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Parking protest steps up a gear



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Published Date: 14 August 2008
HUNDREDS of residents are objecting to the idea of the city's controlled parking zone being expanded into their neighbourhood.
Campaigners have put up posters around South Morningside opposing the introduction of parking restrictions.

The city council has been carrying out an informal consultation to find out if residents of up to nine areas around the Capital want existi
ng CPZs extended to cover their streets.

But residents in South Morningside fear such a move would bring chaos to their currently quiet streets.

Douglas Gordon, who is leading the campaign, has carried out a survey of 621 houses in the area and said he found 524 were opposed to the extension.

Mr Gordon, 42, of Craiglea Drive, a software engineer, who shares a car with his partner Jayne Bennett, said he has never had any difficulties finding a parking space and would resent having to pay for a parking permit.

"We just don't feel that there is such a parking problem here," he said.

"Any problem that there may be has been imposed by the council's blind determination to impose this policy. It's making it harder for people to get into the city to work and to shop. It's basically just a tax, it's not really helping parking for anyone."

He added: "There's an environmental issue too, because it's going to encourage people with gardens to dig them up and put a driveway in, which will have a drastic effect on the history and the feel of the place."

Some residents however are behind the idea of an extension, saying there have been problems in recent months. Another resident, also of Craiglea Drive, said a CPZ extension was the only option: "The situation has got worse over the last six months.

"I think it's a good idea despite the inconvenience of not being able to park within half a mile of your own front door unless you are very lucky.

"The over-crowding results in illegal and unsafe parking, which is a danger to children and old people crossing roads.

"To assert that there is not a problem is simply misleading."

Councillor Alison Johnstone, who represents Meadows and Morningside, said: "There are no formal plans at the moment to extend the CPZ and the council is just looking for feedback in order to decide whether to bring forward more parking zones.

"There is no desire at all to impose an unwanted scheme upon the residents.

"The council will collate the responses they have and put them to the Transport, Infrastructure and Environment committee in September and at that point they will decide."





The full article contains 436 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

allknowing,

14/08/2008 12:20:05
Money making scam, nothing more.
2

Bill MacD,

14/08/2008 12:26:12
They're welcome to protest, provided the Council understands that these few loudmothed self-interested idiots aren't representing anyone but themselves. And Mr Gordon's so-called statistics are as meaningless as any "survey" conducted by a special interest group. I live in this area, and personally I think we need far more parking restrictions. He didn't ask me. Funny that!
3

council never win,

bruntsfield 14/08/2008 12:31:16
I think having a CPZ is much better than your streets being an informal park and ride. The streets are quieter and parking has improved. Council should increase the P&R spaces, increase the CPZ and increase the buses/trams to encourage folk not to drive into town so much.
4

Toon Army,

Bruntsfield 14/08/2008 12:41:01
Having lived in an area that was free parking and has gone to CPZ I agree that parking is a lot easier. I am happily paying the £80 a year. Admittedly it's not perfect but a damn sight better than it was with commuters taking up spaces for the whole day making parking nigh impossible. It will further drive the selfish out-of-towners who hog these spaces into the right places - park and rides and on to the buses.
5

Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 12:47:12
About time to, these polluting cars should be taxed out of existance in the town, better still when will we get more trams?
6

ben75,

EH10 14/08/2008 12:47:59
I live in this area too and it is a nightmare finding a parking space anywhere near my home. I fully support the extension of the CPZ.

I've never seen these "posters" or taken part in any "survey". Perhaps it's because I live on the east side of Comiston Road where the CPZ is proposed to be extended e.g. Cluny, Blackford, Midmar, Braid etc and people are keen to have it in place (at least that's been the consensus at the local meetings).

This could possibly have a knock on effect on the area to the west of Comiston Road e.g. Craiglea Drive, this is what Mr Gordon is objecting to. I'm guessing this is the area he canvassed.

This article gives the impression that the majority of South Morningside is against the proposal. That is wrong.
7

Cappo Del Monte,

14/08/2008 12:48:18
where are you petrolheid, this story is mad for you
8

capy,

embra 14/08/2008 12:48:37
I remember asking Cllr Burns the then traffic csar on talk 107, on the expansion of CPZ. I was told that it would be revenue neutral. This may come as a surprise to some but i do not belive him.
The motorist private or commercial, the cash cow.
9

Statsman,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:50:25
More tax to waste on meaningless social engineering projects.

When the council can actually be bothered repairing the roads, then it will be in a position to discuss taxing people to park on them.
10

alex paterson,

edinburgh 14/08/2008 12:54:01
More complaints from Moaningsiders,bring on the trams everywhere.
11

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:08:44
Bill MacD:

Are you Jenny MacArthur in disguse?

