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Published Date: 29 May 2009
THE SNP government might succeed in its plan to spread the cost of the new Forth Bridge over the next dozen years – but only if the Conservatives win the next election.
Philip Hammond, the shadow chief secretary to the Treasury, promised yesterday to look again at the proposals if the Tories form the next government at Westminster.

The SNP plan, which would involve paying the £2.5 billion cost of the new road bri
dge over the next 12 years, was rejected by the Westminster Labour government last year.

Instead, the Scottish Government has to find all the money from the three or four years from 2012 when the bridge is actually under construction.

With a squeeze on public spending and a limited transport budget, SNP ministers have already warned many other infrastructure projects will have to be delayed or cancelled to meet the costs of the new Forth Bridge.

But Mr Hammond's intervention suggests that the Scottish Government would, at the very least, be greeted with a more sympathetic ear if the Tories return to power next year and, at the most, might provide them with the time they want to spread the cost out until 2021.

Mr Hammond held private talks with John Swinney, the SNP finance secretary, yesterday.

Afterwards, he told The Scotsman: "Of course we would look at this issue; it would be part of our engagement with the Scottish Government."

And he added: "

We have ruled nothing in and nothing out.

"We are not in a position to make commitments from opposition, clearly we don't have the technical support from the Treasury.

"But I think we have now got a good understanding of the issues, of how the Scottish Government sees those issues and some sense of the way in which the Westminster government is currently, or not, dealing with those issues."

The meeting between Mr Hammond and Mr Swinney was the first to talk in detail about financial issues for the devolved government if, as many experts expect, the Tories form the next government at Westminster.

Mr Swinney raised the issue of Labour's plans to squeeze public spending over the next two years and he wanted to know whether the Tories would implement the same £1 billion worth of cuts planned by Labour.

Mr Hammond said afterwards that he could not go into detail about the Tory plans but he stressed that every government department and administration had to be prepared for a public spending squeeze because of the mess the public finances are in.





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  • Last Updated: 28 May 2009 9:29 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Forth Bridges
 
1

The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

28/05/2009 22:20:20
What happened to the Scottish Futures Trust (snigger)?

How come that can't be used to build it?
2

The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

28/05/2009 22:23:47
SNP Manifesto Page19.........

"Over the first term of an SNP government we will introduce a not-for-profit Scottish Futures Trust, which will provide lower cost borrowing opportunities. We expect the Scottish Futures Trust to emerge as a more attractive source of funding for both national and local projects which will effectively crowd out PFI/PPP over time."
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So what happened?

Where is the SFT?

Has anyone caught sight of it?

Or is this just another empty SNP Promise?
3

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28/05/2009 22:24:50
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Brianwci,

29/05/2009 00:10:38
# 3 Mr Lagoon says: Swinney must resign now for misleading the Scottish Public.

But I say, Mr lagoon has been misleading the people on this board with his unionist claptrap for months and he hasn't resigned?

Are we talking pots. kettles, black, that sort of thing.
5

The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 00:24:51
4 Brianwci,29/05/2009 00:10:38

Who have I misled?

You Nats can't handle the truth!
6

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 00:30:46
#1/2/3/5,

I notice you're all over certain stories with your moral outrage but entirely absent from the Nigel Griffiths story. You'll be a Labour voter then? I guess you don't think it's sleaze if it's a Labour MP. And already tonight you've asked for several resignations. Why not add Nigel Griffiths to that? And there are not a few other Labour MPs you could add to the list. But, of course, it's a smoke-screen to divert attention from Labour's impending doom, isn't it. How does it feel to know your party is going to come third behind the Lib Dems?
7

Don Roberto,

29/05/2009 00:31:29
# 1,2,3,5. Heyup Rufus, how well do you think Labour will do in the European elections? Will you hold on to two seats or even one?
8

Iainbroch,

29/05/2009 00:47:16
re7

Looks like there heading for oblivion judging by how hysterical they are getting. You would think that with all those personalities that at least one of them would be calm and rational?
9

Edward,

29/05/2009 01:18:22
Of course if Sotland were Indpendent,it could finance the new bridge either through oil revenues, after all thats how the Channel Tunnel was financed, as was the M25. Or through borowing as a soverign government
10

FerryPort,

29/05/2009 02:05:04
"Tories may back SNP bridge cash proposal"

