Eurovision champs yet again. No, not that self-parody of a music competition they have won more than anyone else, yet drives Terry Wogan to despair. Yesterday the Irish were casting their votes, not to select the most mind-numbing little ditty in Europe but to determine, for all three hundred million people of the European Union, what political European vision will eventually materialise.
By a quirk of fate, only in Ireland does the law state that any treaty that its politicians enter into that changes their constitution must be put to the people – as if the constitution itself was being amended.

Whoever thought that paragraph up deserves a statue erected in his or her honour. Many other countries should, or could, have had a referendum.

The French and Dutch had their referenda on the original draft constitution and threw the proposal out.

It was as much an expression of distaste towards their political classes as a rejection of the constitution that was offered. For their impertinence they were to be denied a second chance to do the same.

Britain was committed to hold a referendum and would no doubt have rejected the constitution too, but Tony Blair's face was saved by the ingratitude of those continentals – making it already dead in the water.

Gordon Brown and Ming Campbell both pledged to give the British people a say – but both Labour and the Liberal Democrats have shamefully ducked the issue by saying the Lisbon Treaty is not the same as the constitution originally proposed.

True, it is not word for word the same, but it is universally recognised in other European states that the Lisbon Treaty does what it says on the tin – it delivers the same draft constitution for the European Union.

The result of all this is that the Irish, and only the Irish, can save us from the distant and detached, power-hungry politicians who want to transfer more powers to Brussels and Strasbourg (one Parliament just isn't enough) by adopting a treaty that will create a proper European president, a European foreign minister, a foreign service with EU embassies, other European ministers and eventually a European cabinet. It will need more staff, more taxes and more laws.

That's all very well if you believe that Europe should be run like the United States of America, but this evolving United States of Europe is not a melting pot of immigrants with democratic rights enshrined on the individual.

Instead, it is a jigsaw of patriotic nations jealously guarding their cultures from the homogenisation of bland Eurocreep.

The European people don't want to be the same – they take great pride in their differences.

Politicians who use Euro laws to make us all the same are just not listening – and when politicians don't listen the people throw them out – and if they can't, they eventually turn to violence. If the Irish say no in their referendum, they will be doing Europeans a favour.

If they say yes, then there will be further resentment built into the European project and one day it will erupt.

The shame is that, unlike the other Eurovision, we are not given a say. Shame on Gordon Brown for his cowardice and deceit. So much for his belief in the brotherhood of man.

Boris leads the way
I was impressed with Boris Johnson when, after winning the election for London Mayor, he announced that he would resign his parliamentary seat so he could concentrate on serving the residents of London.

I heard no more about it and presumed, rather cynically, that it would not happen until the general election and must therefore be considered an empty gesture.

Well, how uncharitable I was. Boris is the man. He's actually resigned his Henley seat and there will be a by-election on June 26.

I suggest that Alex Salmond takes note. Instead of being in the best men's club in London – at the taxpayers' expense – while also serving at Holyrood, he could forego the extra pay and benefits and dedicate himself to being solely the First Minister by resigning as an MP and forcing a by-election.

It's not as if the SNP would lose Banff and Buchan. For a judicious tipster, Alex does, in this case, appear to be hedging his bets.

And Davis follows
But it's not just Boris Johnson who has shown some gumption and decided to resign his parliamentary seat.

Lo and behold, so too has David Davis, the Tory shadow home secretary. What are the Tories drinking and can we not give it to Labour MPs?

In an almost unique and unheard of example of political principle, Davis has resigned his seat in Haltemprice and Howden to force a by-election over the 42-day detention issue.

With the Liberal Democrats unlikely to stand a candidate, Davis should be a shoo-in – giving Gordon Brown another very public bloody nose. If Labour refuses to contest the election it will look yellow.

Now, will no-one resign over the issue of the Lisbon Treaty and keep the pressure up?

The full article contains 854 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 13 June 2008 8:09 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Brian Monteith
 
1

walter,

13/06/2008 09:19:36
If the Irish vote no then they will be told the same as they were after voting no to the treaty of Nice,
go back and hold another referendum and come back when the vote is yes.
2

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 13/06/2008 10:00:02
#1

Even more reason to keep up the political pressure so that the EU gets the message that we are not fooled by this chicanery and will not stand for it. Unelectable, unaccountable MEPs playing poodle to the few at the centre who are calling the shots. The whole rotten edifice (and there are 2 of course) needs to be pulled down.
3

Vandala,

13/06/2008 10:07:50
"Quirk of fate?" Get some of your facts right before you write this kind of one-dimensional analysis about an issue you seem to know very little about.

The reason Ireland is having a referendum on Lisbon is because a citizen, Raymond Crotty, took a constitutional challenge to the courts in 1987 which ruled that significant changes to European Union treaties required an amendment to the Irish constitution before they could be ratified by the state.

As Ireland is a republic (as opposed to a monarchy), its laws are bound by its 1937 written constituition and any change to it, regardless of how trivial, always must be decided by a referendum.

The British constituition is UNWRITTEN. There is no single document that can be classed as the British constituition, thus British citizens cannot mount a constuitional challenge. To suggest that this amounts to "cowardice" on behalf of Gordon Brown is entirely specious.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raymond_Crotty

http://britishconstitution.blogspot.com/2007/04/constitutional-conventions.html
4

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13/06/2008 10:20:44
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Ugly George,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 10:50:06
3 Vandala
But is this really the issue. I may be wrong but did not Labour initially propose a referendum on what was described at a meeting in Nice as the "EU Constitution". If I remember correctly this was rejected in referenda held in France and the Netherlands and so was ditched. The Lisbon agreement has, effectively, come up with the same arrangements but is calling it a "treaty". Gordon Brown is now saying that a referendum is not necessary as it is a "treaty" and not a "constitution".
6

Fairfax,

13/06/2008 11:13:40
Vandala (3): "There is no single document that can be classed as the British constituition, thus British citizens cannot mount a constuitional challenge."

