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Metal sections of Forth Road Bridge may be built in China



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Published Date: 17 July 2008
SECTIONS of the new Forth Road Bridge would be built in China and shipped over to Scotland under plans being considered by transport chiefs – when the work could be done less than a mile away.
The Evening News has learned that Transport Scotland is looking at the move in a bid to save money on the project, which is expected to cost up to £4.2 billion.

It is thought panels and deck units of the new cable-stayed bridge would be fabricated in China and then shipped to the Forth for assembly.

Unions and opposition politicians today hit out at the plans pointing out that Rosyth Dockyard, which is close to the new crossing, has a history of metal fabrication. But Transport Scotland today insisted that no decisions had yet been taken on where to build the bridge's decks.

Mid-Scotland and Fife MSP John Park, a former Rosyth Dockyard union official, said: "This is a real missed opportunity for Scotland's workers.

"The proximity of the new crossing to the dockyard at Rosyth simply highlights that we already have an excellent skills base here in Scotland.

"The new Forth crossing could be an ideal opportunity for the Scottish Government to create opportunities for skilled jobs here in Scotland so I am obviously disappointed to hear that sections of the bridge may be constructed overseas."

The Babcock-owned Rosyth Dockyard is well known for its naval shipbuilding but the yard has diversified its interests in recent years.

One such project was fabricating sections of the huge roof for Heathrow Airport's new Terminal Five. The yard recently won a share of a £3bn Government aircraft carrier contract which will secure work at Rosyth for the next decade.

Kenny Jordan, regional secretary of the Confederation of Shipbuilding and Engineering Unions, said: "Obviously a lot of this would depend on the timing of the work and whether there is the capacity at the dockyard given the new carrier contracts.

"But with any job we would want to see it kept within the UK and bolstering our own manufacturing sector.

"We need to encourage more workers into our skilled sector, more apprenticeships and this is really the sort of work which would help sustain the industry."

The new crossing was given the go-ahead last year after ministers ruled it was a cheaper and quicker alternative to a tunnel. It is still not clear how the bridge will be paid for but details are expected to be announced later this year.

Engineer John Carson, who founded the South Queensferry pro-tunnel group ForthTag, said: "I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if it went to China. Shipping costs are so cheap now and they must be looking to save money somehow on this bridge.

"However, if we are heading for a recession, and they go ahead with this project, then it is exactly the right sort of time for keeping this work in Scotland and supporting our own industrial sectors."

A Transport Scotland spokeswoman said the ultimate decision on where bridge materials will be sourced from will be up to the successful contractor.

She added: "There are a number of possibilities for the material sourcing and fabrication, and at this early stage in the project no decision has been taken."


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  • Last Updated: 17 July 2008 1:00 PM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

FrankGallagher,

17/07/2008 12:20:41
'considered' - being the keyword in the first sentence.

Andrew Pickin, its only a matter of time before fleet street head hunt you
2

sc_uk,

17/07/2008 12:24:14
"Metal sections of Forth Road Bridge to be built in China" - what? The story (eventually) states that no decision has been taken. This newspaper is full of rubbish and scandal, and doesn't even pretend to report facts.
3

Incandescent,

17/07/2008 12:32:22
I think we should all just stay calm and wait to see what D Napier has to say about this.
4

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 12:34:45
I think we should all just stay calm and wait to see what Sellotape has to say about this.
5

A Leither,

17/07/2008 12:36:29
What's new ? I heard from someone working on-site that the Scottish marble being used in the Platinum Point 'luxury apartments' was eventually replaced by cheap marble from China. Bet they didn't mention that in the marketing bumff ;-)
6

Jenny MacArthur,

17/07/2008 12:39:46
If they didn't go for the least-cost option, the News would be making a scandal of it about them wasting money.

This rag ALWAYS takes the most negative line possible. It's pathetic.
7

I love to eat Sellotape,

17/07/2008 12:50:33
I don't think we should just stay calm. Staying calm never solved anything. The French Revolution, Neil Armstrong landing on the moon, Rafael Nadal's first Wimbledon title, my uncle going to prison ... none of this was achieved by staying calm.
8

Bob 2,

17/07/2008 12:55:59
bizzare

No Approval, Plan, Design or Tender, but we are already getting advised that the bridge will be made in China.

Sounds like the work of TIE !!

A non Story
9

Duncan McD,

17/07/2008 13:06:03
I propose the unions agree to a pay cut and order an efficiency drive to ensure a competitive tender can be presented to prevent the Chinese from winning this proposed order.
10

Victoria Ian,

17/07/2008 13:10:58
If they are cheaper in China, get them from China!!
11

Incandescent,

17/07/2008 13:12:42
#7 Very true, but the fact remains that no meaningful discussion of any existing or proposed Forth crossing can take place without the perceived wisdom of "interested engineer", D Napier.

