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Published Date: 11 September 2008
A MAJORITY of Irish people want tougher controls on immigration at a time of increasing economic hardship in the republic, a poll showed yesterday.
Of 1,000 people questioned, 66 per cent said they wanted more restrictive immigration, while 27 per cent said the policy should remain as it is. Only 7 per cent sought fewer restrictions.


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  • Last Updated: 10 September 2008 10:42 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

Maisie from Morningside,

11/09/2008 01:19:33
Oh dear - we were always being told how those Irish loved all those lovely immigrants.
Last time I was in Dublin I think the only Irish person I spoke to was the cloakroom attendant at the Chester Perry Library.(I recommend a visit - a good restaurant too)
Of course Edinburgh's a bit like that too - if your waitress isn't Polish it's because you're in the Kabab Mahal.
2

Guga II,

Rockall 11/09/2008 01:23:20
The Irish are quite right, and the sooner we have very strict immigration laws in this country, the better.
3

SouthernGent,

11/09/2008 01:49:01
At least they don't have a 2000 mile border leaking like a sieve.
4

Lanna,

Calif desert 11/09/2008 05:30:24
#3 SouthernGent,
I'll second that.
I'm glad for immigration, though, but then my dad came here legally, after waiting 5 years.
5

Madbagpypr,

STEORNABHAGH 11/09/2008 07:22:11
My kids live in California and tell me how bad the immigration laws are there. My son says that most of the illegal Hispanics refuse to learn English and often pull their young children out of school to translate for them. This sort of thing is also gaining speed in the Asian and Middle Eastern communties.

I noticed that most of the older Irish in the larger towns refuse to learn gaelic and the Irish language is actually being used by the young folk as a sort of tinker's cant. I think it's rather fascinating. I tried ordering supper in Irish and the waiter acted offended.( My mum is Irish and taught me when I was growing up.)
6

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 11/09/2008 10:28:36
You have to laugh. After migrating to most corners of the globe, participating in the advantages of the British Empire and the American dream, but always distancing themselves from the societies they migrate into, just in case the said societies were subject to criticism, they now want to close their borders to other opportunists! What hypocrisy!

It's always true. Irish nationalism - good; any other nationalism (such as British) - bad.

See Gugall's comment for evidence of this.
7

Moloc,

Ireland 11/09/2008 11:30:35
"After migrating to most corners of the globe, participating in the advantages of the British Empire and the American dream"....??? You must be kidding? Participating in the advantages of the british empire? You mean centuries of oppression? The famine? Countless massacres, enslavement and the almost complete destruction of our language and heritage? Yeah we were really taking all advantages there. What a benefit it was to Irish society. The americian dream? Anyone remember the NINA signs? The "No blacks no dogs no irish" signs? What a dream. Really welcome there.


"they now want to close their borders to other opportunists"
Lets read the headline:
"Irish demanding immigration limits". One word really stands out "Limits". Not a complete block but LIMITS. We are entering a recession here.

"I noticed that most of the older Irish in the larger towns refuse to learn gaelic and the Irish language is actually being used by the young folk as a sort of tinker's cant"

Seriously. Where exactly did you go that you thought young people were using the language as a "tinkers cant"? I can assure you they are not. Young people are finally starting to take an interest in our language and its great to see. They are not using it as a cant of any sort.
8

JayDeeTee,

11/09/2008 13:03:02
Don't worry all you immigrants out there. What the Irish won't take Britain will.
9

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 11/09/2008 14:02:25
#7 - here we go again, the old Most Oppressed People Ever moan. Can't you give it a rest?

They say the Scots have a chip on their shoulder, but you are really deluded if you believe all that romanticised victim claptrap.

Centuries of oppression! Countless massacres! Enslavement! Where did that last one come from?

Get a grip.
10

Moloc,

Ireland 11/09/2008 15:59:51
Read a history book before you go shooting your mouth off about how the irish are a bunch of freeloaders. You obviously have no idea about our history. Enslavement refers to the 1641 invasion by Cromwell where 50000 - 100000 people were enslaved and transported to Barbados to work the fields. Read "To hell or Barbados". The figure represents about 10% of the population at the time. 500000 died in that war. From: countless massacres, famine and enslavement. Think that about covers it all. Of course no one cares cause its something the British want to forget and anyone who brings it up is dismissed as "romanticised victim claptrap". Again read a book if you want to understand the history. And I wasn't moaning I was stating the facts. Your the one who said we got a free ride I was arguing the point.
11

Guga II,

Rockall 11/09/2008 16:50:08
#10 Moloc.