That is a crackin headline

may pay back
smambie pambies pay back

This paper is knickers
11

Scotindy,

Los Angeles 29/05/2009 02:36:41
The Tories supporting Scotland whew, what a load of Twaddle. THE LIEING UNIONISTS JUST WANT US AROUND FOR A LITTLE BIT LONGER SO THAT THEY CAN TAKE MORE OF OUR OIL GAS WHISKY and RENEWABLES TAXES TO london. Do'nt forget what happened the last time the tories came to power. 1979 referendum 40% minimum at the last minute thatcher. DO NOT TRUST ANY OF THESE UNIONIST THIEVING, DISHONEST, DISGRACEFUL, LIEING PERSONS FROM WESTMINSTER.
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im brian and so is my wife,

edinburgh 29/05/2009 03:51:44
the only seats labour will hold or get a good grip of ,will be done by mandy
we all remember the labour party telling us ,only labour could stand up to thatcher,and we all saw how scared of labour she was lol
because scotland voted against her,she gave us the poll tax,aye she was scared stiff of scottish labour
and as for cameron,supporting the bridge,aye will be just like thatcher supporting that hampden get rebuilt,only for it to be declared off side when she got in,a refurbishment,instead of a brand new stadium like wembley,oh they can find cash for london anytime
13

D Napier,

29/05/2009 05:34:30
Here's a radical propsal - why not use the method adopted elsewhere in the World to fund major bridges such as this - charge a toll!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
14

donald,

glasgow 29/05/2009 06:10:43
The creatures from the Black Westmonster Lagoon would rather see Scotland a swamp wasteland than have any development here at all.

I'd sooner have a Loch Ness monster and a Bwidge Over the River Forth than a costly English Queen in her London moat. The Brits helped to build a Bridge over the River Kwai for their their Japanese masters, but not over the River Forth from their London masters. They surrendered Scotland a long time ago.
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 06:22:33
#15 Donald. Untrue.

My concern is that if we had independence, Scotland would end up an economic basketcase.

It is thanks to the Union that we will have averted a depression and survived a recession.
16

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 06:28:06
16 Rufus if you think this intolerable situation,mainly caused by Downing Streets incompetence on the economy over 12 years is the best Scotland can aspire to then this country is truly finished.
My advice to anyone under 40 is ,if you believe Rufus here ,pack your bags take your family and do not just get out of Scotland get out of the UK.

Rufus from the lagoon thinks have only a recesion instead of a depression is great then the world is truly bonkers.
17

All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 29/05/2009 06:54:22
#15

That was anice comment,are we comparing people who do not vote SNP with mistreted WW2 POW many of whom were tortured and killed by the Japanese. Ah Donald the friendly face of Nationalism.
18

gus1940,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 07:26:25
#1

To get SFT to finance the bridge it would have to go before Holyrood.

In case you are unaware of the fact - The SNP Administration is a minority one.

AS the opposition parties are against The SFT any SNP proposal to finance the bridge through the SFT would be voted down.

It is thererfore the fault of the hypocritical opposition that the SFT cannot be used.
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Jeeemy,

St Andrews 29/05/2009 07:26:41
An extremely large pinch of salt is required to go with this article.
Any potential politician can promise the earth, but also knows and understands that there a great number of hoops that he has to pass through before he can even think of delivering. The first hoop is being selected, and in the current political climate that is not a forgone conclusion.
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29/05/2009 08:10:53
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 08:12:32
17 Scottish and Proud,Glasgow 29/05/2009 06:28:06
16 Rufus if you think this intolerable situation,mainly caused by Downing Streets incompetence on the economy over 12 years is the best Scotland can aspire to then this country is truly finished.
My advice to anyone under 40 is ,if you believe Rufus here ,pack your bags take your family and do not just get out of Scotland get out of the UK.

Rufus from the lagoon thinks have only a recesion instead of a depression is great then the world is truly bonkers.
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But the recession is Global. Countries like Ireland are in Depression. The UK is not.

So your advice for those people who should pack their bags is exactly what?

Emigrate to the Moon?
22

Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 08:13:26
22 HagbardMeanwhile, back in the real world, North Sea production peaked in 1999 and is dropping at more than 5% per year
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Yet another McRone type lie, I do recall Alistair (Flipper for short) Darling in his latest wheeze of a budget changing the tax regime so as to get an extra 25% I believe of extra oil out of the North Sea over the coming 5 years.

