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£41k bonus for ex-tram boss as staff pot slashed

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Published Date: 16 June 2009
FORMER trams boss Willie Gallagher is to pick up a £270-a-day bonus for the seven-and-a-half months he worked before quitting the troubled project – but other staff at tram firm TIE are having their bonuses slashed.
The Evening News understands bosses at the council-owned company have ruled the bonus pot for 2008-9 is to be cut from around £600,000 to £100,000 after the Newhaven to airport line slipped behind schedule and over budget.

It is believed that ex-chief executive Mr Gallagher, who was on a £170,000-a-year salary, will pick up £41,000 of the reduced pot for his work from April to November last year when he quit the scheme.

A further £41,400 of the £100,000 bonus pot due to the rest of TIE's top executives – including new chief executive Richard Jeffrey – has been voluntarily deferred until the end of the project.

The remainder of the bonuses for 2008-9 have been shared by around eight TIE workers, who each picked up an average of £2,500.

It is not clear how many of TIE's executives volunteered for deferring their bonuses and the criteria for a new bonus scheme has still to be worked out.

Transport bosses, who today ordered a wider review of how bonuses for TIE staff actually relate to the work being carried out on the ground, today insisted bonuses will only be paid where there has been genuinely outstanding individual performance.

Richard Jeffrey, TIE's chief executive, said: "Bonuses are an important tool in the recruitment, retention and motivation of staff.

"It is right that outstanding performance is rewarded but equally we cannot ignore the environment we operate in and the current status of the project.

"For example, some individuals have been to extraordinary lengths during the difficult negotiations with contractors and others have played their part in seeing this complex project through its first stages.

"We believe that this year's bonuses strike a better balance between staff management and the expectations of the people of Edinburgh."

He added: "Whilst respecting existing contracts, we will be undertaking a review of the whole bonus system at TIE, looking at ways to better link rewards for individuals to the overall performance of the project."

TIE came under fire in April when the News revealed tram staff have already picked up nearly £1 million in bonuses since the start of the scheme without a single tram track being laid.

Although Mr Gallagher did not pick up a pay-off when he resigned from TIE, he was due some money from a bonus structure which would have seen him pick up a total of £340,000 if he had stayed the course.

When the tram scheme got under way a bonus pot of around £3m was up for grabs if the controversial project was kept on time and in budget.

TIE employees are entitled to bonuses for their individual performance, as well as the overall performance of the project.

Last year the News revealed the then tram chief executive Willie Gallagher's basic salary had almost doubled in a year to £170,000.


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1

Council Insider,

Council HQ 16/06/2009 11:55:03
No Comment!
2

Dragonlord,

16/06/2009 11:55:51
Why are we paying bonuses to failed employees? Infact why are we paying bonuses whenthe project is over budget and behind time? The whole system of bonuses to people who are already well paid is wrong. If they won't scrap the trams they must SCRAP BONUSES FOR FAILURE!
3

alfonsa pedrosa,

embra 16/06/2009 11:57:27
Not a bad brown envelope,and he did nothing to deserve it.
4

Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 11:58:28





Jeezo
5

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 12:07:46
My bet is that this thread will go to over 150 posts.
6

Flair Gun,

16/06/2009 12:09:51
not light at the end of this tunnel - love to tram something up his
7

James (1),

16/06/2009 12:10:24
Well that should help him come to terms with his "personal reasons" for giving up the job. After all the tram line is on budget and on time so it is only right he gets his bonus.
What? It's not on budget or on time? So we are paying him a bonus for failing to achieve what he set out to do.
8

Hibernia,

16/06/2009 12:10:28
A bonus for what exactly - being p@nts at what he did.
9

Flair Gun,

16/06/2009 12:10:28
*no light at the end of this tunnel - love to tram something up his
10

Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 12:10:30
Tramradge

What bonus does Auld Mckay get? A bag of Werthers Originals, a bunnet and a cardigan with suede elbow patches?

11

Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 12:10:56
Personal Jesus
12

Dorian,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 12:13:11
So the staff from the Tie firm, which is ruining businesses all over Edinburgh with these daft trams, is getting shafted by one its own, diddums.