Parking regulations should return to where they were in 1986.


We do not need any more of this rubbish. It is killing the city.
12

Palermo,

14/08/2008 13:11:43
I wonder Mr Gordon would like to augment his time-filling exercise (sorry, "surveying") by surveying the difference in carbon footprint between the number of commuting cars this move may force into park and ride (on the one hand) versus the impact of at least three households in his area (wait for it) PAVING over their gardens.

That would be an environ-mentalist at work ;-)
13

Ron D,

Enybru 14/08/2008 13:13:10
What's this? Car drivers don't think they should pay to park? I'm astounded.
14

DAVID,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:15:00
There's no parking problem on the west side of Comiston Road, hence residents here are against the CPZ. I went to the public meeting in May and gave the council muppets a stern talking to, as did the vast majority of residents who attended. They'll still probably implement it though, cos' that's what they do.

Also, those on the east side of Comiston Road are more likely to have driveways and hence don't care about the prospect of being forced to hand over more hard-earned cash to the council.

More communist, anti-car, anti-choice, anti-individuality nonsense from Das Cooncil.


15

Yonthing!,

14/08/2008 13:22:24
The CPZ does NOTHING to stop commuters. During the day, my "Residents Only" street has about 33% parking. At night, it has 110% parking (yes, they are double parked).

Now, where do Edinburgh City Council think all these cars are going during the day - surprise, surprise, surprise they are COMMUTING TO WORK.
16

Get a life!,

Morningside 14/08/2008 13:23:03
Mr Gordon is just peddling his own agenda. He has clearly just contacted those who support his viewpoint, as I know there is a great deal of support for a parking zone - particularly on the East side of Comiston Road. He is deluded and foolish if he thinks there is no problem with parking in this area. South Morningside is now the unofficial park and ride for commuters entering South Edinburgh. It is a nightmare and will only get worse as traffic increases. It is also fair to say that the current chaotic parking situation will inevitably have a negative impact on house prices in this area. The £80 a year permit will be more than offset by the increase in price of a property with easily available parking. Unfortunately, I doubt if Mr Gordon has the common sense to consider this!
17

Palermo,

14/08/2008 13:29:34
#15 - I guess in the times before CPZ you could have had 110% parking 24 hours a day, then, thanks to commuters? That was my experience a while ago in Comely Bank, that's for sure.

The issue of commuters coming into the city and parking in places like Comely Bank/Marchmont/Morningside/Wherever then walking in from there is precisely that park and rides have been put in place and more are underway (as I understand it) so that if you come in from Livingston (for example) you only need to go as far as Heriot Watt before then jumping on the P&R bus (much greener) than travelling in to Stockbridge or wherever before crawling round the streets searching for a space to pounce upon, all of this on a daily basis.

The CPZ in tandem with P&R does (at least in that example) appear to be greener, and if the residents of your area or mine happen to work elsewhere (ie Gyle or wherever) then the car is still valid, bus too, and (certainly in case of Gyle) will become commutable from the centre by tram in the not-too-distant.

Is there a better solution than CPZ / P&R that's affordable - if so, we need to hear

18

DAVID,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:31:07
#16 - so what if commuters park there during the day? Are you the type of Labour control freak who wants to interfere and meddle in absolutely every aspect of people's lives?

I'll bet you're a fan of proposals for bin inspectors to check we are all recycling properly too.

This is how it was in Nazi Germany and Communist Russia. We are all far better off without this type of council interference to steal more of our money.
19

PaulB,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:31:32
It's about time the Council extended this scheme to streets off Leith Walk. I don't have a car myself, but people park on the pavement, double park, and generally abandon their vehicles where they fancy. No traffic wardens, police or any form of control. I know other people with cars in this area who want controlled parking ontroduced, but the council have no plans to do so - despite the fact is is so close to the centre of town. Start with this area, not Morningside!
20

James (1),

14/08/2008 13:37:52
Mr Gordon really needs to understand that it has never been about residents having parking problems. It is about council wanting money for doing almost nothing.
See? Simple and straight forward.
If this was JUST about helping residents the permits would be free!
21

BuddieWiser,

Penicuik 14/08/2008 13:39:43
The trams will be of limited use for Edinburgh people let alone those commuters living outside - they'll travel on the same existing bus routes anyway. The council just want your money; it's another tax & those Civil thieves will dress it up as a 'green' policy. If I'm being selfish by driving into Morningside & catching the no.23 the rest of the way then fine, I like being selfish - it suits me to travel in this way. Quicker than the bus all the way even when the Straiton P&R is in place. In the long run we are all dead so never mind the environment & let me park my car where I want, when I want. For free.
22

Epicuras,

14/08/2008 13:47:20
there's nothing wrong with the CPZ idea as long as it's not used as just another tax by this corrupt council - the permits should be sent out at cost (£1?) with people coucil tax bills - end of parking problem and less money for councillors to stuff into their already overstuffed pockets
23

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 13:55:04
#20:

Excellent point James!