So that does not really commute with yuor typical Scotland put down

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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 08:17:12
20 gus1940,Edinburgh 29/05/2009 07:26:25
#1

To get SFT to finance the bridge it would have to go before Holyrood.
In case you are unaware of the fact - The SNP Administration is a minority one.
AS the opposition parties are against The SFT any SNP proposal to finance the bridge through the SFT would be voted down.
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With you now.

I am following your logic.

I presume their ridiculous 2011 referendum plans will now be dropped then as no other party will be supporting it?
24

noswod,

Honestas 29/05/2009 08:23:18
There are two problems with the new Forth Road Bridge, its cost and the fact its going tae be free. At £2bn it is at least 2x if not 4x the cost of building the bridge between Swenden and Denmark or accross the Tarn Valley in France. The existing proposed bridge builders should be sacked and the Swedes or French be given the contract for a bridge that includes railway lines at half the price it will also look good rather that the current design which must have been developed by using a blindfold and setsquare. The other issue is that its free, nothing in life is free especially a 2.4km cable stayed bridge over the River Forth. Why should it be free ? it could be funded from tolls quite easily at no cost to the taxpayer or income tax be put up by 1-2% in Scotland to finance it.The dependency culture of SNP and the Scots establishment peddles the false vision that things can be free. That the Government has free money and so we can get free perscriptions, free student loans, free car parking at hospitals etc, etc, etc. They are only free because the UK Government overfunds Scotland by the tune of £1,610 pa per head per year over the rest of the UK. What our dear Tory spokesman has not told the Scotsman is that the budget for Scotland will be cut from its current £33bn pa level down to £25bn pa. If the Scottish political establishment wants to continue spending, the extra £8bn will need to be raised and its tax at 65/70% top rates. This harsh economic reality will soon have to be faced by Scotlands leaders.There will be no money for a bridge because there will be no bloated overfunded budget for the Scottish Government. Under an independent Scottish Government spending would be about the £20bn pa level at existing tax rates because thats what the output of the Scottish economy generates. The Oil arguement is as valid as a win from the bookmaker, the oil is all sold off and running out. If Scotland want tae do something about the Oil it will have to spend £5-15- £150
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The Creature from the Black Lagoon,

29/05/2009 08:25:08
27 Wàrdog,29/05/2009 08:21:49
26. Do people point and laugh at you on a daily basis?
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Never happened.

If you would like to tell us how you feel when it happens to you, I am sure we would all be interested.
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Scottish and Proud,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 08:34:27
Rufus

So your advice for those people who should pack their bags is exactly what?

Emigrate to the Moon?
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Anywhere in Europe is better than your UK forecast, of avoiding a depression compliments of Westminster is the limit of your aspiriations.
The UK is WORST placed of ANY developed country to come out of this Downing Street aided global recession/depression.

Anecdotally, my son has been in Dubai since last August.
Though things there are also tough he has managed to get on the property ladder buy 2 cars outright and is coming home in June for a holiday.

Like so many Young Scots over generations he has had to go overseas to reach his potential.

That situation is acceptable to Unionists it is people not Oil or Whisky is our biggest export.

Not to Nationalists like me I want us to create opportunities in Scotland to bring them home ,make every year a homecoming year.

My politics are those of hope and vision not the doom and gloom of narrow Westminster Scottish Unionists who prefer to talk us down, and worse still keep us down with a foot placed firmly on our throat .



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Auld Twa,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:10:09
#1
SFT is to finance local authority projects and in law cannot be used to finance Scottish Government projects.
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29/05/2009 09:42:28
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CRAGman,

29/05/2009 09:45:08
... such huge sums of money would be far better spent on schools, hospitals, boosting cutting-edge medical research, etc. than on an additional bridge which simply isn't needed and will run counter to any attempts to tackle climate change. And that applies no matter how long the payment term.
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 29/05/2009 09:45:47
The Scots Tories are previously on record as being completely opposed to the SNP's proposal of spreading the capital cost of the new Forth Crossing, and are now playing politics?

The Scots Tories did not want to spend ANY future government funds on this new crossing and wanted a design and build PFI/PPP bridge which would be paid for with hefty tolls.

Does any voter know what the Scots Tories stand for?
What are their policies?

The ageing Blue Rinse Brigade are still treated like low-caste Dalits by the mass of the Scots Electorate
and will try anything to grab the voters attention.

