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Published Date:
07 January 2007
THEY WERE the "Devils in Skirts" or the "Ladies from Hell" and their battlefield exploits were legendary.
Their reputation was forged by feats of astonishing bravery amid the carnage of the First World War and just the sight of Scots soldiers dressed in traditional kilts was said to strike fear into the hearts of their German enemy.

But a leading Ger
man military historian has now dismissed as a "myth" the idea that Scottish soldiers terrified the Kaiser's army and claims there is no evidence to show that the Scots were feared more than any other British troops. The Scottish regiments attracted interest more for their wearing of the kilt than because of their prowess in battle, he says, adding that the Germans were far more scared of coming up against black troops from the French African colonies.

But the claims have provoked fury from representatives of the Scottish regiments, which traditionally regard their soldiers as charging fearlessly into battle to the bloodcurdling sound of the bagpipes. Major George Burns, of the Queen's Own Cameron Highlanders Association, said: "We all know that the sight of the kilt frightened the lives out of the Germans. It is a fact that the bravery and fighting ability of the Scottish regiments impressed all the sides in both world wars."

Almost 700,000 Scots served in the Great War, mostly on the Western Front, with 150,000 losing their lives. What is beyond doubt is their role in fighting ferocious rearguard actions that slowed the German advance across Europe in 1914.

The "Devils in Skirts" nickname was supposed to have been given to the soldiers of the 51st Highland Division during the Battle of Ancre in 1916.

They had to cross a battlefield littered with the fallen from a previous assault and enter a deep depression, called the Y ravine, to reach enemy positions. But they stormed the German troops with such determination that thousands of prisoners were taken. By the end of the conflict in 1918, the 51st Highlanders were known as the best fighting division in France despite horrific losses.

But German historians believe their reputation owed as much to Allied propaganda as it did to their feats of arms.

Dr Benjamin Ziemann, who has written or co-written six books on the Great War and the period, said nothing in the German war archives supports the suggestion that the Kaiser's soldiers feared the Scots more than other Allied troops.

He said: "I have never ever in years of studying a broad variety of sources from the German military come across a text which referred explicitly to the Scots as one particular group or gave special attention to their allegedly superior bravery.

"The popular view seems to me rather to be a Scottish projection and self-perception."

Ziemann, whose works include a "myth-busting" book entitled Everyday Life On The Front During The First World War, said: "These rumours and tales were created on both sides, partially to boost morale. The Germans had them too. Bavarian troops were often relied on to hold a line if it seemed the Allies might break through and so it came to be said that the Bavarians had this great reputation and were feared."

Ziemann, now a lecturer in history at Sheffield University, added that the documents showed that the Kaiser's soldiers did fear some Allied forces. Racial stereotyping led them to believe that black French troops would mistreat prisoners and the wounded.

In a war characterised by gruesome new weapons such as poison gas and flamethrowers, the Germans believed that fielding Africans in battle was a breach of "etiquette". In total, 475,000 French Empire troops fought, with 57,000 losing their lives.

Another leading German military historian backs Ziemann's claims. Professor Gerhard Hirschfeld, of the Netherlands Institute of Advanced Study, who has written on the Battle of the Somme, said: "There isn't any evidence that German soldiers were especially frightened of Scottish soldiers. They were fascinated by the kilt though, and my own grandfather used to tell me - and this comes up in other interviews too - that they used to send soldiers out into No Man's Land to check the bodies of fallen Scots because they were fascinated by the question of what was under the kilt."

But veterans insist the Germans did fear the Scots. Dr Tom Renouf, the 82-year-old secretary of the Highland Divisions Veterans Association and a former lieutenant said: "I think Scots have got a natural ability for fighting. It became part of our nature - and grew from the clan system into the Scottish Highland regiments. It was part of our inheritance and psyche."

Major Graham Pilcher, who received the Military Cross for service with the Black Watch during the Second World War and is the husband of best-selling romantic author Rosamunde Pilcher, added: "A chap like that - a German academic who is probably quite young - doesn't have the remotest idea. Of course one always blows up one's own organisation, but we were really very good."

Bravery in battle


Examples abound of Scots showing extraordinary bravery on the battlefield.

During the First World War, former Celtic footballer William Angus voluntarily left his trench in the face of enemy fire to rescue an officer lying unconscious just yards from the German trenches. A rope was tied around his waist so he could be dragged back to the British side if he was killed.

The successful rescue left Angus with 40 gunshot wounds and the loss of an eye, and was later described by commanders as "the bravest deed done in the history of the British Army".