"TIE employees are entitled to bonuses for their individual performance, as well as the overall performance of the project." They should owe money and not be entitled to a bonus.
13

Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 12:14:45
RICHARD JEFFREY SAID

Richard Jeffrey, TIE's chief executive, said: "Bonuses are an important tool in the recruitment, retention and motivation of staff."

So, can you Jeffrey (or Zippy or Bungle) tell us whether you are trying to recruit, retain, or motivate the Gallagher?

Jeezo.

kill the trams

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James Collins,

16/06/2009 12:24:57
I don't feel I need bonuses at work. I get paid enough (and a lot less than Mr Gallagher) and wouldn't demand a bonus just for turning up when I hadn't done something very special.
15

Big bob 79,

16/06/2009 12:28:09



Where are the Pro trammies saying this guy was value for money and these bonuses were deserved?


The Jam man may be many things but its clear he was not a foul and milked the idiots at the CEC for all the money he could, no wonder the project is over budget when they hand out so much cash to failures
16

TankEngine,

Uphall 16/06/2009 12:30:04
It's beggars belief that they are paying bonuses for an incompetently run project.
17

The Judge,

16/06/2009 12:37:08
hahahahahahahahaha

There's not much else to say apart from well done The SNP Group & their Dear Leader Steve "do you know who I am?" Cardownie.

Was the 4 years in power worth it boys & girls? The SNP will never be trusted again, why would anybody believe a single word in your next manifesto when you jumped into bed with The Lib Dems at the first chance you got.

16 months till opening day...have they laid a single inch of track yet?
18

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16/06/2009 12:40:32
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vote them out,

lets store spent nuclear fuel 16/06/2009 12:40:50


The tram design is modern and ugly, not like the old trams, the stupid idiots did not even have the sense to go retro. What else can the council do to destroy the natural heritage and architecture of the city. I know lets nominate Edinburgh city as a safe storage space for spent nuclear fuel! The council can pocket a few quid out of that and the provost can keep his SO licience plate on his Lexus.







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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 12:42:33
yes cash for the boys well what do you expect ,this was wanted by labour/tory/fib dems
council run contracts ,with labour yes men in charge,when it gets tough resign and cop a huge payment
no where else is failure rewarded so high,and yet this council want to cut cut cut
more slashing than sweeny todd on acid
21

Foo,

16/06/2009 12:47:44
I'd rather the money was spent on the tram network rather than on ex-employees.
22

AKH,

Dalkeith 16/06/2009 12:56:34
Nothing exceptional has been delivered on this project what with delay,overspend and much more disruption than originally thought.
The bonuses are not deserved.
Cancel the tram project now.
23

Mykel Mzoritz,

16/06/2009 12:58:16
Surely if someone resigns they give up any bonuses?

Foo "I'd rather the money was spent on the tram network rather than on ex-employees"

I'd rather there was a tram network rather than a dodgy tramLINE.
24

Ackey,

16/06/2009 13:05:35
TRAMS = JOKE
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Foo,

16/06/2009 13:06:52
24

Clever, I see what you did there.
26

reincarnated,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 13:26:03
Half past one and we're only at 26. Maybe people are just resigned to this bo11ocks now.
27

Bill MacD,

16/06/2009 13:33:19
He deserves every penny for putting up for all the moaning from all the nutters and whingers who sound off here so comically every day when prodded like laboratory animals by the News!
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16/06/2009 13:34:28
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Incandescent,

16/06/2009 13:35:17
#27 "Bill McD"

Er, the only "nutter" here is you...Jenny.
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16/06/2009 13:42:58
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The Judge,

16/06/2009 13:45:21
#26 Most people are resigned to the fact that The SNP & their Lib Dem partners are going to force this project through no matter what the cost to the city and the council tax payers will be.

They won't tell us how much it's going to cost & where the extra money is coming from.

They won't tell us where it will run to & how many stops there will be.

They won't tell us when it will open & how much it will cost to ride it.

They won't tell us what's going to happen to Lothian Buses when it all goes wrong.

Local democracy in action.