I'm partial to written constitutions also, but that's not true. For example, when judges declare governments acts illegal, then they're using the British constitution to limit the government. The disadvantage of a diffused constitution is that it's frequently not explicit. The advantage is that it can often be more difficult for governments to act as they would wish. After all, a written constitution need not be an effective guarantor of freedoms: the USSR and Weimar Germany both had written constitutions.
7

Alan B,

13/06/2008 11:25:50
If there is to be a referendum for the eu treaties going forward, should it not be a single eu wide referendum. A situtation where one country can kill a treaty wanted by the rest is not sustainable. It allows the tail to wag the dog.

Not saying that is the case here as other countries have not had referendums.

Personally i am pro-eu but think the constitutional treaty and this replacement are not the way forward. The EU really does have to change its approach.
8

Vandala,

13/06/2008 11:33:12
#6. I'm no expert on British law but what's untrue about the statement?

1)The British constitution is unwritten, right? There is no actual physical document. I appreciate that a judge can use the constituition to declare a government act illegal, but that would imply that it's gone to court in the first place. Right? Which leads me on to:

2) Can a British CITIZEN challenge the British constituition in the same way that Irish citizens can?

...clarifications appreciated.
9

Alan B,

13/06/2008 11:35:30
#Fairfax

Are laws declared illegal in the uk not due to the european court of rights rather than going against a uk constitution per se.

What laws have the courts declared illegal based on the "uk constitution"? (within recent times).
10

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13/06/2008 12:02:36
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13/06/2008 12:05:58
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Vandala,

13/06/2008 12:31:19
It's looking like a "no".

http://www.ireland.com/newspaper/breaking/2008/0613/breaking1.htm
13

Alan B,

13/06/2008 12:35:11
turnout seems to be very low too. almost making the whole thing a farce.
14

Mikey,

13/06/2008 13:14:02
#10, the EU cannot atop states having referenda when something affects their written constitution.

Of course, that's something the Britnats want like a hole in the head!
15

Unimpressed one,

13/06/2008 14:04:05
#11, That's a disgraceful comparison! Maggots are good for fish bait and they then turn into flies, so more food for something. Plus they die off in the winter. Our EU parasites are good for nothing and are there all the year round.
16

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

13/06/2008 14:20:24
Ho Hum. Have a good weekend Brian OneIssue.
17

The Genuine Mario Antoinette,

13/06/2008 14:24:34
Part of the problem is no-one (or very few) actually know what the Lisbon Convention actually IS.

Would anyone of you objectors like to explain it , in your own words ? What hope the Daily Mail reading Masses ?

Your usual populist cràp Brian. Drag them in with a heading on Eurovision which is of course derided. c-
18

Jock MacTamson 2,

Highlands 13/06/2008 14:27:11
It is human nature to favour your own family, friends, and countrymen over others. The European Union is a bad idea and will end in tatters with the French and Germans running the show for themselves.

Politicians love the thought of controlling the tax revenues of 500 million voters but can they be trusted to act in the nest interests of all. The needs of Ireland and different to the needs of Italy. No control, no understanding. Less centralisation is the key to goos management of our countries but with shared goals and institutions.

Scotland joined a union 300 years ago and it is as unpopular now with the people as then. The majority of support I have met for the union comes from a misunderstanding of history by the protestant/unionist majority of the south west who decide their politics on religion and football.
19

Scotish Exile,

13/06/2008 15:51:32
well doen to the Irish, a resounding "No" vote, coward broon, you yellow bellied slime ball, are you watching, whu no referendum when it was a manifesto pledge, liar, liar, liar
20

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 15:58:06
Aaah go on go on go on go on go on.

Ye will ye will ye will ye will ye will.
21

Jwil,

13/06/2008 16:31:01
Every opportunity taken by the Scotsman to slag off the SNP.

Alex Salmond should remain in his Westminster seat until Scotland has independence. He will have plenty of company, and be able to twist more arms to Scotland's benefit, after the next general election.
22

yoric,

13/06/2008 23:10:11
Well done the Irish.

We British want the vote, as promised.

WE WANT TO VOTE ON THE EU TREATY AS PROMISED.

What part of "we want to vote on the EU treaty" does the Government not understand?
23

John PM,

Edinburgh 13/06/2008 23:33:04
If Scotland was independent with a written constitution like Ireland's we could guarantee our rights to a vote in the same way, though that never occurs to the blinkered Monteith. There are none so blind as those who will not see the blindingly bloody obvious.
24

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 14/06/2008 04:01:28
A PDF document of the treaty can be found at:

http://www.consilium.europa.eu/uedocs/cmsUpload/st06655-re01.en08.pdf

The main goals seems to be to establish a common defence policy where each member is required to contribute to, and to establish a commmon immigration policy which eliminates discrimination based on religion or nationality.
25

LillyAugusta,

Belgrade,Serbia 14/06/2008 08:25:53
Bravo for Ireland!!!!
26

ThomasP,

14/06/2008 14:17:22
24 Mr Fuzzy.

Britain has opt out of the immigration policy.

The defence policy has been planned for many years already. It is quite a joke considering NATO barely works.

The treaty was suppose to ban certain areas where the EU members can opt out so each state has similar laws/rules. However, individual countries has secured opt outs where there is great importance or specail reasons for it.

:)
27

Eve,

Scotland 14/06/2008 14:20:14
#25 LillyAugusta: Aye!

 

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