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Ex-Lord Provost accused of 'selective memory' over business flights



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Published Date: 07 November 2008
FORMER Lord Provost Lesley Hinds was today accused of hypocrisy in the row over her successor's controversial proposed visit to India.
George Grubb has come under pressure to give up his business class ticket after councillors approved the £6000 taxpayer-funded trip by him and his wife to the Kolkata Book Fair in January.

But SNP deputy council leader Steve Cardownie claimed Coun
cillor Hinds was misleading people when she said she always flew economy class on official trips when she was Lord Provost.

He said she had specifically asked for her and her husband to be upgraded to business class when they travelled to South Africa two years ago.

Councillor Cardownie said: "It's a long journey and if she wanted to go business class I can understand it – but people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones."

He said Cllr Hinds seemed to have a selective memory.

"After permission was given by the Labour executive committee on August 1, 2006 to her, her husband and two officials to visit the Homeless World Cup in Cape Town, travelling tourist class, she sought and was given approval from a senior council official for both her and her husband to upgrade to business class at the cost of £2068.20 each.

"The two officials who accompanied them were confined to the back in economy class."

Labour tried unsuccessfully earlier this week to block the five-day visit to Kolkata, formerly Calcutta, by Councillor Grubb, his wife Liz and an unknown number of officials, arguing that spending thousands of pounds on a non-essential trip in the current economic climate sent out the wrong message.

But Cllr Cardownie said he believed the visit was more justified than Cllr Hinds' South African trip in 2006.

He said: "We had hosted the Homeless World Cup the year before in Princes Street Gardens and she was invited over for the next one.

"It was just handing over a flag or something and they added on a visit to a school in Durban.

"I think the current Lord Provost has more of a claim this time."

The Kolkata Book Fair is the biggest fair of its kind in Asia. A Scotland pavilion, which is expected to attract 50,000 visitors every day, will feature exhibitions by the Edinburgh City of Literature, the National Galleries and the Edinburgh International Book Festival.

A replica of Edinburgh Castle is also being built as the entrance to the Scottish Pavilion.

The British Council is paying for the Lord Provost's accommodation and the council is to ask it to help fund the travel as well.

Cllr Hinds said that she did not remember the exact details of the flight to South Africa and did not have the information to hand.

She said: "I don't want to get into this mud-slinging.

"All I know is I always looked at trips and got the best deal possible."





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  • Last Updated: 07 November 2008 9:42 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh Council
 
1

Astounded of Edinburgh,

07/11/2008 12:00:21
Cardownie is clearly stung by all the flack going the NAT-LIB coalition's way and grasping at anything to throw back.

Methinks he might have been better employed spending some time in Forth Ward instead?
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 07/11/2008 12:14:57
Lesley Hinds always got the best deals,to suit her.
3

Scotish Exile,

07/11/2008 12:35:30
no surprises, councillors living it up in the first class compartment of the gravy train!
4

JayDeeTee,

07/11/2008 12:36:19
Snouts in the trough as usual.
5

Dileas,

07/11/2008 12:53:45
Cllr Hinds said "I don't want to get into this mud-slinging.

"All I know is I always looked at trips and got the best deal possible."

That's right - she got business class tickets agreed, so I can understand her now not wanting to get into mud-slinging - it is being slung at her!
6

Journalistic licence,

07/11/2008 13:00:04
So how do you contact the participants in the Homeless World Cup to let them know the arrangements?
7

Moscow Central 42,

07/11/2008 13:07:46
For once in my life I agree with something Czar Cardownie has said - " people who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. " Wasn't Cardownie the Council's representative in the Ukraine for many years. A vital role of course.
8

roadstohell,

07/11/2008 13:26:43
I am sick of politicians, local and otherwise, they are all hypocrits and self servers.
There are plenty of other ways the "serve human kind", than getting into politics. We all know that the main motivation is self aggrandisment, both of the ego and the purse.
We get the democracy we deserve of course, because these clowns were all voted in (but perhaps we should check even that statement). I think that one way of showing "people power", would be to ignore these numpties @ election times ( when most of them crawl out from under their business class stones)and try to convince us that we need them.
I am scunnered with the lot of them
9

Law Abider,

07/11/2008 13:31:41
"spending thousands of pounds on a non-essential trip in the current economic climate sent out the wrong message"

What planet are these self-important people on? It's not the message which is wrong - the whole thing is wrong. What right do these idiots on the council have to spending our hard-earned cash on holidays abroad? A book fair?

