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Tree supporters want to root out tram firm's 'dodgy' tactics



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Published Date: 05 July 2008
TRANSPORT chiefs have been accused of underhand tactics over plans to chop down 28 city centre trees to make way for the trams.
Tram firm TIE this week admitted it planned to cut down the avenue of trees along Shandwick Place – adjacent to Coates and Atholl crescents – in order to widen the road to accommodate new bus and tram lanes.

Yet letters today seen by the Evening
News and sent to residents in March, stated there were no plans to use the gardens during construction or when the trams were up and running. The letter added: "None of the trees or habitat will be disturbed".

It has also emerged that the gardens off Shandwick Place have been compulsorily purchased by the council following confusion over who held title deeds to the land. This move cleared the way for tram chiefs to go-ahead with their plans to cut down the trees.

Residents today hit out at the trams chiefs' U-turn and questioned how only four months ago they didn't know the road needed to be widened or the trees felled.

Tram firm TIE today said it was "investigating" the difference between its letter of March and the latest plans to cull the trees.

Pringle Fisher, 68, a retired dentist who lives on Atholl Crescent, said: "I just feel they have gone back on the statement they gave to us saying the trees were not going to be touched.

"We have been to two public meetings now where TIE officials said categorically that the gardens would not be affected. It is frustrating because we have not been able to do anything about this until now. We have been under the impression for the last four months that there was no issue with the trees."

The trees along Shandwick Place, which are a mixture of oak, lime and maple, were planted in 1996 to replace trees which had succumbed to Dutch elm disease and died.

Mike Campbell, a property developer who lives on Atholl Crescent, is leading a campaign to save the trees.

He said: "All of this doesn't make sense. They seem to have gone about this whole issue quietly in the hope that nobody will notice what they are up to.

"It seems bizarre that in March they had no plans to cut the trees, yet today they want chop them all down.

"I have got my lawyer checking the title deeds situation because it seems odd that we would not have at least been informed of this change. Something doesn't add up here."

TIE came under fire earlier this week for the lack of information in letters being sent to get homeowners' permission to fix overhead wires to buildings along the tram route.

The letters have been sent to hundreds of building owners along the airport to Newhaven line, where the tram firm wants to attach overhead cables used to power the trams. But legal experts hit out because the letters do not make clear that owners could be in breach of their mortgage conditions by agreeing to the fixings.

A spokesman for TIE said: "There is clearly a difference in position between the letter of March 4 and the final design. We are investigating how this occurred.

"As previously stated, TIE has committed to replacing any trees removed to a ratio of at least two to one, and this principle still applies."





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  • Last Updated: 05 July 2008 10:34 AM
  • Source: Edinburgh Evening News
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Edinburgh transport plans
 
1

rs,

in ma house 05/07/2008 11:17:06
TIE and Lies......go hand in hand

As many have said, Don't trust anything that TIE tells you as in many cases,

They'll tell you one story one minute and then change the story a few minutes later.

Everything seems to be done in an underhand way, from the TRAMworks, to cables story yesterday and now the trees.

They're safe, so off they go to get the council to do a compulsory purchase order..

So more of Edinburgh City Centre green space is diapearing under concrete and tarmac......

All Hail The Trams
All Hail TIE
2

alex paterson,

edinburgh 05/07/2008 12:19:53
This is nothing but sacrilege,these beautiful trees being chopped down for wire and lumps of steel.
3

Corruption____,

05/07/2008 12:32:06
TIE are also keeping quiet that the same part of Shandwick Place will be permanatly closed to vehicles except busses and trams. So why does the road need widened?
4

AD in sunny Livingston,

05/07/2008 12:35:01
I would have pressumed that we need MORE trees, not less. Especially in that area which is pretty highly polluted.
5

Douglas,

Bathgate 05/07/2008 12:48:11
A spokesman for TIE said "Yes, we hold our hands up. You've caught us in a lie which, if we'd managed to sneak past you, would have resulted in a fait accompli so we're away to plot some more".
6

Cynicaltalk,

05/07/2008 14:24:24
Why do trees need supporters?

Are their roots not enough?
7

Bob 2,

05/07/2008 14:25:07
question

what seats more a Double Deck bus or a Tram ?
8

Mercutio,

FALKIRK 05/07/2008 14:32:48
I give up! tell us
9

Bob 2,

05/07/2008 14:34:42
given that this is a fairly straight road, can someone from TIE explain what happens at each end of shandwick place, are the buses suddenly going to get thinner
10

Jenny MacArthur,

05/07/2008 14:59:53
This is disgusting. I'll bet there's no reason they actually need to be chopped down. It'll probably be saving them 50p/year on their insurance bill or something if there are no trees within 50 yards of the line, or some bureaucratic back-protecting bull like that. They really want to make enemies, don't they!
11

Americanbob,

Edinburgh 05/07/2008 15:29:35
Clearly this is vitally important to TIE, we wouldn't want their nice little tram set being affected by those nasty leaves on the line! By the way 50 years ago trams ran along this same stretch of road without suffering any side effects from the much larger trees at that time, I know I travelled on them! (the trams not the trees)
12

Goat Boy,

05/07/2008 16:45:59
So, Edinburgh's solution to climate change is planning to cut down trees. Hmm, I must be missing something? I thought trees are good for the planet.







