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City workers to rally round during nationwide walk-out



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Published Date: 20 September 2008
A MASS rally is set to be staged in Edinburgh city centre next week as part of a nationwide walk-out by council workers.
The next round of action in the ongoing pay dispute is scheduled for Wednesday, and is again likely to cripple schools, community centres, council offices and bin collections across the Capital.

Plans are also in place for further action from specific workforces the following week, if no breakthrough is reached.

City finance leader Gordon Mackenzie described the action as "very disappointing", but said the council aims to ensure "life and limb" services are kept intact.

Around 150,000 members of Unison, Unite and the GMB across Scotland took part in a walk-out last month in protest at a below-inflation offer of 2.5 per cent.

For next Wednesday's day of action, Unison – Scotland's largest council staff union – has arranged a demonstration and rally in Princes Street Gardens, starting at 12.30pm.

Union leaders said workers were unhappy with their pay offer, which was originally 2.5 per cent every year for three years.

The umbrella body for Scottish councils, Cosla, later came back with a 2.5 per cent one-year offer.

Tracey Dalling, Unison's regional organiser, said: "If employers thought that promising to reconsider their pay offer and then refusing to deliver was a clever tactic, then this next action will show them the error of their ways.

"Whether this was a piece of sleight-of-hand or the inability of the employers' reps to agree a new offer, it has backfired badly. All the reports indicate that this has made members much angrier.

"In the event that it becomes needed, we now have authorisation for further action after September 24. We hope that the employers will make sure we don't need to take that action."

Cllr Mackenzie said: "The fact that more strike action is anticipated is very disappointing.

"But we have to hope that there is a realistic and fair outcome from negotiations."

In West Lothian, bin collections will be cancelled, but most schools and care homes should remain open. However, social work centres will be closed and no funeral bookings will be taken.

HOW WILL THE STRIKE AFFECT YOU?

COUNCIL offices, buildings and cultural venues: some council buildings may be closed. Check in advance before travelling.

• Schools, nurseries, community, child and family centres: all facilities and school crossing guide services may be affected. Full information will be available on the council website or telephone 0131-200 2383.

• Adult education classes: all adult education classes that were due to take place on Wednesday are cancelled.

• Health and social care services (adults) and social work services for children: vulnerable clients have been prioritised. If you are aware of an adult or a child at risk, telephone 0800-731 6969. All current day service users should check with their service before attending. No adult lunch clubs will be operated by school kitchens.

• Housing: homeless people or those in need of emergency accommodation should telephone 0131-529 7368. Council tenants needing emergency repairs should telephone 0131-200 2345.

• Refuse collection: households with scheduled Wednesday collections should put out their bin as normal. If your bin is not emptied, put it out again the following Wednesday.


The full article contains 555 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 20 September 2008 1:29 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

20/09/2008 12:00:49
Sack the lot of them, workshy government spongers.

We, the tax payers, pay your wages. Do you think this money is free?
2

DiscoDolly69,

20/09/2008 12:28:30
Yeah sacking everyone is definitely the answer. Then there will be no services at all. And are you going to volunteer to attend to an elderly person and provide their personal care? Or sweep the streets on a Sunday morning that have been puked and p1$hd on by steamin drunks the night before? I doubt it.

The likes of Cosla and the Scottish local authorities will be loving this as they get to save the cash from everyone on strike for the day.
3

alex paterson,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 12:37:09
Let them walk out,with their P45 in their hands,there are plenty of clever imports looking for work.
4

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

20/09/2008 12:37:56
I humbly suggest that taxpayers simply reduce their Council Tax payments by 1/365th of the annual total and repeat the exercise for each new day of strike.

They'll get the message sooner or later...
5

DiscoDolly69,

20/09/2008 12:43:21
#4 You will have SAS types crashing through your windows at 2am with your Council Tax demand if you don't pay the full amount. Every penny is desperately needed for the trams, you know?
6

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

20/09/2008 12:56:52
#2 - There are people who are supposedly desperate for work in this country. Perhaps they should have these jobs, not the ungrateful wretches who are striking.

