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Knife crime cut by fifth thanks to youth crackdown … Danish style



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Published Date: 23 July 2008
YOUTH crime, including carrying knives, has fallen dramatically since the introduction of an early-intervention scheme developed in Denmark, according to a report published today.
An evaluation of the pilot scheme in East Renfrewshire found that carrying offensive weapons and vandalism had fallen by 21 per cent and 15 per cent respectively after the initiative began in 2006.

The school, social work, police and community (SSPC) project brings together every agency involved in a young person's welfare – including teachers, police, health and social workers, and housing officers – to discuss their offending and find ways to tackle the causes to prevent them slipping into a life of crime.

Young offenders referred to the scheme, which involved creating three designated "campus cops", included teenagers caught carrying knives, vandalising property, fighting and taking drugs in school.

The "engine room" of the scheme is a referral group, which takes on young offenders who would otherwise have to wait weeks before being dealt with by the children's panel or courts.

The referral group draws up a plan aimed at stopping the offending, which may include police visiting the youth's parents, providing drug and alcohol counselling, or activities such as football or a Duke of Edinburgh award.

The evaluation report says the scheme, which was funded by a £250,000 grant from the Scottish Government, has been effective in cutting youth offending.

People caught with offensive weapons, including knives, fell by 21 per cent from 122 in 2005 to 96 in 2007. Vandalism was down from 1,846 incidents in 2005 to 1,563 in 2007, while there was also a reduction in the number of persistent offenders. Meanwhile, referrals to the children's reporter dropped by 31 per cent, from 212 to 145.

The researchers recommend that the model – which has been shown to cut youth crime in Denmark, where it has been used extensively – is a "useful and interesting model for the government to consider". But they warn that other areas of Scotland, faced with more serious problems of crime, drugs and deprivation, will find it difficult to implement.

"It would seem from statistics on re-referrals, from anecdotal evidence, and from reduction in referrals to the reporter, that there has been a reduction in antisocial behaviour and youth offending," says the report, by the research company Blake Stevenson.

Kenny MacAskill, the justice secretary, is urging other councils to "learn the lessons" of the East Renfrewshire pilot.

He said: "It's great that this evaluation gives us clear evidence that early and effective action by different professionals working together can have a massive impact on the lives of young people and communities. I hope other councils can learn from this approach and help make sure it can benefit as many young people as possible."

However, one expert involved in setting up the scheme said extra government funding would probably be needed to roll it out across the country.

Wendy Harrington, of the Association of Directors of Social Work, said: "What we need are answers for youth crime now, and to prevent problems in the future. If that is not resourced adequately, it won't be achievable.

"Communities, and young people, deserve that to be achieved."

Case study: Kevin went from gang violence to team leadership

KEVIN started going off the rails when he was in primary school when he continually fought with fellow pupils.

High school was, he says, "brilliant" – different teachers, a clean slate, and a chance to get into trouble all over again.

He started hanging about with older boys, standing on street corners drinking cheap wine. The police gave him a slap on the wrist a couple of times, but the school had no idea what he was up to.

Kevin began smoking cannabis and stealing to fund his new addiction. He lived with his mother and two sisters – but they too were largely unaware of what was going on.

Drugs, alcohol, stealing and gang violence quickly became Kevin's daily routine – and no-one was doing anything to steer him away from trouble.

Eventually, a police officer referred him to the SSPC project. Teachers, police, social work, housing and youth workers were able to understand the trouble Kevin was getting into, and the home problems contributing to his behaviour. He was given access to alcohol services, counselling and outward-bound activities – where he discovered a flair for team leadership. His mother was given extra support to bring up the family.

Kevin, now 17, is currently training to become a mentor for other young offenders.

Analysis: National use of early intervention must be based on local links

ALL the signs are that the East Renfrewshire Council model of early intervention to prevent offending by young people is working well.

An obvious question might be, if this approach works, why not roll it out across the rest of Scotland?

There are a number of reasons why that should not be done, or at least not until certain conditions are in place.

One of the key factors which makes the East Renfrewshire model work is it is locally managed.

The professionals involved know and understand their communities, and know personally the young people and families involved in offending.

Simply rolling out the model on a council-wide basis would not work in large cities such as Glasgow or Dundee – unless there were a number of local Young People's Referral Groups to address the very local circumstances.

In East Renfrewshire there is evidence that professional staff in health, social work, education, youth work, the Children's Reporter service and the police have made positive shifts in their organisational culture, their ways of working, and their attitude and outlook towards young people.

This has not happened overnight. It has taken a long time, and commitment from the most senior levels to make it happen.

