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Published Date: 10 September 2008
SCOTTISH firms have almost three times as many vacancies for skilled workers as companies in England, according to a new report.
The study also includes a list of jobs, such as ballet dancer and sheep shearer, that need to be filled by immigrants to counter shortages across the UK.

Firms are struggling to retain foreign workers because of higher wages in England or in the North Sea oil industry.

The report, by a panel of economists analysing the importance of immigration to the UK's economy, found that 11 of every 1,000 jobs which migrants are needed to help fill are vacant in Scotland, compared to just four in every 1,000 in England.

The economists detail the 700,000 vacancies they believe should be filled by skilled migrants, from hospital consultants and maths teachers to racehorse trainers and hovercraft officers.

Three extra categories were added to cope with Scotland's specific needs – manual filleters for frozen fish plants, elderly care nurses and speech therapists.

The report also exposes the frustration felt by Scottish companies whose efforts to hire foreign staff collapse when they receive a better job elsewhere.

One fish-processing plant in Peterhead was forced to slash production last year after changes in immigration rules – combined with higher off-shore salaries – made it almost impossible to attract foreign workers.

Other employers, particularly those in rural or remote areas, said there were problems "across all sectors and occupations".

There was also concern that the UK government's plan for a "points-based" system of deciding which people to allow into the country offered workers no incentive to come to Scotland, where wages were lower.

The Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) report recommends cutting the jobs available to skilled migrants from one million to 700,000. Under the government's aim of "British jobs for British workers", Westminster is changing the rules to force firms to prove they cannot find British or European Union candidates to fill vacancies before they are allowed to recruit from outside the EU.

The expert panel did not believe that some professions – such as midwives, senior civil servants and hairdressers – should be filled by immigrants.

It also excluded general practitioners and all teachers, except those teaching maths or science. Non-EU social workers, most skilled construction workers, IT specialists and architects were also barred.

Professor David Metcalf, the MAC chairman, said: "Don't think we are a soft touch. There are rather more jobs which we have excluded from the list than we have included."

Prof Metcalf said the committee had asked Scots businesses whether they could make more effort to recruit workers from the UK, adding: "The answer was, 'We find it difficult to do that'."

Niall Stuart, of the Scottish Council for Development and Industry, welcomed the fact that Scotland's skills shortage had been recognised but added: "I'm sure there are many more industries in Scotland that would want to be on a special list."

Iain Ferguson, of CBI Scotland, said: "We must not fall into the trap of thinking that immigration is the sole solution to the skills problems. It cannot be an alternative to up-skilling our home-grown workforce."


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  • Last Updated: 10 September 2008 3:52 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Immigration and refugees
 
1

Resolutions,

10/09/2008 00:11:25
Perhaps better wages, would encourage our own folk to stay?

In view of the debacle made over Doctor training,for example, why should our new graduate doctors stay when they are not offered posts?

We have the skills but are not using them properly.
2

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 00:23:38

Resolutions ~1,

Agreed! But one thing is for sure, this is,..

....'age-old-history', we have always been the,..

...'oppressed-ones'
3

nolimits,

Far North 10/09/2008 01:19:24
Same with us over here in Canada. Makes one wonder just what the (civil servants) what an oxymoron, are thinking or not, about.
BTW #2 Charles: Thank you for the comment yesterday. Showed it to the better half (by far), and got a 'maybe' on attending the clan gathering next year.
4

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 01:39:48

nolimits @#3,

Good that's nice, your "better half" (darling wife) was let down to the extreme, by what we call 'numpties'

I did read your caught-up-post 16hours as you said and I left you a reply, to read it 'google it' and put subject matter followed by my name then Scotsman News, if you cant find it here.

Hope you make your "clan gathering" and the offer still and will always stand!

Let your "better half" know, we are a 'Loving Nation' and most don't act like the few that your darling wife experienced.

Best Regards to you and your "better half" (darling wife)

5

kentigern,

U.S.A. 10/09/2008 04:04:52
Mr. Linskaill,

I have been to your fair country and met a few people both young and old and they iterated what I had read about Scotland getting quite the raw deal from England over the centuries. As an American of Irish and Acadian French descent we quickly found common ground, that is the English had been the source of many sorrows. Upon recounting the story of the exile of my ancestors from Acadia, now Nova Scotia, to a young university aged gentleman his only response was, Ah! The English you got to love them." I didn't meet a very large amount of people in Scotland, but is the attitude that Scotland is an oppressed lot commonplace?
Your country is a glorious place and I would love to live there someday. I just hope it can retain its cultural identity and not completely be washed away by the tide of Britain's former colonies' foreign workers and non Scot emigrants.



6

Royster,

10/09/2008 04:09:38
#5. Wasn't it the Scots who booted the Acadians out of 'Nova Scotia'?
7

Royster,

10/09/2008 04:11:18
#5. Aren't most 'Orange Irish' descended from Scots immigrants?
8

Royster,

10/09/2008 04:14:41
I believe that anyone who wants to work in the UK should be able to come over and give it a go without the need for visas. Just as long as they pay some kind of deposit to cover for social security expenses (US$10,000). Residency after 7 years of tax paying and citizenship after 10. Much easier to administer.
9

Scunnered!!,

Boulder, Colorado, USA 10/09/2008 05:17:35
This is quite an eye opening story and one that I find very ironic.
As a native Scot currently based in the US, I'm trying to permanently relocate back home to Scotland after 13 years here and so need to find a job. Doing so proves to be somewhat difficult even with the many online jobsites advertising jobs in Scotland. If you can get to talk to a recruiter or even better get one to call you back then you're doing well! The time difference may be one reason for lack of communication but aren't we in a global economy?

