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Scribbles in the stonework of Rosslyn



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Published Date: 17 August 2006
JUST when you think there can't be anything left to dig up when it comes to secret codes and Rosslyn Chapel, another layer is unearthed. The latest mystery - involving a carving scratched on the wall of the crypt - doesn't involve the Knights Templar, the bloodline of Christ or any ancient secret societies.
But for Ashley Cowie - who has spent the best part of a decade trying to work out its meaning - the carving has huge global significance for Scotland when it comes to the history of ancient navigation.

"What is down there is an example of a lost system for measuring time and distance involving both latitude and longitude. It's a priceless mapping treasure."

This navigational teaching board - if that's what it is - forms the basis of Cowie's new book, The Rosslyn Matrix, which presents his case for Rosslyn Chapel having a cartographic explanation.At first glance, the mysterious carving looks a bit like a miniature electricity pylon with a latticed construction of uprights and grids. At the top is the outline of a misshapen cup which has a five-pointed star on one of the sides. Inside the cup shape, stacked on top of each other, are four diamond-shaped lozenges of different lengths and widths.

The crypt is part of an older structure on top of which the 15th-century chapel was built. It was used as a workshop during the chapel's construction and the scratching on the south wall seems to have been dismissed as a workman's sketch for one of the roof pinnacles.

"I can say with confidence this carving does not represent a pinnacle, or any three-dimensional church spire design," says Cowie. "This becomes obvious when you unravel the geometric layers."

Which is where he has the edge on most of us. Because where we see an electricity pylon or a badly drawn cup, Cowie sees a multi-layered, geometrically defined, mathematical template.

Perhaps it is easier to establish what Rosslyn is not before trying to explain what it is – which is why Cowie devotes the first 40 pages of his book to debunking myths.

"It is not a copy of Solomon's or Herod's Temple. It has no 'Grail Trail' link with a Jerusalem-based meridian, and mathematical analyses of original ground plans show it to be an unfinished collegiate church."

Not a knight in sight.

"I challenge anybody to show me a Templar symbol in there," he says, speaking with the righteousness of the newly converted.

"Yes, I went down all the usual roads and got involved with all the esoteric stuff, Knights Templar included. I've come out the other end with my feet now firmly on terra firma."

A decade and more has passed since his love of local history led to him brushing the dirt off an old crest on a ruined Caithness farmhouse lintel. Researching into the background of what turned out to be the engrailed cross of the St Clairs led to a fascination with the skills of the family of ancient master builders and their craftsmen.

Determined to remain unfazed by the current hype, he examined William St Clair's 15th century Rosslyn Chapel from a practical perspective.

"As Earls of Orkney and Caithness, William and his predecessors learned their navigational skills from their Norwegian overlords who were experienced explorers," Cowie explains.

The carving is what he believes to be the chapel's most enduring legacy. If correct, it must surely make a hugely important contribution to Scottish scientific history.

Getting him to explain its importance in a few short paragraphs is impossible, and the following synopsis will no doubt cause him much anxiety.The lozenges at the top are ancient symbols showing degrees of latitude. They're based on shadows recorded at solstice sunrises and sunsets producing different shapes at each degree of latitude. Tall, thin lozenges relate to northern places like Norway, which the top lozenge on the carving represents; wide and squat signifies a Mediterranean band, as in the bottom one. The middle two lozenges are the latitudes for Orkney (northern
Scotland) and Rosslyn (southern Scotland).

The pylon-shaped grid is a longitudinal slice of 15 degrees (1/24th of the 360 degree globe) and its vertical central line is an ancient meridian. The cup shape isn't a cup, or grail chalice. It's an astronomical drawing of the orbits traced by the morning and evening star, Venus.

All this was important to ancient navigators for synchronising dates, times and locations.

Cowie has certainly opened up new avenues of approach, and as far as Rosslyn Chapel is concerned they're happy to hear him out.

"It's interesting and refreshing to have a new perspective on Rosslyn," says Stuart Beattie, who oversees fundraising efforts of Rosslyn Chapel Trust.

Whether Cowie's discovery will change the way we think about ancient navigators, or just be swallowed up with all the other mysteries surrounding Rosslyn, only time will tell. But it seems certain that despite years of research this chapel still has a number of secrets left to unravel.




The full article contains 884 words and appears in scotsman.com newspaper.
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G. Scott Gillis,

St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada 17/08/2006 22:22:41

Although interesting to a degree I find your site's fixation with Rosslyn Chapel and its various theories and concepts overbearing and characteristic a somewhat wishy-washy or tacky product. Albeit obviously you exist as a commecial entity but with such a wealth of rich history to draw upon I suggest that this tabloid style sensationalism is wearing thin. I have been curious about my Scottish heritage since I first became aware of it as a young boy and I find much of your content intriguing and informative to say the least. Your genealogical column as well as "on this date..." are wonderfully done. Congratulations on these but please let Rosslyn Chapel fade back into the mix with all of the other wonderful historic sites that are so characteristic of Scotland.

Sincerely

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Elidor,

Glasgow 18/08/2006 09:08:31

I couldn't disagree more with the previous, rather snobbish comment, by G. Scott Gillis. Rosslyn Chapel is an intriguing national treasure, that until recently has been overlooked. Admittedly, it's perhaps unfortunate that it was Dan Brown's appallingly written and inaccurate Da Vinci Code (who's the snob?) that brought the chapel to people's attention, but as your article suggests, there is much still to be uncovered. How people percieve it is up to them.

From my point of view it is indeed "interesting and refreshing" to have a new perspective on the chapel, away from the normal Grail/bloodline theories, and I don't think there's anything remotely tabloidesque about the Scotsman's continued coverage. New interpretations or revelations are always welcome, such as the story about the decoding of the musical sequence encrypted in the chapel.

By the way, G, here's a tip you might find helpful; if you're fed up with stories about Rosslyn, don't click on the links...

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Dougal,

California 18/08/2006 21:11:19

Nothing new with this info.
The celtic cross has nothing to do with christianity.
Google "the working Celtic Cross" and you will find a site that explains it all.
The "inventor" or rediscoverer of this (Crichton Stewart I belive is his name) had a UK patent awarded. Using a Celtic Cross and a plumb line ancient mariners could tell thier position (lattitude and longtitude) anywhere on the earth .

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G. Scott Gillis,

St. John's, Newfoundland, Canada 19/08/2006 02:39:12

There was nothing snobbish about my comments. I don't think that because someone wrote a novel that draws Rosslyn Chapel into its plot that a medium like this full of such wonderful history should dedicate such a disproportionate amount of press to one of countless historic sites. I was not speaking of this particular article and I "don't click on the links" frequently. I would just like to see a broader range of topics. There is lots of material to work with outside of this one. Bob chooses to disagree. That is fine for him but I think it is akin to hearing the same pop tune repeated over and over throughout the day.