Just ignore him, he's probably not able to see through his Butcher's Apron hoodie.
12

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 11/09/2008 16:56:44
#10 - read my posts before you shoot your mouth off. I think you'll find that the term 'freeloader' does not appear in anything I have said, nor did I state that the Irish (I love the 'we') had a free ride.

We were all British from 1801 until the greater part of the island seceded. During that time, the 'best years' if you like, of the British Empire, the Irish were full participants in both the expansion and benefits of the Empire.

I was illustrating the disingenuousness of the 'Irish victim' mentality.

I would also think the population of Ireland would be well in excess of 1 million in 1641. I would also quibble with your interpretation that Irish workers were 'enslaved' in Barbados.

I know that workers from all parts of the British Isles were indentured throughout the West Indies (many of their descendants still residing there, and known as 'redlegs')but they were not slaves - no money changed hands, unlike the poor Africans, and after a specified time, they were freed.

And do you seriously believe that the Emerald Isle was in some perpetual Eden-like Golden Age until Oliver Cromwell set foot on it?

Do you not think that they were 'enslaved' (your term) and their language, culture and heritage subverted more by the papacy, who were present in Ireland long before the English/Scots/Huguenot/British migrants, many of whom were fleeing religious oppression elsewhere?

Just as Britain accepts the inheritance of the imperial past by accepting immigrants from the former colonies and elsewhere with little demur, Ireland, as a participant has to do so as well.

So stop it.
13

Moloc,

Ireland 11/09/2008 17:32:47
For the last time read a book. And the famine happened in the 1840's. How was that a benefit? I have no problem with anyone British. Just the few narrow minded people like you who think the best thing that ever happened to Ireland was being in the British Empire. Like I said 500000 people died in the 1641 war so the population would of been higher had it not happened. And your "quibble" about them not being enslaved? Any evidence to show it didnt happen? Cause there is plenty of evidence to show it did. The 1801 act of union was made by politicians trying to solve "The Irish problem" as the 1798 rebellion had shown (on a huge scale) the resistance in Ireland to British rule.

"I know that workers from all parts of the British Isles were indentured throughout the West Indies (many of their descendants still residing there, and known as 'redlegs')but they were not slaves - no money changed hands, unlike the poor Africans, and after a specified time, they were freed." They were slaves. Young women and their children mostly. After the rebellion any male who was part of it was exiled from Ireland by law. Free to join any army as long as it was not opposed to England. This left thousands of wives alone and easily targeted for the slavers. Again if you do not believe me read a book or read Wikipedia. Its all there. I cant believe people post things like "Ireland enjoyed the expansion of the British Empire". Seriously. READ THE HISTORY. And for the record I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I am stating FACTS. Get yours right.
14

easy money,

brazil 11/09/2008 18:29:41
moloc -

the irish are a bunch of freeloaders and always think they are a special case....why is that?



15

Vote UKIP,

11/09/2008 18:32:47
Irish will be forced to vote again
Thursday, 11th September 2008

The Irish Republic will be pressed to hold a second referendum on the Lisbon/EU constitutional Treaty, officials in Brussels have decided.

However, the president of the European Parliament, Hans-Gert Pöttering, wants the Irish to vote again, and give the "right" answer, before next year’s European elections. He fears the poll will become a referendum on a treaty many people in Europe do not like.

http://www.ukip.org/content/latest-news/765-irish-will-be-forced-to-vote-again
16

Moloc,

Ireland 11/09/2008 18:47:19
easy money: Very ignorant thank you. I do not think Ireland was a special case. Vast numbers of people suffered under European empires. The benefits of said empires were very small compared to the drawbacks. Ask yourself this: Why are most, if not all, third world countries previous colonies?
17

C Carter,

London 11/09/2008 19:00:31
The people of Ireland are to be forced into another vote.

Once the Evil Lisbon Treaty is in place any agreements can by the way the treaty is written be changed and that includes immigration laws.

True civilisation began with the Magi of Ireland, they were slaughtered by the old NWO. Deep in their hearts the Irish people know this and I believe they will do all they can to stop the takeover of the free world by the EVIL NWO ELITISTS.
18

thebadguyswonworldwar2,

usa 11/09/2008 19:31:37
FLUB: Moloc is accurate and you are inaccurate(dead wrong, just not dead). How ironic and perverse it is in fact, that after many centuries of THE BRITISH persecution of the Irish culminating in the 1916 Easter Rising, the very next year, 1917, saw THE BRITISH create the Balfour declaration which de facto CAUSED Israel after the Jews won world war two(the big one). Cat got your tongue???
19

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 11/09/2008 19:33:14
Moloc - you said in your original post that 50000 - 100000 were enslaved in 1641, which represented about 10% of the population AT THAT TIME. I suggested that the population of Ireland was well in excess of 1 million.