In all, 117 Victoria Crosses, the highest military honour, have been awarded to soldiers serving in Scottish regiments through history, according to research by the Victoria Cross & George Cross Association.



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  • Last Updated: 09 January 2007 10:56 AM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: World War One , Kilts
 
1

Grim Reaper,

07/01/2007 04:36:54

Let's face it ... how scared would you be if a man rushed up to you wearing a wee pleated skirt with a big furry handbag hanging from it?

2

chuck,

Grangeville, ID 07/01/2007 06:25:01

Grim Reaper forgot to mention the claymore in the Scot's hand. I don't know about WW I, but I was stationed in Germany in the mid '70's when WW II still had a very thin covering of dirt. I learned quickly that one way to end an argument with a local was to mention casually: "You realize that I'm one of the Ladies from Hell." (Alex Moody. my great-grandfather, came from Edinburgh in 1875) That stopped the argument immediately, and if the man was of an age to have fought in WW II, his reaction was to back away at once or to come to attention with trembling. I observed other instances of this, such as a drunken piper from a group playing the main officers club walking down the street and clearing the street at first reaction. The stories in the Trier area abound, but they are much more bloody.

3

Spondoolicks,

07/01/2007 07:38:08

I read Robert Grave's 'Goodbye to all That' (time in the trenches autobiography) and there is a similar opinion to the thrust of this article.

The Scots were no different to the other nations in battle.

Not my opinion of course but worth mentioning

4

Pete39,

Tassy 07/01/2007 07:54:36

I have always believed in the idea of "Angels from Hell" so stuff the Germans, but only if we are allowed to.

5

Comerscroft,

07/01/2007 08:51:50

Oh God---back to Braveheart and Robert the Bruce et all.

Typical backwards looking Scotch mentality.

6

HBOS Customer,

07/01/2007 09:46:28

#5
Why does an article on historicl research merit your trite response? Surely the article suggests we change our view of history.

I'm assuming you'll be equall damning if papers discuss previous Ashes serirs, 1066 or 1966. :-)

7

Robert,

Kirriemuir 07/01/2007 09:49:33

Myth making is surely part of organisations and part of life. Each generation has to reinvent itself and it does partly through myth. What was it that Nelson was reputed to have said to his second-in-command as he (Nelson) lay dying on the Quarterdeck, was it something like, "Kiss me Hardy "? Then that famous signal was hoisted at the masthead of HMS Victory commanding that, 'England, this day, expects that everyman will do his duty' (or something of that ilk)! What duty? I feel certain the English are glad that they are not kilt-wearers otherwise history would be very confusing indeed so they judiciously turn an Nelsonian eye to the incident and hope it will pass unnoticed. Whether it is fact or fiction is irrelevant as who could possibly forget such an incident.

8

AlastairB,

Paris 07/01/2007 10:55:22

Its not really surprising that a German (or any other nationality) historian shouldn't find any reference to Scots in particular in their historical documents. All references to anything "British" are nearly always translated as "English" in all countries. This is often the case even in Canada, the US and Australia.

9

William King,

07/01/2007 11:04:52

I always though the "Devils in Skirts' were the ubiquitous Tartan Army, equipped with military issue timberland booits, who insist in exposing themselves at every turn........ who widnae be afraid of them

10

Ricardo,

07/01/2007 11:15:17

700 000 Jocks served... 150 000 lost their lives... around 450 000 wounded.

Jocks maybe tough and willing fighters... but to make this sort of sacrifice over a family fued indicates.. Jocks are not too bright.

The Germans would have more cause to laugh at them than fear them.

11

Media 1,

cape town 07/01/2007 11:36:31

I cant see men in Kilts being much of a fear factor to be honest.

12

eric,

lothian 07/01/2007 12:31:15

True Ireland & Scotland written into european history Is just extention of English state

13

Dougie, Edinburgh,

07/01/2007 12:33:47

Relative to the size of the population, Scotland lost about twice as many men as England, that's a historical fact.

One important reason for this is that outside of the large battles, the most aggressive regiments often took (and inflicted) vastly more casualties in day to day trench warfare than more passive regiments. Secondly, the most difficult jobs were generally given to the formations considered the most competent.

Similarly amongst the Germans, Bavarian casualties were far higher relative to the size of the population than Saxon casualties.

14

Dougie, Edinburgh,

07/01/2007 12:40:21

AlastairB, I'm sure there's some truth in that. In "Iron Coffins", the UBoot captain author describes his conversation with a kilt wearing English officer who speaks with a "Scottish brogue"

15

Rogerwilco,

07/01/2007 12:50:08

The Jocks have always been good cannon fodder, and they would fight with their own shadow. Dammed good good lot all round really,if you need to clear a position, just send in the Jocks.

