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Motorists edged out as tram plan revealed



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Published Date: 20 September 2008
PARKING will be banned and public transport given priority along swathes of Edinburgh's tram network, city council leaders yesterday revealed.
Shandwick Place in the West End will be permanently closed to cars, dozens of parking spaces will be lost on Leith Walk, and parking on two sides of St Andrew Square will also be taken away.

Just one tram stop will be created on Princes Street,
while Leith Walk will have three. Most right turns will also be banned on Leith Walk for safety reasons and the roundabout at London Road is to be replaced with traffic signals.

The proposed changes were unveiled by the city council ahead of construction work starting in November on the tramline, which will initially run between Ocean Terminal, in Leith, and Edinburgh Airport.

It has already emerged that Princes Street will be closed to all traffic for the first half of next year to allow the construction work to take place.

The changes will be subject to a public consultation exercise and the plans will be showcased at public exhibitions over the next few weeks.

The sole tram stop on Princes Street has been earmarked for between Hanover Street and Frederick Street.

About one in four parking places on Leith Walk will be lost once the trams are up and running, although the council has insisted about 25 per cent more space will be provided for loading and unloading of goods, in response to concerns from shopkeepers.

A spokeswoman for the council said the authority was embarking on an "informal consultation" before the proposed changes are formally advertised next year.

Councillor Phil Wheeler, the city's convenor of transport, said: "Designing and building a tram system to operate in a thriving city centre like Edinburgh presents many challenges.

"One of those challenges is to ensure that the tram will be able to run according to its proposed timetable and integrate well with general traffic on the road network.

"Although this challenge is not unique to Edinburgh, we will do everything possible to balance the needs of all road users without undermining the efficient and effective operation of the tram system."

However, Bruce Young, Lothian and Borders co-ordinator of the Association of British Drivers, said: "The road space along the route is being given over to the tram without any due compensation or alternative for other vehicles."

Changes across the capital, street by street

WEST END


Tram stops proposed for Haymarket Terrace and Shandwick Place, which will become a public transport corridor with access only to trams, buses, taxis and cyclists. Loading permitted in the evenings only.

• No vehicle access from Grosvenor Street into the Haymarket junction.

• Canning Street to become one way north bound for taxis only.

PRINCES STREET

• Tram stop between Hanover Street and Frederick Street.

• Loading times to be altered, access proposed 8pm-7am.

• Left turn from Lothian Road on to Shandwick Place removed.

• Frederick Street reopened to buses, taxis and cyclists.

• Removal of west bound general traffic at night on Princes Street.

EAST END

• Tram stops at east side of St Andrew Square and Picardy Place, east of Broughton Street.

• Parking on the east and west sides of St Andrew Square removed.

&149 West side of St Andrew Square two-way for general traffic; east side will be predominately used for trams and access traffic.

• St Andrew Street closed to general traffic at Princes Street and York Place.

• Roundabout at Picardy Place replaced with traffic signals.

LEITH WALK

• Tram stops south of McDonald Road, at Balfour Street, at Foot of the Walk, south end of Constitution Street. Parking and loading arrangements are to be altered.

• Roundabout at London Road will be replaced with traffic signals.

• Many right turns on Leith Walk will be prohibited.



The full article contains 644 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 01:30:26


It is all to do with 'Mother Hatred'!

First the Buses refused Mothers with Babies! and told them to use the car!

Now the "Cars" are going to be refused access!

Well that is,....'Bl**dy' Wonderful,..Ain't it!,?

Good tactics for an, 'Edinburgh hating Mothers'

But 'HEY' Don't Worry!, you Love your Money and what,..

......Lovely Banks you Have!