I work in the private sector where we care about our company's image and how we're perceived. Like everyone else, we're affected by the credit crunch and turmoil in the financial markets. We've cancelled all non-urgent travel and expenses, and cancelled our Christmas party because we manage our cash carefully and work to strict budgets. Unlike the council. Who make their own rules, don't care about our money, and answer to no-one.
10

jdships,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:09:23
Why do politicians , local or otherwise,need to be "wanabees"
I am sure I am not alone in being sick of the selfgratification , posturing , hypocrisay or whatever you want to call it of these people.
Why else do they "take" this job than to become "famous" ?

I.E to name but a few
We have Alec Salmond trying to be a latter day "Bonnie Prince Charlie" , Jenny Dawe trying to sound intelligent when making a speech , George Grubb trying to be i'm not quite sure what , Cardownie having at least his twentieth go at being somebody and looking like failing yet again !
11

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

07/11/2008 14:15:26
I am, like, so not affected by the credit crunch it's unbelieveable. I'm eating three cakes, all at the same time.
12

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 14:48:56
Why does Jim Inch persist in hiding behind the term 'a senior council official'? - everybody knows he's Uncle Tom Aitchison's Enforcer.
#9 - with you all the way - I'd just like buckets emptied, libraries open when I'd like to use them, roads kept in a half-decent state of repair, a few public lavvies; that kind of thing. I don't want toon cooncillors swanning about the world stage.
13

tomias,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:00:07
Hello Genuine- surely you meant to write that you were eating cake, not a cake.
Sorry to pick you up on that albeit your royalty erimine.
14

Alberto.,

07/11/2008 15:12:40
Before this nice sounding 'little jolly' gets under way, and in view of, not only the current financial situation - but the usually general money situation of most Councils nowadays - has there been considered the question of 'What - apart from some enormous expense, will the citizens of Edinburgh / Scotland gain from this 'jaunt!'

How 'literally' qualified - as one would expect someone to be in attending a 'Book Fair', are the participants - which I would have thought was first priority, or was this matter defeated easily because the 'right people' happened to have suitable 'Empty Windows' in their diaries - probably as always for when these extremely politically important 'occasions' arises??

It would appear to me that considering the general state of things in Edinburgh / Scotland, plus the latest financial chaos that has arisen ‘overnight’, it should be plain to see, by any ‘concerned elected official’ and what they are supposed to represent, as their sworn duty when elected, that there is much to do at Home ‘in’ Scotland’ to keep them fully occupied in executing these duties as they should be doing - and there should be no chance whatsoever of ‘abandoning’ their posts, until these ‘home’ problems are resolved!!

Isn’t that what our political crowd are elected for, although they seem to prefer not to notice, especially if the sun is shining brighter somewhere else - and with the greatly added attraction of getting there is entirely ’Free!’


15

dba,

Haymarket 07/11/2008 15:17:58
Pardon me, Mr. Cardownie - talk about pot, kettle and black!

HOW MANY Council funded 'freebies' have you had over the past TWENTY YEARS. I also seem to remember a torn pair of 'designer trousers' that COULD have been invisibly repaired and a good few other expense bones of contention down through the years!

Now that you've left the Labour Party and 'jumped ship' to the SNP - some of thOse who have watched you and listened to you for years did harbour some hopes that you might discover some fiscal sense and integrity...FAT CHANCE - you witter on endlessly about the plethora of festivals that do'great things' for the city - conveniently fogetting all of the free invites and hospitality that you and your fellow councillors enjoy while we, the ordinary citizens have to put up with the disruption and increased costs on the rates.

As for you calling Councillor Hinds hypocritical THAT REALLY IS A COMMENT TOO FAR.... LOOK IN THE MiRROR - IF YOU DARE!
16

Alberto.,

07/11/2008 15:18:22
Posted twice!
Scond posting typed 'v e r y s l o wl y' in case the first post was typed two fast to read, for the participants to this 'Book Fair' as it seems they are also very slow to catch on to Public response!!!
**************

Before this nice sounding 'little jolly' gets under way, and in view of, not only the current financial situation - but the usually general money situation of most Councils nowadays - has there been considered the question of 'What - apart from some enormous expense, will the citizens of Edinburgh / Scotland gain from this 'jaunt!'

How 'literally' qualified - as one would expect someone to be in attending a 'Book Fair', are the participants - which I would have thought was first priority, or was this matter defeated easily because the 'right people' happened to have suitable 'Empty Windows' in their diaries - probably as always for when these extremely politically important 'occasions' arises??

It would appear to me that considering the general state of things in Edinburgh / Scotland, plus the latest financial chaos that has arisen ‘overnight’, it should be plain to see, by any ‘concerned elected official’ and what they are supposed to represent, as their sworn duty when elected, that there is much to do at Home ‘in’ Scotland’ to keep them fully occupied in executing these duties as they should be doing - and there should be no chance whatsoever of ‘abandoning’ their posts, until these ‘home’ problems are resolved!!