I heard that Wee 'Eck wants the Scot that left over the years to come back and help the country grow. That's great, I'm all for it, in fact I really want to do it and be there to contribute to the country that gave me birth but could you make it a wee bit easier to do?

How about a Scottish Enterprise sponsored web site specifically for Scot's wanting to come home that lists all of the jobs that Scot's companies are allegedly having problems filling? That way you get the benefit of home grown talent with international experience that can speak the lingo. Parliamo Glesga anyone?
10

jarmon,

texas 10/09/2008 06:08:24
#5--i once met a mclean who was here in the states on vacation.I asked him if there were ever still any hard feelings between any of the clans.He said,"no. now everybody just hates the english".Just thought i'd share that.
11

Col. Blimp­IV*,

10/09/2008 06:43:50
"11 of every 1,000 jobs which migrants are needed to help fill are vacant in Scotland, compared to just four in every 1,000 in England."

985 of every 1,000 jobs which migrants are needed to help fill are vacant in Wales?

This paper is getting worser and worser!
12

Geoff,

sa 10/09/2008 06:55:29
5 Kentigern-what a pile of textbook racist pony.
13

Ian Russell,

Nova Scotia 10/09/2008 06:56:25
Royster. comment number 6. It was not the Scots who booted out the Acaidians from Nova Scotia but was in fact our GOOD old Fiends south of the BORDER, yet again English Dominance changed the face of the world. I am a fellow Scot who now lives in Nova Scotia and I have been working very hard with tremendous support from both the Scottish and Nova Scotia Governments to have a NOVA SCOTIA WEEK to be held annualy in the city of Stirling, where the Founder of Nova Scotia Sir William Alexander was the 1st Earl of Stirling. This will give Nova Scotians and Maritimers the opportunity to come back home to the Birthplace of the Province . We have the very same Immigration issue s/problems here and I am a member of the newly formed Immigration advisory Council to the Minister of Immigration The Honourable Len Goucher. We are taking very positive steps to solve our problems by dialouge and discussion. Nova Scotia and in fact Canada has been built upon Immigration. I am very proud to be a Scot and just as prousd to be a NEW SCOT. I welcome all my fellow Scots and English, Irish, Welsh and Americans etc to come and vist this wonderful Province called NEW SCOTLAND. I would also like to tell the people of Scotland that your Government led by Alex Salmond are highly respected here and in particular three of your Ministers have been very , very helpful to the work we are doing. The Honourable Jim Mather, The Hounarble Linda Fabiani and The Honourable Kenny MacAskill. We look forward to working with you to increase Immigration, Tourism, Culture, Heritage, Education and Economic Development including Wind & Tidal development. Scotland stands Proud in the World, you are not a nation that is oppressed any longer but a Vibrant and exciting Nation with its greatest assset being the People of Scotland. We will see you all in September 2009 at Nova Scotia Week and we are looking forward to being a large part of Homecoming 2009. Should anyone want any information on Nova Scotia,or No
14

Geoff,

sa 10/09/2008 06:56:45
11 Col Blimp-howsit Blimp! Shouldn't that be worserer and worserer?
15

SouthernSkye,

Bonnie Bonn 10/09/2008 07:06:47
Cost of Living and weakness of the Pound v Euro.
2 reasons for lacking skilled workers.
Third reason is the big...."We don't want foreigners coming and taking our jobs" (UK-wide attitude).

Need to get the cost of living down (housing is already heading down to find a genuine sustainable plateau), bring the pound back to around 2/3 of a € instead of 4/5 of a € and try to steer clear of the media induced frenzied debates on foreign workers.
16

nabodican,

Rural Scotland 10/09/2008 07:09:22
Sheep shearing !! At this time of year ?
17

Banana Heid,

Ayrshire 10/09/2008 07:14:18
They can have my crappy job if they want. I'm splitting this crappy Country first chance I get...
18

FedUpTaxPayer,

Edinburgh 10/09/2008 07:24:47
Could we not train some of the unemployed to do some of these jobs, thereby filling the vacancy and giving that person some employment?
19

Royster,

10/09/2008 07:44:06
#13. So only the English were responsible? It had nothing to do with Scottish settlers, Scottish troops etc all fighting alongside the English under the Great British flag like George Washington? Must have been reading the wrong books.
20

Royster,

10/09/2008 07:54:57
#20. LIT is a disaster waiting to happen. One integrated economy, 2 income tax regimes all linked to whether you own a home or not. More jobs for the bureaucrats. By the way, if the LIT is based on residency... how does the government know you are resident in Scotland? How can they check and be absolutely certain? How many court cases will they face if they bill the wrong people and it is challenged?
21

Flava Flav,

Overseas 10/09/2008 07:56:23
After studying engineering at Strathclyde University, the jobs available in Scotland were poor and paid even worse. After searching for a couple of months I had to go to London to realise my ambitions. Now I'm overseas working and doing really well. I would like to work in Scotland but the pay is rubbish and the taxes are too high. And now the SNP want to increase the taxes by a further 3p in the pound.