Well seeing this week, your beloved bank, never lets you down,

No doubt, the "Tram Company" use the HBOS.
2

Solo Lobo,

20/09/2008 01:35:14
So, those who drive down Leith Walk and would normally use a right turn to access streets between Leith Walk and Easter Road will have to do what exactly? Drive from London Road/Leith Street to the bottom of Leith Walk, then find some way to turn back up Leith Walk to access a left hand turn? They MUST be joking.
Are tram tracks not set flush to the road surface which will allow traffic to pass over them? Is it thought that drivers will be unable to see a tram coming and give way to them? Will alternative routes such as London Road have bus lanes removed to allow traffic to use them more easily?
Since when is ONE tramline a network and why do we have to endure this TIE bullsh1t?
3

Mark Renton,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 02:27:25
NOBODY wants the freaking trams, how can this madness continue? Somebody has to put a stop to it!!
4

Charles MN,

20/09/2008 02:45:00
#2
The brakes on trams aren't very good, all it would take would be would be one car to turn in front of a tram going downhill and a very nasty accident could happen. So traffic going up and down Leith Walk will be prevented from crossing the tracks as will traffic entering Leith Walk from the side streets.

The alternative would be to have the trams creep down Leith Walk at a few miles an hour and you don't spend £500 million to have a transport system that's worst than what you have got do you?
5

Iron Soul,

At the tram stop 20/09/2008 04:12:21
Don't you guys get it?
The objective is to get the city back to the people. It is the destruction of the city in favour of the car that has to end, so trams are the answer. The sooner the better, with maximum reduction on carparking.
6

Iron Soul,

Collins St now 20/09/2008 04:15:27
Stop pontificating you ignorant knowalls.
Go to Melbourne and see how a city operates with trams. It is illegal to stop on a tramtrack at a junction (simple safety rule). To turn right across a tram track you must do a 'hook turn'.... pull left and crossacross the traffic at a designted point in the signal sequence. Sounds odd? .... but it works.
7

spud the enforcer,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 05:18:29
trams if they were such a wonderfull idea why on earth did they get rid of them in the 50's, all we are doing is throwing money down a black hole, we already see bus services being cut and for what the a tram that will not serve the population at large, a tram system that i believe will only benefit the tourists and the numpties who work at victoria quay who will not have to mix with the mere mortals for who this tram rubbish will not benefit at all,

lothian buses has won numerous awards and honors over the years but this bunch of morons who infect the council chamber i.e the lib/snp cretins will do almost anything to make sure this tram line gets built, they are even considering a sell off of lothian buses to finance the shortfall in the actual budget laid down for the trams, if you thought the city was badly run under labour then believe me its even worse under these idiots,

Demand a referendum on the trams now.


8

Boy Wonder,

20/09/2008 07:36:08
"ONE stop on Princes Street and THREE stops on Leith Walk"??

The council certainly are not giving any consideration to our elderly or disabled with mobility problems, are they?

I know several older people who like to get out into the city and the Gardens, but a long walk would tire them out too much ... they don't want wheelchairs ... they just want to be in the city. One stop isn't in their favour at all.

Just who is this tram service that's being foisted on us, for??

9

Navvy,

20/09/2008 08:11:14
there were none of these restrictions when we did have a citywide tram network
10

JimboJimbo,

20/09/2008 08:12:24
The planners have spent years rotting up the Edinburgh traffic and transportation system. It is now a city to be avoided. The old saying is still true - Glasgow is Miles Better!!
11

Al capachino,

sweden 20/09/2008 08:20:58
move back to Edinburgh ? no way it has to be one of the most problem ridden cities i know.

12

hertscot,

They last time I wrote this someone had it removed 20/09/2008 08:41:35
Re: all councils,

No matter what, they couldn't organise an intimate encounter in a house of negotiable affection.
13

Chatatara,

Fife 20/09/2008 09:06:06
Surely there has to before than 1 stop on Princess Street.