16

Russell M,

Stirling 07/01/2007 12:53:53

Myth? Maybe, but if it inspires someone to stand by a fellow employee in a confrontation with the boss or to do the right thing when it needs to be done, what is the harm.

A society is built on metaphor. We destroy the positive ones at our peril.

17

eric,

lothian 07/01/2007 13:19:28

Have you noticed when the English want to save face when Pulling out of Empire ,They send a Scottish regiment in to take down the Flag ,Even thou it was a Scottish one who gained and held onto it for 100 yrs,Oh and theres a letter in London ,from an English General .who writes when the English failed to take canada.Send me Some Scots to get the Bloody job done properly!The rest is history .

18

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07/01/2007 13:19:31

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19

william wallace,

Stirling 07/01/2007 16:34:41

Its a big pity that none of those "BRAVE SCOTS" had the courage to fight to free there own country from English rule.Fighting ENGLANDS wars was all they were good for.

20

TREV,

Poland 07/01/2007 16:35:59

Jocky, you forgot to mention if it was a Scottish regiment it'd be disbanded when it finishes the job

21

Arthur,

07/01/2007 16:46:12

Seems ther is always a tendency for successive generations to rubbish the acheivements and heritage of their ancestors and while propaganda plays a part in all wars, this does not mean there is some truth in what is written, but since the victor writes the history there is also some exaggeration. For those who don't think that
a Scotsman approaching you wearing a "Skirt" in the heat of battle, you may well be right, but if that Scotsman is also carrying a Lee Enfield with a 14" bayonet pointed straight at you, and you are stuck down your trench with nowhere to go, dont tell me that you would not do instantly in your fatigues, what it takes cascara 24 hours to do.
Let us be proud of our ancestors acheivments and stop rubbishing our heritage, ther is much to commend their attitudes to life, freedom, loyalty, and pride that is missing from modern society, we should be carrying this forward to our future becuse it is what made this nation what is is, not what it appears to be becoming.

22

Arthur,

07/01/2007 16:51:15

21) I have little doubt that the real William Wallace would have regarded such a statement as high treason
and run you through on the spot.
22) point taken and will always be the case while our fighting forces are controlled from abroad.

23

Joanna,

Cambs 07/01/2007 19:10:31

"Join a Highland regiment, me boy. The kilt is an unrivalled garment for fornication and diarrhoea".

John Masters, (1914 - 1983)
British writer. Bugles and a Tiger

24

fatboyslim,

not brave now 07/01/2007 19:19:32

the scots are hardly brave now, bravery to the average thick wee ned is being dared by there pals to run over the railway tracks.
if only the country would be brave this coming may and get off there butts and vote for independence

25

Aoda,

Pennsylvania Wilds 07/01/2007 19:43:37

Pride ladies and gentlemen. I don't believe that German historian. The battles between clans, the Roman army and England are well known. On this side of the pond there are many of Scot heritage. Most came with a stop in Northern Ireland and became known as Scot-Irish.

The Scots proved their worth in Londonderry. When America was a colony and afterward they were the defenders of the frontier. During the French and Indian War they were on the forfront. During the Revolutionary War they were great and feared fighters on both sides. In WWI Sgt. York, a great here was of Scot-Irish. During WWII I can name Audy Murphy and General Patton.

During our Civil War about 80% of the Confederate army were Scot-Irish and so were some of their Generals.

Before anybody gets hyper, they didnot fight for slavery. They fought for the 10th (I think) amendment of our constitution. They didn't own slaves. The blue bars on the Confederate flag actually is the cross of St. Andrews. That alone will show one how respected the Scots are.

Scotland can and should be proud of their military. One should be proud of their history. Don't live it but remember it.

26

Arthur,

07/01/2007 20:36:52

26) You are confusing bravery with juvenile, macho,
misplaced stupidity, there is nothing brave about being the village idiot, but a village idiot can be a hero, you're
average yobbo is too ill educated and selfish to know how and when to be a hero.

27

is it me?,

Scotland 07/01/2007 20:53:02

#27 Aoda,
Well said.... We tend to wallow in our social inadequacy and our abundance of misfits.
These ' misfits' found their true calling when required, and when kitted out and pointed in the right direction.
I'm ready to be corrected, but I think it was Lord Wellington who said, (of his Scots soldiers,)
' I don't know what effect they'll have on the enemy, but they certainly terrify me!'