32

Mince Pie Supper,

16/06/2009 13:54:25
Poor Wullie.
33

Hibernia,

16/06/2009 13:58:20
He will be able to afford to get on the top deck with Tony now.
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Skip McClendon,

16/06/2009 14:00:32
Richard Jeffrey, TIE's chief executive, said: "Bonuses are an important tool in the recruitment, retention and motivation of staff."

Hmmmm....I would have to question this strategy. Retention of staff? Didn't Tramcar Willie leave after only 8 months? Recruitment? Of carpet-baggers, maybe. And motivation? I'm sure they are motivated...to receive their bonuses, and to ride-the gravy-tram as long as possible, despite the damage being done and the massive delays and funding problems.
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16/06/2009 14:02:10
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JulesF,

Kirkliston 16/06/2009 14:10:44
They should give bonuses as shares in the bus companies instead of cash !
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Statsman,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 14:20:57
All aboard the gravy tram. Ding! Ding!
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Mince Pie Supper,

16/06/2009 14:24:02
When do the Trams start?
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16/06/2009 14:38:47
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Mince Pie Supper,

16/06/2009 14:45:47
Why do the Trams start?
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Skip McClendon,

16/06/2009 15:29:15
If a tram falls in a forest, and no-one is there to hear it, does it make a sound?
42

tomias,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 15:51:52
Wearing masonic cuff links
43

Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 17:49:30
Are Oasis still paying Tony McCarroll?
44

Incandescent,

16/06/2009 17:58:19
#43 Tony

Have you also "heard it from the horses mouth" that they'll be fitted with stairlifts? Otherwise, how will you get up to your beloved top deck?
45

eDUCATIon,

16/06/2009 18:02:31



Roll on swinfe flu!! Tonys chest is best!!
46

Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:06:39
It is nothing short of disgraceful that considering the dire state the tram project finds itself in at the moment, any bonuses have been paid out at all.

Just look at the smug grin on Willie Gallagher's face in the picture above. Yes it was taken at a time when he was in charge of this fiasco, but he's clearly laughing all the way to the bank - and he knows it.

This unwanted, unnecessary and hugely wasteful project needs to come to an end NOW.

Any bonuses which have so far been paid out should immediately be returned in full by the individuals who cleverly put themselves in a position to scam as much money out of the public purse as possible.

Those who fail to do this should then be properly named and shamed and, like certain MPs, be forced out of their current positions and have their dirty, deceptive laundry aired in public.
47

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:25:30
Stories like this are indicative of the way that TIE and the City Council has a complete disregard for anything to do with sound financial management.

How old Wil-lie Gallagher could qualify for a bonus when the tram project is years behind and God only knows how many tens of millions over budget and when Audit Scotland expressly criticised TIE when reviewing the EARL project is a disgrace. Furthermore, in the real world if you choose to resign during the year you do not qualify for any annual bonus.

I am just waiting for the next story on what his pension is - after all that 100% salary increase would have boosted it massively given he is no doubt on a final salary scheme.

Time to fill in the holes, sack all at TIE for gross incompetence and mothball this utter vanity project.
48

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:27:17
#50 - Tony, your imaginary friends don't count.
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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 18:31:44
Nobody wants the trams save for a handful of tram radges like Bill MacArthur and T-Gone.

No amount of EEN comments will change the reality that trams are a money-wasting, ill-conceived, badly planned useless mess of a project that has been an obscene - yes, that's right - obscene - waste of taxpayer money.

The project will of course limp on, and some (like Gallagher) will benefit, but the ordinary Edinburgh resident's experience of this is that it's been a ****ing shambles from day one.

Trams won't make any change to the economy or the ecology. Anyone who thinks they will is either nuts or has the title Cllr on their chequebook.

The pro-tram argument won't be won when the tramline opens. It won't be won when the tramline loses money. It won't be won when they have to use Lothian Buses as financial ballast.

The pro-tram argument won't win. Because it can't.

I knows it, you knows it, we all knows it.

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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:31:59
#48

Once again Tony, you show us all exactly what sort of person you really are - an ill-informed, immature old fool who simply does not care one iota about Edinburgh or those who live in it.



