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City chiefs a sitting target over bill to fix furniture



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Published Date: 16 August 2008
COUNCILLORS are set to agree to controversial plans to spend more than £112,000 on repairing historic desks and chairs for their monthly meetings.
The move was today branded "astonishing" and "appalling" by union leaders and opposition politicians, at a time when front-line services face repeated cutbacks.

Public sector union Unison said the money could pay for more than three social workers
or six home helps – job areas currently under pressure due to massive budget problems.

The individual throne-like Davenport leather chairs and desks were designed in 1904 for the City Chambers, but most are now kept in storage.

At the monthly full council meetings, politicians currently sit on modern beech chairs behind long wooden desks. Officials today said this set-up is "poor and conflicts with the conserved interior" of the main debating chamber.

Councillors will vote next week on the recommendation to refurbish 64 desks and chairs – an average of £800 per piece of furniture – with the Lib Dem/SNP administration known to be generally in favour of the move.

The two other options would be to keep the current arrangement, at no additional cost, or purchase brand new desks and chairs at a price of around £150,000.

Labour group leader Andrew Burns said today: "My own view is that now is not the time to renew or refurbish City Chambers furniture.

"In the last few months school budgets have been cut, nursery school hot meals have been abandoned, numerous voluntary organisations have seen funding reduced and community centres are losing full-time workers."

A spokesman for Unison added: "When front-line services in Edinburgh are being cut across the board, this seems at the very least to be ill-judged timing."

Four contractors have now provided estimates for the repair work, and officials have selected Phoenix Conservation at a cost of £93,712. On top of that, there are professional fees of £8640 and around £10,000 would be spent on new furniture to replace any historic items currently used in council offices.

City leader Jenny Dawe said today: "This historic furniture is a civic asset. Different people put a different price on preserving our heritage, but this administration considers that we should take advantage of this opportunity not only to preserve it, but to see it in practical use within the City Chambers.

"To do otherwise would mean selling the chairs or allowing them to decay, and neither would be the right decision for the city.

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Deputy council leader Steve Cardownie added: "The desks and chairs belong to the city, not the council."





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  • Last Updated: 16 August 2008 12:16 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

MtnKat,

16/08/2008 12:16:06
Mr. Roden,
Your article is missing some pertinent information:

Is Phoenix Conservation located in Scotland?
How many jobs will this provide? For how long?
Will the furniture now being used be sold to help offset the cost?

These are but a scant few questions that should have been addressed before this was published.

As low as my expectations are for The Scotsman, I am finding there is still no bottom in sight.
2

Alasdair MacWhirter,

Reading quietly in the conservatory 16/08/2008 12:33:35
#1 Phoenix Conservation is a Welsh Company (http://www.phoenixconservation.com/) so no Scottish jobs involved it would appear. I cannot believe that there is not a Scottish company capable of undertaking such a task. Perhaps either a councillor or official has relatives in Wales................................
3

alex paterson,

edinburgh 16/08/2008 12:37:00
They dont know what the word cutback means,they probably think its a medieval cutlass.
4

subrosa,

16/08/2008 12:37:12
Pot, kettle and black spring to mind regarding the Unison comment. Wonder what the expenses are of the heid bummers of Unison. I'm sure their excesses could pay for a couple of social workers too. The unions may think they have the advantage these days of the Westminster government, but hopefully they'll never get such a hold of the SNP government. Unhealthy.
5

Artemis,

16/08/2008 12:53:33
The difference is, subrosa, that union officials and union expenses are paid for by union members who choose to join and are free to leave. That's not the same as a council cutting important services to vulnerable people while spending hundreds of thousands of pounds on furniture and flags.
6

TonyBLiar,

nose in the trough 16/08/2008 13:00:03
yes Unison sponsoring a whole days racing at Doncaster recently - that qualifies them to comment on waste
7

Buttress,

16/08/2008 13:24:09
Well I'm in favour. This is solid, historic furniture, built to last, and of course it should be restored and brought back into use. It will be an investment in the long term, outlasting anything built today.

Possibly the company involved is a) the best for the job b) maybe the work was put out to tender and no Scottish firm could compete on price?

8

P I Staker,

16/08/2008 13:27:27
I just wonder if the @rses of the @rses who will sit on these can tell the difference between moulded plastic and a fine seasoned oak.
One day a bus conductor, a bar tender or window cleaner having pot noodle, a white puddin supper and a tin of Heineken for their tea whilst squatting on an Ikea chair from Freecycle. The next, by 3 vote, a councillor and only fillet steak, king prawns and Chateau Neuf du Gracemount (the '84 of course) from warmed bone china plates whilst perched upon a velvet throne will do.
Pretentious, moi?????
9

Buttress,

16/08/2008 13:44:38
Can't the public have access to view at times? Maybe some of us can appreciate it in an appropriate setting, which a storecupboard isn't.
10

Artemis,

16/08/2008 16:36:01
#6 - which bit of UNISON's spending on the races came out of our council tax and would have been better spent on public services? Oh, that's right, none of it. It came out of member subs if the members aren't happy, they can vote the elected officers out. The money the council wants to spend on furniture and flags comes out of our council tax and it should be spend on delivering council services, not chairs and bunting.
11

Buttress,

16/08/2008 17:31:05
Which bit of 'voting' doesn't apply to councillors then?

