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Ministers to face 'torrid time' over £2bn road bridge plans

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Published Date: 08 September 2009
SCOTTISH Government ministers have been warned they face "a torrid time" over their plans for the new Forth Road Bridge unless they answer searching questions on the £2 billion project.
Labour transport spokesman Des McNulty said there were still too many unresolved issues over the bridge – including how it will be financed, why it no longer includes a light rail or public transport lane and the long-term future of the existing brid
ge.

First Minister Alex Salmond promised a Bill to pave the way for the new bridge in his legislative programme for the next 12 months, unveiled on Thursday.

But Mr McNulty warned the Forth Replacement Crossing Bill would not be nodded through.

He said: "There is going to be very close scrutiny of this project. There is such a lot of money involved in this and it's so important for Scotland, we are not going to take anything as read.

"We are determined to turn the spotlight on all aspects of this proposal and if they cannot come up with answers they can expect a torrid time in getting their proposal through."

He said the parliamentary process of examining Bills in committee provided the opportunity to quiz experts on the proposals.

"There are a whole series of questions that we simply lack a lot of information about.

"The most obvious one is the financing. We are not convinced a road-only crossing is the best option from the point of view of the people of Lothian or Fife."

Mr McNulty also said there were problems with the government's plans to reserve the existing bridge for buses, taxis, cyclists and pedestrians.

"Is it credible we will have all the cars on the new bridge and a limited number of buses every hour using the existing one?

"As soon as there is traffic congestion on the new bridge there will be pressure on whatever government is in power to use the existing bridge, but that would probably mean upgrading it. None of the costings for the existing bridge have been factored into the equation at all."

Edinburgh West Liberal Democrat MSP Margaret Smith called on the government to improve consultation with people living near the new bridge. "Since the project was announced, consultation with residents has been poor and many have been left feeling confused and ignored by the government," she said.

Ms Smith said only contractors with a good record of working in Scotland, and delivering value for taxpayers' money, should be considered for the project.

A government spokesman said the new crossing could be funded from the government's capital budget, but ministers would still press for Scotland to be allowed to bring forward spending from Scotland's capital budgets for the next 20 years.

He said: "The peak spend will be 2013-16, so we won't be devoting significant amounts to the project for a few years. We will continue to pursue the point that we should be able to phase it over a longer period."



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  • Last Updated: 08 September 2009 10:20 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 08/09/2009 10:36:28
-- including how it will be financed

with money, credit. Full fiscal autonomy for Scotland would be the best option and with the scottish labour party's gimlet scrutineers not a penny of public money would be wasted.

-- why it no longer includes a light rail or public transport lane

Too expensive. There is no light rail in the vicinites. Public transport works perfectly well on 2 lane motorways. The existing railway network could be better managed with affordable pricing for commuters.

-- and the long-term future of the existing bride

Better than was first feared. No reason not to use for cars and vans which don't overstrain it. HGV traffic directed to new bridge.
2

Old Cartha Boy,

08/09/2009 12:02:39
Shame Mr McNulty did not apply the same degree of scrutiny to the Edinburgh Tram schemes which he supported blindly!

3

hibbie,

Edinburgh 08/09/2009 12:26:03
Why another stupid bridge which is affected by high winds and not a tunnel !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
4

Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 08/09/2009 12:35:56
Opposition means to delay the project as long as possible, then moan about the increasing in cost.
5

AKH,

Dalkeith 08/09/2009 12:41:40
No3 is spot on.
A tunnel would be a much more sensible option and I suspect easier to construct and with far less hassle for locals.
Does anyone know if this was considered and if so why it was rejected?
6

Hmm ...,

08/09/2009 12:52:29
... Des McNulty seems to reckon he has a good sense of value for money, just why I can't imagine.

I think, Des that politicians who delay this essential new part of the transport infrastructure will receive the opprobium (that's not a good thing, Des) of the electorate.