The result is that staff in East Renfrewshire are a fair way along the road to taking personal responsibility for young people in their area.

In East Renfrewshire, staff on the Young People's Referral Group work well together.

They share details, take decisions quickly and act on them immediately. It sounds easy, but anyone who has ever worked in the public sector knows how difficult this is to achieve.

To bring about this major shift throughout Scotland will require strong leadership from the top – in the Scottish Government but more so in local authorities and police authorities. It also needs additional resources.

The full article contains 1077 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 22 July 2008 11:44 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Knife culture
 
1

Free by '93,

23/07/2008 00:04:23
"Recorder crime" down thankyou very much.

If a smeghead carries a knife in his pocket and noone is there to catch him, has a crime really takenplace?

And if a tree falls in the forest...

Can the SNP ot move past medieval philosophical BS and actually understand that crimes are still crimes if they are not recorded.
2

GM,

23/07/2008 01:07:08
@1

so are you for or against a fall in recorded crime figures?

"People caught with offensive weapons, including knives, fell by 21 per cent from 122 in 2005 to 96 in 2007. Vandalism was down from 1,846 incidents in 2005 to 1,563 in 2007, while there was also a reduction in the number of persistent offenders. Meanwhile, referrals to the children's reporter dropped by 31 per cent, from 212 to 145."


I'd say thats pretty good stuff.

Perhaps you could outline your own views on cutting crime and possibly write to your local MP or MSP to put any initiatives you come up with into action?
3

Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 23/07/2008 02:41:20
How's about this for a deterrent, you get three chances when carrying a knife:

1) Caught once, use said implement to remove a Bo!!o#k
2) Caught twice, SNIP, there you go no more kids for your ned scum family to perpetuate!
3) Caught for a third time, now you can't get it going northwards cos you don't have a compass to go north!

Get my drift?

;-)
4

Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 23/07/2008 03:05:36
Maybe but how many young males would carry a knife knowing if they got caught their whole reason for carrying one in the first place (being a big man) would be removed from them altogether!
5

Tweedmouth,

Coldstream 23/07/2008 07:57:43
These lads have no boundaries; nobody has EVER disciplined them in any way, at home or at school. Corporal punishment DID work when I was at school - anyone caught battering another kid at primary school got 3 strokes of the cane across the hand. Some lads are very big by the time they are 11 and I saw some pretty savage fights in my school. At Secondary school - a good grammar mind you- I witnessed fist-fights that were not far from Ali standard. If they were caught they got 6 strokes on each hand and were in detention every night for a week. It made them think twice.

Liberals will say this was 'bad' - but it brought home reality to youngsters and they suffered no lasting damage. The modern alternative is no corporal punishment - ledaing to hoodies, drugs and stabbings through the heart. If youngsters grow up in a place where there are 'no consequences' how do they ever know where the boundaries are? Ban hoodies; ban knives and knife sales, bring back corporal pubishment. Alternatively - carry on regardless and keep burying kids.
6

ExpatNI,

23/07/2008 09:14:08
#7

You are obviously one of the Liberals mentioned by #6!
A good argument put forward by 6 and you come up with a ridiculous, stupid comment like that! You numpty.

I agree with Tweedmouth. If kids were involved in fighting in both my primary and secondary schools in the 70's there was the belt to be faced. No long term harm done, and all the friends I had at school went on to go into descent jobs and, up until now, all of the kids I know of haven't ended up in trouble since leaving school.

Of course you, bring them on, will have a better idea of how to treat trouble-makers at school will you? And are you just incapable of telling us that you have to come up with stupid comments?!
7

JimC,

Kilmarnock 23/07/2008 09:42:39
Have to agree with the comments above at #6. It was the tawse in our school, we called our neighbors Mr or Mrs. never by their first name and we never were cheeky to them either. How times have changed.
8

MikeF,

Helsinki via Embra 23/07/2008 09:44:43
Why don't we point the finger at the parents, who were getting corporally battered by the state in the 70's? All the punishment that didn't do them any harm is having a lasting effect on their kids.
This initiative is apparently having some effect, but only a single data point has been reported here. Is there any long-term change? Why is data used from 2005 for a comparison but not 2006, or 2004 or before? There's not enough info here to make a useful, interpretation.
Scotsman editors, please give more useful statistics.
9

Vandala,

23/07/2008 10:19:33
Charming to see the Scotsman Forum Octogenerian Society (SFOC) out in force again this morning with some candid advice on how to deal with the "youth".

"Cut out their tongues...whip them...use knife to remove testicles..."

With upstanding citizens like that, it wouldn't be the kids I'd be worried about.

