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Children face 85-year wait for the green man to appear



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Published Date: 07 August 2008
COMMUNITY campaigners fighting for pedestrian crossings on dangerous roads have been told they may have to wait up to 85 years.
Council chiefs have admitted they only have enough cash to install or upgrade three crossings a year, meaning that at the current rate of progress, roads at the bottom of the priority list will not be tackled until the end of this century.

More than 250 roads in the city have been identified by campaigners and local politicians as being in need of pedestrian crossings, and the council is slowly working through the list.

The locations are ranked on a number of criteria, including the number of accidents there have been and its proximity to schools and playgrounds.

Currently top priority on the requests list is Bruntsfield Place at the junction of Viewforth, while Oxgangs Road at Swanston Avenue was ranked bottom at 263rd.

Cycle groups and opposition politicians today called for more investment in crossings and for council chiefs to consider revising this criteria to take into account increased traffic volume and major developments, such as the Waterfront.

Tory councillor Jason Rust, whose constituency includes the lowest ranking request for a crossing on Oxgangs Road, said: "When people hear about possibly having to wait up to 85 years then it clearly adds to the frustration that their council tax money is not being spent on problems in their own areas.

"I know there are number of spots in Oxgangs where people do worry about the speeds of drivers coming off the city bypass and not adjusting them for the residential areas.

"There is a feeling that often because this area is a few miles from the city centre that it is neglected in the council's budgets and you can see this to an extent in this list.

"We should be tackling these things pro-actively rather than waiting for an accident to happen."

After a request for a crossing is received by council officials they go along to the location and assess its merits against set criteria.

This includes the number of slight, serious and fatal car accidents, and environmental factors such as the proximity of playgrounds, shops, schools and sheltered housing. The streets are given a scoring and the council then works through the list, starting with highest ranked ones.

Bridget Stevens, chairwoman of Merchiston Community Council, said:

"I'm obviously very happy to hear Bruntsfield Place is top of the list.

It's very near schools and the road gets very busy around lunchtime, and there's also a lot of old people walking around as there are several sheltered housing apartments nearby.

"The council's capacity to install only three new pedestrian crossings a year is pathetically small. I feel for the 262 other places, which will undoubtedly have there own varying degrees of need, who will have to wait a little bit longer for their crossings."

At the other end of the list, Norman Tinlin, transport spokesman for Fairmilehead Community Council, was less critical. He said they had never requested a pedestrian crossing at Oxgangs Road at Swanston Avenue.

"The council regularly put in crossings in places we don't want them. There's one at Buxton Avenue that's not where we would like it.

"Very often these things get put on the list by politicians as a sweetener to their constituents, usually during election times, so I think its good that it will take them 85 years to get round to some of them."

Marshall Poulton, the city council's head of transport, said:

"I think there is merit in looking again at the criteria we use for prioritising the crossings again because as I understand it, this was developed several years ago."

A the turn of the century nearly 50 of the city's youngsters were involved in serious road accidents but this has gradually reduced over the years. A major campaign by the council through its safer routes to schools initiatives has been behind the fall, with new pedestrian crossings and 20mph zones around schools.

A number of the crossings that have been requested and are on the list have little chance of getting built because of their proximity to other crossings or the likelihood of objections over the loss of parking spaces.

• WORK has finally started on a controversial pedestrian crossing on Colinton Road, part of an agreement with developer Applecross, which saw 170 flats built on sports fields at nearby Meggetland.

A wrangle over the crossing's position, cost and lighting has led to a two-year delay.

'It is far too long for people to have to wait'
RESIDENTS near Ferry Road are among those who are campaigning to improve pedestrian safety.

They have called for crossings at the West Ferryfield junction of the street, currently ranked 18th on the council's priority list, and also the Granton Road junction, which lies at 35th on the list.

Councillor Elizabeth Maginnis said both roads have seen a huge increase in traffic over recent years.

She said: "Both of these areas are in dire need of proper pedestrian crossings.

"The criteria which is being used to decide the priorities needs reviewed – it isn't taking account of the major developments which are being built down here in Granton and also increased traffic volumes."

"I thought the silence when the (transport] committee was told we are only doing three of these crossings a year was very telling.

"It is far too long for people to have to wait for safe ways to cross busy roads."


The full article contains 925 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Foo,

07/08/2008 12:12:23
Surely this qualifies us as a 3rd world country.
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 07/08/2008 12:12:39
Can the powers not build a bridge across these roads,it has been done elsewhere.
3

Hibernia,

07/08/2008 12:18:02
There are several areas of Edinburgh that have 3 or 4 crossings just a matter of a 500/600 yards apart.

Two I can think of are at Ferry Road by the top of Pennywell Road for instance there are 3 crossings within about 600 yards or Gorgie Road near Chesser 3 crossings withing 500 yards.
4

Epicuras,

07/08/2008 12:22:14
crossing constitution street where it crosses bernard street has been lethal for years - but when a friend enquired about getting a crossing about 5 years ago she was told it was about 50th 'on the list' - all they have to do would be to reset the lights already there to allow for a crossing so why can't they just do that?
more importantly the whole shore area has become much moredangerous recently as all roads have become rat runs with the closure of constitution street because of the trams, which they propose making permanant. as the trams will be causing congestion and creating dangerous rat runs; shouldn't it be TIE that foot the bill for all the associated crossings now needed? - no doubt the situation is similar everywhere along the tram route - it's an open ended (bottomless pit of public funds for brown envelopes) budget for the unwanted/needed trams so why not simply force TIE to pay for all the new crossing now needed and that will free up funding for other crossinmgs - are you listening council? - problem sorted!
that will of course be 450K for my consultants fee to point out the obvious, in writing :-)
5

Jenny MacArthur's Humvee,

07/08/2008 12:24:41
Never mind, at least theres going to be nice shiny new trams here. Maybe Tufty will get his old job back so he won't have to consider going on Celebrity Big Brother to appease the taxman.
6

rs,

in ma house 07/08/2008 12:34:15
£1.3m on flags for for the festivals ,

yip The Old Edinburgh Councilors have got their priorities right?
7

rs,

in ma house 07/08/2008 12:35:39
Developers have raked in millions from new houses/flats.