13

The Tin Man,

05/07/2008 18:25:40
The Meadows would make a handy car-park....
14

Andrew,

05/07/2008 19:24:00
Headline - misread it a 'doggy' - they'll certainly miss the trees.
re 7), answer, A TRAM (with spaces for more than just 1 or 2 wheelchairs/prams etc)
15

Andrew,

05/07/2008 19:24:29
Headline - misread it a 'doggy' - they'll certainly miss the trees.
re 7), answer, A TRAM (with spaces for more than just 1 or 2 wheelchairs/prams etc)
16

Andrew,

05/07/2008 19:24:30
Headline - misread it a 'doggy' - they'll certainly miss the trees.
re 7), answer, A TRAM (with spaces for more than just 1 or 2 wheelchairs/prams etc)
17

Andrew,

05/07/2008 19:24:48
7) AND NO STAIRS TO CLIMB!!
18

Plantagenet,

05/07/2008 21:11:13
Listen bud, you just leaf our trees alone, I suggest that you construct a branch line avoiding these trees. Haven't you twigged yet that we don't want your trams so if you cancel this entire project it will be Oak-A with me.
19

Arrow,

edinburgh 05/07/2008 22:36:32
was nayone in the west end this afternoon? there was total gridlock and there were buses nose to tail from Haymarket/Dalry along Melvile Street up to Queensferry Street. chaos. was there an accident. what i did notice was the number of buses from Melville Street that blocked off the junctions to other buses coming from Dean Bridge. Princes Street was awash with buses. i did not know that there were so many buses in Scotland let alone the Lothians and all stationery! when they start diverting the buses along the new routes as part of the Tram works it would be quicker driving to Glasgow to shop. taking public transport in Edinburgh today? you should hav brought your lunch and a supply of water.
20

Statsman,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 01:46:43
TIE = LIE
21

Statsman,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 01:56:16
Constant deception and lies from TIE. TIE seem to be actively going out their way to deceive people and, in doing so, act in an underhand manner.
22

Julian.,

edinburgh 06/07/2008 03:26:14
#18,

Is that you Richard Whiteley...back from the grave?

Where's Euan by the way? I'm sure he would be completely outraged by this latest development from these evil scoundrels. There's only 1 possible answer..scrap the trams;-)
23

Corruption____,

06/07/2008 11:44:18
#19 - No accident, just loads of busses diverted due to the tram work.

Get used to it.
24

David Harrington,

Edinburgh 06/07/2008 14:42:53
This seems a storm in a teacup - afterwards there will still be at least twice as many trees so where is the problem?
25

Bob 2,

06/07/2008 19:35:15
No 14 ANDREW - WRONG

Go and Stand in the Corner, Alex Paterson's School Teacher will be along to give you three of the best.

A Double deck bus Seats more passengers than a Tram over 3 times is length.

Wheelchair users will have to travel TWICE the distance to get to a tram and then get into the middle of the road.

Thats progress for you!!!
26

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06/07/2008 21:19:53
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27

Plantagenet,

06/07/2008 21:41:25
22. Julian, is your surname Clarey? if not you obviously have a lot in common with him, especially you sarcastic sense of humour and you know what they say sarcasism is the lowest form of.
28

Douglas,

Bathgate 07/07/2008 00:25:18
Please sir, I know. It's the lowest form of spellcheck.
29

Ian down under,

Kawerau 07/07/2008 04:31:54
We could always get some new trees.
30

Mr Meadowbank,

@ home 07/07/2008 09:39:13
#26 .... well said :)
31

Niadh,

Edinburgh 09/07/2008 13:01:43
#3 Corruption___
Shandwick place to be close to non mass transit traffic?
Wasn't aware of that and it will cause problems elsewhere.

32

Old Cartha Boy,

09/07/2008 13:18:27
Part of the Environmental Statement that supported the Bill to pass the trams proposal includes a section that "where trees require removal they will be replaced with an equal number in the same or another location " - any sign of that?

This - and the business over the wires fixed to buildings expose TIE as the charlatans they are - and they haven't laid any track yet!
33

Another Ernie,

Leith 12/07/2008 12:54:32
TIE are very good at making it up as they go along. You might just think that they are incompetent. I'm angry about the trees in Shandwick Place, but here in Leith Walk we've already lost the cycle lanes (as well as the trees). I talked to a "chief engineer" who said that pavements need to be 2 metres wide and they can't fit a dedicated cycle lane in. Obviously this is the lowest priority. How does that fit in with trying to make the new transport system greener? The result is more cyclists riding on the pavements. I used to be in favour of trams, but the utility works have ripped the heart out of the community. And not an inch of track has been laid yet.

 

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