Even if they weren't free, they would certainly be a whole lot cheaper.

How much do you reckon the admin cost would be to issue these things? £5 per permit per year sounds about right to me---and that is being generous. So how do they justify the extortionate prices they charge?
24

jtdx,

14/08/2008 14:08:48
#22, #23 actually edinburgh loses money on the permits (believe it or not).

http://cpol.edinburgh.gov.uk/getdoc_ext.asp?DocId=114344

Permit charges are currently set at £160 per annum for the Central Zones (1-4)
and £80 for the Peripheral (5 to 8) and Extended (N1 – N5, S1 – S4) Zones.
With approximately 17,000 permits issued per annum, the revenue raised from
permit issue currently stands at approximately £1.7M. Whilst the Council is
required by law to ensure that permit costs do not return a ‘profit’ and that any
monies raised are entirely used to finance the continued operation of the
controlled parking scheme, this figure is substantially less than the current
operating costs of the scheme which currently stand at approximately £4.7M per
annum. The remaining operational costs are met from income generated from
pay-and-display parking.
25

Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 14:23:19
#25:

Edinburgh looses money on the permits in the same way that Arthur Daley wasn't liable to pay VAT or income tax.

The thing they have in common are clever accountants.

Put me in charge of issuing the permits, I would charge a flat rate of £5 per permit per year, turn over about £85,000 per annum and easily make a clear, 5-figure profit, out of which I could comfortably pay myself what a typical council clerk gets paid.

How much can it possibly cost for 17,000 bits of paper and a desktop computer?
26

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14/08/2008 14:43:03
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Reason:
27

James (1),

14/08/2008 14:49:58
The issuing of the FIRST permit takes the most time to verify details. The proof of elligibility lies with the applicant, so paperwork requested needs to be in order then permit issued. The next year the renewal takes very little time. Each permit costs £80 (minimum)and details already on the system. YET it still costs £80?
What are they using? Gold embossed permits and platinum coated envelopes?
This is not a high tech operation. It is akin to buying a ticket for a flight. Over sold with no guarantee of a space.
The council need to get a private firm in to issue the permits and stop squandering money by doing it in house with staff who cannot do it for less.
28

Edinburgh 100,

Musselburgh 14/08/2008 15:10:54
# 25

Edinburgh makes a loss on permits. I doubt it. If it did then it would be the first thing for the financial chop to help fill the black hole because it would be popular and easy to do. I am very synical of any report from Edinburgh foolicors that attempts to say that they dont make moeny from parking permits. Also i seem to remember a previous story about Edinburgh foolicors wanting to charge 4 x 4 etc a larger ammount and smaller less poluting cars a smaller amount for parking permits. In that story the foolicors stated that they would make a financial loss if they implemented the changes to the parking permits. So if they make a financial loss with the new system they want to impilment then they must have been making a profit or breaking even from the present one. Foolicors really need to look at what they are saying they cant have it both ways. We are not making a profit but if we change it the city makes a financial loss which is the truth ?.
29

Bonzo,

14/08/2008 15:12:24
#25 Oh, I hadn't realised the traffic wardens who enforce the restrictions work for nothing. Or perhaps you believe that all drivers are such fair-minded people they would observe the restrictions even if there were no monitoring.
30

Bonzo,

14/08/2008 15:12:58
ops, i meant #26 petrol head.
31

Starkravingsane,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 15:15:21
I took part in taking the survey round; I did three streets, St Ninians, St Finnans and St Clair terraces. Not everyone was in but those who were, and who were in favour of the scheme, were encouraged by me to give their opinions as well as those who were not - their points of view being necessary to achieve any sort of balance. I found the number of folk against the scheme far outweighed those in favour, by a very considerable number.
32

udxr25,

morningside 14/08/2008 15:21:42
I'm the resident in the article that is quoted as being in support of the CPZ. I live in Craiglea Drive and from where it meets Comiston Road to 3/4 way up car parking is a nightmare and getting worse. This is fact not opinion and Mr Gordon even contradicts himself by saying there is no problem and immediately afterwards refers to it! If a child gets run over due to people parking on crossing points will people listen?
33

Angus R,

14/08/2008 15:27:15
'Mr Gordon, 42, of Craiglea Drive, a software engineer, who shares a car with his partner Jayne Bennett, said he has never had any difficulties finding a parking space and would resent having to pay for a parking permit'.