#6 Jenny: how ironic that you've managed to turn a plea for optimism into a bitter, pessimistic rant.
12

Incandescent,

17/07/2008 13:15:34
Ah, but what will the "carbon footprint" of the sections be once they've been manufactured in a country with almost no environmental controls and shipped around the world?
13

ghandi's daughter,

17/07/2008 13:19:24
Is there no strength in today's unions? What ever happened to the fighting spirit which has been shown over countless generations. Think of the Miners Strikes of the 70's and 80's - so they didn't achieve much and had to go back to work on limited terms, however, they gave the powers that be a massive run for their money. As a coal miners daughter, I was a product of the 70's strikes and clearly remember the despair my father and his colleagues felt, however, I also remember the marches and such like. It was all positive and fostered community spirit.
14

David Weaver,

West Calder 17/07/2008 13:21:39
So while the politically correct go through their "tendering process", the fate of this work being awarded to Rosyth or, at least a UK yard, hangs in the balance.

Any other country worth it's salt wouldn't even entertain the thought of such a prestigeous project going abroad.

And what about the retention and advancement of our engineering expertise? Something you cannot put a price on - not to mention the (polically incorrect) impact of shipping materils from half-way round the world.

You couldn't really make it up, could you?
15

Linda,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:29:53
A non story as the job has not yet been put out to tender.
16

Spout,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:37:54
Given what happened to the "Squinty Bridge" in Glasgow with Chinese steel, they shouldn't even get a look in on this project.
17

Freddy,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 13:51:14
#16 - indeed, they had to scrap the cheap Chinese steel on the Squinty Bridge as it was not up to the job. It took 6 months to fix, it would take years if the same sort of problems were found with cheap steel on the new Forth Bridge.
18

Ima Stoner,

HIGH street, edinburgh 17/07/2008 14:10:47
I'd rather not be putting money into China with their horrendous human rights record. What about giving the work to a British company instead.
19

Thane of Kirkcaldy,

Dancing in the Streets of Raith 17/07/2008 14:30:38
Chinese steel!!! Checkout the standard of their own schools in an earthquake zone. No thanking you.
20

tomias,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 14:30:48
Build a tunnel
21

I love to eat Sellotape,

17/07/2008 14:46:42
Build two
22

antifa,

17/07/2008 14:59:24
"So while the politically correct go through their "tendering process", the fate of this work being awarded to Rosyth or, at least a UK yard, hangs in the balance."

It's about cost-cutting. What the hell has this to do with political correctness?
23

beaver1,

Over the rainbow 17/07/2008 15:07:18
#18 Aye with human rights records in his country!!!!
24

My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 17/07/2008 15:19:02
18.

Yes, thank God for the UK human rights record. No backing for illegal wars, no complicity in extraordinary rendition, and the show "Ten Years Younger" continues to appear on our TV screens.
25

Maisie from Morningside,

17/07/2008 15:30:36
Better still, get the American Bridge Company to build a new bridge.
They built the Golden Gate Bridge - still standing in one of the world's worst earthquake zones after 70-odd years, and the Tagus suspension bridge in Lisbon which was completed shortly after the Forth Road bridge and rather than being ready for the scrapheap was recently upgraded to carry 2 extra lanes of traffic and a railway line.
26

POMPEII!,

17/07/2008 15:38:32
"Yes, thank God for the UK human rights record. No backing for illegal wars, no complicity in extraordinary rendition, and the show "Ten Years Younger" continues to appear on our TV screens."

So, it is some how justified to outsource the work to a country with a poor human rights record over a country which would provide income for its own people?
27

gorgeousgorgieboy,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 15:39:59
Aye, and there's my Auntie Jeannie's dental bridge. 37 years its been in her gob. And that is one gob that never stops from dawn til dusk.
28

My opinions count for more than yours,

because I'm special 17/07/2008 16:02:29
26.

"Its own people"? I couldn't care less where the bridge gets made, so long as it's made well.
29

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 16:04:15
Trams may be built from the decomposing corpses of Leith shopkeepers

Published Date: 17 July 2008

By ANDREW PICKEN

UNDERCARRIAGES for Edinburgh's new flagship tram project would be made from rotting corpses collected from the boarded up shops of Leith Walk under plans being considered by transport chiefs.

The Evening News has learned that TIE is looking at the move in a bid to save money on the project, which is expected to cost up to £530 billion in the first year alone.