I'm tired of second rate academicians making their reputations at second rate Universities.

28

is it me?,

Scotland 07/01/2007 21:13:23

p.s. 'academicians', doesn't look right. Maybe it should be academics.

29

is it me?,

Scotland 07/01/2007 21:20:47

#27 Aoda,
Well said.... We tend to wallow in our social inadequacy and our abundance of misfits.
These ' misfits' found their true calling when required, and when kitted out and pointed in the right direction.
I'm ready to be corrected, but I think it was Lord Wellington who said, (of his Scots soldiers,)
' I don't know what effect they'll have on the enemy, but they certainly terrify me!'

I'm tired of second rate academicians making their reputations at second rate Universities.

30

is it me?,

Scotland 07/01/2007 21:26:00

post #31 is not my fault. Honest. There's a Kiltie presence here.

31

Kathy J,

Oklahoma USA 07/01/2007 21:32:33

I would like to know what personal accounts from those who fought in the trenches were studied for this report. Did he access letters, diaries, journals, etc... or just "official reports", known to limit comments of a personal nature. Did he interview any survivors?

32

Swilly Tisher,

Loch Maree 07/01/2007 21:43:43

Hell hath no fury like a woman's wrath...oops, sorry... like a bayonet-wielding kiltie's wrath.

33

Joanna,

Cambs 07/01/2007 21:46:03

Kathy J @ 33

The last Scottish veteran of WW1 died in 2005... please see this link:

http://news.scotsman.com/scotland.cfm?id=2279822005

There are only about 3 other British veterans still alive..... The war ended 89 years ago and nearly all of those who fought in it are now dead.

The following book draws on survivor testimony, letters and cards and is an absorbing and inspiring read for anyone interested in hearing how it was for the ordinary soldier:

Forgotten Voices of the Great War: A New History of WWI in the Words of the Men and Women Who Were There

by Max Arthur

34

william wallace,

STirling 07/01/2007 22:11:42

24 Arthur,My namesake unlike the soldiers you speak of,fought Scotlands wars on behalf of Scotland and the Scottish people,not Englands wars on behalf of selfish English interests.The Scots,and the Irish regiments were always used as cannon fodder to further Englands colonial ambitions

35

john rooney,

new york city 07/01/2007 22:17:58

my father was in the kings own scottish borderers in the frist world war even though he did not wear a kilt the germans feared the bag pipes and the sound and saved many many lives by just playing them

36

william wallace,

STirling 07/01/2007 22:31:18

27 AODA, We are not in the least bit proud of our so called Scots military history.History has proven that the idiotic Scots were used by England to colonise and enslave half of the world.Also there is no such place as Londonderry.The name used by 90% of the inhabitants of that city and county is DERRY, or before it was stollen by England, DOIRE COLMCILLE.So get real, your English empire is gone forever.

37

is it me?,

Scotland 08/01/2007 00:19:18

#38 Wilhelmina Wallis
...speak for yourself, ya mug !

....here we go again; together we stand!

38

Raethen,

Florida 08/01/2007 00:23:29

The German historian sounds to me like a loser who is making excuses. They lost the first, they lost the second and if they try a third they wlill lose that also.

39

Virgil,

Vancouver, BC 08/01/2007 00:50:50

An academic dissertation produced for publishing to meet the terms of tenure.
No more, no less. University life is maintained and sustained in controversy. The book is receiving unwarranted attention. It is not a very good account of WW1 and should at the best receive no more than a passing comment.

40

Sorcha MacFarlane,

Brigadoon 08/01/2007 00:51:59

"Devils in Skirts" or the "Ladies from Hell"... Hmm... Most men wouldn't admit to being afraid of an enemy soldier in what he thought was a skirt! It would also be alot easier for a man who wasn't in that war to make those claims, especially if he's defending his countries image or trying to further his career.

The sound of the pipes probably did scare them, the same way it encouraged the Scottish soldiers. Maybe thats one of the reason the English outlawed them.... and then used them to their advantage. Who wouldn't be afraid of a yelling, kilted Scotsman fired up on the sound of the pipes, running at you with a rifle's bayonet fixed in your direction? Especially if they had ever read anything about Scottish history and the bravery of Highlanders.

41

Mini Mitch,

08/01/2007 00:52:02

William Wallace. It was never the English Empire (despite it often being refered to as such). Scotland and Ireland both benifited more from any involvement in the Empire than we suffered. How do you think glasgow became the second most important city in the world? Scotland never fought english wars but instead fought because we are part of a union and one country. As for the English in Ireland, our tretment of the Irish is no better whith the Ulster plantation. Please go and get a balanced opinion before you give your ignorant, parochial views.

