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There's no two ways about it . . that's one sign too many



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Published Date: 02 August 2008
IT'S enough to drive any motorist round the bend.
Drivers entering a street in Sighthill are confronted with two competing speed limits after a 20mph sign was put up beside a massive 30mph order painted on the road.

Critics say the conflict poses a danger for pedestrians and drivers and have called for the situation to be cleared up. Both limits are statutory and not the "Twenty's Plenty" guideline sign often found outside schools.

And while the council admitted the signs in Sighthill Avenue are close, they added both were strictly legal because the 20 limit is slightly closer to Murrayburn Primary school.

Calder Road resident John Graham, 19, said the signs were a hot topic locally and that nobody could work out exactly what speed limit they were supposed to adhere to when driving there.

He said: "There's a big sign that alerts you to the fact you are entering a 20mph zone, then you are met by a whole load of messages saying in fact you can still go 30mph.

"They were put in around New Year I think, and everyone thought maybe they were going to take down the 30 signs and paint over them, but it doesn't seem to have happened at all."

Mr Graham, a petrol station worker who also serves with the Territorial Army, added: "All around here it's a bit confusing because when you drive up to Wester Hailes from Sighthill it's not really clear whether you are supposed to be going 30 or 40."

Conservative councillor Alastair Paisley, whose Pentlands ward is just beside Sighthill Avenue, said the signs was "infuriating" for motorists.

"Perhaps this is symptomatic of the Lib Dem/SNP administration's stop-start policy.

"There are roads in the city when one minute you're at 40, then 20, then 30 and up to 60. It's quite unnecessary.

"And then when you ask for street signs for specific reasons it becomes harder. I've been calling for a horses warning sign near Blinkbonny but was told it would create too much street clutter, meanwhile in Baberton Crescent seven Twenty's Plenty signs were put up."

The transport spokesman for the city's Labour group, Councillor Ricky Henderson, added: "My old ward used to cover Sighthill Avenue and we worked hard with the local residents to introduce street calming measures. This will cause a lot of confusion, if we want motorists to abide by these regulations then we have to be clear about them."

A spokeswoman for the council explained that the proximity to the school made it legitimate for a statutory 20mph sign to be in place.

She said: "A team have been out and while the signs are close together they are both technically correct."

The full article contains 463 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 02 August 2008 12:15 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

Dileas,

02/08/2008 11:13:04
I always thought the object of road signs was to warn and inform roadusers. It seems that it is enough for today's officials that they shouldn't actually fall foul of the letter of the law!

Incompetent charlatans! Their only concern is to not actually break the law - never mind about the usefulness of the signs.
2

allknowing,

02/08/2008 12:01:46
Whats confusing about it?

First there is a 20 sign, then a 30 sign!! No rocket science is it. Doesnt matter how close they are!
3

alex paterson,

edinburgh 02/08/2008 12:09:12
Why not just remember,Twenties Plenty.
4

geekpie,

forfar 02/08/2008 12:10:05
The photo shows it's a narrow road in a residential area.

All such roads should have a 20 limit, enforced with heavy fines for transgressors by more than 10 percent.
5

allknowing,

02/08/2008 12:12:47
~4, i think you will find that the peice of road shown is for one direction only, ie not two ways!!and then leads on to a two lane road.

Plus, its only poor people who live there anyway.
6

Jenny MacArthur,

02/08/2008 12:26:31
FuelHead moron will be posting here in a moment saying he should be allowed to drive along there at eighty if he wants. After all, he himself is so supremely skilled at throwing around his ton of metal in areas where old people walk and kids play, that he would never ever kill anyone himself. So that would be fine. Yes. Really.
7

Douglas,

Bathgate 02/08/2008 12:29:48
#3 alex paterson: But don't forget the Great Depression of the thirties. :o)
8

skyhater,

edinburgh 02/08/2008 12:35:57
no:5 - your a plonker. "only poor people live there". i actually live there and its one of the most sought after areas of Edinburgh for families to live. Where do you stay? leith? pilton? the McDonalds skip at the back of St Andrews street
9

The Sheriff,

02/08/2008 12:36:10
Has anyone told the council the schools are closed for holidays therefore no little cherished darlings at risk from nasty motorists.

I find it quite amusing the focus on stuck in the mud speed limits for example just because a sign states a maximum speed does that mean it's safe to drive at 70mph on a motorway in the monsoon conditions we experienced yesterday as opposed to a clear blue sky,bright sunshine and dry road?

In other words speed limits should be variable depending on a number of factors such as time of day or night,road and weather conditions and other potential hazzards.