I love Scotland and would prefer to stay there but sadly the only time I'm back is on short holidays. The system has left me exiled in search of a better life.
22

carrottop,

Dumfries 10/09/2008 07:59:45
If we trained our young instead of leaving them to hang around street corners we wouldn't need anyone. Going through the unpleasant experience of trying to find something worthwhile for my teenage son to do in Dumfries and believe me its a brick wall.
Probably lots of stay at homes on early pension or benefits who will say there is plenty out there if you are willing to look but there most certainly is not, the employers answer to everything now seems to be take on a foreigner its cheaper than training our own and we can always get rid of them when we feel like it.
Depressed me typing this out, pass the buckfast someone.
23

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 10/09/2008 08:01:00
10% of Scottish families have no one in work. Why are these lay-abouts not forced into training (physical and mental and skills) to take up these vacancies?
24

mr angry,

ayrshire 10/09/2008 08:11:24
#22 The LIT will not mean extra tax , it will be offset in majority of cases by NO council tax. If it is as SNP say , then for most people it will be a tax CUT for many people. We do have to wait and see if this is the case but it is the intention.
25

Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 10/09/2008 08:20:25
Is "up-skill" management speak for "training"?

I really detest management speak. Any one else feel the same?
26

Royster,

10/09/2008 08:20:47
#25. Ah... the way to hell is paved with good intentions. Can anyone answer my question; how can the Scottish government 'prove' residency in Scotland? The beauty about Council Tax is that you are taxing the home not the person and homes do not tend to be as mobile as people.
27

thinking,

Scotland 10/09/2008 08:40:25
Wasn't it Scots who kicked out Scots in the north?

There would be plenty of employees if all the feckless were forced to work instead of living off the backs of those who do work.
28

Jings Crivens,

10/09/2008 08:54:55
13 Ian Russell

Thank you to our tourist representative from Nova Scotia.

Although quickly reading your history, you should also be have a New France Week as the first settlement was established by the French and it was a French colony for decades.

Also don't forget the New English week to celebrate the English forces that helped Scotland drive the French out in 1627

You should also have a New Britain Week as it was the British forces that regained the territory from the French (after it was returned in the 17th century to them by Charles I - but that’s politics for you)

Once again SNP supporters warping history to suit their own political agenda with the argument falling apart under scrutiny
29

Sile,

Planet Earth 10/09/2008 08:56:24
20# Oh please don't ask the ranters to stop, it is what I call my Big Yin moment reading their posts gives me a laugh to start the day with.. Trouble is they all believe the super racist Mel Gibson version of history..
30

Scotsman of Kent,

10/09/2008 09:12:12
QUOTE: Prof Metcalf said the committee had asked Scots businesses whether they could make more effort to recruit workers from the UK, adding: "The answer was, 'We find it difficult to do that'."

Yes, they find it difficult to offer jobs to people who might be English! I'm Scots born and bred, and have been trying to move back for years, but my gentle nondescript accent sounds slightly Scots to the English and definitely English to the Scots (always did, too). I have been offered EVERY job I have ever interviewed for in England (bar none) and NONE of the jobs I have interviewed for in Scotland, and there is no other difference that can account for it than misguided bigotry.

So how am I expected to "come back and help the country grow" (#9) if the country doesn't even want one of its own? My successful career looks like it will continue south of the border. Maybe I'm saving my English-born wife a lot of racism anyway.
31

Shaken,

10/09/2008 09:24:06
Anyone watch the Newsnight Scotland show last night on the Saudi Arabia of the West?
32

Royster,

10/09/2008 09:29:05
#33. The Scots are appreciated in England. English bosses will always employ Scots as they can always be used to put the wind up the locals and make them work harder. Glaswegians and highlanders are particularly in strong demand. English capital and the size of the English economy plus Scottish leadership is what made the UK great.
33

Publius,

London 10/09/2008 09:31:36
#5 kentigern,U.S.A

We have a native American in my office. According to him it was Americans of Scottish and Irish descent like you who wiped most native Americans out and stole their country - half a continent. Before you whinge about the doings of the English in North America perhpas you should apologise for what white Americans have done to native Americans and black slaves too.
Also when are you going to give California and Mexico back to Texas? If you don't give them back soon, Mexiscans will soon outnumber whites in these states and take them back themselves.
34

Publius,

London 10/09/2008 09:35:52
#33 Royster
I recognise and share your problem. And on the odd occasion I have taken my English girlfriend to Scotland she has always commented on the anti-Englishness of some of the people we have met.
Quite a lot of Scots have a chip on their shoulder about the English, but hardly any English have a problem with Scots (except about football).
35

Alan B,

10/09/2008 09:41:05
One of the big underlying problems is the failure of government to deal with the skills issues. While labour talked a good game about dealing with skills issues it have failed to seriously address the issue.

Take denistry. Shortage of denists and massive over subscription of people applying to study denistry.

Government tend to focus all their training effort at the unemployed rather and ignore developing the skills of those in employment to make them more employable.


36

Alan B,

10/09/2008 09:46:47
#33 While you maybe correct, I would say it is much more difficult to get a job in Scotland compared to London for a variety of reasons. To what extent are you willing to lose salary. Accept a lesser job.

In london it is easy to get a job with very little knowledge of the job area. In scotland it is completely the opposite from what i have found.
37

Jings Crivens,

Paisley 10/09/2008 09:48:33
35 Royster

Having worked regulary with English colleagues over the last 30 years, I have no found difference in their work ethics compared to the Scots. They have good and bad people just like we do and the presence of Scot makes no difference at all to their productivity.

