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Anger at Lord Provost's £6000 trip to India - for a book fair



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Published Date: 31 October 2008
COUNCIL leaders have come under fire for plans to spend £6000 of taxpayers' money sending the Lord Provost and his wife on a trip to India for a book fair.
Councillor George Grubb and his Lady Provost wife Liz have been invited to Kolkata, formerly called Calcutta, as part of the Indian city's bid to join Edinburgh as a Unesco City of Literature.

The proposal would see the pair attend the Kolkata Book Fair in January, accompanied by a council official, where they would help promote the Capital at a Scottish stand being held there.

Officials have estimated around £6000 would be needed to cover travel costs for the five-day trip.

However, the Evening News has found flights for three people at the same time in economy class for just under £2000.

The protocol for Lord Provost trips abroad is that business class flight tickets are bought for the Lord and Lady Provosts, while any accompanying officials are put in standard class.

Officials today said no decision had been taken on what tickets will be bought for the trip, if it is approved by councillors next week. The British Council has agreed to meet accommodation costs.

Jim Inch, the council's director of corporate services, has recommended councillors approve the trip, and said it "would considerably enhance Edinburgh's standing in India in terms of cultural relations, educational links and tourism".

But Councillor Andrew Burns, the city's Labour leader, said: "I think it is an inappropriate time for this sort of expenditure, especially when the council is looking at cuts to school budgets or its Fairer Scotland allocations.

"I am not commenting on the merits of this specific trip but it is just that I'm sure the voters of Edinburgh can think of better uses for that money."

Alastair Paisley, the Tory councillor for Edinburgh Pentlands, added: "My personal reaction is 'No thank you'. George should stay at home and sort out the problems here. I don't think there's a street in Edinburgh that couldn't use £6000.

"I think most people in Edinburgh will see this as a jolly."

But deputy council leader Steve Cardownie said he fully supported the trip. He said: "People should remember we're an international city. I think it's entirely appropriate that the Lord Provost should travel abroad to promote the city.

"We're talking about a drop in the ocean compared to the £1000 million the council spends each year."

And Councillor Cameron Rose, the city's Tory finance spokesman, said: "I don't think we should get into these penny-pinching arguments about these sorts of civic trips. They do have a lot of value for the city."

When asked if the Lord Provost's wife should go on the trip, Mr Rose replied: "Every ambassador needs a consort."

The Kolkata Book Fair attracts over 2.5 million visitors a year and is the biggest fair of its kind in Asia.

The British Council estimates there will be 50,000 people on the Scotland Pavilion every day to learn about Scottish literature.

A replica of Edinburgh Castle is being built as the entrance to the Scottish Pavilion.

Among the events being planned for the pavilion are exhibitions by the Edinburgh City of Literature, the National Galleries and the International Book Festival.

A spokesman for the Lord Provost said: "Lord Provosts' consorts and Lady Provosts have played an important, active role for the council for many years.

"The current Lady Provost has a very busy schedule, works hard to promote the city and is occasionally required to accompany the Lord Provost on official visits and engagements.

"This particular visit is part of a wider British Council effort to strengthen Scotland's relationship with Kolkata and it is important that Edinburgh is at the centre of this to make the most of any opportunities."

Councillors on the policy and strategy committee will decide on the India trip on Tuesday.


The full article contains 659 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 31 October 2008 1:14 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

The Judge,

31/10/2008 11:53:05
Jim Inch, the council's director of corporate services, has recommended councillors approve the trip, and said it "would considerably enhance Edinburgh's standing in India in terms of cultural relations, educational links and tourism".

And I've always fancied India in January...
2

Crivvens,

31/10/2008 11:56:09
No wonder his missus is smiling in the picture, so would mine if I took her on a nice wee holiday to india 1st class.
3

I C Weiner,

31/10/2008 11:57:28
Shocking racial slur on the front page of the paper today.
4

Snails dont like curry and chips,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 11:58:46
What a lot of absolute nonsense and a waste of taxpayers cash whatever the cost. What the h**l is Grubb going to do on this jamboree!! Cuts to all kinds of council services and we are expected to pay for non- descript councillors going on a nice holiday1
5

alex paterson,

edinburgh 31/10/2008 11:59:08
Send them to India and leave them there i will be only to glad to pay their fares.
6

James (1),

31/10/2008 12:02:47
It's only money and there is plenty of that for council projects. Why become a councillor is you cannot get the odd jolly now and then and take the wife away for a few days?
What will the end result be? Oh that's right, it will be one of those unquantifiable results.
I take it all the other larger cities like Glasgow and Aberdeen etc will be sending their representatives to this very important book fair?

7

john3,

31/10/2008 12:02:59
Sure the Indians are going to spend loads here in return?
8

Crivvens,

31/10/2008 12:09:30
It would be a bit cheaper to log onto Amazon.com and get his books there; maybe thats just too cheap and simple.
9

fresian,

edinburgh 31/10/2008 12:17:43
Why not just send them up the Amazon instead
10

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31/10/2008 12:23:54
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Crivvens,

31/10/2008 12:25:23
A great idea seeing Edinburgh's already up 't creek without a paddle
12

Franky McNostril,

Bensonhurst 31/10/2008 12:25:53
Grubbie goes to India. So bleeding what.

