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Published Date: 21 March 2007
A BAN on "men in skirts" is being considered by authorities in Poland, because of the number of drunken Scots that have been upsetting locals on stag night weekends.
Poland has become a major destination for UK tourists mainly attracted by the cheap beer.

But Scottish visitors have been gaining an unwelcome reputation for showing off the fact that they have nothing on under their kilts.

Authorities in maj
or towns and cities including Warsaw have already complained about drunken British tourists often coming for stag parties, but now they say the kilted Scots have added an extra dimension that they want to clamp down on.

In the city of Wroclaw, in the south-west of Poland, officials are exploring a kilt ban after being horrified by groups of drunk Scottish men who lifted their kilts to strangers to reveal their buttocks.

Local police admit they have been unable to control the groups of maurauding Scots, despite complaints from outraged locals and fed-up bar owners, who claim Scots are rowdy, break glasses and leave pub toilets in a shocking state.

Polish police admit a blanket ban on kilt-wearing would be impossible to enforce.

But they have promised to start cracking down on the partying Scots to make sure they keep their kilts down at all times - or face a spell in a Polish jail cell.

The local newspaper Dziennik that went on the streets to photograph naked Scots said: "It's easy to spot these so-called 'tourists' from a mile off.

"They wear kilts - the traditional Scottish outfit - and leave behind them in bars broken tables and chairs.

"Then they stop people, smile at them and lift up their kilts to show what's underneath. But what is worst is that they go around doing it unpunished and our police do nothing."

The paper demanded: "It is time to act."

Residents of other Polish cities also expressed their shock at the behaviour of many of the Scots tourists they have seen on their streets.

Agnieska Gaspar, 23, from Krakow, said: "You can't go round the corner without seeing a Scot showing off what he has under his kilt while one of his mates photographs him.

"I saw one lying in the gutter the other day with his kilt round his waist. He was drunk, and it was freezing cold - I am surprised he did not get frostbite."



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Long Black Veil,

USA 21/03/2007 01:16:54

So by dint of logic, #1, we Americans should be welcome on your turf even if groups of Yanks were to make a custom out of flashing your young women and peeing all over your streets and historical monuments. Because, after all, we came to your rescue in World War II.
Although I prefer kilts to lederhosen, I feel bound to correct your presumption that the Poles "gave in" to the Germans. I think you're confusing them with the French. Far greater resistance to the Germans was offered by the Poles in 1939 than by the French in 1940 and for this reason Poland lost 1/6 of its population only to be abandoned by the western allies to the Russians after the war.

3

Gnasher,

21/03/2007 01:20:27

It's funny that so many Scots men go abroad to drink beer, smash up licensed premises, have sex with prostitutes, and generally be obnoxious to the local citizenry. Have they no sense of national pride that they can't do this at home and help the local economy?

4

somerferg,

Oz 21/03/2007 01:50:20

#2
Yes you did 'rescue' us in WW1 and WW2 but lets be honest we have rescued your butt recently to our very great cost. So I think the debt has been repaid. The point made by #1 has some merit even if it is a little historically incorrect.

5

Gnasher,

21/03/2007 01:55:12

I hadn't noticed the outrageous comment by Dick about the Poles "giving in" to the Germans in WW2. That is shameful and disgraceful - a slur on a truly brave and gallant nation.

Dick, you are probably not one for foreign films, but you've just missed the chance to see Andrzej Wajda's trilogy of "Underground" films on Film Four telling the story of the Polish resistance to Nazi and Russian occupation.

6

Gnasher,

21/03/2007 01:56:56

Somerferg - do you really think the same way as Dick?

7

Steveg,

Milton Keynes, England. 21/03/2007 02:42:16

Listen folks! If we have to put up with dodgy Polish plumbers, most working tax free. Polish drivers who don't register their cars or pay UK road tax.(authorities turn a blind eye due to the paper work involved) Polish youths next to our community shops(as I have actually witnessed) at 8.30 a.m. in the morning drinking whisky, when women with push chairs are taking their children to school! And Polish citizens ripping our tax credit benefit off, by claiming for their children that still reside in Poland. Then I think a little reciprocal arrangement like putting up with a few Scottish lads on a night out is fair play! What do you think?