I used to think, like you, that Scotland were the brains with English clout but I've grown up now and realise that its British Brains with British clout that is responsible for Btitains success
38

Alan B,

10/09/2008 09:55:30
#40 Would generally agree with that comment.

Although there are more suttle type of differences. An example if this was i was told by a scottish builder who worked in london, how much harder they worked on building sites down there. Scottish sites you are not allowed to work hard.
39

morris,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 09:56:22
37

Whilst I bear no malice personally,I have to point out that just as reactions vary on the part of Scots,attitudes vary on the part of English visitors.
I have often been accused of being nasty toward English people,when in fact what I objected to was arrogance (or was it just plain ignorance).
The nationality of their arrogance was of no consequence to me.
I would welcome anybody here personally and my partner is from Greater Merseyside (but they insist they are Lancastrian).

No doubt there is a healthy disdain at times but that works two ways of course.

Where there is downright rudeness however, and clearly no justification for that, I would agree with you.
I also detest some attitudes myself and its from the South every bit as much as from here!
Lets both accept responsibility here for a relationship that needs to improve.
If we assume the blame lies on one side only , then we are the people who should know better!
40

Mcsnagpile,

10/09/2008 10:03:37
Scotland does not need immigrants. The Scottish government must ban all non-EEC emigrants. Scotland has housing estates, no man's lands of chronic unemployed and unskilled. We have vast empty areas lacking communication and transport infrastructure. We have people huddled together in council estates seeping into the doldrums and desolation. Scotland must take command of its people, business and resources. We can no longer afford high illness and mortality rates; we cannot afford filling our prisons. When Scotland has full sail under it’s own steam then we can consider foreign labour. The sending of Scottish youth to London, and anywhere but Scotland is nothing other than a serious crime against the Scottish people.
Free-market enterprise means high capitalised foreign firms can undercut Scottish firms put them out of business and then use Scottish labour to export profits. As the final insult they use imported labour to cut Scottish labour rates--- nothing free about it–very expensive for Scotland.
41

Royster,

10/09/2008 10:03:48
#42. Have you ever had any trouble with northern English?
42

Brodric,

10/09/2008 10:13:24
Instead of relying on bringing in migrant workers - why not try to help UK nationals to choose jobs in areas where they are required. That way we would have more graduates working in professional jobs, rather than working in bookshops as their chosen profession has no vacancies.

Young people at school have no idea the number of different jobs available to them - let alone how to get to that point. They need more help.

Those who have already left school without work should also be helped to retrain.

We don't need migrant workers whilst we have unemployment at the rate we have it in the country.
43

Alec in Chicago,

Chicago 10/09/2008 10:24:52
36 Publius

Give Mexico back to Texas?

A lot of people seem not to understand that Mexico itself was/is a nation built on conquest. Any idea how many native peoples the Spanish murdered in Mexico?

(Spanish) Mexico originally stole what is modern Mexico, California, Texas, etc., from the Native Americans. Tangled, isn't it?

Is one conquest acceptable while the succeeding one is not? I am not defending either, just wondering why one is not even recognized as conquest while the other is derided incessantly.

Think the Incas or Mayans, e.g., were grateful to be slaughtered by the Spanish instead of the British? Are they less dead?

One of my college professors, born and educated in Spain, told me that there was a great debate within the Catholic Church - and Catholic Spain - as to whether the native people of the New World even had souls? (Essentially, it was a question of whether they were actually human.) I don't remember hearing anything about that in my history classes.

Ask Californians or Texans, e.g., of any race or color whether they would like to be part of Mexico and living in what Mexican California or Texas would have been.
44

W U Merchant,

Aberdeen 10/09/2008 10:26:00
This report is by "a panel of economists". Who trusts economists?
45

Ian Russell,

Nova Scotia 10/09/2008 10:29:15
You are correct that we should have all these weeks , however we are celebrating Nova Scotis, no other place in the World is Called new Scotland and many of our forefathers did in fact come from Scotland in particular after the Highland Clearances etc. We are a Multi Culture society and welcome people from all over the world irrespective of Colour, Creed or religion. S that you know we have places called Inverness, New Glasgow, New Edinburgh etc but here is a surprise we also have places called new France, Dublin, Cambridge, Oxford,. Weymouth etc. My point was simply that the people of Nova Scotia respect and Admire Scotland along with the rest of the UK and dont forget that the Queen of Canada is the very same Queen Elizabeth of the UK. I understand the great difficulties of Immigration and the pressures it puts on society, but surely we should embrace new Immigrants, we should make immigration a pleasureable experience for all, Scotland should be proud that people from all over the world want to come and live and work there, its reputation in the world is amazing for such a small country. I want to make it very clear I am not a member of the SNP, I work with all political parties, SNP, Labour, Tories, Liberals, NDP etc. Politics, is a way of life, whether you like it or not and not everyone is going to agree with who is in Government. On a very personal note, I am impressed by what I see in Scotland, when I return home, I see a difference in attitudes but most important I see Scots beeming with Pride. We can learn something from the USA, no not greed or going to war etc, I have never met and American who was not Fiercly PROD to be an American, We Scots have that in our soull, so lets stop feeling sorry for ourselves and stand tall and PROUD to be Scottish, lets work with our Neighbours south of the border so that everyone in the UK can have a better standard of living. I know you may not all agree with me, but "Thank You" for giving me the opportunity to expre
46

Highland Mighty©,

10/09/2008 10:30:05
3. Every airline and every hotel still has its cheapest seats and rooms available for the Homecoming.
47

morris,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 10:32:02
42 Strangely enough I have always found the Geordies and notably Birmingham/Midlands people to be very pleasant and respectful. If anything the opposite is my experience of Northern England!