Someone has to work in industry and generate real money, for the government to rob us off to pay useless layabouts who go on strike at the drop of a hat. I am a professional. I don't get to strike.

And no, I am not offering to do the council's job for them more than I already do - such as sweeping the street outside my flat more regularly than the council.
7

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20/09/2008 13:02:25
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8

DiscoDolly69,

20/09/2008 13:05:30
#6 I think tarring everyone in the Council with the same brush is pretty harsh though. There are plenty of workers who are committed to providing valuable services for the city. Of course there are going to be absolute layabouts in the Council - there are in every company. And no it doesn't make it right and I totally agree with you that these people should be replaced with others who actually want to work. But saying that they are all ungrateful wretches is just cynical.

P.S. - the 'you' in my previous comment sounded like I was singling you out - thing is would anyone like to do either of the jobs I suggested??
9

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 20/09/2008 13:11:20

A pay offer of less than 2.5% is a joke - especially given that it was decided by the ones who don't do any work themselves.

The Council craves money the way a jakey needs his tins of Super T.

Also if it didn't overstaff it could afford to pay its staff properly. I've seen the adverts for ridiculous council jobs in the past:

BMX Wheelie Initiative Officer
Seafish Champion
Arm Wrestling Instructor
Pant Moustache
Widget Tweaker
Clanjamfrie




10

The Sheriff,

20/09/2008 13:26:40
Number 8,you make a valid point on the work to rule,something I have said on many an occassion.What get's up folks noses is that after a days strike things like refuse collections as an example still require to be collected and it appears to be so in the form of overtime.

Number9...I've said this for years,the structure of a percentage pay rise is not the way forward,the way forward is a set amount and here is the reason.

If you say a worker earns £10k and his boss earns £20k,the gap between worker and boss is £10k and gives the worker the focus to perhaps one day enjoying that extra pay for being the boss.By giving everyone the same percentage pay rise what in effect happens is the widening of the finacial gap for no extra effort on the part of the boss example being....

Worker gets 3% rise on £10k to £10,300
Boss gets 3% rise on £20k to £20,600

Difference in pay was £10k prior to percentage rise,difference is now £10,300.

So there you have it a pay rise should be a fixed amount of money irespective of how much you earn or of course you could go the other way and give the worker 3% and the boss 1.5% to maintain the gap but what an outcry that would be. :o)
11

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 13:45:01
Teach these lazy layabouts and sack them all. Give the jobs to folk that will appreciate them - such as the Poles. These council workers think they are worth a lot - in reality they don't do their jobs properly so should have their pay halved. They use any excuse not to empty a bin - take a look at any street after these layabouts have been emptying bins - rubbish lays all over the place. Why can't they be forced to pick up the litter they leave?
12

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20/09/2008 14:33:15
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13

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 15:06:41
No. 12 - the abuse you have given me is totally unacceptable. You are obviously of low intellect, and probably a council worker - and you know I have spoken the truth - and you don't like it. I am reporting you for your foul mouthed abuse.
14

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 20/09/2008 15:24:48

#13 To be fair, the Edinburgh bin collection is of a high standard. Edinburgh garbologists are a much maligned lot - but they are more essential to Edinburgh than self-important cooncillors and financial services middle management.

Central Edinburgh bin collection is twice a week. I know of other places in UK where it's once a fortnight.
15

Tam189,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 15:27:07
The bin men should be kept to the finishing time they are mostly on job and finish and in the house or pub by 1pm when they are payed till around 5pm
16

the watchfull eye,

20/09/2008 15:46:08
no 13 its people like you who are of low or little intellect, and yes i do work for the council. where as your bigoted views on the council as whole shows how little you know about the running of the city. you probably view life from your keyboard, and are probably sitting there most days looking to slag someone or someting off, as you have very little else to do. (GET A LIFE) get out more. lifes for living mate be all you can be numpty.
17

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 20/09/2008 16:14:29

Dunno where this idea comes from about the bin men being lazy - can only assume it is in the Edinburgh tradition of class prejudice??