Now that the English Tories appear to be on course to be the next UK government, the Shadow chief secretary to the Treasury and branch Scots Tories are banding about rash promises which they will probably be unable to meet in the present economic climate.

After previously pouring scorn on Swinney's plan to spread the cost of the new bridge the 'Tories in Branch' are now attempting to convince the voter that the Nationalist plan is the best?

Talk about "flip-flopping" but then again their MPs at Westminster are good at it?
31

Gregor Addison,

Glasgow 29/05/2009 11:27:57
The Telegraph this week reported that Labour could lose "up to 200 of the 500 seats it is defending, pushing the party into third place behind the Liberal Democrats at the shire level." And that Paul Kenny, who is a Labour backer, thinks 50 Labour MPs will go over the Expenses scandal.

The Guardian ran an article claiming that Labour are facing crisis, with 52 MPs applying for the House of Lords, in the knowledge that they may not hold their seats.

According to the Daily Mail, Ed Balls has conceded that the party are facing meltdown at the polls.

Last weekend, Bob Thomson, a former chairman and treasurer of the Scottish party, claimed Iain Gray had surrounded himself with incompetents.

Labour look like they are going to slip into third place, not only at next weeks elections (a recent poll had them neck and neck only with UKIP), but at a General Election. This could mean that Labour may no longer be the official opposition. It does seem like a vote for Labour in Scotland is no more than a vote to see if they can come 2nd instead of 3rd. Labour at Westminster, under a Cameron majority of around 150 - as now looks likely, would have little influence on the political agenda.
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Incandescent,

29/05/2009 11:50:11
#14

Predictably enough, one mention of the "replacement" (surely "additional") crossing and the monotonous D Napier emerges from his self-imposed exile.
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Incandescent,

29/05/2009 12:02:20
#32 Mikey (regarding Rufus) "In other words, he thinks like a five year old!"

I was about to say it's like watching a six year old arguing but, on reflection, you're probably closer to the mark. His partisan absence on articles that completely belie many of his claims make him look fairly ridiculous, as do the oh-so-predictable posts up to two hours before editions are available to others. Alakazam! Watch this post disappear.
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Mikey,

29/05/2009 12:19:59
#37, Incandescent;

I'm sure he's the Laird o Fookes! He has the same blabbering style. All bluster and absolutely no sense whatsoever.

No style and no class. Even wind up merchants have more class!

I don't believe he's Scottish and I certainly don't believe he finished secondary school!
35

Luigiana,

Aberdeen 29/05/2009 12:29:38
I rolled my eyes upward, and quietly whistled the "Bridge over the River Kwai" theme tune, after I read this story.

Scottish tories eh - wha's like em?
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Number 6,

Germany 29/05/2009 13:08:27
The tories see a glimmer of hope in Scotland. In their excitement, they think the up coming Labour melt down will result in more seats for them North of the border, hence this transparent attempt at fooling us into thinking they would be more cooperative than LABOUR.

The unionista movement, both MPs and associated Flocks, are becoming more demented by the day.

I hope the editor at the Telegraph has round the clock protection.
37

Scottish Toryboy is back,

29/05/2009 15:14:10
Our cosiness with the Nats may come as something of a shock to the voters in the traditionally Labour central belt who the Nats are so eager to attract, but it will come as no shock to the voters in our former North Eastern strongholds.

I just wonder how the Nats are able to get away with pretending to be an alternative to Labour rather than our good selves. I have to say that some of the relatively recent rhetoric about creating a pro business separatist Scotland wouldn't be out of place in our party (although, of course, we are rational and objective enough to see that separation really isn't the best course for Scotland's long term future).
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billalba,

fife 29/05/2009 17:55:34
#41 the nats arent pretending to be an alternative to labour they are infact an alternative to all unionist patries..the tories will get no where in Scotland.
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Canny Mann,

The Kingdom 29/05/2009 18:14:49
Scottish Toryboy what a load of clap-trap.

You said it yourself, the former tory strongholds in the northeast. After 18 years of tory misrule, under first Thatcher and then Major, the scottish electorate wiped toryism from the scottish political map. After a further 12 years of Labour misrule, the scottish electorate are sick of them too.