"Hello Grubbie memsahib. Why do you wear them horse brasses around your neck?"

I blame the trams.
13

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 12:28:14
For Heavens Sake! Is this man only interested in robes and personal numberplates and jollies at our expense? This administration has locked them up so well in their ivory tower that it seems completely incapable of seeing how this sort of nonsense goes down with the public. Crass, insensitive and downright ill-timed.
14

Epicuras,

31/10/2008 12:30:23
just send Jim Inch and Corporate Services to India, on a one way ticket - was there ever a more pointless, useless,waste of money of a department?
15

Very Concerned Resident,

now also confused! 31/10/2008 12:37:50
Who speaks for the Tories - Paisley or Rose???
16

I love to eat Sellotape,

31/10/2008 12:40:24
2.

The reason his missus is smiling has nothing to do with the trip. It's what her husband's doing with his left hand.
17

Keith 1,

UK 31/10/2008 13:00:58
"But deputy council leader Steve Cardownie said he fully supported the trip. He said: "People should remember we're an international city. I think it's entirely appropriate that the Lord Provost should travel abroad to promote the city."

Is any City not international outside of its own Nation?? What a strange statment!
18

Crivvens,

31/10/2008 13:07:51
16

Well it wouldnt be his right hand - thats holding a few Jeffry Archer novels for the plane journey
19

Bob 2,

31/10/2008 13:08:22
and the benfits are ?

ZERO ?
20

Journalistic licence,

31/10/2008 13:13:15
I can also reveal that he will be speaking to the Indian government about extending the Edinburgh tram line to Kolkata so we can have more take-away shops to choose from.
21

Edinburgh Writer,

31/10/2008 13:13:42
India is the world's largest democracy, with an economy that has grown rapidly and a large, English-speaking middle class. It is absolutley appropriate that Edinburgh should seek to enhance its cultural and commercial links with India. If we can increase Indian investment in this city for the cost of a few plane tickets, we should take the opportunity.
22

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31/10/2008 13:19:14
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Crivvens,

31/10/2008 13:22:20
21
6 grand is too much. In the present economic climate even the council should be looking to economise wherever possible.
24

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31/10/2008 13:23:10
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Salvatori,

31/10/2008 13:23:43
What next - Nepal for a car boot sale? Hope he got a dose of the Rudyard Kiplings.
26

Crivvens,

31/10/2008 13:27:18
There's an idea 22 - send the Provost to the East and his wife to the West, on a one way ticket and see how our International presence increases and our costs reduce!
27

Vandala,

31/10/2008 13:40:32
#21. Well said.

Not that the kneejerk Mr Angries on this forum would be interested in hearing balanced, objective analysis.
28

Irked,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 13:51:44
I am really disappointed in the Lord Provost.

I've voted for him for a number of years because I thought he was a good councillor. But now he is Provost he swans about South Queensferry in his fancy car, wants to waste money on all kinds of frivolous nonsense and now this.

As a Christian he ought to be really, truly, deeply ashamed of himself.

And resign.
29

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 14:15:46
Typical hypocrisy from the Lib Dems - they were never done lambasting Labour for the promotion trips in which all big cities get involved, but as soon as they get power they are on the Council gravy train with first class tickets clasped in their grubby paws.
30

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31/10/2008 14:16:21
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*Mummy*,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 14:24:18
Re Comment 24

Foo - You are being very patronising toward bus drivers and button pushers.
32

tomias,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 14:30:23
Mr Foo; you are not I believe in the city council neither in central or devolved goverment when you admit to " seelling" anf senior management.You are acting on a profit and or loss premise.
I too have " sold" and " promoted" buisiness abroad.The general public did not directly sponsor me; tax benefits yes,but I had to very accurately account for all the bawbees.
So I gree with your post- how ver I cannot agree that the same can be accuraelt translated to government, local or national. The critria are different.
So City Council might we see in all detain the business plan?
OOPs thought so ( No).
33

Crivvens,

31/10/2008 14:30:28
31

They wouldn't understand if Foo said it any other way
34

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 14:37:57
Councillor Andrew 'Bumbling' Burns has little room to talk - was his labour party colleague and sometime Provost, Oor Very Ain Eric Milligan, Official Poltroon to Her Majesty, not the arch junketeer to beat them all? Polis car to the fitba' in Glesca'with drunken colleague, Fact finding Cultural Visit to Paris, dragging the L&B Pipe Band into a topless nightclub to boost his own vanity - only space on the post precludes me from adding more. Grubb and the FibDums have a lot of catching up to do.
35

Crivvens,

31/10/2008 14:38:35
Edinburgh council are not an international business and shouldnt try being one either. Look what happens when they try to play at being developers and company shareholders - it ends in a shambles and a financial loss to Edinburgh tax payers. They should stick to providing the simple basic services we need as efficiently as possible.
36

*Mummy*,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 14:45:35
He should travel economy class and leave his Mrs at home.
37