Nice selfish attitude Mr Gordon - what about the woman trying to find a big enough space to park their Ka in??
34

Jasbar,

14/08/2008 15:42:51
Palermo #12

Carbon footprint? Are you another of the plinks who's fallen for this environmental garbage?

Carbon footprints don't exist. Get it? They never have.

It's just a guilt trip laid on folks by green fascists who have nothing better to do than attempt to scare everyone the planet's dying.

Well, guess what? It's not. It's only got through around half of it's life span.

So, shove your carbon footprint up your green fascist gob and get real.
35

RickL,

South Morningside 14/08/2008 16:07:10
I live on the Plewlands estate as well and was part of the survey and wrote to my councillor about the CPZ extension.

Parking easy round here? No it is not other than on a Sunday. I frequently have to park two streets away up towards the Craiglockhart hill end.

I'll tell you exactly what is going to happen though.

The CPZ will come in in the Cluny area and Comiston Road offshoot areas, but not here. As a result, the hoardes of cars that park there since the extension of the CPZ into the Grange, will now start parking over here.

And then residents will whine and complain that they can't get a parking space and the CPZ will be asked for.

Just wait. It is eactly what happened in the Grange. They did not want permit holders areas, and then they did.
36

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 14/08/2008 16:16:08
The taxi driver is also an expert on climatic matters, as well as traffic engineering and everything else he spouts on about.
My goodness you are so talented, and so obnoxious as well.
37

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14/08/2008 16:33:21
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
38

Nen,

Edinburgh 14/08/2008 16:46:02
Generally those having issues with parking near their residence are those living near Comiston Road. I live several blocks away from Comiston road and NEVER have a problem with commuters/parking even though I am conveniently near several bus routes. The problem with parking lies with the many car owners who live on Comiston Road who basically 'park around the corner' on side streets such as Craiglea Drive! This is not going to improve when you have to pay £80 a year plus for all your visitors should CPZ be enforced.
Likewise when I used to take my child to the Cluny Annex every day I never had a problem parking east of Comiston Rd at around 8.45 - well past the time for commuter parking. Its purely a money making scheme!!
39

archie12,

14/08/2008 17:41:22
Ah, Road Raga, expert on .............? Expert on ..........? Expert on............? Obnoxiousness!
40

The Batboy,

14/08/2008 18:41:53
Edinburgh City Council = scam after scam after scam after scam after scam after scam ad nauseam.
41

Road Raga,

EDINBURGH 14/08/2008 20:53:12
Motorists = bunch of greeting selfish people, see above for typical examples.

I want to park my car anywhere, anytime anyplace, stuff everyone else me me me me me me me !
42

ben75,

14/08/2008 21:04:23
#39
Those people who can't park on their own road, must be a real pain to you, Get a life! These are people that have no possibility of parking on their own road and have to park "round the corner"

Do those who own/rent a flat have more/less ownership to parking on the street than you do?


43

ThinkSmart,

edinburgh 15/08/2008 00:58:03
It may be one day the CPZ area will be so big that the whole of Edinburgh will just be one big CPZ.

Edinburgh can advertise it's self "Pay to Stay". What an attraction to get people to live here.

Where will the CPZ cut off point eventually stop, if ever? - West Lothian one day if it keeps expanding and then everyone with cars in Edinburgh will be paying the tax no matter where you stay or go unless you have a driveway of course? So in the end every one will be taxed.

What could they tax next Pedestrian Walkway Tax, for those who walk on pavements? Will they bring back window tax - I would not be surprised. It will come so lets not joke.

Why not make all train, tram and bus fares free for residents living outside the city boundaries who are traveling in and those living in the Edinburgh city pay to travel out? That would be greener, increasing use of public transport and cutting down on cars usage in the city. Better idea than there ever been. What a daft idea CPZ are, a extra tax for living in Edinburgh?

So what do you people think of my idea?
44

Statsman,

Edinburgh 15/08/2008 02:51:24
26 Alternative (High-Octane) Fuel Head

Please research the difference in meaning between 'loose' and 'lose'.
45

Statsman,

Edinburgh 15/08/2008 02:52:31
42 Road Raga

You are a communist. You hate democracy and free markets. Give it a rest.
46

Bernard,

18/08/2008 11:50:45
29Bonzo, 14/08/2008 15:12:24

"Oh, I hadn't realised the traffic wardens who enforce the restrictions work for nothing."
So who pays for those who operate outside the CPZ?
Does that mean parking permit holders should get a rebate for every ticket issued that is not in a residents parking area?

Suggesting that only motorists should pay for traffic wardens is akin to suggesting that only criminals should pay for the police.
47

Maxibus,

Silverknowes 20/08/2008 15:19:53
The good people who live around the Western General voted against the CPZ so they didn't get it. The same will apply to Morningsiders. Why the fuss?

 

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