There is just no way i would be able to use the trams if that was the case.
14

bluehead,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 09:08:07
more of the tram disease,what a disgrace!!how the Scottish goverment could have stood by while this city
was mangled in such a way that it looks like it has been Ariel bombed,this terrible waste of money will never be forgotten,no matter where you look now every thing seems to be crazy, the whole political world is filled with people with concrete craniums.
15

Douglas,

Bathgate 20/09/2008 09:15:05
It's a Millenium Dome for our times
One stop on Princes Street doesn't make it a transport system, it's a visitor attraction.
Just think, when it's all built and running (yes, I know, stay with me on this) it'll be like the Mayan temples in South America. No-one will know why or who ordered it built and it's exact funtion is a mystery but there is some evidence of persisting to a very bitter end.
16

silent majority,

edinburgh 20/09/2008 09:29:23
Was in Livingston the other day - the Almondvale Shopping Centre is wonderful and with the new extension, will be even better. Plenty of free parking.
Edinburgh shops are going to suffer - and die - because of the Council's persistent campaign of hatred against motorists.
17

Rob me blind,

Peterhead 20/09/2008 09:48:17
In Amsterdam there are about one third of the trams in the workshop every day having accident damage fixed. They either run into each other of hit other vehicles. This should be a good one for the PC crowd to cover.

Just where is Renilson in all this he left the buses to steer the trams through and now the tie up between the two is even stronger. Is all this because he couldn't afford a train set to match his adversary Souter????
18

carrottop,

Dumfries 20/09/2008 09:59:24
I want the trams, I can remember back to my childhood in Edinburgh when we could play in our street (only three cars) and everyone was in the same boat as regards transport. People used to talk to each other on public transport and there was a much greater feeling of togetherness. If the tram system is going to pedestrianise chunks of central Edinburgh doing away with the roar and stink of traffic then bring it on.
The objectors seem similar in concept to the tediously regular posters on this site who have nothing else to do and lack the character to go out somewhere they can talk to others in the flesh (or clothed).
19

Robert12,

20/09/2008 10:32:17
#16 only issue being that once the extension is finished they plan to begin charging customers to park. And why drive to Livingston when you have the exact same shops (probably better ones) in Ocean Terminal?

The Almondvale is not a wonderful shopping centre, it's filled with zombies pushing prams or riding about on mobility wagons. Next time you go there count how many teenage mums you see shopping in the rubbish shops such as Gift World, Poundland and JJB Sports. When I was last in a number of shops had begun to shut down in the original part of the centre to move into the new bit.
20

Jolly,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 10:39:26
Traffic reduction in snarrelled - up Edinburgh city centre is great and if trams help, then that is fantastic!! Could planners please stop and think, however?? Why just one stop on Princes St and why a 'transport corridor' at Shandwick Place?? This will cause massive unneccessary crowding on pavements in front of a few buildings!! A hazard!!

Vienna and other European cities manage fine without detroying city life!! Should our planners and councillors head over for a European visit???
21

calum,

20/09/2008 10:42:10
I've never understood why the tramLINE is going along Princes Street in the first plac, other than to make a bonny picture on the coffee table brochures. It makes absolutely no sense whatever that when Edinburgh hosts major events - Cavalcade, Hogmanay, parades etc. etc. that the "model for mass transportation" is severed. Much comparison has been made with Dublin where the temptation was resisted to travel the length of O'Connel Street but crosses it at its southern end. That results in a system which is still usable.
And only 1 stop between St. Andrew Square and Shandwick Place - so much for mobility!!
#17 - When an accident occurs with a tram, bear in mind that it won't only be the police investigating but a whole host of other interests like Railway Accident investigators, H&S etc. etc. also resulting in delays, much longer than that experienced by conventional means.
Further, I see that the millions wasted on CETM is going to be changed back again in places - joined up thinking once more at City Development? Aye, right!
22

Anonym,

20/09/2008 10:58:01
#20 Jolly, I'm sure our planners and councillors have been to a variety of European cities at one time or another.

#8 Boy Wonder, I suppose the reason for having three stops on Leith Walk is that there are more residents living there. The one stop on Princes Street is going to be right next to the gardens, so your old folks will not have to walk far to get there.

