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Council 'fiddle' keeps schools off crumbling buildings list



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Published Date: 02 October 2008
EDINBURGH schools waiting to be replaced or refurbished have been left off an official list of crumbling buildings.
Scottish Government statistics show Edinburgh has three secondary schools and nine primaries whose buildings are judged to be "poor" and none which are in "bad" condition.

But the list does not include any of the five schools included in the stalled £160 million "wave three" of the city council's modernisation programme.

Boroughmuir, James Gillespie's and Portobello high schools, St Crispin's Special School and St John's Primary School are all officially classed as "satisfactory".

Today the council said it was because the information supplied to the Government was based on a 2003 survey of the city's schools, which it claimed was in line with official guidelines.

But the Government said it expected councils to update their assessment of school buildings each year. And Lothians Labour MSP George Foulkes claimed the statistics were "a fiddle".

The 2008 School Estate Statistics shows Edinburgh has six secondaries, 15 primaries and five special school considered in "good" or category A condition, defined as "performing well and operating efficiently".

Fourteen secondaries, 70 primaries and four special schools are in "satisfactory" or category B condition, defined as "performing adequately but showing minor deterioration". And three secondaries and nine primaries are in "poor" or category C condition, "showing major defects and/or not operating adequately". No city schools were categorised as "bad" or D, "economic life expired and/or risk of failure".

Mr Foulkes said: "We think there is some fiddle going on and they are trying to cover up the fact these schools are in a sorry state."

A report by school inspectors last year said Portobello High's poor heating and ventilation was affecting the performance of students.

Mr Foulkes said: "We know these schools are in a bad way, but this has not been reported by the city council. I think this is because they want to try to minimise the pressure on them for replacement. But you cannot disguise the reality."

A council spokeswoman said the information provided to the Government dated back to 2003. She said: "There are guidelines to say that information can last for five years and we are now in a rolling programme to update the information."

But a government spokesman said: "There seems to have been a mix-up at their end."


REPORT CARD FROM 2003
School buildings rated as "poor" (based on 2003 inspections)
PRIMARIES

Bruntsfield
Craiglockhart
Murrayburn
Royston
St Cuthbert's
Hillwood
Ratho
Westburn
Ferryhill

SECONDARIES

Castlebrae High
Craigroyston Community High
Tynecastle High



Councillors await MacLaren report findings
A DAMNING report into the actions of embattled education leader Marilyne MacLaren will be released to councillors later this month.

Councillor MacLaren accused a parent of leaking information to the Evening News and has been urged to apologise to Lynda Flex, whom she then expelled from the group set up to discuss school closures.

The confidential findings of an internal investigation have already been obtained by the Evening News, and published, but it remains unclear what action will be taken. Opposition politicians have called for her resignation.

At a meeting of the full council on September 18, chief executive Tom Aitchison said he hoped to report to councillors "next week", but that deadline has already passed. Jim Inch, director of corporate services, said: "The chief executive is currently on leave and in his absence I have been taking matters forward.

"Due to the fact that this matter is still ongoing, Cllr MacLaren has been unable to make any comment. I can confirm that the chief executive will report on the investigation at the first opportunity, which will be the next council meeting on October 16."

Mrs Flex has made a complaint to the Standards Commission, which has the power to censure, suspend or ban councillors from holding public office for up to five years. Its investigation is ongoing.



The full article contains 653 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Save Portobello Park,

Duddingston 02/10/2008 11:43:57
The supposedly poor heating and ventilation certainly doesnt affect the portobello high pupils performance at dumping litter in gardens surrounding the school and intimidating older people with their sheer numbers.