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John,

Elgin 19/08/2006 09:52:43

Although Chriton 'Miller' patented a navigational 'theory', his book failed to explain how the ancients calculated longitude. His web site admits he could not work it out and he offered £5000 to anyone who could work it out. I have read The Rosslyn Matrix and the author proposes a technique using Venus, derived from the crypt carving. The Rosslyn map is tangible, not a just a theory. Its not every day an ancient map is discovered and the Scotsman covered the story well, if not understating the discovery. This is a remarkable slice of overlook Scottish history, something you can touch for your self.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 11:50:20

See article #2 at www.IceAgeCivilizations.com, and Crichton Miller congratulated me on this finding, demanding that he be given credit for the role which his work played in this determination which explains how the ancients measured and mapped the globe with this simple mechanical device, Miller calls it the archaeometer (Celtic Cross).

This methodology was utilized by the ancients to determine the astronomically-derived dimensions of the Great Pyramid (see article #2), and to measure the geographical distances for the source maps of the "maps of the ancient sea kings."

The five grand reward is news to me, so I will contact Miller for it, as the finding in article #2, he agreed, is the solution.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 16:40:17

I forgot to add that if you will google Maui's Tanawa, you will see described an instrument used by the Egyptians of circa 200 B.C. which performs similarly to the Celtic Cross (archaeometer).

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 19/08/2006 17:55:19

In 1997 I discovered that the "Celtic cross" was once a protractor devised in prehistory for taking astronomical angular sightings and determining with the use of constellations and individual stars the position of the sun to determine local time and construct geometric buildings.
I went on to discover that the Dixon Relics discovered in 1872 in the Great Pyramid of Khufu and held by Piazzi Smyth, the Astronomer Royal for Scotland at the time and now partially in the British Museum and still in the pyramid were such an instrument , the model of which is accurate to 3 arc minutes or 3 nautical miles at the equator
The instrument combines the functions of a sextant, quadrant, octant, armilliary sphere,astrolabe and theodolite in one simple instrument.
To prove the theory, I applied for and was succesfully awarded two British patents in 2000 and 2001 proving the model both practically and fulfilling academic criteria for the proof of theories
The theory and astronomical support is published at www.crichtonmiller.com which receives over 500 visits daily from 90 countries world wide.
I published the scientific proof and its spiritual ancestral connections in a book The Golden Thread of Time in 2001 which still sells at a steady rate world wide.
There is still considerable resistance to this discovery because of its religious and historical implications.
Two years ago , I offered a £5000 prize for anyone who could produce a suitable academic paper on the discovery of longitude using astronomy as predicted by Sir Issac Newton without the use of a mechanical watch such as H4 , invented by fellow Scot John Harrison , They had to use both the artefact instrument and the clues to this ancient system that I have provided in both my book and website with a closing date of 1st November 2005, the winner to have the prize presented at the Andrew Collins London Questing Confere

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 18:34:19

Hello Crichton (as Seinfeld would say to Neuman),

So you don't admit that you congratulated me on my finding (as did Ralph Ellis), and that you demanded that you be given credit for the role (as did Ralph Ellis) which your work played in the determination of the methodology described in article #2 at http://www.IceAgeCivilizations.com?

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 19/08/2006 19:18:00

Hello James

I have congratulated you on your deducement of the early earth based astrological measurement co ordination and their association with precession of the equinoxes evident in the construction of the Pyramid of Khufu.
You have not yet, in my opinion, discovered longitude without a sea going time piece or modern GPS system or presented a working thesis to prove it.
May I respectfully suggest that you go to www.crichtonmiller.com and study the section on navigation or one of your Stateside excellent sea school publications to realise the problems associated with with finding a position without reference to land marks or the difference in local time and universal time presented to a navigator out of the sight of land without a mechanical time keeping device or a sextant.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 19:30:48

As the archaeometer is in effect a timepiece, because it can predict where the constellations will be on a certain date in the future (based upon the precession rate of 72 years/degree), it thereby is a timepiece for the rate of precession, and that is the periodicity which was employed to measure time for longitude measurments at sea by the ancients.

Did you google Maui's Tanawa? Very interesting, and corroborative of the archaeometer's capability which you describe.

By the way, why don't you reveal your secret theory about how they supposedly really did it, so that the readers can compare methodologies? Surely, you're willing to put your idea up to scrutiny, as mine is a nice neat package, and yours is thus far unknown (except, I guess, to you).

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 19:40:49

By the way Crichton, if my determination is not the supposed real one which you say you have, then why did you demand that you be given credit for the role which your work played in the determination which you now say is not the real deal?

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 19/08/2006 20:00:52

Maui's Tanawai is well known to serious archaeoastronomers but I will tell you and any reader interested, this truth:
You cannot find longitude by predicting the location of constellations alone, the world spins at 900 nautical miles per hour at the equator, the idea is preposterous and completely impractical as any experienced navigator will attest
The artefact that I named an Archaeometer that the world knows as a "Celtic cross" is not a time piece
It is merely a measuring instrument.
I did not invent it, I only rediscovered it
Without the great knowledge of our ancestors which was completely integrated with Nature you will never find the answer in the same way that those who tried to solve the problem of Longitude in the 18th Century could not.
Those who did know at that time dare not say since the wheel cross had become a religious icon.
I choose not to tell this knowledge at this time because I want my fellow human beings to use their minds for themselves. That is the true meaning of freedom

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 20:16:15

Measurements with the archaeometer (and Maui's Tanawa, and the "Mayan Staff of Power?") had nothing to do with the spin-rate of the earth, they had to do with the measured rate of the slow wobble of the earth's axis, from one equinox date to another, which manifests as the apparent slow movement of the constellations (72 years/degree) along the horizon, the ancient source maps were azimuthal equidistant maps.

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Crichton,

Rugby England 19/08/2006 20:51:38

This does not explain how to find longitude
Newton was responsible for the modern interpretation of Precession that you quote as Hipparchus was in his time when he considered 1 degree in 100 years.
Most people have no idea that it is precession that causes the seasons on our planet and therefore life as we know it
I had the honour of returning the Mayan Staff of Power to Don Ajlehandro Elder of Elders and Spiritual leader of 6 million Maya in 1998.
This bundled instrument of the "working cross" is now used to teach Maya children in the Mystery Schools.
This is all in the book The Golden Thread of Time available at Amazon or at www.crichtonmiller.com

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 19/08/2006 21:05:21

You never did say why you demanded credit for the role which your work played in the determination of the methodology in article #2, since you now say that there is nothing for you to demand credit about in that determination, so exactly what did you see in my finding which induced you to demand credit for the role of your work in it, and please be specific.