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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 18:33:17
F*** THE TRAMS

insult to the city.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:37:44
#53

Very, very well said.

It's people like Gorgie Tony and Foo who are so blinkered in the extreme they simply overlook the fact that astronomical sums of taxpayers money is being needlessly squandered on the tram project a daily basis.

Common sense must prevail. This DISGRACEFUL waste of public money has to stop, the tram project HAS to cancelled with immediate effect.

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Julien Donkey Kong,

16/06/2009 18:38:16
EXCLUSIVE: SIXTY FOOT CHICKEN IN SHED 'AGNOSTIC' ABOUT TRAMS

Gorgie's most famous resident, the Sixty Foot Chicken, yesterday backtracked from his tram-backing when he said "I'm agnostic about the trams". It is beleived that the Sixty Foot Chicken doesn't know what a tram is and is confusing light rail systems with God.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:42:39
#58

Every person I know thinks the tram project is a scandalous waste of money and none of them are in favour of it, not any of them.

As GrahamH says Tony, your imaginary friends don't count..


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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 18:43:56
By the way, you picked your plot yet Tony?

Tick, tock...


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Dragonlord,

16/06/2009 19:11:54
50# Euan - you say 'unwanted project' - who says it's unwanted?

Tony unless you are completely stupid I'm sure you must have noticed that the vast majority of posters on here are against the tram line.
You claim everyone you know wants it, why not get them to come on here and say so .Then we will all know how many freinds you have( my guess is none) as no-one could call such an obnoxious,odious person their freind.
57

Foo,

16/06/2009 19:13:02
#56 Euan

There's plenty who support the trams, stop bringing my name up all the time. Most people have just given up replying because of the personal abuse your lot dish out. Oh, and don't mention me and Gorgie_tony in the same paragraph, I hate that disgusting little poison dwarf and I suspect he only supports the trams in order that he may troll you day in day out.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 19:49:41
#63

Foo

'plenty who support the trams' - come on Man, you know that's nonsense, you KNOW it is!

By the way, any comments that are made against you, you bring those responses on yourself.

Fair enough with mentioning you in the same sentence as Gorgie_Tony, won't do it again, you're not THAT ignorant..


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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 19:56:48
#64 Silly old man.

Just not sure what you're on about in post #49.

All I was doing was comparing certain MPs who were forced out of their jobs due to financial irregularities with certain TIE employees involved in the tram project who SHOULD be forced out of their jobs for the same reason.

By the way, you ain't responded to post #61

Tick, tock..
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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 20:01:29
#67 Silly old man

I just don't know what you're on about.

Tick, tick..
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 20:08:52
I thought that this bonus was dependent on the project being delivered on time and on budget. That is clearly not the case and, therefore, no bonus should be paid.

In fact, Willie Gallacher repeatedly claimed the project was on time/budget when it was obviously not. He, therefore, lied and should be penalised appropriately.

By way of light relief for us all, in case you haven't seen it, you may enjoy this (watch the section between 5 minutes and 7 minutes): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dd6dA6bbWBs.

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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 20:10:35
#70 Silly old man

When exactly did I wish you dead?

All I'm saying is that a man of your age you should make sure he's prepared for what could happen in the very near future, that's all.


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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 20:15:19
#71

Hi Sarah

Well said. How can Gallagher get away with his lies? He shouldn't be allowed to and should be made to pay back every penny he's clawed out of the public purse through, what is effectively, deceit.

Not only this, he should also be forced to explain his appalling handling of tram project during his time in charge.
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Euan,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 20:23:28
#76

Silly old man.

Tick, tock...
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:23:41
i see tony isspanking his monkey over the trams,he blames the SNP council for it,when in fact the first papers approved for it was published 19th jan 2006
press release 20 January 2006

PRESS RELEASE, 20 January 2006

City Council Set to Confirm Funding for Tram Network
The proposed tram network will receive a boost if the City of Edinburgh Council approves a report next week, which recommends a Council financial contribution of £45m.