Anyway. It looks like we are getting trams regardless of what we want.
23

Robbierunciman,

Romney Marsh 20/09/2008 11:23:49
I note that there is a quote from the 'association of British drivers', recently on my local radio station, during an item about a new speed camera on the police helicopter - a speaker from the this organization said something like, his members had difficulty driving safely at the artificially low speed limits we have in britain.

not sure they are best source of views on driving behaviour.
24

WJohn,

West Lothian 20/09/2008 11:51:08
No tram stop at the station? Obviously TIE does not want its customers defecting to that other rail system.
25

David C,

Sunny Fife (far away from the chaos) 20/09/2008 12:13:49
Edinburgh City Councillors are deluded if they think this will work. Take out the cars, and you take out the shoppers. There should be as many tram stops as there are bus stops. If they keep on going, losing HBOS will be the least of Edinburgh's worries; this will kill the shops, kill the heart of Edinburgh,and kill tourism in the City. Worst of all, people get paid to come up with these lunatic schemes.
26

Just another day,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 12:21:21
#7 It was under labour that the tram plans first came about. When SNP came to power, they wanted to stop the plans. Alex Salmond wanted, instead, to spend the money upgrading the A9. Unfortunately, Labour and the other parties outvoted them and pushed the tram plans through.

# 14 The city looks like it has been "Ariel bombed"? So, it's nice and clean and covered in washing powder?
27

ochone,

Sauchie, Clack's 20/09/2008 12:27:49
Somebody tell me they didn't approve money for and start this scheme before finalising the plans for traffic!!!
28

Sarah B,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 12:32:07
Ochone (27) - sorry to disappoint but that is exactly what they did.
29

World class concrete,

20/09/2008 14:27:11
"The sole tram stop on Princes Street has been earmarked for between Hanover Street and Frederick Street".

So that will be really handy for Waverley Station, won't it?
30

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/09/2008 15:39:26
The Embra farce rolls on ....
31

Pilrig.,

Livingston 20/09/2008 15:49:53
19 closed shops ? you mean the Herts Shop ? Hardly surprising, as it was another of Vlad's follies lucky if you had 2 or 3 folk in it at any given time. Other than that you exaggerate naughtilly and are behind the times as well. Almondvale has a big advantage over rather soul-less Ocean Terminal - and that is that you din't have to go into in Embra and suffer it's transport horrors.
32

Sanny,

Glasgow 20/09/2008 17:08:19
14 bluehead,edinburgh
As I recall the (SNP) Scottish Government was opposed to these trams, but the decision was forced through by a LibLabTory gang in order to screw up SNP spending plans. Are memories really so short?
33

GrahamH,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 20:00:59
#26 - You are only half right.

The other parties DID vote for trams and SNP against and together they gained a majority.

However, SNP could still have used their executive powers and stop the trams, but were threatened with a vote of no confidence, so Salmond meekly backed down and abandoned a key manifesto promise.

The FINAL say on yes to the trams was the SNPs and we should not forget that with all their posturing about being the party that voted against them.

Now full size of disastor for Edinburgh is known, a campaign is needed against them.
34

Bobby B,

Edinburgh 20/09/2008 23:15:36
What does the council plan do do to ease traffic congestion on the streets around shandwick place when they close it off? I'm thinking particularly of streets like Gt Stuart Street - the route off the west end of Queen St which are surely not expected to bear the load of all traffic coming into edinburgh from the west of scotland. Unless they take some action to divert traffic along main routes the roads will not cope with the load of hgvs etc that shandwick place took before the work started. Closing off some of these ratruns will cause less stationary traffic and therefore achieve the aim of trams of cutting congestion, as well as taking the burden off residents along these routes, which the council actively states is high on their list of priorities. It would be good if the council could reassure us of the wider traffic ramifications and action plans around implementation of trams, as i'm not convinced they've thought them through. Anyone from the council able to comment?
35

calum,

21/09/2008 09:44:26
#29 Yep, that is an example of a Scottish integrated transport policy. Trudge around in the pi5hing rain looking for an timetable where joined up transport options .......well, join up. So much to learn from other cities.
And as for lines of buses, why on earth don't you have to buy your ticket before you get on the bus to prevent the sight of the wifie who just knows she has that last penny at the bottom of her handbag.
36

flyman,

glasgow 21/09/2008 17:14:53
You deserve the tram system,capital city eh,and a bet you wont be allowed to use your bus pass on it...

 

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