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Boost for campaigners over Forth Road Bridge lifespan



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Published Date: 11 August 2008
CAMPAIGNERS have welcomed news that the lifespan of the Forth Road Bridge may be longer than first thought.
Campaigners against an additional Forth crossing said news of the cable erosion happening slower than anticipated negated the need for a second road bridge.

The Forth Estuary Transport Authority said today the wearing away of crucial cables, which had expected to be the reason for the bridge to close in just over a decade, was not happening as fast.

This, campaigners said, would mean that any argument for a new bridge would have to be based on traffic levels alone rather than the need for a replacement, adding that this strengthened their hand as far as an environmental argument went.

The Scottish Government has already stated that work on the £4.2 billion bridge would begin in 2011 and take roughly five years to complete.

Feta's chief engineer and bridgemaster Barry Colford has met with the umbrella group ForthRight Alliance, who oppose the plans.

He said: "Although the cables are still losing strength, the worst case scenario of an HGV ban in 2014 now looks unlikely.

"However, although there is a good reason to be confident that dehumidification will greatly extend the lifespan of the cables, we still won't know for sure how effective this has been until it has been given time to work and the cables are reinspected in 2011/12.

"The bridge's long term structural integrity also depends on the outcome of precautionary checks on the bridge's anchorages and we won't know the results of this until 2011/12 either."

An additional crossing has long been seen as a dual answer to both the lifespan problems of the current bridge and the horrendous congestion problems during rush hour and when road works are taking place.

In 2004, an internal inspection revealed the cables had lost eight per cent of their strength and that if deterioration continued, limitations would have to be put in place on the weights of vehicles crossing the bridge.

However, opponents of the new bridge, which would be built to the west of the two current structures, said that the congestion argument was not a valid one.

They pointed out the more provision made for vehicles the more people would use them, and that it would merely discourage people from using public transport.

Laurence Marshall, acting chairman of ForthRight Alliance, said the new report gave their campaign a significant boost.

He said: "It think it is becoming clear the argument for a new bridge is going to have to be based on (increased) traffic levels (rather than corrosion)."

And a spokesman for Friends of the Earth Scotland added: "It is clear from the evidence that the impact of a second Forth road bridge in terms of traffic, congestion and green house gas emissions would be contrary to government policy.

"The studies commissioned by Feta show that the strength in the existing bridge cable can be retained or added to without excessive traffic impacts."


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  • Last Updated: 11 August 2008 10:17 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

The Wookie,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:24:53

Ok my litle green friends - I will now swim to work every morning!!

Ya Fu~S!!!

And before you start - I do car share...
2

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 11/08/2008 12:29:28
Given the massive increase in costs of other road projects such as the M74 extension this project risks becoming a bigger scandal than the Scottish Parliament, and if as seems likely that the current bridge can be repaired, it will become a bigger white elephant. It also makes it very difficult to reconcile with the SNP's environmental commitments, as it is clearly an additional road bridge, not a replacement as was initially claimed.
3

Heretic_,

11/08/2008 12:31:05
Am I missing something or is this the same story that was reported by the Evening News back in June?

The link is on the left of this page - "Forth Road Bridge not so corroded as feared"

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/forthbridges/Forth-Road-Bridge--not.4195702.jp

Teh Evening News must be trying to prove their Green credentials by recycling news.
4

rs,

in ma house 11/08/2008 12:32:02
strange


metal rusts, salty air makes it rust quicker

what would you do if you were building something over the sea.

Think about and plan for corrosion......NOT

bring back the ferries!!!!
5

rs,

in ma house 11/08/2008 12:32:50
no3 they've got nothing else to report,

Not a tram story for weeks!
6

Heretic_,

11/08/2008 12:39:31
The FoE guy is a little disingenuous when he says the cables can be replaced without excessive traffic impacts - I don't call nine years of roadworks, with contraflow for six months at a time and various complete weekend closures "not excessive".

This is what would be required - it was reported last year:

http://news.scotsman.com/forthbridges/Cost-of-replacing-road-bridge.3781361.jp
7

alex paterson,

edinburgh 11/08/2008 13:29:36
Hmm,who do we believe,so many fabricated stories.
8

Dileas,

11/08/2008 13:46:17
Forthright Alliance, an alliance of eco-loonies including FoE, WWF and even the National Trust for Scotland, managed to have the last project for a second crossing shelved. Otherwise it would now be open and running.

These organisations are either hard left or gullible enough to fall for the hard left's aim to destabilise Britain's economy. Neither is working in Britain's interest, so why is the National Trust lending its name to this alliance?
9

D Napier,

11/08/2008 13:51:44
This story is a little premature to say the least.

As the Bridgemaster says, FETA will not know for sure until 2011/12 whether the dehumidification system has been a success.

In the meantime, it is imperative for the Scottish economy, that work should proceed on the new bridge as quickly as possible, although I do thnk that Transport Scotland's prediction that it will be open in 2016 is a little optimistic.
10

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 11/08/2008 14:12:04
How boring to have to put up with Napier's tired old arguments for a new bridge. It is a wonder he doesn't argue for tolls to pay for it as well.

In complete contrast, how refreshing to have a new bridgemaster who does not engage in politicking but instead simply states engineering facts.

Let us hope that the provisional studies for a new bridge can be abandoned and some of the £100 million that is currently being spent on this can be saved.