They should have been like the tram project and been told to give money towards the increased in cars that all these new developments create
8

an interested party,

07/08/2008 12:41:06
does this mean that poor pedestrians are stuck all on the wrong side of the road, or that they just have to cross looking both ways etc ?

surely a job for green cross code man, or was he killed in the latest star wars ?
9

lulach mac gille coemgain,

07/08/2008 12:48:31
Do what I do - pop oot and put a road closed sign at the end of the road when yer havin yer toast in the morning - ten minutes later - road clear - crossin it nae bother !
10

familymanwith2jobsandawifeworkingfulltime,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 12:49:12
If the powers that be didn't waste so much money on those stupid speed bumps, which damage vehicles, then maybe there would be cash available for important things, like pedestrian crossings.
11

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 12:53:56
Fact
Previously some jobs like ped crossings and the like were dealt with on the basis of what cooncillor shouted the loudest. Hardly efficient or the best use of funds avialable. Now a list is formulated using objective measurement (which as pointed oput should be kept under review. If a councilor wants to get a crossing in his area further up the list then he has to convince the committe why it should get preferential treatment. If a development is near a potential crossing site then in most cases the developers will be asked to contribute to the provision of that crossing, therefore taking it off the council's list at no cost to them and allowing other ones to move up.

The problem is that the number of requests will always out number the budget allocated for these works per year. Depending on the type of crossing at say £25k a pop times 263 on the list equals £6.5million.
12

DAVID,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 13:01:18
Lack of sub-editors today.

Which part of Edinburgh is "Buxton" in - close to Buckstone do you think?
13

PaulB,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 13:04:32
What was wrong with old-fashioned zebra crossings? They must be a lot cheaper to install.
14

Ron D,

Enybru 07/08/2008 13:11:41
Half of the drivers won't stop at them anyway.
15

Peedie Paws,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 13:15:52
#3 the crossing under construction at Colinton (in the picture above) is only about 500/600 yards away from the other crossing. The new crossing is being built because people are too lazy to walk to the old crossing 100 feet away from the Tesco Express!
16

ecoijs,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 13:29:56
I'd ask the council why they have wasted a crossing on Eglington Crescent which has no need whatsoever for a zebra crossing?!?

I'd be really curious to know what strategic traffic management planning was done before the council started digging up roads randomly.
17

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07/08/2008 13:58:31
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18

Hibernia,

07/08/2008 14:15:54
#15 if thats the case they why bother building yet another one so close and then we get articles saying the cant afford other ones.
19

PaulB,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 14:52:33
sso that mums with prams getting off buses don't have too far to walk.
20

geekpie,

forfar 07/08/2008 16:18:40
Many of these crossings wouldn't be needed if police got serious about enforcing urban speed limits as they are in Australia and New Zealand.

Even if it did make them unpopular with the poor, put-upon motorist.
21

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 17:09:16
#2
Myreside road has an overhead crossing between the two playing fields with steps at each end. The problem is that any crossing must be accessible to anyone with restricted mobility. That only leaves a pedestrian crossing or an pedestrian underpass (like Sighthill).
But the pedestrian crossing is the cheapest option.
22

GraemeH,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 17:26:03
Given that half the city centre seems to be getting extra traffic lights, most of which make no sense at all (e.g. Haymarket and have you seen how many sets they are putting in St Andrews Sq!) there is a budget for this somewhere. Pity it is being wasted.
23

Cynical,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 17:52:46
Surely it would be cheaper, faster and better just to teach folk how to cross the street?

All this namby pamby nonsense does my head in.
24

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

07/08/2008 18:05:40
What we need is that Canadian thing where if someone even looks like they want to cross the road, all the drivers stop to allow them to do so.

What we need is common politeness, not technology.
25

The Sheriff,

07/08/2008 18:10:32
God help us if they build all these crossings....the real reason we have gridlock and congestion throughout this city too many fing crossings for my liking.
26

Fed up!,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 19:04:25
Edinburgh will have some nice flags to fly though!
£1.5 millions worth, thats about 40 to 50 pedestrian crossings.
The council obviously have difficulty prioritising how they spend our money.
27

tomias,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 19:04:43
In 85 years time the current weans will be crossing wardens
28

A Friend of Fernando Poo,

07/08/2008 19:58:06
Just got a Court demand for Council Tax. Tried to phone the Council to sort it out, but can't get through until tomorrow. They'd rather spend our money on ladyboys than pay for someone to answer taxpayers when they call.
29

Bravetart,

07/08/2008 23:26:03
But there are always funds for speed cameras.

Tell the powers that be that people are speeding across the road - see how that one works out.
30

geekpie,

forfar 09/08/2008 12:25:50
One way to raise funds would be more higher charges and more realistic deterrents for speeding offences, as in Australia and New Zealand.

 

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