The report is published today (19 January) and will be discussed at a meeting of the Full Council next Thursday (26 January). If approval is given then the first phase of the tram scheme will go ahead within the proposed budget, subject to Parliamentary approval.

The Scottish Executive is also indicating its willingness to take account of construction price inflation by indexing its existing principled capital commitment of £375m. This is subject to a final decision of Scottish Ministers pending receipt of a confirmed scheme from the Council and a robust business case. This would take the Scottish Executive funding to £490m.

Together with the commitment of £45m from the City of Edinburgh Council's capital funds, this means that a total of £535m is available. As the full tram scheme, encompassing two tram lines, is projected to cost £634m (£715m if the additional contingency is added), a prudent view is being taken which means that the full route will be built in phases.

Trams are set to be introduced in Edinburgh to accommodate the increasing demands of a growing city. Trams have been proven to boost economic growth, encourage more people to use public transport and travel into the city centre and improve accessibility for people with disabilities. It is estimated that 13 million passengers would use this first phase of the Edinburgh Tram Network during its first full year of operation.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:24:26
cont
Pending parliamentary approval for the network, the first phase will see the tram between Edinburgh Airport to Leith Waterfront via Haymarket and Princes Street being built. The projected cost of construction for this would be £484m, including a contingency figure of £55m. This section has been prioritised as it directly links the major growth areas of the city. Major housing and commercial developments are either under construction or planned at the airport/Gogarburn/West Edinburgh and Leith Waterfront and the tram is needed to support these and link them with the city centre. This first phase of the tram development could be extended to include the section of Line 1 from Haymarket to Granton Square via Roseburn. This is estimated to cost an additional £75m and could be accommodated within the current funding estimates if prudent levels of contingency, as above, prove not to be required.

The Council remains committed to seeking funding for subsequent phases which involves the Granton to Leith section along the Waterfront and Ingliston to Newbridge. The associated land is safeguarded for this later tram development.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:25:53
cont
1 The Council's contribution of £45million would come from a range of sources related to tram development income and receipts, rather than from general funds or from Council Tax. This will include, for example, land contributions by the Council, anticipated development gains accruing to the Council on Council owned sites and contributions from developers along the proposed tram routes, the largest contribution will come from Forth Ports from their expanding development interests along with other capital sources


This approach has been discussed and agreed by all the major partners in the Edinburgh tram project: the City of Edinburgh Council, Scottish Executive, tie Limited, Transport Edinburgh Limited, Lothian Buses plc and Transdev Edinburgh Tram Limited, the proposed operator of the tram network.


Councillor Andrew Burns, Executive Member for Transport, for the City of Edinburgh Council said: "The Council's pledge to contribute £45m towards the construction and implementation of tram lines 1 and 2 is a great step forward in seeing the scheme come into being.


"The proposed first phase will ensure that the main thoroughfares in key employment and development areas between the west of the city and Leith are served before moving onto linking areas of social exclusion and existing business with many of the main community and leisure destinations.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:26:26
cont
"The final cost of the scheme will not be confirmed until the tender process has been completed this summer; however, it is unlikely that the outlined cost will rise above already stated levels. When this cost is known as an absolute figure then we will be able to assess whether funding is available to ensure the building of the route between Haymarket to Granton Square via Roseburn as part of the first phase of construction."


Councillor Donald Anderson, Leader of the City of Edinburgh Council said: "Edinburgh is growing and we need to develop a world-class transport system to accommodate this growth. Our goal is to be the most sustainable, successful city in Western Europe by 2020 and investment in transport is key to achieving this. Trams are an efficient modern way for us all to get to work, go to the shops, get away on the holiday from the airport or get to sporting events and concerts.


'This will be the best planned tram development in the UK and Ireland. Having drawn on the experience of trams in other cities this gives us a scheme that can be delivered on budget without any addition to the Council Tax with a rock solid business case. This will help make Britain's best city even better.'


Michael Howell, Chief Executive of tie limited, said:

"This paper, which goes to Full Council on 26 January, proposes a significant level of financial support from the City of Edinburgh for the tram network, and is most welcome.
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:27:01
cont
Michael Howell, Chief Executive of tie limited, said:

"This paper, which goes to Full Council on 26 January, proposes a significant level of financial support from the City of Edinburgh for the tram network, and is most welcome.