18

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

20/09/2008 17:06:59
I'm sensing some hostility towards the council workers here. It seems to me they've got a point: inflation is 5% and they're offered 2.5% That's tantamount to a pay cut.

We should save our ire for their bosses.
19

Paddi,

20/09/2008 17:49:52
#18 you conveniently forget that these people are all on gold plated final salary pension schemes which private sector employees can only dream about now that our great leader Gordo has raided and wrecked the private sector FS scheme, once the envy of Europe. Council schemes are underfunded which is one of the reasons why the council finances are in a parlous state, 2.5% pay increase yet no call to pay more into unfinanced pension schemes, why not? they don’t have a right to final salary pension, I think they v lucky to be getting both the pension and a pay rise.
20

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 20/09/2008 18:06:56

#19 a pay raise below the level of inflation wasn't thought up by "council chiefs" to offset the value of workers' pensions, it was thought up because although the "council chiefs" like to collect vast amounts of cash and spend it on cutlery and junkets, they're not very good at counting, and there's not enough cash in the stash to pay a wage that is equal in real terms to what they paid last year.

It's the equivalent of your employer saying "sorry, but I value your work less than I did last year, but for no reason"

The council staff, in this instance, are absolutely right to go on strike.

Just wondering - does the CEC chief exec get a yearly bonus. If so, for why?
21

Paddi,

20/09/2008 18:36:05
#20, a package INCLUDES pensions, Please dont ignore the fact these workers get a gold plated final salary schemes whose deficit has grown over the last 12 months by 7.5%, nothing is ever said about this, unfunded pensions which the taxpayer has to pick up to workers who have jobs for life.

Nothing to do with "valuing" these workers. If the money is not there, what do you suggest is cut to give them more than 2.5% or are you suggesting that the rest of us should put our hands in our pockets once again??
22

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 20/09/2008 18:48:24

#21 - good response. I wasn't sure if the pension was contributory or not.

What I am suggesting is that there is too much government, and that local government is the flabbiest of the lot.

What needs to be done:

Empty the post of Lord Provost and install a mayoral system.

Have a stakeholder form of local government that people can be involved in - hold electronic referenda for stuff like the trams.

Instead of splurging towards the end of each financial year in order to secure a similar budget for the next year, have each department's finances looked at in the third quarter, with any extra funds collected and given back to the council tax payer (city shareholder)

Ban any news stories about Donald/ Ewan. This will save ink.

Have the CEC chief exec and the mayor working out of the same office, and have a meeting face to face with the public once a year.



23

Paddi,

20/09/2008 18:55:53
What gets me is that the public sector is massively bloated, we all know this. Yet these strikers somehow seem to think that the money can be "magiced" from some secret stash somewhere. Where are the cuts going to be made to pay them their demands?? WHERE?

And at a time when 10's of thousands of jobs are on the line with in Edinburgh and Scotland with the LTSB/HBOS takeover. I think they strikers need to consider how very very lucky they are with, their jobs for life and gold plated final salary schemes. Live in the real world.
24

thelostvoice,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 19:32:14
I think it's brilliant that the council are striking over the diabolical payrise, just remember when you have your rally, the police that are policing it received and equally poor payrise for doing a job that is equally high in paper pushing but a hell of a lot more dangerous. If the police could strike, i'm sure a worthy payrise would be forthcoming.
25

the watchfull eye,

20/09/2008 19:36:22
just for the record the pension is contributory, and not everyone is in the pension. as not everyone can afford to pay the contributions towards the pension. especially the lower paid workers, IE the manual staff.
26

Paddi,

20/09/2008 19:49:03
I think they strikers have a damned cheek, thousands of bank staff on the scrap heap and these jokers are demanding more money, where's the money coming from to pay for these pay demands??? what services are going to be cut? the usual union demand when they think they have a bit of clout.

V V few schemes dont ask for a contribution, for Final Salary the average employer pays 15% whilst the member about 5%, for money purchases its the other way around. Its 100x times better than what most private sector workers get, ie money purchase. As for affording it, what rubbish, its a few less pints down the boozer.

