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Three people a week found guilty of knife crime in Capital



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Published Date: 29 July 2008
THE number of people in Edinburgh convicted of carrying a knife in public has soared by almost 70 per cent in the past five years, it emerged today.
The most recent statistics show 165 adults were guilty of being in possession of a blade in the city – an average of around three a week. That is in addition to the twelve under-18s with a charge proved for the same offence.

It comes as the iss
ue of knife crime in the Capital has again shot to the top of the agenda following three stabbing incidents inside a week.

The figures, which are for the year 2006-7, show a dramatic rise since 2002-3 when 98 adults were found guilty of having a blade in Edinburgh.

But police are adamant the increased convictions demonstrate that initiatives and crackdowns are working and more people are getting caught, rather than more people leaving the house with a knife in their pocket.

And Justice Secretary Kenny MacAskill praised the police for their efforts.

The same figures showed a smaller rise in convictions since 2002-3 for similar offences in West Lothian, while in East Lothian they dropped.

Lothians Tory MSP Gavin Brown called for automatic prison sentences for people convicted of carrying a knife.

He said: "The recent spate of knife incidents is very worrying indeed and we need to get the message across that carrying a knife is wholly unacceptable. I believe that the only way to do this is proposing that anyone convicted of knife crime should expect to go to jail.

"Right now, what is required is a zero-tolerance approach to knife crime. We must make it absolutely clear that fiscal fines and other direct measures are inappropriate for knife crime of any kind."

But Mr MacAskill said sentencing matters should be left to the judiciary and the independent sentencing council being set up by the Scottish Government.

He said: "It's all part of the strenuous effort by Lothian and Borders Police to tackle knives.

"There have been some recent nasty incidents and we need to make sure a knife culture does not permeate into Edinburgh.

"Clearly anyone who uses a knife would almost certainly go to jail. Possession of a knife is a significant problem and we need to make sure people are aware of the seriousness of their action, but it is best dealt with by a sentencing council, which can take on board the public's views, and ultimately by the judiciary."

A police spokesman said: "This is a testament to the pro-active approach we take to getting dangerous weapons off our streets.

"The use of doorway metal detectors at pubs and clubs, intelligence-led searches of individuals, and checks on public transport have all been undertaken as part of this effort.

"In addition, the Edinburgh Violence Reduction Programme and the Unight scheme, where individuals face a lifetime ban from the city's nightclubs if they are caught with a knife on the premises, demonstrate our ongoing commitment to tackling violent crime."





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  • Last Updated: 29 July 2008 10:05 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Knife culture
 
1

I love to eat Sellotape,

29/07/2008 12:42:53
Where knives lead, forks are sure to follow.
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 29/07/2008 12:46:58
Yes forks will follow,as long as they aint pitch forks.
3

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:08:05
The answer is simple ...

Anyone caught carrying a knife in public who does not have a justifiable reason should be birched so they can't sit down for a fortnight... then wee neds might think twice about it ...

We shouldn't waste court time about it either - the police should be able to dole out this punishment without too many bits of red tape on the day in question - just like a teacher may have done a few years back ...

The police are toothless and so are the courts. Jail is a hotel and community service has no bite to it anymore because of left wing whingers and folk more concerned about the human rights of criminals and neds than the larger community as a whole.

The problem is that there is no punishment anymore and the crims and neds know it and they are laughing at the police and at the courts on violent crime/knife issues as they know they will hardly be inconvenienced at all by the current system !!
4

Vandala,

29/07/2008 13:14:01
#4. And what would you consider being a justifiable reason? Being middle class?

"Oh, I've just popped out from the kitchen where I'm slicing asparagus. Please don't birch me, m'lud".

5

Truthman,

Washington, DC 29/07/2008 13:21:44
This is nothing compared to our Capital, we have folks shot everyday, which upsets our lady police chief and makes her appear about to cry. This is our morning news: Five Shot, Three Killed, In the District Overnight
All that in just over three hours on our east side.
6

Wull The Champ,

Sunny Leith 29/07/2008 13:28:34
Number of people caught in city each week : 3

Number of people guilty of knife crime per week : too many to count.

Number of people severely dealt with by police : 0
7

Bemused and above it all,

29/07/2008 13:32:25
a swift kick in the knackers wi' thon big tackety polis boots!
Yes, its great to see such well thought out, logically based arguements. Usually accompanied by the 'its the parents' and 'wouldnt happen if we had the belt in school' nonsense, given most of the parents would have been subject to the belt at school and policing in schemes in the 80's was gang warfare in uniform, often a choice of 'i'll lift you or we can get stuck in', usually you took the kicking, not many people learned thoug did they?
8

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:34:32
4 - you are number 4 - I take it you meant no 3 !?

It would not be up to me to decide what a valid reason was silly Vandela ... but on that point how many middle class mum's do you know who carry a piece with the intention of using it ? Get the picture ??
9

Voldemort,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 13:40:15
4 and 7 - this is precisely the 'do gooder' thinking that got us into this mess - you have no solutions - we tried your way - it doesn't work and it has got worse ..

For every knife crime that happens in this country you should feel a little more innocent blood on your hands. Your sickening cotton wool approach allows crime culture to flourish unchecked and you should be ashamed.




10

Ima Stoner,

HIGH Street, edinburgh 29/07/2008 14:44:22
An automatic 5 or 10 year sentence for anyone caught with a knife - no time off for good behaviour - serve the complete sentence, and if they don't behave, add another year or two to it.
11

Truthman,

DC 29/07/2008 15:22:03
Oops, the vast majority of our force here has two digit IQs and it seems they miscounted. Six Shot, Three Killed, In the District Overnight
12

Gastric Antral Vascular Ectasia,

29/07/2008 16:43:44
What is your point? In other cities of the world, even more people are killed each day.
13

Gorgie_Tony,

Edinburgh 29/07/2008 18:33:56
3 guilty persons a week is not a true reflection of what is actually happening on the streets of Edinburgh. The police know this - but 3 a week looks good in their books. They are not out on the streets doing their job properly.

A typical call to the police:
Caller: "Help - my man's been stabbed by the next door neighbour".
Police officer: "Does the next door neighbour look very violent?"
Caller: "Yes - he is now threatening to knife me".
Police officer: mumbled sounds of 'mmm - sounds dangerous'.
Police officer: "What's your address?"
Caller: "Please get here quick - its 15 xxxx Street, ground floor flat".
Police officer: "Is that no cooncil?"
Caller: "Aye - please get here NOW".
Police officer: "Since its council property I have to pass this on to the council - I think their anti-social wardens are due a sweep of your area in two weeks time. In the meantime I have called an ambulance."
Caller: "He has now stuck the knife in me!!".
Police officer: "I will call the ambulance service and suggest they send two ambulances - sorry I can't give you a crime report number for your Criminal Injuries Claim - as I say - It's a cooncil matter - have a good day."
Police Officer: Puts down phone and states "no crime there - very little happening in Edinburgh tonight - I think I will pop down to the Deep Sea for a fish supper".
14

Journalistic licence,

In the gaol 29/07/2008 19:56:32
Ach!! Make that four.
15

celtic4,

USA 30/07/2008 00:04:05
Three people per WEEK? That is not crime...as in the USA 3 people per day or hour would be closer. PUT THE BLOKES IN THE JAIL FOR BREAKING THE LAW. Gee whiz. How hard IS that to understand????

 

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