Perhaps we should look at the option of enhancing the bridge as has been done on a suspension bridge of a similar age at Lisbon.

The 25th of April bridge in Lisbon was built in 1966 and like the Forth Road Bridge had 4 car-lanes; 2 in each direction, with a dividing rail. In July 1990 this dividing rail was removed and a fifth reversible lane was created to accommodate peak traffic requirements. In November 1998 the side walls were extended and reinforced to make space for the present six lanes.

Cars crossing the bridge make a peculiar hum as two of the lanes are metallic platforms instead of asphalt. Naturally there is no need to dig up and resurface these lanes every two years as seems to be the case with the Forth bridge.

Since June 1999 the lower platform has carried two railway tracks. To accommodate this, the bridge underwent extensive structural reinforcements, including a second set of main cables, placed above the original set, and the main towers were increased in height. The rail line had been part of the initial design, but was eliminated for economy, and the initial structure had been lightened. Original builder American Bridge Company was called again for the job, performing the first aerial spinning of additional main cables on a loaded, fully operational suspension bridge.

Given that he Forth Road Bridge has had 5 major strenthening modifications since it was built it might be that some of the work undertaken in Lisbon might not be necessary.

Send for The American Bridge Company!
11

Heretic_,

11/08/2008 14:24:46
#10 Thomas J

I agree it is good to see the bridge operators being open and honest about the engineering facts. This means we can have a properly informed debate about the implications.

However, it strikes me that both sides are being a bit premature here.

There is still no confirmation that the corrosion has been or will be stopped, so it would still be too big an economic gamble to abandon plans for a new crossing at this stage.

However, the Government and Transport Scotland also need to face up to these facts and explain what happens to their "replacement crossing" if the current one can be saved, as looks likely? It may well be that there is a strong argument for an additional crossing as opposed to a replacement, but we need to be clear about this before committing billions to the project.
12

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 11/08/2008 14:33:33
#11 I agree that there is a need to look in an objective way at all options.

That is precisely what the previous bridgemaster did not do. Instead of busying himself with keeping the bridge corrosion free he seemed to spend his working hours spinning stories about tolls and deriding tunnels in favour of bridges.......that was outwith his locus of interest and bordered on naked politiking.

Let us hope the new Scottish Government can also raise their game as the new bridgemaster appears to have done.
13

geekpie,

forfar 11/08/2008 15:20:06
One way to pay for the new bridge would be to re-introduce tolls on the old one.

This would also discourage long-distance commuting.

You're no use to your country if you long-distance commute every day.
14

Smasher,

11/08/2008 16:27:30
Are we allowed to build anything in this country these days? These lefty green, tree huggers try to put a stop to everything. Left to them, we'd all be living in Wig wams eating rice, beans and turnips.
15

D Napier,

11/08/2008 16:52:59
#10 & 12 - Thomas J.

Come on now Tom, there is no mention in my earlier message about campaigning for a new Bridge.

With regards to the tolls question, can I just as you one question, as someone who commutes across the Bridge on a daily basis. Your argument for years was always that if the tolls were removed there would be no congestion. Well here we are, six months after toll removal and the bridge is severely congested, just as I and countless others said it would be. Any ideas why this is?

Don't worry, I already know the answer - the bridge has a finite capacity and that is exceeded at peak periods.

I would just love you to admit that you knew this all along.

So, how do you propose that the new bridge is funded if there is to be no toll?
16

Heretic_,

11/08/2008 17:29:21
#15 Jings crivens help m'Boab, still wanting to argue about tolls? I thought we'd left all that behind us months ago.

Please Thomas J, do not take the bait!
17

Incandescent,

11/08/2008 18:34:39
#13 Geekpie
"You're no use to your country if you long-distance commute every day"

If you're actually from Forfar, what is you interest in Edinburgh and does it involve regular travel to and from the city?
18

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 11/08/2008 19:15:44
Q.#15 D Napier "So, how do you propose that the new bridge is funded if there is to be no toll?"

If a new bridge is found to be needed then the Chancellor should pay for it out of the £50 odd billion in taxes that he takes from motorists one way and another. Of this motoring revenue only about £7 billion is spent on the roads in the UK.

So the answer is simple (to me at least) spend less of the taxes raised from motorist on; nuclear subs, foreign wars, London Olympics, etc, etc, etc and spend it to benefit those from whom it was collected............the motorist.

Use the money to better bridges in Scotland instead of bombing bridges in Babylon.

19

D Napier,

11/08/2008 23:23:26
#18. I notice that you didn't make an comment about your previous claims that a toll free bridge would be a congestion free bridge.

20

Julian.,

edinburgh 12/08/2008 01:01:57
#19,

I notice you didn't make any comment about #18's perfectly reasonable suggestion about how the bridge would be funded without tolls.
21

D Napier,

12/08/2008 05:43:36
#19. No comment was needed. He answered my query with his view on how the bridge will be funded.
22

Thomas J,

Dunfermline 12/08/2008 11:30:22
#19 my impression is that the traffic is flowing freely and certainly better than it did when the toll booths were in place.

It is a pity that no accurate statistics were kept of traffic flow when the tolls were being charged.

Funny that when £12-£13 million was being taken in cash there were no accurate figures available but as soon as the tolls are removed there is all sorts of monotoring.

You weren't a toll collector were you Napier?


 

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