SNP continue in the face of partisan unionist policies (designed to undermine thier election manifesto and impinge on the SNP performance) to benefit the country and its people. The SNP talk up scotland, its people and the rescources at every oppertunity. The desire of a scottish government to benefit ALL of the people from the wealth generated by this country, is far different from the one which would be imposed from westminster, by the tory parties whatever the colour is: the red of Labour or blue of Conservative. Both Labour and Conservative have demonstrated thier politics and policies.
Under thier leadership, 'Scotland', an EQUAL of England under the Union of the Crowns, has been marginalised, undermined, begger'd for generations(repaying Browns Folly) and impoverished by the huge tax burdens and cutting of public funding.
UK children are the unhappiest in the western world, People are losing thier jobs, houses and hope.

Housing estates, once owned by town/city councils have been taken over by housing associations, who are unable to carry out effective repairs, turning many communities into "Ghetto's".

The Nats as you call them, arent an alternative to Labour or the tories. My god you over inflate your own ego, your vanity knows no bounds in the face of the fact there is NO alternative to the SNP.

Of course there will be political Lemmings, who unable to see the cliff coming, will scrawl thier X on a ballot paper in support of the union, the debt, and the illegal wars. Oh yes and the sleaze of Nigel with his cavorting about with a scantily clad female and a camera in the house of commons and other sleazy mem
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Canny Mann,

Kingdom 29/05/2009 18:15:40
Continued... sleazy members and their antics, or the expenses trough, the snouts, trotters and curly tails of the piggies in westminster.

The general Election next year will give everybody the oppertunity to vote on the status quo. I wonder how many people will think Scotland is to small, scared, or unable to do it Independantly. Who in thier right minds, would say "Lets go back to the old ways of Thatcher and Brown".

The scottish electorate have the oppertunity to emancipate the nation, the people, and her International standing(Freedom, the coming of age, to steer your own course). The alternative is the emasculation of scotland, impotence to influence westminster, the castration of our unique scottishness and the crippling intellectualy of common people, restricted to a further education system which burdens them with debt. The old forced from thier homes to pay for thier care and the sick forced to pay for thier medicine.

The choice is simple, tax, spin and poverty under the union, or SNP and free.

Alba gu brath...
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frank mcbride,

lusitania 29/05/2009 18:19:56
#41, Scottish Toryboy............

To paraphrase and erstwhile Unionist Party leader, Go back to your Constituencies and prepare for Independence!!!
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donald,

glasgow 30/05/2009 07:49:41
"#15

That was anice comment,are we comparing people who do not vote SNP with mistreted WW2 POW many of whom were tortured and killed by the Japanese. Ah Donald the friendly face of Nationalism."

#18.

Show me, please, where I referred to ordinary squaddies of the British Imperial Army, who were mistreated and whose leaders surrendered to a smaller force of the Japanese Imperial Army? It was the officers who collaborated with the Japanese Bridge over the River Kwai and the ordinary squaddies who wanted to sabotage it. The British Command and Colonial Civil Servants collaborated with the Japanese after the needless surrender of their Singapore colony. The Japanese who were stealing oilfields, etc, were just behaving like the "Britons of the East", whom they modeled themselves on.

Least said about British torturers and their traditional abuse of Human Rights the better.
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hoblar,

30/05/2009 23:49:26
Any UK/Union based party will withhold Scottish taxes sent to the British Treasury when it suits them, we have seen the precedent began with Labour, who began their ignorance towards the Scottish electorate when Gordon brown REFUSED to accept the decision made by the voters who inhabit Scotland when they decided on an SNP led Scottish Government.

Gordon Brown wouldn't even TALK to the Scottish First Minister.

That was not only a disgrace and contemptuous to a democratic Parliament reconvened under new labour in the first place, and utterly demonstrative of his being too unstatesmanlike for a political leader, but it was also an indication of the contempt he had/has for the decision the voters made during the Scottish elections in 2007.

New labour still haven't got over that one, and neither has the Scottish media even with a Labour party in political meltdown in the uk with a joke of a Scottish "opposition" in Holyrood.

Shortsightedness is a poor trait in politics, and Labour and their dwindling support have made a career out of it for too long, time to go, and Scotland will be a better place when and if Labour ever become electable again.


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hoblar,

30/05/2009 23:52:05
Sorry, the article:

Forth Bridge payment methods.......

The tories will shaft Scotland, just as their twin sister party Labour have done for 50 years until their hegemony was removed by the SNP; anything to retain power within the union is the motto of Labour and the Tories.

Don't vote for unionist parties in any election if you live in Scotland, that is my strong and sound advice.

 

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