With regards to number 4 should the law come down hard on a motorist who drives at 30mph in a 20mph school zone at midnight when the hazzards of school children getting hit are zero? The limt of 20mph is set during school hours and is another example of having variable speed limits.
10

Boy Wonder,

02/08/2008 13:09:12
20s plenty ... unless you just had 20 pints! Then keep out of the car anyway!
11

Deag,

Edinburgh 02/08/2008 13:19:14
Nobody obeys them anyway. 20mph speed limit in my street, and cars regularly speed down it, the council and police are uninterested in catching anyone.
12

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/08/2008 14:07:17

Boy Wonder ~10,

Judging by your recent posts, you have slowed down to 20mph already.
13

Rv2!,

02/08/2008 14:12:11
The way I see this is, there's a 20MPH sign, followed by a 30MPH sign, just like in many roads.

I'd drive considering the 30MPH sign to be the relevant one until I saw differently.

A quick question: Are these painted 30's actually legal or advisory? If they're legal and enforcable, then the game is set; The speed limit is 30.
14

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 02/08/2008 16:05:13
If any motorist is confused - it's simple - always drive at the lower speed limit to avoid getting into bother!! However, no doubt the brain-dead Edinburgh car driver will speed along at the higher limit then when arrested will moan and whinge suggesting the speed limit wasn't clear.
15

alex paterson,

edinburgh 02/08/2008 16:27:30
#7
No not really,but do tell.
16

The Sheriff,

02/08/2008 16:53:11
Ah good to see gobie tony on his usual anti car rant,with a bit of lick a speeding driver might knock you down one day and give us all peace.
17

"Hoots" Fandango,

02/08/2008 17:56:31
20s plenty, but 50s nifty.
18

Scotish Exile,

02/08/2008 18:41:27
#2, aye but a ton is great fun!
19

Waspy100,

02/08/2008 19:44:47
and you lot are sending me to sleep.
Good job I'm not driving
20

Poetess50,

Dundee 02/08/2008 20:52:02
Precisely why I ride a bike!
21

allknowing,

02/08/2008 22:49:52
"there and its one of the most sought after areas of Edinburgh for families to live"

LOL, who are you trying to kid, shitehill is a scummy place. Maybe try Barnton, Cammo, Morningside, Braids, Trinity. NOT sighthill!!!!
22

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/08/2008 23:14:08
4) A transgression is a transgression, How can I transgress by 10 percent more?
23

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/08/2008 23:20:38
14)Gobby Tonie's life is quite sad and simple. Everything is black or white for him, no areas of grey no not a hint of a tint.
24

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03/08/2008 00:33:48
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25

rs,

in ma house 03/08/2008 09:19:48
4 geekpie, forfar 02/08/2008 12:10:05
The photo shows it's a narrow road in a residential area.

All such roads should have a 20 limit, enforced with heavy fines for transgressors by more than 10 percent.

Good Idea, because the BIGGEST DANGER to school kids during the school run, is THE PARENTS themselves.

Instead of driving the kids the few yards to school, they should get of their rear ends and walk to school.

Then maybe we wouldn't have so many "over weight" kids and at the same time, reduce the danger to kids that walk to school!
26

rs,

in ma house 03/08/2008 09:25:14
9 The Sheriff, 02/08/2008 12:36:10
Has anyone told the council the schools are closed for holidays therefore no little cherished darlings at risk from nasty motorists.

I find it quite amusing the focus on stuck in the mud speed limits for example just because a sign states a maximum speed does that mean it's safe to drive at 70mph on a motorway in the monsoon conditions we experienced yesterday as opposed to a clear blue sky,bright sunshine and dry road?

In other words speed limits should be variable depending on a number of factors such as time of day or night,road and weather conditions and other potential hazzards

i) you may be surprised that some schools are open for activities druing the holidays

ii) you answer your own statement in paragraph 2 in paragraph 3, so you may get stopped by the Boys in Blue for failing to drive to the roads conditions that prevail at that time.
27

rs,

.of a council worker 03/08/2008 09:30:47
Who employs these people,

Do they ever read the "press statements" that they are asked to send or read

And while the council admitted the signs in Sighthill Avenue are close, they added both were strictly legal because the 20 limit is slightly closer to Murrayburn Primary school.

A spokeswoman for the council explained that the proximity to the school made it legitimate for a statutory 20mph sign to be in place.


So what the Council is saying is that both sign are legal

Is that you can drive at a Maximum of 30mph approaching the sign.

You then slow down to a Maximum of 20mph for about 2 yards.

Then after it You can can drive at a Maximum of 30mph.
28

SDRAWKCAB,

Edinburgh 04/08/2008 12:05:45
Good old Edinburgh City Council. That about sums it up really.

 

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