"It sets the scene for further progress. We are hopeful that the next step will be a response from Transport Scotland concerning indexation of the £375m grant which was committed to the project in 2003. Any such commitments will of course be contingent upon the granting of Royal Assent to the tram bills, and the details of the final business case later in 2006, when firm cost quotes are received.


"A proposed first phase of the project is also outlined. tie's firm commitment is to deliver the entire Line One and Line Two network. However, by phasing the work, it will be prudently matched on a progressive basis to the available funding.


"We welcome this latest and very important step in the delivery of a world class transport network for a world class city."


Neil Rennilson, Chief Executive of Transport Edinburgh Limited said: "We are greatly encouraged by this significant financial commitment the City Council is set to make next week, which clearly demonstrates a vision and ambition for a first-class integrated public transport network for a great Capital City."


"The support from the Scottish Executive is tremendous, and the indication that they are considering increasing their funding is hugely appreciated."
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:27:33
cont
The decision to concentrate efforts on building the key section of tramway from Ocean Terminal to the Airport, via Princes Street, makes absolute sense, as it gives the greatest benefits from both economic development and transport viewpoints."


"There is no doubt that this tram scheme will be a major boost for the city from many perspectives. All in all, this is excellent news for the city itself and for public transport users."


-ends-
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:31:33
the snp wanted to scrap it but lib dems ,tory and labour wanted it ,it was voted through by the 3 unionist parties
snp had to let it go through as a democratic vote had been taken,the snp does not run the council it is a joint run with lib dems,thus ensuring a lib dem lord provo,as labour hinds still wanted to cling on toit
easy to blame a party you really hate isnt it
now in the words of MEL BROOKS ,in blazing saddles
GO BLOW IT OUT YER ER-SE
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16/06/2009 20:49:08
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brianmca3,

auld reekie 16/06/2009 20:50:48
scottish parli is run by snp admin,minority gov,as we have seen,the 3 unionist parties voted in favour,thus in a democratic society the majority vote holds sway
or would you rather salmond and swinney had said beat it nae money for the cra-p trams
and when this ends up a white elephant ,will you as a supporter pay up to compensate the losses?
yes they were told no more cash,but as usual the dummy throwers ganged up because they are still raw at scotland booting them out the parli,and booted out the council
so lets see if they do make a difference,if they dont ,you will have to endure endless reminders
now we see broon trying to destroy the powers of the scottish parli via the calman report
any party in power who raises the taxes more than what is paid next door in england will be booted out
this is broons way as he put it "ill do anything to save the union"
even destroy or ruin a democraticaly elected parli
they thought scotland will always return labour and assumed the votes were in the bag
but when yo assume you get ASS-U-ME
that is what labour has done to the scottish electorate for over 50 years
like mushrooms ,scots kept in the dark,and fed on dung
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 20:58:05
Tony (87) - I believe that it was David McLetchie who suggested that the government's contribution should be capped at £500m and all parties supported that motion.
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 21:01:57
Tony (91) - Labout was in charge of the country when the tram scheme was approved.

When the SNP subsequently came to power, there was a debate in parliament on the tram scheme where all representatives, other than the SNP, voted to continue with the project but the funding was then capped at £500m.
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Sarah B,

Edinburgh 16/06/2009 21:11:10
Euan (74) - Poor project management and lack of financial control is bad enough but downright lying is completely unacceptable.

Most of our politicians rely on the likes of Willie Gallagher for their information and want to hear only "good news". They then perpetuate whatever misinformation they are given. How often did we hear Councillors Dawe and Wheeler claim that the tram scheme was on time/budget? Having then misled the public themselves, they are obviously wholly unwilling to hold to account the officials who have deceived them, not least because they would then have to admit there is a problem and deal with it.