27

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 20/09/2008 20:05:38

Once a mayoral system is in place, the respective mayors of Edinburgh and Glasgow should have an annual boxing match to establish which is the superior town.

The bout should take place in a mutually convenient venue e.g. the Morrisons car park where Brockville once stood, or Harthill services.

Any mayor delivering a KO could get a year's supply of Niceday office products from his rival Council's budget for one year.
28

Tommy Tank,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 20:22:13
There is a reason why Edinburgh's council tax is double that of Wandsworth in London. Edinburgh refuses to put its services out to tender. Keeping services such as bin collections in-house means all of us pay more.

Outsourcing is the answer. Get the private sector involved. We will pay less and strikes will be a thing of the past.
29

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 20/09/2008 21:28:55
well it's time for a refund as the service we pay for is not doing what is described on the bottle!

I'm fed up with all this council bin men for example ruling the roast! We can't put out a black back if bucket full, the lid has to be tight, we have to pay for a special uplift if required, when they do empty the bins the droppings from the bins are left on the street, and the bin left up the road a bit away from your front door.

Edinburgh it is time for a complete change of staff!! Plenty people unemployed to fill the posts!
30

Papa? Nicole! Papa?,

20/09/2008 21:34:10
It's all very well saying that the council pay rise is below inflation.

There are people in the private sector not getting any pay rises.

Remember, it's the private sector who is paying for all of this - the government does not magic money out of thin air.

And for the record, I used to work in local government. I think I have just about managed to wash the stench off me.
31

thibor,

musselburgh 20/09/2008 21:47:13
Dissolve this Quiotic confederacy of dunces and find or form an "accountable" private company to take over the duties and obligations to the people of Edinburgh that this lamentable council are so obviously failing to do. For example sixteen million pounds have been slashed from the health and social care budget meanwhile our esteemed council want to spend thirty seven million on a swimming pool!!!!!!!!!!!!!{How can EDC morally justify this}. Ask yourselves honestly "Are we getting value for money"-I think not.
I think council functionaries and employees should should be given performance related pay, Im sure it would not be too long before before there were a glut of council job vacancies!!. And as for bonuses and golden goodbyes for council executives this is little better than legalized theft.
SAVE THE LINKS PROJECT-YOU NEVER KNOW WHEN SOMEONE YOU KNOW WILL NEED US
32

spud the enforcer,

20/09/2008 22:19:05
at the moment it seems that there are far more employed by the state than in the private sector, so if we all do the math then that means we as a country are seeing a diminishing private sector and a bloated public sector, which means we would be unable to run the economy to a surplus, and that the deficit would increase year by year, the public sector need to lose the bloated fat or we are heading for an unsustainable economy,
33

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

20/09/2008 22:33:13
Sack them if they breach their contract conditions.
34

DiscoDolly69,

21/09/2008 04:08:53
#28 Unfortunately one of the big reasons why the private sector is cheaper is because they spend less on training and qualifications for their staff e.g. in such areas as social care you might wish to look up any of the Council social care Care Commission reports as opposed to those in the private sector and you will definitely see a difference.

But I doubt people will people bother about these until they are placing their own family?
35

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 21/09/2008 14:45:47

I don't think the council could run a toy shop, never mind a town of 450000 inhabitants.

If they did own a toy shop though, they'd have endless meetings about what to call the toy shop.

By the time the toy shop opened they'd be thousands over budget, and with a silly name, stupid graphic design for the logo, and a million leaflets about how to use a toy shop written in braille, Gujarati, Polish, Mandarin, esperanto and large type for the myopic.

Cooncil = hopeless outdated numpties.
36

kelly 2,

edinburgh 21/09/2008 18:53:24
What do you lot do for a living?

Work in the finance sector with dogy bonus schemes... and no end of perks... you think that only those who work for local auth or government were at it... the private sector aint that great...
37

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 21/09/2008 19:56:24

I play the synthesizers for Russia'a premier Marillion tribute band. Boris Yelstin said our version of Kayleigh was brilliantski musicski.

38

the watchfull eye,

21/09/2008 21:44:30
mair like you play the fiddle on the dole.

 

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