Article #2 does in fact explain how the ancients measured east-west distances (longitude), so please explain what points in the analysis are ostensibly flawed (and remember, you congratulated me on the finding, and demanded credit for the role of your work).

Please explain how precession causes the seasons of the year.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 01:38:40

I do not believe that this public forum is the right place to discuss the personal moral values of individuals involved in research, copyright and publishing.
I am delighted that my discovery has been of assistance to you in your own later work
Discovering longitude from a navigators point of view is the finding of a precise north south location on the earth in relation to an established prime meridian or 0 point when travelling east or west of that prime meridian.
Knowledge of the distance of the circumference of the earth at the equator east or west in degrees arc minutes or seconds translated into a recognisable measurement of distance does not establish that personal location because there is nothing to relate the position to
The established historical navigation method of finding longitude developed in the 18th Century by John Harrison is to carry a clock on the ship set to Universal time at the prime meridian and to adjust another time piece by taking noon sights of the sun.
Your paper does not suggest an alternative method. for finding longitude at sea which is the subject of this discussion raised by and particular to the article.

Precession causes seasons because the earths axis is tilted creating a variation in insolation during annual orbit. The correct term is luni-solar precession which drives the cycles of nature such as weather, animal migration and crop rotation.
This is evident in my research at www.crichtonmiller.com

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 02:07:35

Moral values? I merely asked you what supposed flaw do you ostensibly see in article #2 (about which you previously demanded to be credited), so what does that have to do with "moral values?"

The Great Pyramid was on the ancient Prime Meridian, it was the reference point from which distances and directions were measured by triangulating the predictable positions of the stars at a given location, at a given time of the year, compared to the position of the stars then as would be seen at Giza.

Once a remote geographic location's position was measured, it could then be used as a secondary reference point, from which radial measurements could be made, so effectively, from all the reference points, they were making what amounted to what polar projection maps (azimuthal equidistant) are like, very accurate near the reference point, and less accurate farther away from the reference point.

So the "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings," as described by Hapgood, are compilations of many small source maps which were measured with the archaeometer, and later were combined in the 1300's, 1400's, and 1500's A.D.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 02:43:32

Crichton, how do you explain the remarkable accuracies of the east-west distances of the "Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings," if not by the methodology explained in article #2, which also explains the design cited by Cowrie at Rosslyn?

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Timo Puhakka,

Toronto 20/08/2006 03:23:33

The article has the quote from Ashley Cowie "I challenge anybody to show me a Templar symbol in there,". I can think of few templar symbols more common than the 5 pointed star of Venus. Similarly 5 petaled roses along with the 5 pointed stars appear in Templar built cathedrals throughout Europe. The 5 pointed star of Venus also appears in every Masonic lodge world wide. Also the navigational origins of the lozenges would be a demonstration of how the (escaped) Templars were able to navigate to America before returning to Scotland where they carved depictions of Maize, decades before Columbus "discovered" the new world. Indeed Knight and Lomas in "Uriel's Machine" (Century Books 1999) connected the Templars and Masons with the Lozenges of the Groved Ware People of ancient Britain.

Am I really the only person to have noticed this?

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 10:34:59

The intercontinental travel of sea going peoples is the answer to what is called diffusion and debate still rages amongst academics over the unusual distribution of spear points known as Clovis on both sides of the Atlantic dating to the end of the last Ice Age
Thor Heyerdhal proved the ocean going capability of ancient ships but the last bastion of academics clutching to the official line was the supposed inability of our ancestors to find longitude.
The destruction of the Library at Alexandria by succesive religious extremists wiped most of our real history out, but circumstantial evidence points to discoveries made in Solomons Temple during the Crusades that ressurected some of that information to the benefit of those who became known as Templars who also travelled by sea.
There is a chart kept in the vatican known as the Ribero World Chart created between 1510 and 1520AD which shows the the Atlantic and Pacific sides of the USA in almost perfect longitude, 200 years before the solving of longitude by The Royal Navy with the help of Harrisons Chronometer and the invention of the sextant.
Are we expected to believe that the world was mapped by sailing ships that could only voyage at certain times of the year and circumnavigate the Americas without the benefit of the Panama Canal 18 years after the discovery of America by Columbus?
In my opinion, this is an underground knowledge kept by a secret society for over 1000 years under the noses of established religion that leads from our ancient sea faring past to creation of the American Constitution with the help of the thinkers of the Scottish Enlightenment .
Henry the navigator was not the first, French Fishermen sailed to the Grand banks long before Columbus as did the Irish monk Brendan the Navigator around the time of Constantine and the Vikings also did their bit
Petroglyphs in Scandinavia show the wheel cross with ships 1500 BC
Seafaring and navigation requires a knowle

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Crichton,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 11:58:37

Those who do not live near Edinburgh or have visited Roslyn should be aware that there is opposition to the enlightenments arising from the publicity created by Dan Brown about this place.
The hills behind Roslyn are known as the Pentlands
In other words the Land of the Pentagram.
The pentagram is a prime form used in "Sacred Geometry" and was considered part of the rites of Witchcraft by the Church.
Roslyn Chapel is a remarkable creation reflecting the hierarchy of Nature including light, the heavens , sound and seasons and its symbols reflect Man's place in the system of things on this planet.
That is why such "Pagan"symbols of the Green Man, The Vine of Life, the Sun on which we rely for our existence and the Serpent along with other astrological symbols are incorporated into the design
The shortened coffin of a Templar knight in the Leper Chapel and the symbols on the wall are Templar and Masonic in origin as is the village of Temple nearby and Crichton collegiate church to the east.
Roslyn means Rose Line which is a reference to the line that passes through a compass rose on a chart
These early charts show the use of Astrology for navigation and timekeeping.
Not modern non sidereal astrology that we read in the common press that is based on Greek mathematics and entirely innacurate, but astronomical observation astrology which means "logic of the stars" and was a science in its time for observing our time ad place on the world
The instrument for observing the angles was a Wheel Cross from which the Quadrant(quarter of a circle) Octant(eigth of a circle) and sextant(sixtieth of a circle) were named in deference to the archetype full circle.
Roslyn is Templar all right, there is no doubt about that.
It is covered in some detail in my book The Golden Thread of Time at www.crichtonmiller.com

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 12:29:05

Crichton, last time I checked, they don't offer Ph.D's in astrology, because it's not science, it's a religion which, by faith, ascribes life-affecting attributes to stars and their movements.