8

donald,

weegieland 21/03/2007 05:09:46

The Poles are right. These people are a disgrace to Scotland and action should be taken here against anyone disgracing our national dress. They are not the kind of people we need to have as ambassadors, any more than old firm louts are fit to reperesent Scotland or Ireland.

Time to stop acting like Brits abroad.

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Guga,

Rockall 21/03/2007 05:40:45

What a load of nonsense. Never mind criticising Poles and banning kilts; just arrest the drunken louts. Give them a few months hard labour, then ban them from re-entering the country.

I'd be willing to bet that the majority of these lager louts are all wearing kilts with Bumbee tartans too.

10

Chaplin,

Edinburgh 21/03/2007 06:04:42

This is not the first time I've heard complaints of this degrading behaviour on behalf of these Scots ambassadors.
The tartan army might pride itself on how well its members act but the reports from the cities they visit usually show a slightly different side. Peeing in the fountains, throwing up in the stair wells and generally rowdy scenes. All fuelled up by cheap drink which is consumed like its going out of fashion.

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Munted Mac,

New Zealand 21/03/2007 06:29:23

"But they have promised to start cracking down on the partying Scots to make sure they keep their kilts down at all times - or face a spell in a Polish jail cell"

Is 'cracking down' the same as bum fluff?

12

Brandon,

21/03/2007 08:52:42

#2
America didn't "Come to the rescue" in world war II. They stayed out of the fighting until it was inevitable that American interests were going to be affected by a global war (i.e. Pearl Harbor).
If WWII was a football game it would be like the Allies substituting in a fresh side of American players in during the second half. It made a big difference - but America didn't win the war single handed...
Also If you were to "make a custom out of flashing our young women and peeing all over our streets and historical monuments", it wouldn't matter. We scots do this to ourselves every weekend. Due to our Nihilistic Drinking culture.

#9
Your idea is probably the most sensible suggestion in my opinion. If not a bit harsh. A few days/weeks would make more sense

13

Desperate Dan,

21/03/2007 08:59:44

LOL They will soon find out that the police in other countries don't pander to pinko liberals...
Natural selection please let them go, pass out and die of hypothermia.
The British are not Europeans. Watch Europeans in a bar then watch the Brits in a bar. We are without grace or culture. Sad but true.

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Desperate Dan,

21/03/2007 09:03:14

Remember that one of the reasons the Americans did not want to come to the war because their military equipment was obsolete, and out classed.

15

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 21/03/2007 09:06:12

I'd ban them here in Scotland too. Tartan - in all its forms - represents a blight on our landscape.Walter Scott , son , you've got a lot to answer for. And, as for shorts and bare chests.....!!! On a slightly different note, I must confess I was surprised and horrified to find Scotland and Sunday attempting to throw still more drink down our throats at the weekend with their free-by-text miniature offer. We need a severe clampdown on whisky and all the other toxic liquids in deadly circulation. I'd make it £50 a bottle - at the very least. Whisky belongs to the medical cabinet where it should be kept under lock and key until someone in the house is ill - or dying.

16

Dougie - Edinburgh,

21/03/2007 09:09:59

13. Desperate Dan
Poles and several other Slavic races have even more of a drink problem than Scots

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Desperate Dan,

21/03/2007 09:16:51

East Europe has a serious morale and therefore drink problem. the fatality rate is horrific. However we forget that Europe has much colder winter temperatures that Scotland. When you get bladdered on your home turf you know the dangers... 's

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petrol head,

Edinburgh 21/03/2007 09:32:59

I've never been able to understand the logic of some men being obsessed with showing everyone that they are "a true Scotsman" at every concievable opportunity.

I have seen it done at weddings, formal dinners, on the bus, in the street, in a pub, out the window of a coach---in fact, everywhere. Personally, I couldn't care less but in many circumstances it is hardly appropriate behavioiur and many get offended---especially foreigners who are not familiar with this act of "bravado".

Of course, the if people get offended by this then the (usually drunken---I have rarely seen anyone do it sober) bloke in question thinks that it is a green light to continue and sometimes to progress into even more offensive behaviour.

As far as damaging bars is concerned, that is simply inexcusable and I strongly suspect that it is down to a tiny minority.