I also found the West Country and Wales to be as welcoming as possible.

I once tried to board a bus at one of the Midlands bus stations and was far too early.The driver who was from Sheffield walked a mile round trip to show me where the nearest cafe was and we spent the rest of the remaining hour in there, for which I was most grateful.

The attitude is an individual one, as it is here, as far as I can see,but I cannot say that I have ever had anything less than a big welcome from these four regions/nation.Where the ones I have had a problem with came from I cannot say,but I know a Geordie, West Country and a Brummie accent, and they were definitely not that.I have yet to meet a Brummie who I did not like in fact!Their sense of humour is exceptional.
I am sure it is an individual attribute however, but my experiences would suggest otherwise.Perhaps this is why you asked?You have a similar experience?
I remember a Geordie engineer I encountered every so often, who commented that he always found Glasgow to be very aggressive, where my experience of Glasgow is they are either extremely friendly or extremely unfriendly and there's nothing in between and never any doubt which is which.
98%* of weegies are lovely people.(* not meant as a statistic )
Perhaps our own perceptions are our biggest problem?
I'm just convinced that the world has differences and we should welcome those,but individual intolerances we should never encourage.
48

morris,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 10:46:38
47

Quite

However my immediate thought was we elect governments also, and who in their right mind trusts a politician?

Of course many would say the same about lawyers,and there are even those who think that we should update the Bible.

In the Third Beatitude, Jesus said,

Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.
Most people think this should read
Blessed are the accountants,because they apparently inherited the earth.
49

Mcsnagpile,

10/09/2008 10:55:40
Why does the USA and Canada think it is multicultural. I will believe this when I see the a Native American as President or Prime Minister or even remotely in the running. There is a better chance of an Austrian becoming becoming a governor.
50

subrosa,

10/09/2008 11:04:45
# 9

Great idea scunnered. Email the Scottish parliament with it and see if they can help. I have a brother who has the same problem and he feels he's not welcome back in his homeland because of the lack of communication he gets too.
51

subrosa,

10/09/2008 11:08:46
# 21

I see you're in top class negativity mode today. Well done! Such an advertisement you are for Scotland aren't you?

When you're abroad you'll be one of the types who never corrects people when they assume you're English because you have a UK passport. Most Scots I know are proud of their country and, with no disrespect to the English, refuse to be called English because they speak it. I speak German also and that doesn't make me a German.
52

couchdiva,

10/09/2008 11:10:36
As an antipodean who has chosen to relocate and live permanently in Scotland, the attitude towards foreigners that I have encountered is astounding. I have been to countless interviews where my accent (even though I speak English) counts against me - and in fact, from one interview was told that I was not the right ‘cultural fit’ for a fairly bland and local organization.
I am often asked how long I plan to stay here, even if I have already explained that not only have I relocated here, but my husband has established himself in business here.
Getting set up in this country has taken just on 18 months, and during this time we have dutifully paid our way and taxes over and over again. We have been abused, ripped off, not paid for work done, stolen from and treated appallingly by organizations that should know better. We continue to contribute to the economy of Scotland, yet regularly made to feel like we are unwelcome in this country.

With an experience like ours, why would people want to come to Scotland?
53

Galaman,

Galashiels 10/09/2008 11:14:02
Correct, #25. LIT is what people will pay not in addition to council tax, but INSTEAD of it.
Like it or not, there will always be winners and losers no matter what system is in place. There is no "one size fits all" system in which there are no losers, and there is nothing fair about any system in which people are charged the same amount regardless of their wealth or income.
Furthermore, I wonder how many of the "thousands of unfilled vacancies" that supposedly exist are low-paid, take up only a few hours a week, or last for only a few weeks or months? Quite a lot, probably.
54

subrosa,

10/09/2008 11:19:00
# 37

You should have tried living in England in the 60s and 70s. There wasn't a day went past that someone said 'ak aye the noo', 'how is life on Ben Nevis', ' are you here to appreciate running water' - I could go on and on. It really became wearisome to the extent that I tried to get elocution lessons so as I could speak with an accent similar to my secretary's.

Fortunately the elocution tutor realised why I wished to change and told me to keep my 10/-, slow my speech down and start believing that my dialect would see me far further in this world than a void English one. Having had a wonderful working life in many countries, I suspect she was right.
55

Mcsnagpile,

10/09/2008 11:25:02
Indian Chief 'Two Eagles' was asked by a white government official, 'You have observed the white man for 90 years. You've seen his wars and his technological advances. You've seen his progress, and the damage he's done.'
The Chief nodded in agreement.
The official continued, 'Considering all these events, in your opinion, where did the white man go wrong?'

The Chief stared at the government official for over a minute and then calmly replied. 'When white man find land, Indians running it, no taxes, no debt, plenty buffalo, plenty beaver, clean water. Women did all the work, Medicine man free. Indian man spend all day hunting and fishing; all night having sex.'

Then the chief leaned back and smiled. 'Only white man dumb enough to think he could improve system like that.’
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Scotsman in Dublin,

10/09/2008 11:32:56
Its funny reading this article and others like it saying how hard it is for employers to find skilled workers in Scotland. Dublin is full of Scots who are working in high tech jobs because they lost their jobs in Scotland. I work beside Scots who work in Ireland flying back to Scotland at the weekend to their families because they cant find decent jobs in their field within Scotland.