10

bill-alba,

Fife 23/07/2008 10:33:17
#11 couldnt put it any better so agree with everything you say..

SNP proving again that they have the right policies that work..
11

Shaken,

23/07/2008 10:48:15
Paul in OZ

Did someone cut off your balls once upon a time?

I like your sense of perspective here. What about actually using a knife or murder, rape etc?

I like it though genital mutilation for carrying a knife..who put you in charge of the Gestapo mate?
12

Why can't I use my usual name?,

23/07/2008 11:00:16
#13. Great, isn't it? The SNP only have 3/20 places on ER Council yet it's all down to them, eh?
13

Bemused and above it all,

23/07/2008 11:39:37
#14
perhaps because funding for the project came from the scottish government?
Anyway the big issue is why pilot only in East Ren? Not exactly a pit of urban deprivation, why not try it in Pollok,Govan,Possil or Ruchazie all of which have 30years+ of truly awful gang related violence and death rates for young people which compare with warzones
14

Alan B,

23/07/2008 12:18:18
#14 The article says it is a pilot. ie the scottish government are piloting this project with this council and are funding it.
15

Marcus Fenix,

The Valley 23/07/2008 12:19:24
When I approach a young team out on the streets I say a little prayer for them:

Even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I fear no evil, for I am the baddest mo fo in the valley.

Yeah baby...
16

nick prince,

warrington 23/07/2008 12:30:32
My old headmaster, Mr O'Crikey, used to force any boy found fighting to eat the complete works of Shakespeare, most of them choked to death on Troilus and Cressida.
17

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 23/07/2008 12:46:23
The drugged and drunken parents also have a lot to answer for. They should be included in the intervention.

Since it is common knowledge in psychiatric circles that knives are phallic symbols, are these young punks so "deficient" in the groinal area that they have to carry large, long knives? Just a thought.
18

peter e,

petere 23/07/2008 13:07:08
What is it like in "logans run" town? While your are at it. lets cut off the fists of "youths" if they dare strike an innocent person. Wonderful gumint ye got there.
19

Golden,

Edinburgh 23/07/2008 13:09:38
With regards to #10, interesting as your point is, you will probably find that most of the parents whose children are causing problems in the cities were not children in the 1970's, more like late 80's early 90's. Check out a council estate and you will probably find a lot of parents whose kids are teeneagers are only in their early 30's. I dont think the schools were using the cane/belt at that time.
20

In the governement we trust!,

23/07/2008 13:35:35
How to punish a young culture who already feel punished enough due to the unfair and ever dividing social cultures that we experience every day???

I think there are so many aspects to this tragic road that young kids have chosen today and we can all say what we think should and should not be done to them but the only way we are going to change anything is by talking directly to these kids. Instead of telling them to get lost we should be encouraging them to work but unfortunately no one in todays society will give them a chance. So they cannot develop all they can do is feel under attack and join gangs to feel a vague sense of involvement and protection. I bet if some of these kids were given a chance they would welcome the chance to make something of themselves.

To be honest I applaud anyone who makes the slighest change to these kids lifes and changes their attitudes for the better. More funding and support from the government (and society) should be given to social workers who certainly are not in it for the money.

I am only 25 but I think theres a very big mountain to climb for all of us to help our future children from all social classes.
21

antifa,

23/07/2008 13:41:20
6 - your argument seems to be that there was a lot of savage violence in your day, but that offenders were beaten and somehow this "worked". But clearly it didn't "work", hence all the violence. Your argument is completely illogical.

Anyway, good stuff from the SNP.
22

Paul in Oz,

Helensburgh 23/07/2008 13:47:32
off with their balls I say, anyhoo time for bed it is late here in Oz and i don't have time to suffer any more bleeding heart liberal abuse, s'pose i will just have to wait to the morning to read the words of wisdom.

REMEBER no amount of abusive parents, sexual abuse from aunties / uncles / priests / babysitters excuses carrying a knife NO AMOUNT


23

Jack fae Glasgow,

Glasgow 23/07/2008 13:47:32
Excuse me......what has a housing officer got to do with anything other than collecting rent, making repairs and allocating empty houses? And, in nice Tory Eat Renfrewshire, what business has a housing official that deals with public sector tenants got sitting in on anything to do with a wean from a privately owned property? Who died and made a housing clerk into a kiddy on pretendy social worker?
24

Puling Prince Roman,

23/07/2008 13:55:32
Sounds great... er, why does it cost £250,000 to get a bunch of public sector workers to do the jobs they're already being paid to do?
25

In the governement we trust!,

23/07/2008 13:58:35
So these people from poor areas who spend the majority of their lifes in local youth centres desperately trying to raise money to fund projects to entertain children in poor ares and give them encouragement should not receive funding, well excuse me for using the word social worker.