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Robbie,

NZ 21/03/2007 09:55:51

Sadly nearly every nation has them - they are not the ‘working class’ or the ‘lower-socio-economic-class’ or those that ‘fell through societies safety-nets’ they are the ‘brain-dead‘. An embarrassment to humanity and especially to the male sex (as most of them are males). Not only do they ‘think’ they are amusing - they actually do not know what true enjoyment is. Lying in a gutter - spurned by decent women - stinking, ugly and ruining their health. They awake and try to gain some ‘pleasure’ later in some pub surrounded by fellow ‘blokes’, recounting that night in XXX where the got ‘oot-a-ra gemme’ rejected by the fairer sex - despised by the locals - shunned by their fellow country men - perhaps arrested for ‘disorderly conduct’.
Regrettably it may be a more serious assault charge landing them in goal and even worse an innocent father, brother or son injured or dead or dead because of a moments drunken rage by a ‘brain-dead’ hooligan.
Changing them means changing a culture. Investing in our youngest and most susceptible - fertile brains willing to learn good but also bad.. Money spent on the very young is a wonderful investment which will pay rich dividends in the future for Scotland.
No longer then perhaps for us the shame of witnessing drunken inarticulate hooligans screaming pathetic slogans ‘we are the people’ ‘wha’s like us’ at bewildered citizens multi-lingual - living in prosperous of sovereign nations.
Observing this in days gone by was the only times I was glad they thought the Scots were just English. (Sorry) Education is maybe the answer but saying it Mr McConnell is easy (best education system in the world by ? yeah -right). The question is to all politicians why do we still have these oafs? Why do youths go out and for no gain, knife someone for ‘looking ‘ at them. Government departments have the recourses and can pull these recourses internationally but still just ‘sound-bites’. To busy in their we adversarial

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Sinnerman,

Another Planet 21/03/2007 10:23:55

Drunken yobs anywhere are an embarrassment. If kilt-wearing Scots behaved with respect to the local population, not just in Poland, they would be a credit to the nation.

Too many people demand rights and respect, but are not prepared to act responsibly or to earn respect.

And now even 'Socialists' think more of themselves than society.

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Maxie1,

21/03/2007 10:59:24

I dont think its unreasonable of Polish people to expect Scotsmen not to flash what they might or might not be wearing under their kilts. It simply shouldnt be done!

However, I suspect there is a little bit of self-righteous indignity involved in the criticism in the media, with many members of the public considering it to be somewhat bemusing if not amusing.

They "smile" and "lift their kilts"...

"I'm surprised he didnt get frost bite" etc.

The drunken vandalism is also something that shouldnt be occurring, whether its Scots in Poland, or English in the Costas.

Again, its not unreasonable for Poles to expect better from visitors to their country.

They would however be silly to ban the kilt. We have a large and growing Polish community in Scotland and banning national dress and national identity is not a road we should go down.

22

Douglas,

Bathgate 21/03/2007 11:21:33

#11 Munted Mac:Cheeky :o)

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terrymich,

u.s.a 21/03/2007 11:32:32

Maybe Kilt confiscation would be proper?

Is it the kilts causing the bad behavior ? also
i didn't think a kilt was a skirt.

many questions raised by this article .

in some areas of america public display of one's nether regions is a 4th degree criminal sexual conduct and will get you on the sex offender registry for 25 years !!!

i guess that even if they ban kilts, the bar toilets would be just as disguisting .

Maybe these guys are really norwegian's acting out some viking fantasy !!!!

This whole subject needs more review. Someone from Scotland , hurry to Poland for a fact finding mission !!!!

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livilion,

livingston 21/03/2007 11:53:49

While I would not want to condone behaviour likely to cause offence to our good friends in Poland, I have to say that when I'm in my kilt their women folk never seem to be content to only hear about what is under it.

Invariably they want to grab a handfull or get a peek for themselves.

Magic!

Perhaps it's just a cultural thing, I hear their dancing is very popular these days.

25

andrzes,

21/03/2007 11:56:18

maybe the Poles are underwhelmed with what they see under the kilt?

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livilion,

livingston 21/03/2007 12:06:58

23. Horrible Cankers, The Cyber Shebeen

Actually it's all your fault, I'm no Brad Pitt- more like the guy in the porridge ads, but I never fail to have women getting quite excited and agitated around me whenever I wear my kilt.