I find it a bit rich for some of the posters to suggest this is something to do with the SNP goverment. The vast majority of people that I know here left 5-10 years ago when the Semiconductor industry collapsed in Scotland - and this had a lot more to do with London goverment and the high cost of exporting in a sterling economy than any Scottish goverment whether labour or SNP.
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Lianachan,

Highlands 10/09/2008 11:58:39
Historically, the Highlands have had very little trouble from England. Our main antagonists were the British - comprised of some English, some Scottish Lowland and even other Highland clans.
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Alfie Bett,

10/09/2008 12:10:45
#34 Shaken,did watch the programme on tidal power last night interesting to hear when Brewer asked the Professor of renewable energy about the possible power generation capabilities of the Pentland Firth and he replied about 8 gigawatts equivelant to 4 to 8 medium sized coal burning or nuclear power stations!and that was just with the existing technology at hand,but having the potential in the future to provide 250 gigawatts!
But hang on, before we get too excited,the Union dividend comes into play again as usual, grid transmission charges for developers from Orkney £60/kw,from Caithness £22/kw,and wait for it,from Cornwall they are credited £12/kw! and that in spite of a EU directive for fair charging on new renewable energy sources
Let us just hope that the Scots people have at last twigged to the fact the've been defrauded of billions in oil revenue tax,had a possible carbon capture power station research development at Peterhead lost through deliberate Westminster government procastination and now a dice loaded to encourage tidal power developers to go elsewhere......Union dividend my Rs.
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drunken proffet,

Tassy 10/09/2008 12:12:39
It was always the London establishment that got up everyone's nose, not the English as such. As far as the Scots finishing up in Northern Ireland, the Grahams were deported to Holland a few hundred years ago I think because of their attitude to cattle. If it had four legs was sitting in a field and looked lost, it was theirs. They came back after eighteen months and were shot off to Northern Ireland, from there they finished up in the US of A no doubt rustling buffolo. Mind you that was the black side of the clan, the rest of them were all heros, apart from maybe one or two. I must admit like any other expatriat Scots, I would love to go back to Scotland, however Alex Salmond is going to have to do something about the weather. Not fit for man, and the dogs complain as well.
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morris,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 12:54:00
62

I think you have a point there. There does seem to be a "LONDONCENTRIC" attitude recognised in many areas of the UK,and the presumption seems to be if its not in London then the sky will fall down.The London establishment definitely think they and they alone are the centre of the universe.

I have heard numerous warnings that both the skies around London and the English Channel are accidents waiting to happen,and it is nothing short of a miracle that we have not had a mid air collision around Heathrow apparently!
How building and expanding an already dangerous sky helps I have no idea.

If anything its putting everything in London that will cause the sky to fall down!We need rid of London in large doses,even if we stay in the UK.
I actually attended a UNISON meeting in London as rep for Scotland,only to learn that there was nothing which had changed.Why they could not pick up the phone and cancel the meeting is beyond explanation!
The theory was that an improved offer could have been on the table at the last minute.The fact that no offer had been made but a confirmation that it was stalemate had been given!
My thoughts would be call a meeting when there is some purpose in doing so!

Not in UNISON!
Meetings had to be held in London of course. When I suggested Birmingham was more central they looked at me as if I was crazy !Apparently its easier for people to get to London irrespective of where you are living !
Ive got news for them Thats B***ocks!
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Kate,

Zurich 10/09/2008 13:02:34
#9 Scunnered in Boulder CO, I'm with you on that one. I'd love to move back to Scotland, but it is nigh on impossible - I have no job history in the UK so my cv is not trusted, I have not specific qualifications despite 2 degrees in languages and marketing from UK universities, I speak 5 languages and have built up 4 different companies over the past 15 years, but I have yet to get anywhere with either a recruitment consultant or a personnel manager...
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Benjimin,

Glasgow 10/09/2008 13:10:52
Who writes the captions?

"Your welcome if you can... Shear sheep, teach ballet, fillet fish or drive a hovercraft"

'Your' welcome? Is this a joke? Am I missing something?

Can I have a job at the Scotsman please?
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Rabbies Wee Bruthir,

10/09/2008 13:40:01
62 drunken proffet,Tassy 10/09/2008 12:12:39

Aye God bless the Heroic Grahams, and in particular the Graham Bros from Torphins in Aberdeenshire, who in the 1850's started a tea blending and importing company, as a 'wee present' to their favoured clients and employees, they started blending whisky for distribution at Christmas etc;

Then in 1879 , realising they were 'on to a winner' they started marketing the finest blended Scothch Whisky in the World, bar none!!! :-), .......
....Graham's Black Bottle Whisky, a fine blend with a base of the Malts of Islay!!!

So raise yer glass to the Brothers Charles, David and Gordon Graham, who gave us this fine old cratur ;-)

So aye, yer right there drunken proffet,(and I earnestly hope yer drunk oan Graham's Black Bottle) there were many Heroic Graham's.