I didn't make any mention of the famine in the 1840s - which incidentally also affected the western isles of Scotland.

I also didn't use the term 'enjoyed; please stop putting 'words in my mouth' and wilfully misrepresnting me.

To reiterate, these people were not slaves, as no money changed hands; and again, it didn't just happen to the Irish. Have you not heard of the Tolpuddle Martyrs?

You ask me if there is any evidence it didn't happen? No, however what happened to innocent until proven guilty?

Like all bigots, you have been spoon fed a version of history which then becomes the irrefutable truth and any deviation from that is denounced and becomes a challenge you are unable to address rationally.

Do you spend every day identifying yourself in respect of events that happened about 360 years ago?

Also the remarks at no.14, by 'easymoney' are nothing to do with me, and are coarse offensive and ignorant.
20

thebadguyswonworldwar2,

usa 11/09/2008 19:35:43
FLUB: Cat got your tongue???
21

thebadguyswonworldwar2,

usa 11/09/2008 20:13:06
Flubber: Cat got your tongue??????
22

FLUB,

a rocky outcrop in eastern central Scotland 11/09/2008 20:25:42
#18-20-21. No. I was typing my response while you were on, and then having my dinner. Mexican tonight.
Anyway, your post is laughable, irrleevant and stupid.

Are you Gugall under an assumed name?

Anyway, beat it you neo-Nazi eff you sea kay.
23

thebadguyswonworldwar2,

usa 11/09/2008 21:12:11
Flubber: As expected, your reply does not address any facts stated. You only call names and paranoidly suspect that Gugall is offending your mindset. I suspect you are not laughing. You do insist that history is irrelevant. You cannot spell irrelevant. Cat got your tongue?
24

thebadguyswonworldwar2,

usa 11/09/2008 21:25:55
flubber #22: Cat got your tongue????????????
25

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11/09/2008 21:29:51
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26

FLUB,

a rocky out in crop in eastern central scotland 11/09/2008 22:24:50
Moloc, I'm of to bed now, have to get up for work in the morning. Anyway thanks for engaging with me,I enjoyed it, and at least you were polite, albeit strangely intransigent.

You might be interested in this article from today's Daily Mail (yes, I know - something no. 23 would read)-rather undermines your stance that Ireland hasn't and still doesn't, enjoy an advantage from its association with Britain:

"The number of Irish recruits crossing the border to join the army in Northern ireland has soared since troops left the province's streets. SINCE PARTITION (my emphasis) Irish citizens have had the right to join the army and they made up 4% of recruitment in 2006, the year after troops withdrew.

But the latest figures show that, since April, 16% of all those enlisting in Northern ireland are from the Irish Republic, up from 10.5% last year.

[...]

Only British, Commonwealth of Republic of ireland nationals can join the British Army. There are more than 7000 foreign citizens currently serving in the armed forces."

Funny that, since partition, and despite Eire's assistance in wiping out 6 million people during WW2 by offering safe haven to Nazi submarines, Britain is still sufficiently generous and honourable to allow it's young men to join their forces. Makes you think, eh?

No. 23 - I noticed that I mistyped 'irrelevant' earlier; but I can still spell Nazi eff you sea kay.
27

USAKathleen,

USA 12/09/2008 02:28:58
I'm an American of Irish/Scottish heritage. It was passed down to many of my generation from our great grandparents of how badly the Brittish treated the Irish. The Irish immigrants were also treated badly here when they first arrived. No surprise as the people treating them like sub human were 4th generation Britons Americanized. In any case, the Irish were always better looking than the Brittish and had nicer teeth. Cheers!
28

ExpatJock,

Down Under.. 12/09/2008 06:26:34
Apart from all the bullshine above can anyone explain why on St.Patrick's Day and at Hogmanay immigrants from the Emerald Isle and from Haggis Land wax lyrical about how marvellous their homeland is but not one of them is willing to return there permanently?