42

Royal*Is*My*Race,

08/01/2007 01:22:40

#42, Totally agree!
I think that "historian" is just trying to save face of his countrymen!

MMMMM yummy, men in kilts!
(I just had to say it!) hehe

43

Royster,

08/01/2007 06:50:30

#318. You are right but your reasoning is wrong. The Black Watch (and the Royal Navy) was in Hong Kong. Troops like the Black Watch and the Royal Marines are often used to garrison places as they are perceived by the govt to be hard. They can engage the enemy and hold them until reinforcements arrive.

44

Robbie,

NZ 08/01/2007 18:40:43

Let’s read what a pretty famous- sorry infamous German/Austrian, Adolf Hitler wrote in ‘Mein Kamf’
“I remember well my comrades' looks of astonishment when we faced the Tommies in person in Flanders. After the very first days of battle the conviction dawned on each and every one of them that these Scotsmen did not exactly jibe with the pictures they had seen fit to give us in the comic magazines and press dispatches.”
‘Mein Kamp Volume One - A Reckoning Chapter IV: Munich’
Although Hitler consistently used England rather then Britain but it was the Scottish soldiers that were singled out for mention.

45

Robbie,

NZ 08/01/2007 19:24:46

43. Mini Mitch
Scotland and Ireland both benefited more from any involvement in the Empire than we suffered.
Can you Mitch or anyone name any European country that lost a greater percentage of its population (especially Ireland) through forced emigration, economic voluntary emigration and death by starvation (again Ireland - during famine)

46

Enoch,

Texas, USA 08/01/2007 20:02:32

While it may be looking back to our heyday in history, it is also a sign of wisdom. After all, those who refuse to learn from history and the mistakes of others, are doomed to repeat their mistakes. I believe Scotland has a grander history yet to be made, as long as we remember and cherish our great past and learn from it. One lesson is surely not to be bullied into proving ourselves to others, we have nothing to prove, the very fact that the germans are trying to revise history is proof enough of the bravery shown in combat. England herself acknowledges the tremendous exploits of courage of the Scots, not only in this past century, but in every campaign they have fought using the highland regiments to fight the worst of actions.
We are a great people, with nothing to prove, and only a greater future to be made. May God save Scotland!

47

Joanna,

Cambs 08/01/2007 21:49:49

In Memoriam

Private D.Sutherland killed in action in the german trench, May 16th 1916 and the others who died.

So you were David's father,
And he was your only son,
And the new-cut peats are rotting
And the work is left undone,
Because of an old man weeping,
Just an old man in pain,
For David, his son David,
That will not come again.

Oh the letters he wrote you
And I can see them still,
Not a word of the fighting
But just the sheep on the hill
And how you should get the crops in
Ere the year got stormier,
And the boshces have his body,
And I was his officer.

You were only David's father,
But I had fifty sons
When we went up in the evening
Under the arch of guns,
And we came back at twilight -
O God! I heard them call
To me for help and pity
That could not help at all.

Oh, never will i forget you,
My men that trusted me,
More my sons than your fathers',
For they could only see
The little helpless babies
And the young men in their pride.
They could not see you dying,
And hold you while you died.

Happy and young and gallant,
They saw their first-born go,
But not the strong limbs broken
And the beautiful men brought low,
The piteous writhing bodies,
They screamed "Don't leave me sir,"
For they were only your fathers
But I was your officer.

Ewart Alan Mackintosh (OFFICER)

E. A. Mackintosh served as an officer in the Seaforth Highlanders from December 1914. On May 16th, 1916, he carried wounded Private David Sutherland through 100 yards of German trenches with the Germans in hot pursuit. However, before Mackintosh could bring him to friendly trenches, Private Sutherland died and his body had to be left behind. Mackintosh's bravery would win him the Military Cross, and in memory of Private David Sutherland he wrote In Memoriam. On November

48

Robbie,

NZ 08/01/2007 23:50:59

35 & 49. Joanna
Thanks for that.
What those young men/boys suffered in the trenches. So many sad stories. My uncle left school in Glasgow after his ‘highers’ went down to London was given a ‘white feather‘ joined up and sent to the ‘front’ - dead four days later. Lost six uncles in two wars of course never met any of them. So thankful that our generation had not to endure those horrors. In New Zealand more and more young people than ever turn out for our ‘dawn parades’ to remember those who fell especially the ANZACs at Gallipoli. Definitely not glorifying war but in sadness for those who had to go.


 

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