The "logic of the stars," of which you speak, is entailed in the explanation in my article, which shows that the ancients measured and mapped the earth with a simple integration of astronomy, geometry, and arithmetic, as plainly laid-out in the article, that is why you congratulated me on the finding, and demanded that your work be credited to have assisted in the finding.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 13:37:28

Astronomy and astrology are both merely labels to identify a practice
Astronomy which uses astrological symbols to identify stars and constellations means "Naming of the Stars" and is rightfully acredited with the status of a science accompanied by practical observation and modelling
Astrology is considered to be a pseudo science because modern astrologers do not observe the stars as astronomers do.
It is only lack of understanding of the practice of our ancestors that would allow the lay person to misunderstand that it is the stars that affect our lives.
Our ancestors observed the stars merely as a fixed backdrop against which to measure the motion of the earth and other planets in their annual ecliptic orbits, but primarily they attributed cyclical changes of cause and effect to the sun( our nearest star) which eventually changed our world view from polytheism to monotheism probably around the time of the heretic Pharoah Akhenaten who displaced the Pagan Pantheon of the Priests of Amun who's philosophy was based on Time and creative and destructive ages related to luni solar precession.
Early Christianity appears to be based in Solar worship and the use of astrology is widespread within the Cathedrals of the Middle Ages in Europe.
The early sign of the fish as a Christian symbol is directly related to the 2160 year astrological sign of Pisces as is the name Amun or Amen at the end of the Lords prayer, the Egyptian word for the Age of Aries or the Sheep that commenced with the construction of the Giza complex.
The use of observational astrology is extant in the navigational symbology of the Ribero World Chart held in the Vatican.
To answer your other question, the recent case of Baigent Vs Brown highlighted a ruling that those who write novels which are works of entertainment should be allowed to use serious research without reference
But those who wish to create important research including students writin

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 13:46:07

The folks at GrahamHancock.com saw fit to publish my ancient mapping finding at his website, at "News Desk," do a search for my name, and there it is.

Some of Hancock's work in Fingerprints of the Gods and Underworld were instrumental in the deduction of the finding, along with the work of Crichton, and Ralph Ellis, author of Thoth, Architect of the Universe, from which I learned of the 22/7 x 40/40 = 880/280 calculation which the ancients made in establishing the Great Pyramid's astronomically-derived dimensions.

And please note that traditional archaeologists say that the length of the Egyptian royal cubit was established by the length from a pharoah's elbow to his finger-tip, or by the width of six or seven of a pharoah's hand-widths, hardly scientific, but that is what they say, however, the simple astronomy, geometry, and arithmetic of article #2 is self-evidently valid, and jibes with the precession numbers, such as 6, 12, 36, 72, and 432, which are curiously found in many ancient legends from seemingly disparate people groups.

And why the 440 yard run, and the 880, of pre-metric times? See the article, they are a remnant of the ancient mapping methodology, as 440 cubits composed one base side of the Great Pyramid, and 880 composed two base sides.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 14:08:49

Crichton, when I made the determination, you were one of the first I contacted (along with Ellis and Hancock), and from day one, you have all been credited for your roles.

As soon as I told you about the finding, you immediatley demanded to be credited (your strong endorsement of it). Your saying "your work does reference mine now as is right and I should not have to demand it" is mistaken "recollection" on your part, I credited you from day one, so get over that, and stop misrepresenting what really happened.

We are discussing how the ancient Celts knew of accurate longitude measuring, as evidenced with the observations of Cowie in The Roslyn Matrix, my finding explains how it was done, you agreed with your demand for credit, and there it is.

By the way, notice that the 2,160 years of a zodiac age, of which you spoke, is half the number of years (4,320) which it takes for the constellations to move along one side of the earth hexagon (60 degrees), as noted in the article, and that 432 denomination is also the miniturization denomination of the Great Pyramid's dimensions from the earth's dimensions, so the tie-in should be apparent to all.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 14:52:50

I am sorry to tell you that in my opion,the finding of a longitude position is not yet answered by your theory.
The measurement of the earth translated into linear measurement based on the human form such as the foot or finger from the motion of the sun is only explained at the equator or a great circle and does not take into account the factor 6.66 as described in my research to determine earth circumference on a small circle.
I would not trust you to tell me where I was in a small ship out of the sight of land or place my life in your hands as a navigator until you tell me how it works, which you have not yet done
That is the same as far as I can tell with The Roslyn Matrix.
Without reading Mr Cowies full research and relying on the article posted above as a synopsis I only see that the Matrix bears a similarity to Ptolemy's conic projection that was common knowledge in Greece 300BC, furthermore, the use of latitude based angular shadows to measure the angle of the sun goes back to Sumeria and is still employed to day to make simple garden sundials by adjusting the gnomon to the latitude of use to project the shadow.
It would seem to me that the scribing of a crude chart on the wall for instruction of novices or apprentices would be standard practice for a sea going force of the 14th and 15th Centuries that regularily sailed out of Dunbar, Leith and Berwick to France, Portugal, the Baltic and the Meditereanean also the considering the Ribero World Chart created by the Portuguese in and around that time.
I suggest it was common knowledge at the time of the Templars
But your earth measurement bears no relation in my opinion to actually locating your position on a transatlantic voyage or even a Biscay crossing to avoid hitting rocks like the British Navy used to do before Harrison.
There is an ancient method of combining Longitude and Latitude to place your position within the visual circumference of the horizon that does no

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 15:09:30

I don't propone that the ancient Egyptian royal cubit was measured by forearm-lengths or hand-widths, most Egyptologists do, however, as I previously and plainly stated, such precision for the dimensions of the Great Pyramid (and ancient mapping) could obviously not have resulted from such a crude scheme.

Why did you demand that you be credited as being a part of the finding if, as you say, it means nothing?

How do you explain the plethora of precession numbers, such as 12, 36, 54, 72, and 432, in ancient legends and architectures which obviously "fall-out" from the methodology described in article #2?

You are to be congratulated on your re-discovery of the archaeometer, as you congratulated me on the finding of the methodology utilized with it by the ancients.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 15:43:37

As I said before, the meaning of Ruler is measurer, just like the instrument we used at school
It is quite remarkable how the human form reflects the geometry of the universe as Da Vinci tried to show in his art.
Your foot fits neatly into the length of your forearm from wrist to elbow
When the Nile flooded it was important for the measurer to decide the ownership of the fields to avoid dispute afterwards.
I guess if there was a vertically challenged succession Ruler the poor farmers fields would become smaller unless a standard was created.

They are not just precession numbers, they are universal and apply to other natural cycles based on 360 as well.
The wheel on the cross gives much more insight
72 x 10 x 2 = 1440 a very sacred biblical number
You should read my research on the so called Philosophers Stone at http://www.crichtonmiller.com/philosophers_stone.htm
The wheel cross does not work without this ancient device

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 16:08:28

Crichton, you still haven't said why you think there is a profusion of precession numbers in ancient legends and architectures, from seemingly disparate ancient people groups, nor why you would say that the fact that these precession numbers fall-out from the methodology described in my article is of no obvious connection.