Isn’t that what our political crowd are elected for, although they seem to prefer not to notice, especially if the sun is shining brighter somewhere else - and with the greatly added attraction of getting there is ’Free!’
17

dba,

HAYMARKET 07/11/2008 15:28:03
TO NUMBER (9) AND ALL OF THE OTHER GOOD FOLK WHO ARE 'SCUNNERED' both with the 'former Ambassador to Kiev and the baltic states' AND the PROFLIGATE conduct of the current NAT/LIB coalition.... they ARE accountable to the electorate of the City. PLEASE REMEMBER the £10 MILLION deficit, the draconian cuts to charities and support groups around the city at virtually zero notice: the pending confirmation of increased costs over budget of £30 MILLION...and then think about the Book Fair trip (£6,000+) and the 'Dress the city Centre Up' which WILL cost (having been 'passed' by the Council and cost £1.3 MILLION.

Come the next elections - lets think abou the GOOD OF THE CITY, forget the traditional cant and REAL hypocracy of 'political parties and dogma' and vote the current bunch of self-seeking, self-aggrandising and self-justifying 'freeloaders OUT OF OFFICE!
18

Alberto.,

07/11/2008 15:36:13
#See under Top Story today - Souter on Hovercraft service!

*********************
"Phil Wheeler, Edinburgh city council's transport convener, said: "We can see there would be many benefits in developing a link between Edinburgh and Fife. It is something we would like to see happen, but unfortunately we have no immediate plans because of the council's current financial position."
**************
Seems to say it all about un-necessary little jollies that really cannot be afforded or deemed essential for the good of Edinburgh / Scotland!
19

Thomas the Tank,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:43:40
#19 - How about an underwater Monorail to Fife? Oops - better be careful - some Lunatic at Das Kooncil or TIE might just take up the idea.
20

CEE DEE,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 15:52:16
Ah Stevie boy - think back on the headline you managed to get in the papers a few years ago.

"RIP-OFF MERCHANT; Council chief slammed over pounds 310 bill to replace his torn trousers."(News)

Do you still think you have a right to bitch about expenses - I think not!
21

DHS,

Edinburgh 07/11/2008 16:27:30
And why is the provosts wife being paid for?
22

Local Lass,

South Queensferry 07/11/2008 17:13:15
#22 to make sure he doesn't wear his pants outside his trousers.....
23

Finbarr Saunders,

07/11/2008 17:21:25
Let's just assume that all The City of Edinburgh Councillors have their snouts in the trough unless the EEN can give us stories that demonstrate that any of them has an ounce of integrity.
24

Labour Sleeze Reporter,

07/11/2008 18:20:12
#24 Finbarr. SPOT ON.
25

Jingling Geordie,

Sunshine on Leith 07/11/2008 18:34:08

£2068 for an upgrade to business class!!! that's twice the cost of councilor Cardownie's mobile phone bill when he was on his reguler junkets to Keiv.

They should take them all to the "Black Hole of Kalkata" and throw them in.

The only train that's never late is the "Gravy Train"
26

roadstohell,

07/11/2008 18:44:36
If these "leaders" of our community are truly interested in helping the people of Edinburgh, then let them show it by their actions. WE the citizens seem to be "milked" to pay for everything under the sun, ranging from the Tram farce right down to these scroungers NOT even using the mis-named "honesty box" to pay for their lunches.

We the citizens put up with the city being dug up and becoming an infuriuating nightmare of road blocks masquerading as works,and these guys swan off on junkets !!!!!!!!!

Shame, shame, and thrice shame...........

If this ridiculous trip goes ahead, it will show exactly what these people think of us, the ordinairy people of Edinburgh, in short they will be showing total contempt for the electorate............

ONLY we can halt this gravy train, by exercising our vote, don't listen to their ridiciulous sales pitches,
show contempt of the electorate and suffer the consequences............
THEN you can look for proper jobs like the rest of us, if you can find one, as I'm not at all sure many of you are capable of gainful employment.

Enough whingeing.............I have no confidence in these people.............. remember all these instances of arrogance & contempt, and when the time comes, BOOT EM OUT !!!!!!!!!!!
27

roadstohell,

07/11/2008 18:46:04
To arms , to arms..............throw up the barricades
28

roadstohell,

07/11/2008 18:54:45
ooops, no need for barricades, the streets of Edinburgh are impassable anyway !!!!!!
29

Alberto.,

07/11/2008 19:25:05
#19!

But is anybody listening and 'taking it in?'- it seems not to be!
30

COLINTON.MAINS,

Oakville Ontario 08/11/2008 00:44:24
while.the.city.falls.to.vandals.GRUBB.goes.to.INDIA
31

miffy the bonfire slater,

11/12/2008 23:51:27
#12 same as how you persist in hiding behind asshole Basa etc, now shut up you pr1 ck

 

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