This in turn usually takes care of those 'gnarles and wrinkles'.

I look on it as a kind of free social service that kilty cauldbums provide for woman kind. ;-)

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scunnin,

Germany 21/03/2007 12:29:10

Maybe we should ban the poles from Edinburgh altogether as they seem to make a mess, not pay attention to rules in houses, dont pay road tax ... in a flat of my sisters there are poles who dump their rubbish in the stairwell ... maybe if the police paid attention also to that .. we might get somewhere .. by the way in Germany the Poles are well known for stealing cars .. theres an expression here .. Visit Poland as your car is probably already there ...

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Bert,

21/03/2007 12:41:01

#2 - Fair enough. And of course, by extension, the French would be able to do the same in America because, if it wasn't for them and their help, you lot would still be able to spell flavour and colour properly!

I went to Poland for my stag do. We didn't pee up any side streets and we didn't flash anyone. The only one of us who was sick was a guy who had something that wasn't cooked properly the previous night. Also found them to be a pretty welcoming people.

Oh, and any guys who are going there MUST go to Sofias!

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IWright,

Edinburgh 21/03/2007 12:49:21

If people are indecently exposing themselves, being drunk in public and vandalising then there's three charges at least. Throw the book at them, then the message will get through that their "fun" is obnoxious, anti-social behaviour. We could even try that in this country.

30

IWright,

Edinburgh 21/03/2007 12:51:04

And whatever some Poles get up to here, two wrongs don't make a right and is a pretty pathetic way of guiding your behaviour.

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Nordschotte,

Inverness-shire 21/03/2007 13:35:03

History repeating itself.
About three hundred years ago,Scottish merchants in Warsaw wrote home complaining about the amount of "young drunken Scots" in Warsaw.
I was in Wroclaw January 2007, getting dental work done. what should have been a couple of days visit became five days,I liked it so much I made it a holiday. The day I arrived: went to see the Panoramic Painting, a rock concert in the big square, the river, a kind of bar/club music food.
The week continued like that. best seat at the "Opera" £13.00. I go back shortly to get the work on my teeth finished (implants ).
I think it is a bit sad that Scotland is being portrayed as a country full of drunks, by these cheap flights binge drinkers. So much to see and do, why do the need to go to Poland and make a fool of themselfs?

Bonnie Prince Charlies Mother, was Polish.
The Polish Royal Family, had Scottish Bodyguards.
Scottish Pedalrs were quite common in Poland
The Polish Army( 30 years War) had soldiers of various ranks.
who were Scottish, mosly from the east coast.

Dublin put a stop to this kind of Drunken behaviour, Poland should do the same.

The only down side of the place was it is just about impossible to get a "Deep Fried Mars Bar" and "Buckfast is unknown out there" you can't have everything I suppose.

Nordschotte

32

Vaydan cowboy,

21/03/2007 13:52:15

Basicall I agree with the proposed action from the Polish Authorities.

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AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 13:58:34

Horrible Cankers,

Ye'll be glad tae ken the invasion of Normandy by twa kilted heidbangers fae Fife, is almost here!!! Ma neebur's gettin' his kilt let oot fur the occasion!!!

How are the Police in France when it comes tae the kilt bein' abused!! A remember the Tartan Army bein' given a civic reception in Bordeux in '98!!!

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Long Black Veil,

NYC/USA 21/03/2007 14:00:32

#12 Yeah, we did come to your rescue in WWII, which I think #14 has confused with WWI. There was this little thing called the "Lend Lease Act" which provided you Brits with ordnance and materiel, and for which we never asked to be paid back. But heck, what's a few bucks between allies, right? As for you rescuing us in what I presume must be Iraq or Afghanistan that you're referring to: Our losses have been tremendous compared to yours, and you're pulling out already--though I can't say I blame you--so I hardly think you can seriously claim to be coming to our rescue.
#30 Actually, it was not just the French but also many Scots, Germans, Poles Philippinos, and Irish as well as other groups who were responsible for America winning their wars against everyone but Ho Chi Minh and Aidid. We're a pretty mixed lot devoid of nationalist arrogance, but we tend to remember our friends, which is more than I can say for you Brits when you discuss the American role in WWII. Next time you dare to accuse us of entering the war late and out of our own interest, think about this: If you Brits had stopped Hitler at Munich in 1938, there probably wouldn't even have been an invasion of Poland in 1939. All the more reason to behave yourselves when there.
I apologize for the seriousness of these statements in a mostly humorous commentary, but it's just something that had to be said.