I sincerely hope you can see my point.

Paul in OZ violence does not solve violence if you went around cutting their balls off you would create some very angry young men who would probably end up doing far worse to some meneber of the public. But who knows lets give it a go and if it works we will make you a world leader if not we get to cut yours off, deal?
26

In the governement we trust!,

23/07/2008 14:08:41
Lets go around cutting childrens genitals off hmmmm might be the solution to other problems as well like global food crises and over population.

Dam Paul sorry for doubting you mate. ;)

Lets start sharpening those blades or better still we can use the very knifes they were carrying. Paul if it works mate Ill buy you a nice cold beer.



27

Thistledhu,

23/07/2008 14:29:07
no debate over the bye Election why is that then?
28

Bemused and above it all,

23/07/2008 14:54:41
#19
Only in psychoanalytic thinking, then again base an entire theory on the basis of your findings from a group of middle class viennese women whilst taking copius amounts of cocaine and its amazing what you achieve!
29

allan morton,

glasgow 23/07/2008 15:36:15
well of course referrals to the Chidrens Panel will have fallen. They've been referred to the local group instead.
As for the "outward Bound " aspect to this intervention
who funds this ?
Previously the charity "Fairbridge" ran these courses but now they charge hundreds of pounds for them. Who pays ?
30

allan morton,

glasgow 23/07/2008 15:38:25
Teachers are not paid to do this job. They're paid to teach. Parts of the strategy are carried out by charities NOT public sector workers.
31

Bemused and above it all,

23/07/2008 16:31:32
#16
And my point is that it is being piloted in an area where the culture is not ingrained into its third generation and most of the 'youths' involved either grow out of it unless they are the few who are in the deprived areas in which case they are the statistics.
This pilot is the same as having the genuis idea of treating burns without putting the fire out or preventing fire in the first place
32

In the governement we trust!,

23/07/2008 16:32:16
"Who funds this", thats a very good question Allan.

Correct me if I am wrong but do the majority of the kids who get involved in knife crime come from very poor areas of the country? And we are charging them to become part of a community function i.e. a boxing club or carpentary courses etc.

If they have no money then how are they going to change their lifes without the real support of the government and the public. They are stuck in a rut of poverty with nothing and we wonder why they turn to crime and violence.

We are far quicker to tell people what they should be doing and then turn our backs and walk off in the other direction. Government spending is a joke they tear up roads which are perfectly fine just so the surplus cash given to this sector can be used up and this also applies to many other areas of governement spending especially MPS administration and travel budgets. This was especially demonstrated by some of our EU representatives and the extremely kind pay rises they gave to their assistants some of which were family memebers.

We complain when these kids start stabbing each other but the rest of the time they are ignored and given nothing but dirty looks.

Allan I completely appreciate your thoughts and I look forward to your response but I beleive if we dont support these kids then nothing will change and we will just have to cut their genitals off instead.
33

oddoneout,

23/07/2008 16:43:49
#7 great idea, it would cut the rate of re-offending down to zero and only true idiots would actually park where they are not supposed to, which really would be a blessing. Your insight and forsight will now be legendary
34

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 23/07/2008 17:10:51
"The referral group draws up a plan aimed at stopping the offending, which may include police visiting the youth's parents, providing drug and alcohol counselling, or activities such as football or a Duke of Edinburgh award."

These things should be routine anyway? If the referral group idea works though it's a good thing and should be encouraged. Some young thugs will not respond to this but it's like the majority will as they will feel more involved in a constructive way rather than wield knives in a culture of despair. For the hard core, better to employ sterner measures, but involving hard work and reparation. The more you reward bad behaviour by offering Playstations and Sky TV in prison, the more you get it. Simple behavioural psychology, no PhD required. This will also apply to any lax parenting.
35

Virgil,

West Vancouver 23/07/2008 20:10:33
#6 sends a message which to me is a reminder of somewhat happier days and one which I certainly endorse. In the mid-thirties I recall a Sunday School Picnic to East Kilbride, farmland in those days, and being on the winning team of Five-a-Side Football competition. Our prize was a Penknife. That's right, in those days boys carried them for whittling, peeling apples, trimming nails but never, never as a weapon. It was unheard of then, we settled our differences in manly fashion and stayed friends. I am not pining for the good old days but I certainly miss the good from the old days. It is a commentary on past grace which I wish for every child. Alas!
36