I'm still not clear on why you see the fact that the length of one's foot and forearm are roughly the same as being germane to ancient earth-measuring, remember the Great Pyramid's precision if much greater than that, not to be matched until modern times, so your measures based on human anatomy are for some other discussion.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 19:06:24

I am sorry, I thought I had been saying it all along in the previous posts
It always frustrates me that my inability to communicate clearly obscures my meaning
The ancients could measure precession and because precession is directly connected to life and death by causing the seasons due to the earths tilt the numbers are sacred.
They are sacred since they depict the forces of creation and destruction that will ensure that the bodies of both you and I and all who read this will not exist in 70 more orbits of the sun, but that new humans who are not here yet whose seed or (bloodline)live within us might providing mankind still exists
The numbers appear to be man made, but they do reflect an inescapable synchronisity such as a pentagram is 360 degrees divided by 72 and precession is 1 degree in 72 years and there are 5 degrees of precession in 360 years and 360 years + 5 = 365 which equals the 24 hour days in a year or 1 solar orbit
360 x 72 = 25920 which is the rate of one rotation of precession or what the Ancients called A Great Year
One age of 2160 divide by360 = 6 x 12 = 72
We have 5 senses and 360 divide by 5 = 72
We have 7 orifices in our skull and 360 divide by 7 = 51.42 which is the angle of slope of the Great Pyramid.
As the Egyptians said to the Greeks, we are like children.

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ashley,

perthshire 20/08/2006 19:29:21

Having read all the posts over the last few days, I still challenge anyone to point out a Templar or Masonic symbol in Rosslyn chapel. I do not have time, or the desire to enter an ongoing Internet debate about Templars and such subjects, but I will respond to some of the submissions made on this page in effort to help clear the mists, which surround Rosslyn chapel.

Rosslyn Chapel was built 136 years after the Templars were dissolved. The St Clair family actually testified against the Templars in Scotland and no evidence exists to suggest any St Clair’s were ever Templars. However, many modern authors select elements from Rosslyn and assume it has a ‘Templar connection’. This is no more than creative imagination running array, selecting parts of the building to support pre-shaped theories, rather than building theories upon the tangible parts.

Mr Millar, you stated “The hills behind Rosslyn are known as the Pentlands. In other words the Land of the Pentagram.” The etymology of ‘Pentland Hills’ and ‘The Pentland Firth’ is from the term ‘Pict-land’, land of the picts, nothing to do with pentagrams.

You went on to say, “That is why such "Pagan" symbols of the Green Man appear in Rosslyn”. I must point out that the “green man” is not specifically a pagan symbol. The “green man” appears on the walls of ‘Notra-Dame’ and on most medieval Christian holy buildings erected throughout Europe. To Christians, the green man was emblematic of the concept that god breathed life into nature, the foliage sprouting from the mouth representing the word of god. Contrary to your claim, it was a very popular Christian symbol and considering Rosslyn’s designers were under the watchful eye of the Diocese of St Andrews, they simply would not have been permitted to use Pagan Symbols.

I will now broaden my challange, and go as far as to say, ‘I challenge anyone to point out a Pagan symbol in Rosslyn’, my assertion being Rosslyn is wholly Christian.

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ashley,

perthshire 20/08/2006 19:31:51

The designs on Rosslyn’s crypt wall are not Templar or Masonic, none of them. They can ‘all’ be related to building craft techniques, using compasses and rulers. They explain processes of creating pointed arches and other design features measurable in the structure.

Mr Millar, you also stated “Rosslyn means Rose Line”. This alluring idea captured my imagination when I was in my twenties, however, after much research I have had to accept this is not what Rosslyn means. I have completed a probability study on the name and having considered: Norse, old Irish, French, Latin and Gaelic interpretations, the third highest probability was --‘little red haired one’. The second was --“Small Horse” but the highest probability is Gaelic, meaning ‘Ros’ - promontory, ‘Linne’ - Pool of water, describing the environment surrounding the church and castle.

As far as calculating longitude in ancient times goes: Mr Millar, with all due respect, if you actually new the answer. the whole world would be celebrating your amazing discovery. I read your book, ‘The Golden Thread of time’ and I respect many of the observations you made, however you did not explain how the ancients calculated longitude.

To say you know the answer, but ‘we’ are not ready to handle it yet, could be seen by some, as a little condescending. However, your work on latitude is excellent.

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ashley,

perthshire 20/08/2006 19:36:01

Timo Puhakka you said “I can think of few templar symbols more common than the 5 pointed star of Venus. Similarly 5 petaled roses along with the 5 pointed stars appear in Templar built cathedrals throughout Europe.”

Here are a few for you, the Cross Patte, the Maltese Cross and the Beausant, are among the handful of symbols used by the original Templar’s. You are correct to say Christian Holy buildings display pentacle and pentagram features, but they represented the five wounds of Christ and a few other biblical concepts. All the other Monastic orders in the 12th and 13th centuries who built holy buildings used pentacles, therefore it is not specifically a Templar symbol. Stars and roses do not mean Rosslyn is Templar. It is far more probable the roses in Rosslyn relate to the Virgin Mary and this is a predictable occurrence in a building erected by Catholics.

Here’s a wee challenge for you: show me one single valid historical reference to the Templars having used a rose symbol within their Order.

You went on to say “The 5 pointed star of Venus also appears in every Masonic lodge world wide”. I agree with this statement, but so do octagons, hexagons and nonagons. Considering there is not a single Masonic carving in Rosslyn chapel, and not a shred of evidence to suggest Masons used it for rituals, the stars in Rosslyn are not Templar or Masonic. Some complex modern theories associate Rosslyn to Freemasonry, but when facts are faced, all these ideas fall apart, having being built upon speculative observations.

You said: “Also the navigational origins of the lozenges would be a demonstration of how the (escaped) Templars were able to navigate to America before returning to Scotland where they carved depictions of Maize, decades before Columbus "discovered" the new world."

This is a fun idea, which a couple of new-age authors drummed up around ten years ago. I do not believe Templars escaped to America or anywhere else. T

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ashley,

perthshire 20/08/2006 19:38:04

And finally, you asked: “Am I really the only person to have noticed this?“ No you are not, and I admit I believed in such theories, until I was introduced to the term ‘sceptical analysis’. It shocked me to discover how much speculation has been turned into fact and how warped these fields of research have become.