35

oder,

Scotland 21/03/2007 14:09:52

When you are a guest in some one else`s country it is only good manners not to give offence.

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Dr. Strange,

21/03/2007 14:11:21

I used to hear this song on my commute to work. I think it's appropriate.

words and music by Mike Cross

Well a Scotsman clad in kilt left a bar on evening fair
And one could tell by how we walked that he drunk more than his share
He fumbled round until he could no longer keep his feet
Then he stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
He stumbled off into the grass to sleep beside the street

About that time two young and lovely girls just happend by
And one says to the other with a twinkle in her eye
See yon sleeping Scotsman so strong and handsome built
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
I wonder if it's true what they don't wear beneath the kilt

They crept up on that sleeping Scotsman quiet as could be
Lifted up his kilt about an inch so they could see
And there behold, for them to see, beneath his Scottish skirt
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Was nothing more than God had graced him with upon his birth

They marveled for a moment, then one said we must be gone
Let's leave a present for our friend, before we move along
As a gift they left a blue silk ribbon, tied into a bow
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
Around the bonnie star, the Scots kilt did lift and show

Now the Scotsman woke to nature's call and stumbled towards a tree
Behind a bush, he lift his kilt and gawks at what he sees
And in a startled voice he says to what's before his eyes.
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won first prize
Ring ding diddle diddle I de oh ring di diddly I oh
O lad I don't know where you been but I see you won fi

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oder,

Scotland 21/03/2007 14:20:04

*36 you are correct the American`s played the major part in the ww2, Britain did well to keep the Germans from invading, Britain could not have landed in Normandy and fought all the way to Berlin
its own.

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In the Dark,

Irony 21/03/2007 14:30:19

I like the conextual adverts at the bottom of this page. I wonder if any of them vet what's under your kilt before you sign up.

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Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 21/03/2007 15:15:16

Well spotted , In the Dark (#40)

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AD,

chilly Livingston 21/03/2007 15:40:03

What's unfair is that these yobs spoil it for Joe McBloggs who wants to wear a kilt and not have to show his "goods" to the world. Because of them women feel that they have some kind of right to lift the kilt of any man and have a look at what he's got.

And for the record .... I don't think much of these women.

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Guga,

Rockall 21/03/2007 15:47:04

#36 You really should take some history lessons. The only reason America entered the Second World War was because the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbour; then Germany proclaimed war against America.

As for Lend Lease, the Americans were profiting from selling arms, equipment etc. to both sides till they entered the war (read up on the activities of, among others, Prescott Bush, Dubya's grandfather). The Lend Lease to the UK had to be paid back, and we have only just finished paying for it. We should have done what the Russians did and told you to go jump.

As for the Great War, the Americans did not have troops in action till May 1918, so they were only in that war for 6 months.

As to who won the Second World War, if you care to check your facts, it was the Russians.

John Wayne did not win every war from Thermopylae onwards. Unfortunately, a lot of Americans cannot seem to distinguish between fact and fiction, especially Hollywood fiction.

42

Dr. Strange,

21/03/2007 16:31:25

How did this turn to World War 2?

The fact that many Americans choose to remember the sacrifices that we made for Europe is not surprising. Remember that Roosevelt practically had to force an isolationist US to war. I'm surprised at the lack of education across the pond about the facts of WW2. We bled and died for you ingrates.

British Commonwealth Casualties
All branches-11,115,000
Civilian deaths-382,600

American Casualties in World War 2
Army-11,260,000
Navy-4,183,446
Air Force-3,400,00
Marines-669,000
Coast Guard-241,093
Merchant Marines before hostilities-9,521
Civilian Deaths-407,300

Russia was INVADED. For them it was fight or die. They certainly didn't fight Germany to save Europe. Who stormed the beaches of Normandy to save France? It certainly wasn't Russia. Who carpet bombed Germany? Who invaded Italy?