Media 1,

cape town 23/07/2008 20:28:20
How can it be that a great nation like Scotland with so many years of first world existence under her belt must suffer the effects of crime at the hands of scum like the one in the photograph.
Look at that photograph, we have all seen them, they exist. But how did this primitive and sub human species arrive and where did they come from?
Has the dole turned parts of Scotland into a lazy, good for nothing scum ridden sh!t hole with no hope?
I feel sick to my stomach when I see THAT type of person (main picture) in the street on my visits to Scotland. They are a reminder of the mess that still needs to be cleaned up.
37

danbob,

23/07/2008 21:02:53
Good god Media 1#. Take a walk through parts of Joburg on any night of the week before preaching about scum. It's like the end of the world.
38

Media 1,

cape town 23/07/2008 21:16:11
danbob

Did I NOT say! How did a FIRST WORLD nation get to this state?
Did I or DID I NOT? Say 1st world?
39

danbob,

23/07/2008 21:20:35
So what world is SA in then?
40

Media 1,

cape town 23/07/2008 21:25:18
It is 3rd world!
41

peter e,

usa 23/07/2008 23:59:44
What happened to the brave and fearsome Scots of the old days. Now it sounds as if you need the G'mint to protect you from a few guys with knives. Like said in #20, next you will castrate anybody that hits you with his fist. Then, can't forget the fearsome slap of a woman. I thought Scots were tough. You have burst my bubble.
42

Pomodora,

Gravesend 24/07/2008 00:04:45
Virgil #37..nice to have you back again, as always you provide a class act to this comment column. You have reminded us that we once did have a placid society and we can have again. I remember when my father and my brothers all carried a pocket knife in their "waistcoat" pocket as part of a gentleman's attire. I agree that #6 comment has merit.
43

seillean a mhirdenibha,

Williamsburg-USA 24/07/2008 00:41:38
At 62 years of age, I've carried a pocket knife since I was 8 or 10 years old. Never even thought of using it on someone else. It's used to open packages and slice whatever food needs slicing, etc. Of course, many things now come "ready to use" and don't need slicing and dicing. The packaging is getting much tougher, however. I may have to give up the knife for a hammer and chisel to open the terribly overpacked pieces of hardware and electronic equipment that I occasionally need to purchase.
44

Astarte,

Giffnock 24/07/2008 06:45:58
#44 to reiterate your words, it's nice to have Virgil and his conributions back again. May he continue to provide wisdom to the discussions.
45

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 24/07/2008 08:50:05
#6 When did punishment by so many strokes of a cane was introduced in to Scotland?
Just inquisitive, as it's a new one on me!
46

donald,

glasgow 24/07/2008 09:01:17
Maggie has promised to leave Giffnock and stop knife crime in the East End of Glasgow. Battywumman returns.
47

donald,

glasgow 24/07/2008 09:04:55
Shortbread cut to Danish slices.
48

In the governement we trust!,

24/07/2008 09:35:02
Its fantastic to see everyone reminiscing about the old days but these are comparisions not solutions.

Do you have any solutions???? Sensible ones??
49

peter e,

usa 24/07/2008 12:34:10
I guess Scot's wear panties under their Kilts now, eh?
50

In the governement we trust!,

24/07/2008 14:54:35
Could not tell you Paul as I am not Scottish, I think if you want to test how hard and fearless the Scottish are then get the US to come up with a Rugby team (thats without helmets) only the ones under the protective gear and ask them for a match lol.

Whilst you are at it do a tour of the UK to see how you fair matey.

No seriously its not about how hard a nation is these are kids mate wielding knifes and using them on each other thats the big picture. I do not think this has got anything to do with historical bravery etc

Think you have gone off track a little.
51

In the governement we trust!,

24/07/2008 14:57:06
Sorry post was for Peter not Paul apologies.

Paul was the guy who introduced Castration how on earth could I confuse the two of you.......?
52

Pomodora,

Gravesend 24/07/2008 19:35:52
#50..read #6..and there you will find the solution, or at least the beginning of making the discipline of the past work in the future.
53

peter e,

usa 25/07/2008 03:25:27
Well, at last I provoked a response! The point is, 52, that when each individual in a country ceases to be responsible for their own welfare and safety, and is totally reliant on Big Brother, then the society looses it's vigor, creativeness and fun.

We have a couple of guys in town that emigrated from the UK. They make custom motorcycles and trikes. They love the freedom to do what they want. We love guys like that. You are welcome here also, but here guys can carry (concealed) guns-and knifes too. So beware, it's not for guys that wear panties.


 

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