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31/10/2008 14:54:23
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31/10/2008 14:58:08
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Brian M,

31/10/2008 15:02:06
"Where they would help promote the Capital at a Scottish stand"

Aye right
40

*Mummy*,

31/10/2008 15:09:32
Re Comment 37

Foo - How do you manage to run a business AND post an endless amount of patronising comments on this website?
41

Incandescent,

31/10/2008 15:16:58
#40 Presumably the same way that Duncan from Edinburgh does it.
42

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31/10/2008 15:19:01
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*Mummy*,

31/10/2008 15:26:07
Re Comment 42

Foo - I'm feeling your negativity and anger. Maybe you should have a few drinks with friends this weekend to relax - that's if you have any!
44

Local Lass,

South Queensferry 31/10/2008 15:30:15
"accompanied by a council official".......to carry the suitcases, no doubt.

What an absolute farce - Grubb always looks for any sort of freebie and publicity, no matter if it's ggod or bad, because he knows he ain't standing again after his stint as Lord Provo....he's my local councillor but has done fak all for any os his constituents. Can he no just go to India and stay there ???
45

James (1),

31/10/2008 15:57:29
#22 I would not call Glasgow and Prestonpans abroad!

#43 Keep at him and you will see Mario appear. Now that is an oriental mental.
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31/10/2008 15:59:42
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Edward,

31/10/2008 16:05:40
#35
Edinburgh Council may not be an International business
but isnt Edinburgh an International City?
Or is it just a small town in some region of Britain?
48

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31/10/2008 16:10:34
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James (1),

31/10/2008 16:28:24
#48 can't grumble but probably will you silver tongued devil. How's Mario, you keeping him at bay by taking your medication?
Where did you get the idea I was racist? Fortune cookie?
By the way I have decided to copy you and buy myself a wife. You hit on gold there son! I'm just like you, obnoxious and insulting. Don't believe me? Ask anybody except "Mario"(the voice in your head)on this site.
We are like two peas in a pod. We could be Siamese twins.
50

Ima Stoner,

HIGH street, edinburgh 31/10/2008 16:45:13
£6000 for a 5-day trip, I went to India for 6 months and I didn't spend anywhere near that! Shocking! He should pay for it himself
51

fresian,

edinburgh 31/10/2008 17:03:23
I suppose if 3 of them go, then his carbon footprint will be cut by 2 thirds, so that should keep the eco nazis happy
52

Brian M,

31/10/2008 17:48:37
can't they go by tram?
53

dba,

Haymarket 31/10/2008 18:10:35
I owe Councillor Grubb and his Lady a sincere apology, his profile has been so low, I didn't even know he WAS Lord Provost!

I am stunned at this story - we've seen community grants slashed because of a £10 MILLION 'hole in the budget'. Yesterday we were warned of an approx. £30 MILLION 'deficit in the budget' caused by the credit crunch and pending recession...

NOW A PAID OFFICIL FEELS IT WOULD BE GOOD FOR THE CITY for us to spend £6,000 sending the Lord and Lady Provost AND A COUNCIL OFFICER to a book fair in India?

I wholeheartedly support the proposal AS LONG AS THE TOTAL COST IS DEDUCTED FROM MR. INCH'S SALARY!

Our coallition Council really is pumbing new depths of insanity...If Tszarina Dawe and her political bed-fellows ever sally out of the Winter palace (Sorry City chambers) they will find just how bad things are getting in the City they ARE SUPPOSED to represent!

FOR GOODNESS SAKE - GET REAL - or face extinction at the next elections

54

Joe,

Nile Grove 31/10/2008 18:17:37
..these junkets have to stop. £6000 could be put to better use.
55

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 31/10/2008 19:42:36

Nothing new here, junkets, snouts in trough, intresting to read Steve "One grand mobile phone bill" Cardownie backing the visit......how many all expenses trips did he make to Keiv where his wife came from?
56

Grad 1,

Edinburgh 31/10/2008 20:49:46
These Kolkata chappies must be easily pleased. I don't think I would be too impressed if they sent us two old fogies to garner more international business.
57

Dragonlord,

31/10/2008 23:39:02
Burns is the right one to talk about wasting money. How much has this clown wasted in road management schemes?
58

celtic4,

USA 01/11/2008 03:01:16
A BOOK FAIR?????????? Enough said.
59

Aesop,

Edinburgh 01/11/2008 08:04:35
Councillor Andrew Burns, the city's Labour leader, said: "I think it is an inappropriate time for this sort of expenditure"

The correct time of course was when a New Labour potato was wearing the chains of office.
60

Finbarr Saunders,

01/11/2008 08:36:12
Who cares if he has his snout in the trough?

He's just doing what seems to come naturally to councillors in Edinburgh.

Did anyone credit him with having an ounce of integrity in the first place?

Anyway, he's too old for trips like this. A David Urquhart bus tour round the Highlands would be much more suitable.

He's gonnae end up with a nasty doze of Delhi Belly or something worse and that will take that strange expression off his face.
61

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 01/11/2008 23:10:22
this.is.a.joke.say.its.not.real.this.guy.is.unreal

 

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