43

Dr. Strange,

21/03/2007 16:39:13

The term ingrate only applies to those who make light of American contributions.

44

AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 16:52:37

Dr Strange,

These figures are duff - no way did the US army lose over 11 million people!! Absolute hogwash!!!

The British and Commonwealth lost somewhere in the region of 1 million men and women and the US lost about 300,000 in all services!!! So who bore the brunt? btw it was the ALLIES that invaded Sicily, Italy and Normandy!!!

What books do you read?

45

Guga,

Rockall 21/03/2007 16:56:07

#45 Nobody makes light of the American contribution in the Second World War. However, I, and many others, object strongly to the implication that we were "saved" solely by the efforts of the Americans; and that we should be down on our bended knees thanking you for saving us.

The "sacrifices" the Americans made for Europe were made because Germany declared war on America, not because the Americans were being selfless and "sacrificing themselves for us.

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Desperate Dan,

21/03/2007 17:10:46

It appears we were saved by the Americans because they took so many cameras to war, so the volume of filmed historical evidence suggests the rest were also rans. Watching the 70's tv series "World at War" should help educate ALL.

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Dr. Strange,

21/03/2007 17:19:33

46 Sorry screwed up my numbers. That was number served. My face is red.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_War_II_casualties
You may see how I got confused.

48

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 21/03/2007 17:29:41

Dr. Strange @ #s 44 and 45.

Your grasp on reality, Dr. Strange, certainly IS strange. NAME (CITE) YOUR SOURCES or we will ignore your statistics and consider them to be the rantings of a deluded American who cannot even have the intelligence to consult REPUTABLE sources and books.

Do you get your "statistics" from the back of corn flake boxes or from action comic books?

Your "scholarship" is sad, sad, sad and untruthful to say the least. Leave the research and collating of facts and figures to those who have at least finished high school.

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Long Black Veil,

USA 21/03/2007 18:05:11

Guga #43 and 47:
You've got a problem, obviously, and there's no point in responding to someone who not only is so poorly educated but also mixes history with emotion. I'm working on an article now about African-American soldiers who were deployed on the front lines in France in April 1918. Yes, they were advance shock troops and were under French command, but we sent 250,000 men to cover their losses throughout the winter and spring of 1918. Nice of us, since it wasn't our war by any stretch of the imagination and didn't profit us, relative to the lives lost.
As far as WWII is concerned, I'm tired of the self-aggrandizing British view of this war --always crediting themselves for others' sacrifices. I wonder how many Brits know what they owe to Eastern European pilots, including Poles, who served in their beloved RAF? In this case, your belittling the American sacrifice and contribution makes you look ridiculous. The British ran from the Japs in the Pacific, behaved like morons in North Africa, and needed us to help them invade Iran (Persian Gulf Supply Service Command) and bomb Dresden. We were reluctant to enter WWI, sensibly, as it was nothing more than a wasteful, unnecessary war. We were reluctant to enter WWII, but we sent you what we could spare--at great cost to our own population, with 25% unemployment. As far as you're paying back what you owe us is concerned, I doubt that could ever be done in real terms and I'd like to see your sources on the repayment of the Lend Lease program. And for your information, the number of people you lost, is not necessarily indicative of the level of your contribution. It could just mean that perhaps your equipment was lousy, your tacticians were inefficient and your intelligence was poor. Dead soldiers are not necessarily better soldiers, as a Brit brutally pointed out to me in a recent discussion on Iraq.
For those new to this running comentary, my statements about the Brits and Americans in WWII steme

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Lech,

Manchester 21/03/2007 18:06:09

Whilst grateful for Britain saving Poland (as demonstrated by Churchill in Yalta and never setting foot in Poland). During the Battle of Britain Polish pilots shot down 1 in 7 German planes.Without this contribution there would have been no Britain for the americans to rescue. This effort was gratefully received, by Polish forces being banned from marching in the London 1945 victory parade. Scottish protestants in turn organised demonstrations against the influx of Catholic Poles. Fortunately lots of Polish troops married the local girls and lived happilly ever after.