Im not saying they dont deserve a new school but why new playing fields, which affectively steals green space off local people. Why infest new streets with hundreds more kids when other are used to it.
2

seanie,

02/10/2008 12:02:53
"Infest"? Charming as ever.
3

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 02/10/2008 12:15:09
#1 - Blinkered NIMBYism of the first degree. You are a disgrace.
4

Journalistic licence,

Portobello High Street 02/10/2008 12:17:12
#1 "intimidating older people with their sheer numbers"

It is quite scary when a bunch of hooded kids run up to you and shout things like '27', '174', '82' etc. at you. I just hand over my cash when they threaten to use fractions.
5

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 02/10/2008 12:22:16

Foulkesy's got a cheek to be talking about fiddles.
6

alex paterson,

edinburgh 02/10/2008 12:23:29
There are schools worse than Porty High,fix them first.
7

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 02/10/2008 12:36:38
#6 - Porty High has already been selected as part of the wave 3 schools most needing to be renewed.
8

Duncan in Edinburgh,

02/10/2008 12:43:32
Ah - the SNP's creative way to achieve their promise to match Labour's schools building programme "brick for brick" - they are just going to say "we done it" and hope nobody notices!
9

Life of a Liberal?,

NIMBY Central 02/10/2008 12:49:48
SAVE PORTOBELLO PARK SAYS-
"Why infest new streets with hundreds more kids when other are used to it."

What he really means is "I hate other kids except my own, keep this away from my house as it might knock the price down"

SEE THE PERSON NOT THE AGE

10

Life of a Liberal?,

NIMBY Central 02/10/2008 12:53:29
OK SAVE PORTOBELLO PARK
Before you reply, if you replaced the kids part of your comment with another age group or an ethnic group you might find yourself answering to the police.
Apologise now.
11

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 02/10/2008 12:59:32

#10 The kids are an infestation of the nation CALL A WAAAMBULANCE

#5 What do you mean? D'you mean like the way they fiddled while Baghdad burned?
12

seanie,

02/10/2008 13:00:15
When they did the prioritisation for the PPP2 schools, back in 2003 funnily enough, only Craigroyston and St Augustines scored worse then Portobello High in terms of condition.

http://porty.org.uk/forum_links/prioritisation-scoring.html
13

Save Portobello Park,

Duddingston 02/10/2008 13:00:24
So nothing to say about them stealing the park?
14

seanie,

02/10/2008 13:05:19
The Council can't steal something it already owns. And it's already committed to finding replacement green space to compensate that lost by relocating the school.
15

The Geniune Mario Antionette,

02/10/2008 13:06:59
Talking about fiddles, what happened to the police corruption investigation into Balfour Beatty - Haden Building Managements attempt to win the schools PFI contact from the Council ?
16

seanie,

02/10/2008 13:15:57
Balfour Beatty were the ones that blew the whistle and the individuals involved were sacked. Don't know what happened to the Police investigation but they were called in.
17

dublinH.F.C.,

DUBLIN 02/10/2008 13:17:58
Save Porty Park

Your kids have probably grown up (although it seems like you dont like kids) probably went to Porty high and you will have had nothing to say about anything then, i'll bet you never worried abou your garden then
18

Save Portobello Park,

Duddingston 02/10/2008 13:18:47
I meant the schoolkids stealing the park off the rest of us.
19

seanie,

02/10/2008 13:22:41
I'm sure that most of those against relocating the school to the park don't have utter contempt for the children in our community.

Though sometimes it's hard to tell.
20

Spock,

02/10/2008 13:24:25
Isn't Councillor MacLaren responsible for schools? Well, come on, where's your favourite photograph of her?
21

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 02/10/2008 13:28:38
Mr Save Portobello Park - Any chance you could give me your address so I can make sure my kids and their friends throw their litter in your garden everyday?
22

Top Floor,

02/10/2008 13:33:00
#20

The photo's in the paper edition, her coat's on a shoogly peg.
23

Top Floor,

02/10/2008 13:34:15

Council in "incorrect information published!" shocker.
24

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 13:37:27
Scandalous but not surprising. Wonder what part of "Duddingston" its from??
25

Top Floor,

02/10/2008 13:37:52
#18

So Portobello Park is you personal property ?

Do local children not have a small stake in it as well ?.....


26

capy,

embra 02/10/2008 13:39:18
Good old Lord Foulkes.. What were your shower doing for the last god knows how many years?
27

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 02/10/2008 13:46:52
#26 Building schools!
28

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 14:06:42
When I say not surprising what I mean is Save Portobello Park is a supporter of Portobello Park Action Group. It often posts a link to their petition. PPAG are fond of dressing their campaign up as a save green space campaign but this direct quote from one of the founders tell us all we need to to know.