It is a very depressing and endlessly repeated syndrome of misinformation and manipulation on the part of officials (who stand to gain much financially) and the ignorance, incompetence, gullibility and arrogance of politicians (who have a political agenda). However, there are always two constant factors: the public will pay and the no-one will be held accountable.
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krusty the klown,

16/06/2009 22:05:46
#60 - please do not speak as if you have the mandate of the Scottish people.
Every person I know thinks the tram project is an excellent idea and all are in favour of it. As GrahamH says Euan, your only imaginary friend don't count..

I suggest you collect your toys and get back into the tram
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Julian.,

edinburgh 16/06/2009 22:21:33
Dragonlord,

Oh well, that proves it. The majority of posters here are againt the trams so the rest of the population must be the same.

Did it ever occur to you that this might not be a representative sample, and that those who are pro-tram either don't bother commenting because they know it's inevitable...or comment just for a bit entertainment.

Meanwhile is it possible that all those anti-trammers vent their frustrations on this site or, like Euan, are suffering from a strange delusion that their protests here will actually make one whit of a difference.
79

Cabbie,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 07:10:34
It's amazing how the Labour trolls are always trying to blame the SNP for the tram fiasco. Fact is the SNP are the only party to contstantly vote against the trams in the parliament & council.
80

tumshie heid,

17/06/2009 08:50:04
#97 Personally I comment against the trams here to help keep a record of what people thought of the idea. This will make good reading when the project flops spectacularly.
Anecdotal evidence it may be but I have only met 1 person who thinks trams are a good idea. Everyone else just shakes their head in disbelief at the monumental waste of money and destruction of a good bus service.
81

tumshie heid,

17/06/2009 08:56:54
Bar room conversation between three pals:

pal#1 "I reckon I have the biggest hands in Scotland"
pal#2 "Well I have the biggest feet in Scotland"
pal#3 (can't compete but tries anyway "I have the smallest p#nis in Scotland"

They decide to verify their claims with the Guiness book of records.
Pal #1 goes in and comes out smiling with a certificate to authenticate that he does indeed have the biggest feet in Scotland.
Pal #2 goes in and comes out beaming, officially having the biggest hands in Scotland.
Pal #3 goes in but comes out looking dejected with no certificate. "Just who is this Gorgie Tony they talked about?" he asked angrily.
82

Big bob 79,

17/06/2009 08:59:38
Most of the people in Edinburgh do not want the tram line and view it as a massive waste of money, this is why the constant calls for a referendum on it has fallen on deaf ears. If this idiotic project was put to the vote it would have been stopped in its tracks. Even now its clear the business case is flawed and when the reduced line is built the it will operate at a massive loss and be a constant drain on our once “world class” transport network. This is why so many of the management of TIE have filled their pockets are ran, they know it’s a white elephant and have only been in post to feed from the trough until times got difficult, then ran for the hills with pockets stuffed.
83

dodderer,

Edinburgh 17/06/2009 11:25:43
No wonder he's smiling
84

Apophis,

... getting closer 17/06/2009 11:49:07
"Gorgie_Tony" said .....
Roll on the trams!! Top deck is best!!

I must wholheartedly agree, he should be on the roof,
with the high voltage pantograph connector. The one
example that I saw had no upper deck. I believe they
are all single deckers.

Back in the 1950's when there was less motor traffic,
the trams caused horrific injuries on a daily basis,
to cyclists and pedestrians who got caught in the
rails. Many times traffic ground to a halt in the
city centre when a tram couldn't swerve to avoid
an accident, or detour round an obstruction in the
roadway. Imagine if the trams were already running
today, how would they be able to detour them around
the roadworks in Princes Street ?

Will the Council be bringing back "Handsome Cabs"
and other 19th century anachronisms as well ?
I can think of a very useful one. Deacon Brodie's
Execution Apparatus. It could be permanently installed
at the New Council Chambers in .... erm... New Street.

Guffaw.
85

Old Cartha Boy,

25/06/2009 15:37:26
http://www.scotland.gov.uk/News/Releases/2009/06/24102122 - just in case anyone feels inclined to pass the hat round for Willie Boy - looks like the Scottish Govt has beat you to it!

And re#103 - don't you think Gorgie Tony has had enough juice flow through him thanks to his daily ECT treatment?

 

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