It is thought joists and flanges of the new hybrid bus/train tram-like vehicles would be fabricated from the limbs of those put out of business during the preparations for the laying of tramlines, and then sprayed with metal to make them look more solid.
30

I love to eat Sellotape,

17/07/2008 16:11:06
That's the funniest thing I've read all day.
31

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 18:13:13
SNP at their best!! NOT!! Salmond wants everything for Scotland - but look how sly he is - cheaper metal in China - and he forgets the Scottish workforce. Those clowns that voted for him - hang your head in shame - look what you are doing - Scottish jobs down the drain - roll on the next election - cheerio Alex!!
32

rs,

in ma house 17/07/2008 18:28:15
whats the Problem

We've been getting, and quite happy with, getting billions of pounds worth of good from China for the last 30+years.

Take a look at your clothes or TV etc, Made in China or some other far eastern country.

We all want CHEAP goods, Jobs that where in this country manufacturing years ago have all went east.

So that we can have something at £1, when it would cost £5 in this country

Call centres are going the same way, so Do Not Moan when your job has been shipped off to the far east.
33

Sports for Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 19:04:23
it's all the trams fault! Im not sure how, but some one will work it out!
34

Sports for Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 19:05:14
thats funny - i didnt read all the momments, but someone has already connected them...
35

Sports for Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 19:05:45
comments, not momments... it's been a long day!
36

Duncan in Edinburgh,

17/07/2008 19:13:11
#31 Oi, watch it. I'm always entertaining.
37

Sarcasm,

17/07/2008 21:02:49
#37
Oi, watch it. I'm the sarky one around here.
38

Ian down under,

Kawerau 17/07/2008 21:46:43
It's a funny world. British engineers are building huge bridges all over China but we need them to make bits for ours. I think this is a conspiracy by the oil companies to increase their profits by having bits of metal and people flying all over the place.
When the Forth Road Bridge was built all the wire suspension ropes came from Bruntons in Musselburgh and now that's a TESCO. If Rosyth does not get this contract Fife will be up for a new IKEA/Band Q/ Asda and a huge car park maybe.
39

Ian down under,

Kawerau 17/07/2008 21:47:19
Oh and the huge car park will create so much traffic we'll need at least 3 more bridges.
40

Mr Fuzzy,

Edinburgh 17/07/2008 22:36:56
It will be priced like an Ebay purchase - the costs of the product and the delivery charge will have been swapped around.
41

SwampFox,

St Petersburg 18/07/2008 01:17:42
You can't pick up anything in most stores that's not stamped "Made in China". I try my best to find goods not made there, but it is getting harder every day.

Oh well, at least the Chicoms can't make bagpipes.
42

celtic4,

USA 18/07/2008 03:42:49
The United States used to manufactor most of its goods, and they were sturdy and useful.
Now they are nearly all made in China and none are worth a flip! Toys tear up within weeks, clothing shrinks or isn't put together right, tools break too soon, etc, etc. Please don't put people's lives at risk by having parts of a BRIDGE made in China! Not a good thing! Too risky with lives.
43

hibs 0-7,

Australia 18/07/2008 07:55:27
After the recent earthquake in China it was found that most of the buildings demolished were made from in-adaquate steel structure. In a recencently opened freeway in Melbourne crash barriers made in China were under spec for Australian safety standards. I don't think I would be in too much of a hurry to cross the Forth Bridge if it is Made in China
44

Ima Stoner,

HIGH Street, Edinburgh 18/07/2008 09:26:01
#42 - I totally agree, I have been trying to boycott Made in China goods for years, but I have also noticed over the years, that the stickers stating where the item has been made aren't always on the outer packaging anymore, but on the item inside - which means you don't always find out until it has been bought & paid for and taken home! However, I would rather do without than buy anything from China - if you buy cheap, it doesn't last anyway so you are as well saving up and paying a bit extra to get the quality.
45

Ian down under,

Kawerau 18/07/2008 21:56:32
Best use the train then?
46

firhill,

20/07/2008 18:48:23
Love all the psuedo posturing but its quite simple- the law states that public contracts are subject to open competitive tendering so how can anyone just decide it will be in Rosyth and MSP's like Park are just pandering to locals when he knows this to be the case.

Pathetic!
47

David C,

Fife 21/09/2008 15:32:41
At least a tunnel would have been guaranteed to be built locally, using local labour, and local materials. Sand and gravel from Fife, cement from East Lothian, and a bit of steel reinforcing rod from the UK. A bridge is not the solution!! (And I don't care what D Napier says.)
48

Lewis Draughts Man,

Africa 10/12/2008 19:02:43
Made in China does not sound any worse than made in Rosyth to me. Now, if it was made in Methil or Burntisland, that would sound better.

Why do we need to spend money we can't afford when there is already a bridge in place? Can they not set up ferry services for the commercial traffic while they repair and upgrade the existing bridge?

Hovercrafts and fast ferries into Leith and Granton. Private cars can go via Kincardine if they need to bring one across. It may be the best thing that ever happened for some folk. As they say "it's an ill wind",

 

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