12

kelly 2,

edinburgh 16/08/2008 18:43:47
My Dad has had his one day, 2 hours, a week, support stoped, some daft excuse was given , but basically its about money, I cant accept that the money goes to Chairs, why cant they wait untill the reserves are up... its all very unjust, my Dad still pays full rent and made a contribution to the city most of his working life , but he is old now and the Council have been a let down.
13

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16/08/2008 20:09:50
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
14

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

16/08/2008 21:50:48
what is the City's leader, Tom Buchanan saying about this ?
15

NorT,

Edinburgh 16/08/2008 22:39:45
If you look at this report:

http://cpol.edinburgh.gov.uk/getdoc_ext.asp?DocId=115099

you will get the whole report going in front of the Council.

#1 if you did some research before posting then you could answer your own questions.
16

Douglas,

Bathgate 17/08/2008 08:31:20
#15: It's supposed to be the job of the journalists to ask the questions and report the answers. Of course one could research any and all subjects but why then would we keep tame, quality newspapers employing investigative professionals?
17

Buttress,

17/08/2008 09:41:06
"The fabric conservation works have restored and enhanced the character of the
Chamber. It is now apparent that the historic qualities of the 1904 interiorwould be further enriched by the restoration of the original leather chairs and individual Davenport desks.

3.6 The cost of restoration of the originalfurnishings has been established bycompetitive tendering from specialist refurbishment contractors who are
experienced in bringing historic furniture back into use. A range of repairs are required including, but not limited to, infilling of holes, repairs to mouldings andframes, replacement of carpet on the footrests and polishing..."


"Option Appraisal
3.7 Three options have been considered:
A - continuing to use the current furniture
B - reinstating the historic assets, or
C - replacing with new furniture

A - Continuing to use the Current Furniture
3.8 At present the formal Council meetings use a combination of historic and 1990s
furniture. The appearance, materials and performance of this furniture, is considered to be poor and conflicts with the conserved interior. This furniture,
however, can be retained within the City Chambers for use outwith the more prominent historic spaces.

B - Reinstating the Historic Assets
3.9 Using historic furnishings for Council Meetings requires 64 Davenport desks, together with the original matching chairs and associated tables and chairs.

3.10 There are sufficient desks and chairs within the City Chambers to create the
layout for Council meetings. To achieve this, the historic furniture at present inoffice and meeting room accommodation in the City Chambers will require to beused. As a result, it will be necessary to purchase a limited number of chairs toreplace those allocated to the Main Chamber layout.

3.1 1 The continued conservation and care of the furniture requires management
arrangements to support the storage and maintenance of these historic assets.
(It is proposed that Room 6.18 within t
18

Buttress,

17/08/2008 09:42:18
Cont(It is proposed that Room 6.18 within the City Chambers be allocated to enable the historic furniture to be stored locally when not required at Council meetings.Room 6.18 lies immediately below the Civic floor and is ideal for this purpose.
The room would be removed from the current list of meeting rooms.)

C - Replacing with New Furniture
3.12 To replace the existing furniture with modern desks and chairs would offer a degree of additional flexibility. However, it has not yet proved possible to
source an appropriate new furniture solution, but it is estimated that the cost of this type of furniture would be in the order of f 150,000."

"3.1 3 Benchmarking with other Scottish Local Authorities has shown that onlyEdinburgh and Glasgow hold their Council meetings in Category A listed
buildings with Category A listed interiors. In the Glasgow City Chambers a permanent arrangement has been established using tiered, fixed bench seating
and desking. Given the tiered nature of the accommodation, the Chamber can only be used for meetings in its formal setting."
19

Buttress,

17/08/2008 09:46:29
"Interior Layout
3.14 The furnishings originally designed for use in the Council Chamber could be established as a permanent layout. One consequence of creating a permanent arrangement would be the impact on the use of the Chamber for other functions and meetings. Such a layout would effectively reduce the capacity for hosting civic and other receptions. In a typical year, a range of Civic, Ceremonial,Council and wider public activities all use, or hire the Chamber in a variety of
flexible layouts. Up to 20 Civic receptions plus formal lunches, awards, sporting ceremonies are all attracted to the Council Chamber. In practice, should a permanent layout be introduced, the numbers for these types of event would be limited to the accommodation available either in the European Room or in the Lothian Chambers, neither of which matches the 200 person standing capacity of the Council Chamber.

It is anticipated that as a result of completing the conservation works, this could increase. In addition, the events generate £150,000 of business for Edinburgh
Catering..."
20

Buttress,

17/08/2008 09:50:15
"Tender Process for Proposed Restoration of the Council’s Historic Furniture

3.20 To ensure that the possible furniture restoration works are co-ordinated with the Main Construction Programme, tenders were invited from specialist furniturerestorers.

3.21 Following a short-listing process, in accordance with Council Standing orders,the undernoted contractors were invited to submit tenders to the Council:
Browns Furniture Limited
Lomas Pigeon and Company Limited
Phoenix Conservation
Service Master Limited

The tender evaluation process examined the compliant tenders and confirmed the most advantageous tender was submitted by Phoenix Conservation in the sum of f93.712.


4. Conclusions
4.1 Accepting the tender for the conservation and refurbishment of the original
Council Chamber furniture and related proposals would:
a) enhance the Architectural Heritage of the City Chambers by completing the conservation works in the Council Chamber; and achieve a sustainable outcome by the restoration and reuse of the original historic furniture from throughout the City Chambers.

4.2 Early next year, the restoration of the Council Chamber will be completed incorporating the quality interior refurbishment, the restored historic furniture forCouncil meetings and a new conference sound system.

21

Buttress,

17/08/2008 10:11:05
So - having read that and the rest of the report, still sounds a good plan to me. I wonder how many of those Mr Roden quoted above had actually considered the report before opening mouths?

22

Doh,

18/08/2008 09:09:35


On a matter of principal Labour councillors should be asked to sit on used shells from the Iraq war.

 

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