My ancestors are Norse and I feel their salt fish trading network and fur trading explorations into the North Atlantic some 400 years before Templars existed, are undermined and overlooked every time this pre-Columbian voyage is celebrated. You can travel to America from Scotland and remain within a couple of hundred miles of land, hopping from Shetland, to the Faroes, to Iceland and around Greenland. You don’t need lozenge knowledge.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 20/08/2006 20:41:35

I respect your views Ashley, but the idea that you can hop around the ocean out of the sight of land and hit Iceland or the Faroes indicates that you have never sailed in charge of your own sailing craft like your ancestors
Without mountains the horizon at a viewing height of 3 meters is around 3.5 nautical miles not hundreds
There is evidence of portolans(charts) going back at least 1500 years not a mere 600
For those more sceptical my friend and fellow author Phil Gardiner who wrote the Serpent Grail has suggested that the image could well be a scaffolding tower used by the masons as they planned the building
For those who do not see Masonic evidence please look above the door in the East annex to the Leper Chapel where you will clearly see the inscription of Mark Masons
One is a cross on a tripod
Having been brought up in Liberton near Roslyn and the Pentland Hills, I am well aquainted with the area.
I did not condescend to anyone when I said I was not ready to release the information about Longitude
The academic work is enormous and I am not yet ready to publish my next work
The last book took 4 years to complete
The theory and model work, allowing me to set a challenge that was well publicised on the web but no one took it up by the closing date.
The discovery of the working cross as a astronomical device is major on its own since it is the first working artefact that proves a theory and answers many mysteries, it took academia and the media 7 years before it started to filter through.
It is now used in 3 other books by fellow authors to support their own research
What makes you so certain that Historians, academics and the media will support this discovery of longitude when it threatens historical authority?
This work is grass roots,a gift to the people and a labour of love and a thank you to that great Spirit that gave me life and purpose.
But I am not sure at my time of life that

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 20:47:27

Hello Ashley,

Congratulations on your new book, The Rosslyn Matrix, I do intend to read it.

The lozenges are in the ancient building upon which the Rosslyn Chapel was later built, so how old do you think was the original building?

And is there any indication of who were the original builders?

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 20:53:18

Crichton, your clues have already been used, and I thank you for your good work.

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ashley,

Perthshire 20/08/2006 22:27:00

Dear mr Miller

The sailing directions for Greenland are listed in the Landnámabók, an account of the discovery and settlement of Iceland written in the 12th century. To get to Greenland, Norse navigators sailed due west maintaining a constant latitude. They could follow the coast line round to America, and didn't really need to consider longitude to get to America and back. I believe the term is 'running latitude'.

You said "For those who do not see Masonic evidence please look above the door in the East annex to the Leper Chapel where you will clearly see the inscription of Mark Masons".

This is not 'M'asonic evidence, it's 'm'asonic evidence. The small 'm' being the important bit. Ofcourse master masons marked their stones, but this has nothing to do with Freemasonry, or the Mark degree.

Your friend suggested the image could be a scaffolding tower used by the masons as they planned the building. Could you ask him which part on a scaffolding tower the horn shape, the star and the lozenges represent? I like this idea, but any theory must account for all the parts.

I agree that your discovery of the working cross as an astronomical device is major on its own. It was a highly original concept. But, when you offered a prize for the solution of longitude in antiquity, it was perceived as a cry for help, rather than admitting you were close, but stuck. The immediate question being, 'why would a man with such a prized piece of knowledge need to give away £5000 to anyone?'

You asked, "What makes you so certain that Historians, academics and the media will support this discovery of longitude when it threatens historical authority?"

Please define your term 'historical authority' because I cannot think of a single person, group or society, who would benefit from hushing your discoveries up. On the contrary, the media love stirring things up and would happily promote your ideas. Please explain which a

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ashley,

Perthshire 20/08/2006 22:37:41

Thanks James

I'am sure you will enjoy it.

The east window in the original building, now the crypt, has been dated to the 11th-12th century. The last three St Clair Jarls of Orkney were buried underneath it, which suggests they built it, but nobody can be sure. The land was gifted to that family in 1057 ad, and their may have been a structure in existance since this time. Have you been to Rosslyn? Have you seen the lozenges and the Matrix?

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 20/08/2006 22:51:35

Ashley, I have not been to Rosslyn, but perhaps I could buzz up there, as I may go to Spain to do a documentary about Atlantis.

All I've seen of the lozenges and the matrix is from the article here in The Scotsman, so I look forward to reading your book.

Is it available in stores in the U.S., or is through your website the way to go?

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Crichton,

Rugby England 21/08/2006 01:17:51

Ashley
I agree that it is unlikely to be scaffolding for the reasons you state

"latitude sailing" or "running down your easting (or westing) was reputed to have been used by Columbus and Degamo

You consider that it is possible to run the coastline of Greenland by following a line of latitude from Norway, the only clear line of latitude is that of 60 degrees N from Norway through the Shetland Islands and it is 1000 nautical miles of open ocean until it touches the most southerly tip of Greenland with a further 450 Nm to the coast of America landing just south of the Hudson
To take the route you suggested earlier via the Faroes and Iceland to the coast of Greenland is not a clear line of latitude but a great circle route even when Island hopping . To vary between latitudes with many land falls and outcrops is a very complex excercise compared. You will also have to take into account current and leeway.In your example relating to the 12th Century it should be understood that Polaris was not as close to the celestial pole due to precession as it is now, It was circling the pole at 12.5 degrees from its present position creating a variation of distance depending on the time of night and the time of year of some 750 nautical miles and therefore could provide an unreliable source of latitude. have you considered in your work how this difficulty of finding latitude could have been overcome by the Vikings while at sea?

You may be reassured that I have discovered the ancient method of finding longitude with the cross and have publically staked my reputation on it,
I look forward to reading your research and wish you success with your book

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ashley,

21/08/2006 07:45:08

Your last paragraph was exciting, I like your confidence, and if you have found the method to calculate longitude in antiquity, let me be the first to say welldone! This is a massive claim.

Check the accuracy of your statement about Polaris, I was under the impression in was about 3.5 - degrees out at the time of Columbus not 12, I could be wrong, but I don't think so.

There are a number of ways to figure latitude at sea, which I have considered in my work:

a.using basic trignometry to locate the north celestial pole, its angle from the horison is the same as ones latitude on Earth.

b. Measuring the angle of the Sun at mid-day.

c. Possibly, the highyly speculative Lodestone method, but I doubt it.

d. A simple bucket of water with a floating gnomon on a disk, to manifest the shadow.

I will clarify the methods of getting to America tonight as the day job is about to kick in.

I also have a working theory about a method using Venus, which I have not completed yet.