Labour's lack of investment in the road network since they were elected to Westminster in 1997 means that we have a lot of catching up to do to meet the continuing needs of the aconomy.
7

GJS,

08/09/2009 12:59:39
If the peak spend won't be for another 4 years, why worry now? We'll just cross that bridge when we come to it.
8

Lang Spoon,

Leithtenstein 08/09/2009 13:17:06
#5
A tunnel was not considered because it would not be sexy, world class, iconic etc, etc.
Politicians are so shallow really, they think we can't see through them!
Ignoring opportunities for our leaders' self-promotion, a tunnel would be the most sensible option.
But then, we are not expecting sensible answers here!
9

PeterPete,

08/09/2009 13:34:35
This reveals the SNP true colours:

MOney frozen and opposition to public transport, ie trams.
Blank cheque for cars.

They opposed the trams, despite originally supporting them, but are happy to consign future taxpayers to billions for this bridge. They call the trams Holyrood on wheels - the bridge will be Holyrood on stilts.
10

Xena - Warrior Princess,

08/09/2009 13:40:09
Considering the high winds this morning and the congestion it caused I have to say I agree with the Tunnel option. Maybe it was going to end up more expensive?
11

digestive biscuits returns,

08/09/2009 13:45:34
A tunnel would indeed be the best option and cheaper if I remember rightly, however a bridge looked prettier in the drawings. This is the only reason it was chosen.
12

Mèths,

08/09/2009 13:56:08
9

Rubbish. You don't really understand any of this do you?
Who voted for trams?
Sheesh.
13

It's Leith for me!,

08/09/2009 14:02:51
"ministers facing torrid times"; no they won't, they'll be living it up on the public purse while lining up 'post-power' directorships for when they get kicked out of office for being useless.
Why do we really need to go to Fife and Back anyway (on a shiney new big bridge) - if you want to go up north, just head up via Stirling - it's quicker than winding through all those wee roads and traffic jams. Folk only use the Forth Road Bridge because it's there; if it wasn't replaced (just keep a reduced traffic load over the current bridge)people would use other routes.
Pretty though Fife is, (and I'm one of the few about who love Fifers) would there be as much desire to spend several billion pounds if there weren't 'political' opportunities for backing or opposing the bridge' - would the same endless rows be going on if it was a route to Dunfries or the Borders - also pretty, with similar sized populations - this is just billions of tax payer money been thrown away without true purpose for political games, and no doubt quite a few brown envelopes
14

watcher,

Edinburgh 08/09/2009 14:44:48
They can`t find the money to repair the bridges they have.
After they stopped the tolls, the wee nest egg that the bridge board had built up is fast disappearing.
Never mind, the socialist will sort it out.
15

Jaco Pastorius,

08/09/2009 15:16:38
The best option would be attaching wings to all vehicles and letting the Scottish zephyr carry them gently across the firth.
16

ddmc,

08/09/2009 15:35:24
#5 The Postcard lobby managed to influence the decision, tunnels dont look as good as bridges in the photos.

LOL, i do believe it was something to do with the steep gradients, but others have solved this by building big circular descending/ascending roads into the tunnel (i think the Holland tunnel in new york has this) like a multi storey car park but obviously bigger.
17

Smasher,

08/09/2009 15:41:00
It must have great back in the days when if a bridge was needed it was built. Now we have to form committies, work groups, local resident groups, conservationist groups, animal welfare folk, everybody has to get their tuppence worth in. By the time this lot in charge decide to go ahead and build a bridge, oil will have run out and we'll all be cycling to Fife.

This country is finished, burnt out, doomed to be second rate. You only have to look at the Far East to see how out of touch we are. Never mind, at least these groups will keep the idle gentry, lawyers and local mouth peices well financed for a few years. The bridge itself will cost a billion. Funding all these talk shops will account for the other billion ( then there's the additional costs when things go wrong. They always do).

We'll end up with a boring, dull bridge. We should be building something spectacular to stand alongside the other two massive feats of Scottish engineering which stride the river Forth. Put Edinburgh/Scotland back on the map.
18

It's me!,

08/09/2009 15:48:28
Delaying the bridge/tunnel for political opportunism will get you no extra votes. You are on a loser.
19

steve 1511,

aberdeen 08/09/2009 16:00:06
more gibberish from the lybour raving loony party whos leader has great britian on its knees,how are these eejits ever elected
20

TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 08/09/2009 16:38:07
#5 A dropped tunnel (not bored under the seabed) was considered but it would affect access to Rosyth dockyard and Ferry terminal.
The problem is to find the cheapest solution. A bridge is the cheapest solution.

 

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