"First, I declare an interest¦ I chose to live on Park Avenue. That is, I didn’t stick a pin in a map and I didn’t find it in a lucky bag. My, then pregnant, wife and I selected this area from a variety of alternatives, largely, but not simply, because it overlooks the park and golf course an ideal situation to raise a family in our view. We did, of course, pay a premium for this, but were happy to do so.

In summary, I want to keep the park as it is: because it’s a useful community resource, because it’s a pleasant and enjoyable space, because it’s green and (mostly) peaceful, because it has history, because I like playing and watching golf and football, because it’s the thin end of a big wedge - but mostly - because it’s where I live."

The last 7 words say it all "but mostly - because its where I live". They don't want the school or its pupils anywhere near their properties regardless of the greater good.


29

Jwil,

02/10/2008 14:10:56
Mr Foulkes said: "We think there is some fiddle going on........"

Sounds familiar.
30

seanie,

02/10/2008 14:15:49
And remember that concern about loss of greenspace hasn't stopped PPAG supporters suggesting first Figgate and, more recently, Bingham Parks as alternative locations for PHS.
31

Joe Smith.,

Moscow 02/10/2008 14:17:10

Why doesn't Foulkesy boy step up to the plate and do some refurb work himself instead of sounding off about things he's got no knowledge of?

Or can he not work DIY equipment because of mental retardation as a result of being in the Labour party too long?

Please feel free to get an EEN account Foulkesy, and give an intelligent answer to this question - if you're capable of one!
32

seanie,

02/10/2008 14:26:32
There are children across the city in sub-standard school buildings and yet there's precious little progress in addressing that problem.

I think it might be because Labour, the SNP and the Liberals are far happier slagging each other off than actually doing anything about it.
33

Vincent-W,

02/10/2008 15:13:14
seanie,

between PPP1 and PPP2 the following work is complete or underway:-

12 new Primary Schools
11 new or refurbed secondary school
3 new or refurbed special schools
1 new secure unit
1 community education centre

That's nearly 50% of all secondary schools and 12% of Primary schools and something like £250m spent.
34

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 15:33:02
Not checked the fine detail Vincent but I believe your statement is accurate. Do you have the numbers on new schools that have been commissioned since the SNP took over at Holyrood and the SNP?lib Dems coalition took over CEC?

Think you find its a big fat zero. Not one new school, nada. In this new devolved dawn wea are waiting to see if Quatar wil lend us the money. Not PFI or PPP you understand.
35

seanie,

02/10/2008 15:37:40
PP1 is complete and the committment to PP2 was undertaken during the last administration. Schools like Boroughmuir and Portobello missed out but the urgency of action to replace them had only increased.

And over the last 18 months precious little progress has been made. The Council's been blaming Holyrood, Holyrood's been blaming the Council and Westminster, and all the [political parties have been having a pop at one another.

When are the other schools, that still need replacing or refurbishing, going to have the work done?

Any guesses?
36

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 16:40:07
Mmmmm, sudden shortage of the usual Gnat apologist Bravehearts round these parts whenever new schools or other major projects are mentioned. Don't like to discuss the fact that since the SNP became the Scottish Government, they haven't laid a single new brick anywhere. Not one. Nada.

Scottish Futures Trust = looking for loans from arabs, having no future and not being trusted. More Gnat smoke and mirrors.
37

Ghengis McCann,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 16:46:08
#32, Seanie - Labour did plenty about replacing and refurbishing schools all across the city when they were the Council, but are not now in power and can't do anything.

Lib Dems and SNP are now in power and won't do anything. They haven't laid a single new brick (anything which has happened since May 2007 was either already under way or already contracted).

So let's put the blame squarely where the blame lies on this one, eh? Clue - not even the most rabid of Bravehearts can lay this one at Labour's door, though I dare say that truth won't stop the Tartan Spinners from having a go.
38

Porty Pirate,

The Beach 02/10/2008 16:49:45
We will match brick for brick etc......................
39

ex councillor,

edinburgh 02/10/2008 19:27:27
what a fiddle is correct,but the biggest fiddle of all is the tram,s no wonder Schools are not being built or refurbished, the previous administration officials from the city, the bus company and the various arm lenth companies, in cluding TIE have a conflict of interest,NON OF THEM HAVE A CLUE, ON CONTRACTS THERE SHOULD BE A PENALTY CLAUSE, OF MIN £100,000 PER DAY, WHY NO INVESTIGATION
40

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 22:36:46
39 I quite agree ....