Cheers for now.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 21/08/2006 12:27:56

Ashley, have you looked at my article #2 yet at www.IceAgeCivilizations.com?

It does explain how the ancients measured and mapped the globe, and Crichton Miller demanded credit for the role which his work played in the finding, so "the man" agreed with the finding's validity.

As they could measure the earth from measuring the apparent movement of the constellations along the horizon (due to precession), they obviously could determine east-west distances (longitude), and this is reflected in the Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings (Hapgood).

The ancient maps did not have latitude and longitude lines, they had radial spokes from reference points which emanated out, intersecting various geographical lines, such as coastlines at various distances and directions from the reference points, as measured with Crichton's "archaeometer."

The grids of latitude and longitude were drawn onto the maps drawn from radial archaeometer measurements from reference points, for easy designations of specific locations with the applied grid system of latitude and longitude lines.

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ashley,

Perthshire 21/08/2006 19:02:16

Hello James.

I have now read your article and found a number of elements of interest. As you said in the last post, your article explains how the ancients ‘could’ have mapped the globe, but it does not prove they did map the globe.

I must be straight with you, I do not regard the work of Charles Hapgood. There was a time when I wished for his claims to be true, but I no longer take this work seriously. His claims require a massive leap of faith and most people involved in the history of cartography shudder when his name is mentioned, primarily because his claims require such a massive leap of faith.

If he had proved the southern details on the Piri-Reis map were not mere works of fiction, I may consider his conclusions, but he did not. The 70's were fertile soil for such new-age ideas but today, science squeezes them dry at every turn.

Like you, many researchers claim the ancient Egyptians mapped the Earth and erected monuments such as pyramids and stone circles as geographical reference points for astronomical measurements, in adherence to a global grid. I have good reason to believe these monuments actually disprove such ideas and this will be laid out in my forthcoming title: “the mark of Rope maker six”.

I cannot get around this simple fact: never has an Egyptian’s body been dug up in Scotland and no Scot’s have ever been found buried in Egypt. Where are the human casualties of this global mapping project? Studying the designs on ancient arts and crafts, only a handful of repeated shapes appear around the Earth and if such a global project took place, it would be measurable in languages, cultural practices and traditions. The social evidence would be jumping out at us, but it does not.

My research leads me to believe: between 3800- 3000 BCE, northern Neolithic societies stopped wandering the landscapes and began settling at their traditional hunting fishing stations. Wild seeds and animals were domesticated and having ac

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 21/08/2006 19:45:47

Ashley, the fantastic accuracy of the east-west distance measurements (longitude) on the Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings (Hapgood) indicates that somebody was measuring and mapping the globe in ancient times. No pre-Harrison's-chronometer cartographers could have produced any maps of such accuracies without, of course, a methodology where they could measure the earth by measuring the movements of the stars, and my finding explains how those ancients did it.

There is much evidence of Canaanite presence in Britain around 2000 B.C., I never said the Egyptians traveled there.

The conventional cartographers shudder at the thought of Crichton's work because they can't accept that the ancients could have measured and mapped the earth, doesn't comport with their accepted reading on how things were at around 2000 B.C., but Barry Fell and others have demonstrated the presence of ancient Middle Easterners in the Americas in that timeframe, and the Popol Vuh and the Chilaam Baalam of Central America say that their ancestors sailed from the east, when they "measured the round face of the earth and the arch of the sky," so here you see the methodology of my article #2 poetically described in those ancient Central American documents.

The commonality of this mapping knowledge among various ancient people groups is borne-out with the commonality of the precession numbers in various ancient legends and architectures (see the 1st paragraph of my article #2, among many more examples which I could cite), so, Ashley, how do you explain the commonality of numbers such as 12, 24, 36, 54, 72, 108, and 432, in ancient legends and architectures? Are they all just a coincidence?

And, specifically, what are the "elements of interest" which you see in the finding?

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ashley,

21/08/2006 23:04:07

I will answer your last post in to parts. Firstly about Hapgoods work and tomorrow I will address the reoccurring processional numbers in architecture.

The Piri Ries map reveals a stack of errors that falsify claims of its ‘unusual’ accuracy. The methodology used to determine the longitude and latitude of the map has all sorts of errors. The roots of these inaccuracies can be gleaned in Mallery’s "Rediscovery of Lost America" where he states:

“Midway in my research on the old charts and maps, I discovered that the grids marked on them were incorrect. After deciding that these incorrect grids had probably been added much later by persons other than the original draftsman, I removed them and worked out what I consider to be the correct grids. During this time it became obvious that each map or chart was an assembly of several charts and/or maps of contiguous areas and that the separate charts or maps combined to produce a single map were not all drawn to the same zero point."

Mallery’s assumption was that the maps were ‘originally accurate’ and any errors are the result of ‘later copying and compilation’. As a result any error whether part of original source maps or not, is erased during the reconstruction of the original source maps, on which a particular map is based.

Removing errors, regardless of their origin is a standard part of reconstructing the original source maps and it is not surprising that they appear highly accurate. Because no proof is offered that the errors he corrected were the results of copying and the compilation process, these reconstructed source maps may have no basis in fact and may not actually be part of the source map. Dr Hapgood ‘fixed’ the Piri Reis Map in much the same way.

cont....

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ashley,

Perthshire 21/08/2006 23:06:01

The apparent accuracy observed in the Piri Reis Map results from the source maps being reconstructed with the assumption that original source maps were accurate. Any errors in it came from copying and compilation. Therefore, errors in the Piri Reis map were eliminated, by fitting it to modern maps, then accounting for the misfits by adjusting the boundaries and separate grids of his hypothesised and unproven source maps. The latitude and longitude system on the Piri Reis map appears accurate because Dr. Hapgood drew the boundaries, and latitude - longitude grids on his source maps in order to eliminate the gross errors exhibited by the Piri Reis map.

Although the Piri Reis Map mentions the existence of various source maps, there lacks any evidence whatsoever for the correctness of boundaries and grids on the alleged source maps drawn by Hapgood. The reconstructed source maps are ‘assumed’ to be accurate because they eliminated many of the errors present in the uncorrected Piri Reis Map. However, there is no proof whether these errors were in the alleged original source maps, or created during compilation.

Dr Hapgood reasoned that ‘his’ hypothetical grids and source maps can remove the errors, and this proves these maps are accurate. He went on to claim that since they are accurate, this proves that the error was created by copying and compilation of the Piri Reis Map and not in the source maps, from which it was made. This means one claim is the proof of the other claim, without any other independent evidence. This result’s in the apparent accuracy of the Piri Reis map, which could just as probably be the result of the assumptions made by Dr. Hapgood, as to the source of the errors in the existing map.