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Isabel,

21/03/2007 19:03:20

There is nothing wrong with the kilt and banning it is rather an over-reaction. It is the drunken scumbags who wear it that give Scotland a bad name. All drunken, outrageous behaviour needs to be dealt with severely, regardless of one's mode of dress

52

AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 21:59:50

Horrible Cankers,

Thank you for the advice, but it wiz a bit pan loaf wiz it no>

53

AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 22:43:09

Dinny like Henrietta, a like Horrible!!!

Onywey, come what may, a'll be wearing ma kilt and a'll take the consequences when a sample the Calvados!!!!!

54

Tricia,

21/03/2007 23:05:57

They went through all that description of the incidents and then left us hanging. What exactly was being displayed under the kilts?

55

JG,

Fife 21/03/2007 23:16:57

#51 Long Black Veil
And I'm tired of Americans claiming they won everything from the Trojan war to single handedly beating the Germans, Italians and Japanese - thanks entirely to John Wayne and Audie Murphy, of course. THEY DIDN'T!!! The only wars they've won by themselves was the War of Independence and the American Civil War - oh and they successfully invaded Grenada. They finally joined WWII after Pearl Harbour - without that event would they have chipped to help at all? Probably not. I know there was a lot of help provided in the land lease deal - check your facts - WE ONLY FINISHED PAYING FOR THAT AT THE END OF LAST YEAR.

I am well aware of the contributions and sacrifices made by all of the countries involved - many of them lost more soldiers than the US did.

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ducky,

france 21/03/2007 23:19:24

spot on #43. Your historical knowledge is correct.
It may be an unfortunate fact of life , but not many of the younger generation are aware of the assistance given to UK in WW II by occupied countries - an education issue which should be adressed by the govt. of the day.
# 44 also agree with.
#51 should re:think their intelligence levels
Without digressing entirely, so many are still unaware / complacent about the resurgence of antisemitsim also.

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AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 23:22:34

When ye pit it like that, maybe the Calvados isnae ma best idea!!! Stick tae the Stella or some local brew!!! Any recommendations?

Tricia,

Big hairy bawbags!!!!

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ducky,

france 21/03/2007 23:23:08

oops - made a gaff - # 44 has got his knickers in a twist - I believe the UK and allies had a bit to do with the Normandy, Italy, North Africa etc

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ducky,

france 21/03/2007 23:25:45

#62 recommend the armagnac also. Stella is Belgian.

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AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 23:33:13

ducky,

I'm aware Stella is Belguim, it's ma favourite fawin' doon juice....well that and guinness, red wine and Highland Park!!!

Armagnac is a wee bit expensive - a 1958 in the Old Manor in Lundin Links sets ye back £25 a scoosh!!!!

A wiz gaun tae ask ye aboot post no 44!!! He got it seriously wrang!

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AJ,

Fife 21/03/2007 23:44:10

Jist answerin' Tricia's question Canky!!

Am no a cider drinker normally, but a'll gie it a go!!! I believe in drinking the local swally, as it seems tae compliment the surroondings!!!

Mind you, we hae tae get oot o' Paris first!!!

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AJ,

Fife 22/03/2007 00:17:06

Catherine Tate is good and as you say, her Nan is great!!!!!!!!!!!

G'nite HC :))

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Long Black Veil,

USA 22/03/2007 01:35:45

JG:
Who is claiming the USA won anything singlehandedly? I think you should learn learn to read. It seems that it's your people who make grandiose claims about liberating others, as per the statement of #1 above. Lech #52 has said it better than I ever could. Though I expect all those bitter Yank-bashers out there keep regurgitating their venom as long as this thread holds out. Yawn.

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JG,

Fife 22/03/2007 10:31:38

#71 Long Black Veil
I never actually saw the comment #1 as it was obviously deemed unsuitable and removed fairly quickly. I am well aware of the part played by the various countries during WWII (and WWI, for that matter) - Polish airman (and soldiers) contributed greatly during that time (and joined in a bloody sight quicker than the Americans). I don't know how often you read these comments boards, but it is irritating to say the least to read the number of American contributers who actually DO think they've won EVERY conflict known to man. I am not anti-American - I am just sick listening to (or reading) this complete tosh. Try broadening your own reading base - the fact is WE DID PAY FOR THAT LEAND-LEASE STUFF YOU MENTIONED. The last payment of £45m was made at the end of last year!!!


 

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