P.S. whits wrang wie oor weather, jings it matches the country, Scotland is the hale wurld in miniature, so it's nae surprise we get aw fower seasons in yin day ;-))
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Jofrad,

Cornwall UK 10/09/2008 13:42:48
55 couchdiva,
Tell 'em like it is and they won't believe you.
Come and live in Cornwall, its full of Antipodeans who feel "roight at haume". You can't get a job as a lifeguard without an Aussie accent.
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Anderson (lowlander),

Lehi, Utah 10/09/2008 14:12:02
If they put restrictions on migrant workers, you'll ot find quality people to help. I would like to relocate there but what oppertunities are there? Sheep sheering? How many people want that job? I have a degree in Fire Science, I'm a firefighter and paramedic. I can't seem to ever find opennings for that in Scotland. Believe me I've tried for the past five years. Maybe someone can point me i the right direction. Or maybe that postion is saved for locals only.
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Ernie,

Olivos, Buenos Aires, Argentina 10/09/2008 14:15:49
I am a Scottish descendant, and have wanted to work in Scotland for as long as I can remember, but I have no right to hold dual citizenship, becasue my grandfather emigrated to Argentina in 1905 and my father was born in Argentina. Furthermore, who would hie anyone from 14,000 kms away? If Scotland needs qualified workers, why not bring back the descendants of the emigrants?
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morris,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 14:17:59
64

I can only say I sympathise with your situation Kate.Im disappointed that you find multilingual Switzerland easier to progress in, and saddened also, because clearly you must be doing something right!

This is maybe an eye opener for us all,and we had better start taking these comments on board I think!

Tae see oorsels as ithers see us .Burns may have written this but he was way ahead of his fellow countrymen aparently.We still have not caught up!
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morris,

edinburgh 10/09/2008 14:26:00
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We would welcome you with open arms if you could play rugby or football Ernie!We dont need any tennis players at the moment though.

Seriously though,I can see why they would consider you to be an Argentinian national,and not grant dual nationality,but I see no reason to ever exclude you as a potential guest here and resident as long as you want to be
My definition of Scot is that you want to be one of us.
I cannot think of a better qualification than that!
Maybe we will change our attitudes Who knows.
I certainly would offer the hand of friendship to anyone who has the good sense to accept and return it.
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Guga II,

Rockall 10/09/2008 14:41:49
#3 & #4.

Further to Charlie's offer, if you make it over to the Western isles, I'll be more than happy to take you on a tour around the islands, at my expense.
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Arync,

10/09/2008 15:46:09
#48 You have just met an American born NOT fiercely PROUD!. Raised English/Scottish/Irish, fiercely PROUD to be raised European by her European Grandmother. Ashamed by the American culture/Government. It is a shame that Scotland is having such difficulties, it is the most beautiful of Countries (England being the close 2nd). Hopefully someday things will work out to where people will realise that jobs can stay in their own countries and not be "outsourced" (so to speak).
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Western Gael,

10/09/2008 16:58:40
"The Migration Advisory Committee (MAC) report recommends cutting the jobs available to skilled migrants from one million to 700,000." How bleeding daft. If Scotland is suffering from lack of skilled Scottish nationals to fill those vacancies, who's fault is it? The schools? Universities? Apprentice programs? Bloody-minded union rules? Or, higher wages and better living standards elsewhere. Dear Scotland, stop worshiping the problem and blaming it on scarcity of skilled immigrants -- why should they come here rather than the EU? Look to yourself to cure it, or be content with your station.
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camster,

E Kilbride 10/09/2008 18:12:34
I work in a company filled with hard working skilled engineers and microbiologists all from the local area. We have no trouble in hiring new staff. Stories like this just go to give the impression that we are a backward part of the UK which could not be further from the truth.

The main problem I see is that there are too few companies like the one I work for who are prepared to hire locals, train them, pay them suitably and let them develop. Too many of our best managers work in the public sector or leave the area. Populist plans such as the LIT will not help this.
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J. Stewart,

TEXAS, usa 10/09/2008 18:45:55
Why must the UK, and Scotland in particular make it so difficult for an American to work and live in Scotland?
My ancestors were forced from Scotland to America and I would love to return to Scotland.
And as for the weather in Scotland, I LOVE IT. Spend years and years enduring the long Texas summers and you'll appreciate the cool, wet climate of Scotland too!
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kentigern,

U.S.A. 10/09/2008 18:54:35
Goodness, remind not to post anything on a Scottish site again. To answer one question, yes I do believe the Scots kicked us out of Acadia. The regretfully were like many a good Irishman serving in Royal Navy or Army. To which I say thank you. I dread long winters with an abysmal amount of sunlight. The food is better and thanks to good French genes we are able to have very beautiful women.
To Geoff, what exactly is the textbook racist pony? Is it the part about loosing your cultural identity? Well, bury your head in the sand. Perhaps you will love losing the hard fought for Christian culture to the Hindus and the Muslims. By all means, let the tide continue to roll. I hope you enjoy Hydera-burgh or Instan-burgh. For some odd reason Scots like most Western cultures have bought into the lie that the world is overpopulated or it is too bad a place to raise children or any other excuse. These two groups think not. Scotland/England like most of continental Europe will be virtually unrecognizable within a generation's time. If you think liberties come from any other source than Christianity, you should move here to the states. You would fit right in with all the foolish folks that populate the Democratic Party, who with their collective guilt will not utter any word against Islam and the potentially dangerous veil it threatens to cover the whole earth. These fine people, who espouse such things as feminism and homosexual rights, are turning a blind eye to how both of these are dealt with under Islamic rule. Not to worry, you will be fine. Just make sure you pay your financial tribute and they will leave you alone.
To whoever in so many words said something to the affect about complaining. No real complaints here. Examine your history too and world history also. It is filled with examples of one culture with the superior means to conquer, subjugate or totally annihilate them. It doesn't make it right. Maybe I didn't look hard enough, but I didn't see any Picts when I
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kentigern,