29

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12/09/2008 10:58:27
Comment Removed By Administrator
Reason:
30

Fairfax,

12/09/2008 12:11:13
Moloc (10): You obviously have no idea about our history. Enslavement refers to the 1641 invasion by Cromwell"

Moloc (13): "Like I said 500000 people died in the 1641 war so the population would of been higher had it not happened."

There was no war in the British Isles in 1641. Cromwell's campaigns in Ireland were from 1649 until 1652 a decade later.

"READ THE HISTORY. And for the record I do not have a chip on my shoulder. I am stating FACTS. Get yours right."

You should take your own advice given your obvious ignorance of the dates of the Civil War. Further, the Irish had chosen to fight with Charles I against the Commonwealth. Is it really surprising they were treated badly on defeat? How would the Irish have treated the Commonwealth if Royalists had been victorious?
31

Fairfax,

12/09/2008 12:29:05

Moloc (10): "Enslavement refers to the 1641 invasion by Cromwell"

Possibly you're confusing this with the Irish Uprising of 1641, which had nothing whatsoever to deal with Oliver Cromwell. I'm not sure I would clssify this as on war, as such, given its relatively small scale compared to the later conflicts following 1642, but opinions do vary. You can learn more here:

http://www.british-civil-wars.co.uk/timelines/irish-war.htm
32

JPF,

12/09/2008 13:46:50
#5 - Madbag. Why should they learn english? In the US, there is no official langauge. Some states (areas larger than the UK on occasion) about 50% of the population speaks fluent spanish. They have spanidh TV, spanish radio, spanish speaking shops, restaurants etc etc, and work in spanish speaking environments. Why should they be forced to learn english when it isn't even the official language?
33

Mary Bell,

USA 12/09/2008 20:18:05
Flub is correct.
This history has been subverted, but the slave trade records still exist, and the truth is exposed in this 1 hour video:

http://www.honestmediatoday.com/who_brought_the_slaves_to_america.htm

34

Eric D,

Alba 13/09/2008 03:21:27
There is evidence that the Lisbon treaty was rejected for that very reason.

The last opinion poll I read about Scotland (2006) 60% wanted a reduction ( YouGov), which is not surprising. An important point here is that some 80% of the Irish immigrants come specifically for work whereas in Scotland that figure is 30% , the rest for family unification, asylum etc.
35

thebadguyswonworldwar2,

usa 13/09/2008 15:51:03
Flubber: #26 Yes, Moloc was polite, as I was also polite, and yet you have chosen to post no reply to the facts. Perhaps you posted obscene replies to me at 25 and/or 29 which were then duly removed. Then again, you may simply be choosing to ignore the facts. That is your right. Cheers!
36

Brodric,

14/09/2008 10:25:24
I am a bit shocked by the reaction to Moloc's comments.

In a way, both Flub and Moloc are right.

Like Scotland, Ireland has suffered a lot. However, it is true that the British Empire did bring a lot of benefits to the colonies, but ask Africans their thoughts on this. It is hard to rise above the negative things that colonialism brought.

Regarding the famine however, in Scotland the church organised assistance for the population from the landlords; in Ireland, the priests were in such cahoots with the landlords that they didn't bother. And although the UK could have done more, the Scottish situation illustrates the 'corruption' and 'collusion' that existed in Ireland from the Irish themselves.

For the record, the Irish and the Scots emigrated all over the world. This doesn't mean that one wants to see an unsustainable overflow of immigrants in any western country in current times.
37

bluehead,

edinburgh 15/09/2008 11:35:08
the Irish seem to be the only nation in the world whose brains are in working order,immigration has been turned into a terrible mess,you can bet your boots the people,in majority ,would like things to return to what they used to be,if they got all the layabouts working ,we would not need any immigrants,
Britain is on it's way down down the plug hole with this labour lot.
38

Brad,

Glasgow 17/09/2008 10:51:27
#37 "what they used to be"? What was that then?
39

Brett L,

Toronto, Canada 20/09/2008 19:58:45
I'm from Toronto and we have a huge problem with mass immigration. 20 years ago Toronto was mostly Canadian of Celtic and English descent and we had a wonderful, peaceful society. Today 53% of people in Toronto are non-white and 60% were not born here. Are society is rampant with crime now (4 drive by shooting just last week, that killed innocent people) and we are constantly being told to tolerate everyone. Toronto is lost and I fear the rest of Canada is not be far behind. The population of Toronto is roughly the same as Ireland... Please don't let what happened to us happen to you. You don't have to hate immigrants or become a racist... just protect you culture because take it from me... it can disappear pretty darn fast.

Brett
Toronto, Canada

 

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