Even with this ‘fixing’, there remain many problems with the Piri Reis Map. The Piri Reis Map is grossly inaccurate and your claims of accuracy apply only to the source maps reconstructed by Dr Hapgood. As I said above, the accuracy of these

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 21/08/2006 23:48:40

The term is precession, not procession, I wouldn't have mentioned it, but that's the second time you've typed it that way.

The vividly accurate contours of shorelines of South America, Antarctica (early in the Ice Age), Africa, and almost all of Europe, on the Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings, far surpass the precision which mapmakers, up until modern times, made without the precession-mapping capability demonstrated with article #2, and without actually having been to those regions in ancient times (even during the Ice Age), as they navigated and mapped much of the globe, leaving behind the evidences of their presence, demonstrated by Barry Fell and many others.

How do you suppose the Canaanites sailed to the Americas, and to Australia, and to all the other locations where their presence has been noted, if not with the ability to measure their location anywhere on earth by the stars?

I look forward to your comments about the precession numbers in my finding, and in the ancient legends, architectures, and in, not coincidently, our modern mapping and timekeeping system.

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ashley,

Perthshire 22/08/2006 00:22:11

Please excuse the spelling error, Microsoft spell checker does not like the word precession.

This has very little to with the content in the Rosslyn Matrix, so rather than wasting any more valuable time, can I suggest you read the following paper entitled:Minds in Ablation: Charting Imaginary Worlds:Pole Shifts, Ice Sheets, and Ancient Sea Kings: A Digression that Simply Got Out of Hand.'

If you find any inaccuracies, I would like you to point them out.

http://www.pibburns.com/smmia5.htm

Do these following reviews refer to the Barry Fell that you refer to?

The NEW YORK TIMES BOOK REVIEW (13 March 1977) described AMERICA B. C. as rubbish. Fell's outraged followers leaped into the fray and accused the reviewer of ignoring the hard facts that support such notions... in purely general terms, the facts do deny Fell's reasoning.

--Nigel Davies, VOYAGERS TO THE NEW WORLD (1979), 153 Glyn Daniel, Disney professor of archaeology at the University of Cambridge, in reviewing Fell's book, along with Ivan Van Sertima's... Fell and Van Sertima do not seem to have read, or at least digested... books, fundamental to their work. indeed they write with an abysmal ignorance of the prehistory of Europe and Africa, which I would have found unacceptable among third year undergraduates I had taught in Cambridge, England.
--Felicia Antonelli Holton, "Celts in New England... in 800 B. C.?" EARLY MAN, MAGAZINE OF MODERN ARCHAEOLOGY (Spring 1980), 13

In the New York Times, the great Cambridge archaeologist, Glyn Daniel eviscerated Fell's book as "ignorant rubbish" and dubbed him a "deluded scholar." Other terms used were "self-deluded", "cranks", "fuddy-duddies", whose works are "nonsensical", "fantasy", "archaeological fiction."
--Peter Gorner, CHICAGO TRIBUNE (May 22, 1980)

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 22/08/2006 00:28:07

Ashley, did you ever wonder:

Why was the number 1,760 of units (yards) selected to compose a statute mile?

Why they decided to have 880 units (yards) and 440 units (yards) for the lengths of running events?

Why the circumference of the earth is 21,600 nautical miles (43,200 Great Pyramid base-perimeter lengths)?

Why there are 86,400 (43,200 x 2) seconds in a day?

You can put it together as you study article #2.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 22/08/2006 00:41:14

I don't support Hapgood's theory of crustal displacement, or pole-shifts of his proposed timing.

The "Diffusion Theory" pioneered by Fell, and picked up by many others, such as www.Equinox-Project.com, has received many favorable reviews since then, as the evidence continues to role in supporting the Diffusion Theory, so you'll just have to deal with that, as you google Phoenicians in America, or Phoenicians in Australia, or Canaanites in Britain, or ancient transoceanic navigating, or other similar cues.

I look forward to your promised answers to my questions in post #46.

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Timo,

22/08/2006 02:34:59

Ashley

Actually a very distinctively and uniquely masonic carving exists in Rosslyn Chapel, That of the apprentice mason, kneeling, complete with cable tow around the neck. I find this one difficult to to explain otherwise. Yes of course there is overlap in symbolism, but when a unified theory includes such symbols, in the appropriate places, the symbols tend to support the theory. The "high voltage tower" carving does not disprove the masonic/templar theory of the origin of the chapel, rather it supports it.

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IceAgeCivilizations,

Houston, Texas 22/08/2006 02:51:12

It should read "Diffusionist Theory."

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ashley,

Perthshire 22/08/2006 09:27:32

Hello Timo.

This is not a 'unique Masonic carving' as you suggest. In fact - the use of a cable tow doesn't appear in a single Masonic ritual until the mid 18th century. So, what could this carving represent, if it has nothing do with Freemasonry.

Rosslyn is dedicated to St Matthew and many, if not most of the carvings illustrate concepts from this biblical book. In Matthew 14: 1-14, he states: "the blind lead the blind". This was a popular phrase in medieval Europe and accounts for all the elements in the carving.

This supports the theory that Rosslyn is no more than a church, and no Masonic carvings exist.

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Crichton E M Miller,

Rugby England 22/08/2006 11:33:57

Ashley

Sorry about the tardy reply however, we both it seems have day jobs

In post 42 I said:

"Polaris was circling the pole at 12.5 degrees from its present position"

In post 43 You said:

"Check the accuracy of your statement about Polaris, I was under the impression in was about 3.5 - degrees out at the time of Columbus not 12, I could be wrong, but I don't think so."

As we discussed earlier precession moves the vernal equinox at a rate of 1 degree every 72 years
When you spoke about the Vikings in the 12th Century navigating using latitude you create a time distance related to the migrating celestial pole.
This date was what I was referring to and not Columbus
According to Newton the celestial pole describes an arc of 46.8 degrees every 25920 years
This arc creates a circle of 360 degrees around the ecliptic pole caused by the slow wobble of the earths axis.
We then resolve the problem by subtracting the two dates to find the years elapsed
2006 AD - 1106AD = 900 years
900 years divide by 72 years = 12.5 degrees
Therefore, my statement that "Polaris was circling the pole at 12.5 degrees from its present position",
would appear to be essentially correct.
This now presents a problem for the ancient navigators in accurately finding latitude using a non existent pole star.
An error of 1 degree of arc from the celectial pole = 60 nautical miles or 60 arc minutes on a great circle, does it not?
There must therefore be an alternative method
The effect of precession was often ill considered in most theories and archaeology, I know because I failed to consider it fully in my early work as well.
My explanations at www.crichtonmiller.com I feel go a long way to try to redress my failures and explain these issues for all serious reseachers

Yours

Crichton