U.S.A. 10/09/2008 20:09:43
78 continued...
I was there, although much like America I saw enough tattoos to last me a lifetime. Did the Scots or English wipe those guys out? Sure the indigenous peoples of American have been given a raw deal. By the way, the term native American doesn't really mean anything unless by that you mean somebody who was born in America and is native to it. I don't understand how that term can to be. How can one be a native of a country that didn't exist until centuries after they have moved there. I think I am allowed the clarification of native American as I am part Cherokee.
To the Scots as a whole, if you have stopped going to church, by all means go back. I don't know what the answer is as far as any particular denomination. From what I have seen and my pastor who studied at the Free Church's college, that denomination is slowly losing its inertia and congregations seem older and older.
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BorderLineScottish,

10/09/2008 21:22:07
My wife is Scottish and we moved north of the border because of tragic events and the need to be near her remaining family.

I tried and tried and tried to get work and after 3 years I had to concede defeat - and then I found a job. Unfortunately, it was owned by pompous southern English people and the Scottish staff didn't like the fact that they chose an English person to replace the previous employee.

In short, after being called an English streak of pi*h, surliness from customers who claimed I couldn't understand their requests and generally given the cold shoulder, I left.

Disheartened we moved back, just over the border - I now work with "my own kind" and we can dip into Scotland anytime we want.

Ridiculous that an imaginary line on a map makes such a difference.

Quite sad really!
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Alec in Chicago,

Chicago 10/09/2008 23:55:31
78, 79 kentigern

It's your damned "Christians" that have been: wreaking havoc on a large part of the world, destroying our economy, ignoring environmental problems, trashing our Constitution, shelving our own liberties, dumbing down the schools, forcing their religious views into our (specifically designated) secular government and our schools, and generally being the least likely to be taken for righteous, moral, or ethical people of all our citizens.

You "Christians" have hijacked our government, and the American government's actions in the Middle East contribute more to Islamic extremism than anything that you rail against.

"I like your Christ. I do not like your Christians; they are so unike your Christ." - Ghandi.

Take your "Christianity" the hell back to your churches and keep it there!

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kentigern,

U.S.A 11/09/2008 14:23:24
I will pray for you Alex, because that is what we Christians do i.e. turn the other cheek which by the way is a Christian principle that Gandhi and others hijacked. To say that Christians alone are the perpetrators of every evil under the sun including dumbing down of education and destroying the environment is simply a reflection of your lack of our country's history. Actually education was fine until or sort of fine until the 20th century when a whole host of well meaning non Christians decided to substitute a well-working phonics systems with the Look Say method and took history out of the classrooms in the middle school years and replaced it with meaningless gobbledygook called social studies. It was not the Christians that introduced ridiculous things like Home Economics into the classroom as an option for kids who couldn't cut it in meatier classes or even the whole ridiculous notion of electives. Ah, electives! By all means let’s encourage lazy people to avoid the hard things in life as early as possible. Let's build an education system that fails and then label every child with an education disability, throw more money into the rat hole and wait for it to get better. Don't blame the Christians. Their schools are still producing intelligent well rounded productive citizens. My wife home schools our children. They are learning the classics, rhetoric and will actually be able to organize their thoughts and communicate them to others. We learn the classics because they have much to teach us and unlike Mr. Henry Ford was found of saying, history is not bunk. My eleven year old was quickly able to see that Mr. Obama’s rally cry of change is extremely vague. I marvel how adults miss this and dive headlong into the tar pit of his platform and all that he espouses. The difference in where a child is educated can be astounding. I was struck by this when listening to an out breath Tim Tebow after the Gators thoroughly routed Miami. It was refreshing to hear his well
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kentigern,

11/09/2008 14:24:11
82 continued
ordered thoughts as opposed to the traditional, "you know what I'm sayin." As of matter of fact, I do not know what they are saying or what they are trying to communicate. That would make a great presidential or even gubernatorial address. I'll recommend that to Bobby Jindal the next time I see him. That will surely command respect and instill confidence in Louisiana before and after a hurricane. I often here the lament from many a person who has tepidly placed one foot in the stream of Christianity but keeps the other on the supposed terra firma of the secular, the calling for prayer in school and other such non sense. I pray that prayer will never get back into the schools again. Let the school system implode on it itself. Every summer when my children play baseball in our park system what I see is cause for great alarm. So much time is apparently spent on self-esteem and not discipline. The children are not living in reality. They act like the people on American Idol when good old Simon tells them they are awful. The responses are either that they are good, or to chide under any constructive criticism, but alas you are right. receiving correction or having wisdom imparted to you when are doing something wrong is again a Christian trait and not a worldly trait.
The comment about Christians ruining the environment is neither fair nor accurate. If you could take a survey or just look at the people who have had a hand in destroying the environment, chances it would be populated by Christian and non-Christian alike. Even the notion of caring and tending your environment is, yep you guessed it, Christian. That is the first thing that Adam was instructed to do. So we you can in your car and go to a work at job of your choosing and inevitably get in a dispute with a co-worker in the lunchroom and/or water cooler, just remember one thing and one thing only. There were Christian architects amidst a couple of Deists that made it possible to share your opinion
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kentigern,

11/09/2008 14:25:23
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on that level (or even in the public square) without fear of any reprisals.