The council would rather find ways of spending money on more staff or employing their buddies companies rather than spend on what they are supposed to be looking after - frontline services ...
41

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 23:22:37
I agree with 38 and 39.

The Lib/Dem/SNP council supported the Trams both before and after getting into power. If you think otherwise, how the hell did it happen? Just take a look at the vote on 21st Dec 2006.

The SNP Government ensured the Trams reached fruition after they got into power. despite promisung otherwise

Neither the SNP Government nor the Lib/Dem SNP council have commisioned any new schools in the last 18 months.

The only baffling thing is ; how come despite all the accusations of corruption and jobs for the boys levelled at previous administration, do we live in such a great city?

It would be a fool that said our council always does the best it could or was always efficient and never made mistakes. It would be a fool that looked at Edinburgh and said anyting other than this a great city and whoever has been in charge has done a pretty good job. Sadly I think its getting worse and not because of the trams. We have completely lost direction and momentum. Can someone please list say 3 signifigant achievements of the current administration?

A
42

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 23:29:02
I meant 39 and 40 oops.
43

Vincent-W,

02/10/2008 23:34:31
Let's not forget that years of non activity in the 70's, 80's and 90's left us all with poor and inadequate schools. No intelligent person is going to say PPP/PFI wasn't without it's flaws. To embark on such an ambitious plan going from zero activity to massive activity was a big ask. Local govt wasn't ready for it, builders and school suppliers weren't geared up for it.

I think we have probably paid over the odds for our new schools, but I don't think the horror stories are nearly as bad as some would have us believe. The danger is that we could throw out the baby with the bath water. Some of the over payment was doubtless due to trying to catch up too quickly.

What's clear, to me, is that councils have to borrow money in some way or another to build schools. Which means paying interest.

I believe it was probably a mistake to stop PFI dead before a modified method of raising the money is fundementally wrong. The whole school building programme in Scotland is in limbo and all the learnings from PFI/PPP are melting away. And before anyone asks 'what learnings' - I would answer - all the relationships between suppliers and subbies, all teh knowledge on drawing up contracts and planning, all the skilled and dedicated workers. Literally thousands of Scottish based workers are running out of work and moving south to BSF. It's not like turning a tap on and off.
44

hey hey shirley,

Edinburgh 02/10/2008 23:44:39
pass the wire brush and dettol, I've got an itch down below
45

miffy the bonfire slater,

03/10/2008 01:32:49
Porty Patsy has a hand in all of this. Sneaky wee nyaff that she is.
46

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 03/10/2008 01:36:53
43 - the only reason why they can't afford our infrastructure is because they are spending it on massive administration.

In the good times it goes unnoticed but now is the time to shrink government and make them understand that serving the people and looking after their interests is infact what they are employed to do !
47

Stevie Mac,

Edinburgh 03/10/2008 11:09:40
Vincent - you are spot on. PPP/PFI was way too costly in its early version. However, as councils and government got more adept the costs were honed and it was altogether fairer. As you say we are only talkng about the effective rate of Interest under any funding mechanism and the neither the SNP nor anyone else in going to find a pot of low interest funds that will undercut the costs of an efficient PPP type scheme.

The SNP hate PFI, I believe this is mainly because the leadership has listened to the sound bites without bothering with the detail. The Scottish Futires Trust will be PPP with a different badge. Meanwhile the schools and other programmes are on hold. To me the SNP have said "we hate leaded petrol, we are working on unleaded but its going to take a few years, we are switching off the petrol pumps until the unleaded is ready" It is no surprise that things have ground to a halt. The government shoud be making hay at the moment, land prices are low, labour costs are low but instead there is inertia at the core.
48

seanie,

03/10/2008 12:49:19
New accounting rules are due to kick in, next year I think, that make it much harder for PPP deals to remain off-balance, one of the principal reasons for PPP in the first place.
49

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 22/10/2008 00:05:31
what.ever.happened.to.colinton.primary.ex.pupil

 

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