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Princes Street needs to move out of the 60s if it's to survive



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Listing the best of a bad bunch will just delay revamp, says Shirley-Anne Somerville.
PRINCES Street is unique. Other European cities might have castles, parks and shops but nowhere are the three brought together in such a dramatic setting. It has attracted visitors to our capital for years and rightly makes Edinburgh residents proud
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But I don't think anyone can deny that our premier street has seen better days. It's been something that has happened slowly, with longstanding businesses moving out and being replaced by amusement arcades and shops blaring out tinny pipe music.

Fortunately the council is now getting to grips with the issue. The "String of Pearls" plan will see the street revived. It will take major investment and many years but there is no denying that it is long overdue.

So it's disappointing to see a public agency putting this vision under threat. Historic Scotland has floated the idea that the Princes Street Bhs store be considered for listed building status. If successful it would join the likes of Edinburgh Castle, the Scott Monument and swathes of the Old and New Town.

Such a decision has significant implications. It will make it more difficult for a developer to demolish or refurbish the building. It will push up the costs of any redevelopment. It will put investors off getting involved in that section of the street and for what? So we can keep an example of a failed 1960s vision.

The council and Scottish Government are already forking out more money to refurbish the Commonwealth Pool than it would have cost to demolish it and start again. Why? Because it's a listed building. Coincidentally, the pool was designed by the architects behind the Bhs building, RMJM – the same people that worked on the Scottish Parliament.

At the same time, Historic Scotland has backed the demolition of other listed buildings as part of the controversial Caltongate development. It's reasoning – Edinburgh has similar buildings designed by the same Victorian architects. Thank goodness we only have one castle if that's their defence of our built heritage.

But this is not an argument about traditional architecture good, modern architecture bad. Although tourists flock to our city to admire the history they also want to experience a vibrant and modern Edinburgh. I just don't think that folk are flocking here to see the Bhs building.

My stance will be unpopular with those who view Bhs as one of the best examples of a 1960s building on Princes Street. That may be so, but that's not a reason to hold up the redevelopment of our premier shopping street.

There were many architectural mistakes made in the 60s, from tearing down tenements to demolishing large sections of Princes Street. Let's not compound those errors by hanging on to unwanted buildings just because they are the best of a bad bunch.

Shirley-Anne Somerville is a Lothians MSP





The full article contains 497 words and appears in Edinburgh Evening News newspaper.
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1

Arfur,

09/06/2008 11:25:48
The BHS building is an absolute eyesore. Most of Princes Street needs to be ripped down and re-built. The whole street should look like Jenners in fact.
2

JayDeeTee,

09/06/2008 11:54:18
Many eyesores on Princes Street. Pity they couldn't move in some of the Georgian Architecture from around the corner.
3

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 12:11:32
There was nothing wrong with Princes Street until Lazarowicz and Begg got their hands on it.
4

Bertie The Bat,

09/06/2008 12:13:07
Let the train take the strain.
5

eric,

lothian 09/06/2008 12:19:16
I agree.my family and freinds have been shopping through in Glasgow for 30yr,i dont see that changing,just today viv westwood announced shes opening up in GLASGOW.just days after another designer shop moves to glasgow.
6

livilion,

livingston 09/06/2008 12:23:09
If the cooncil get their way then Princes Street will be just antique shops, solicitors' offices and trendy wine bars.
Ordinary shoppers only lower the tone, and heaven forbid they should want to carry their shopping home by car.
7

Walter S,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 12:26:54
Kill two birds with one stone.......knock down the B.H.S. Building and abolish Historic Scotland at the same time.

We'll all be the better of that!
8

Scallywag,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 12:28:48
Eric

Princes Street does need a shake up but Viv Westwood!! - what a coup. A whole pile of over priced cack that the daft weegies will lap up.

£75 pound for nonesense like this.
http://www.viviennewestwoodonline.co.uk/acatalog/TITS_T-SHIRT_WHITE.html
You are welcome to it.
9

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09/06/2008 12:52:29
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10

Tomsk,

09/06/2008 13:11:14
# 5

"Friends"!

C'mon, Eck. Now we know you're lying.
11

11+failed,

the pans 09/06/2008 13:41:53
With the bye-pass I never see Princes Street on my way to shop in Glasgow!
12

Jamie Dunne,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 14:18:17
Shirley, Edinburgh Castle is not a listed building, it is a scheduled national monument. The latter category have nothing to do with Historic Scotland. Just FYI.

It would be nice if the whole street could look like Jenners and the old Forsyth's building, but it might be worth keeping an example of the 60s since we have it. In the future people might appreciate that era a little bit more. Remember, everybody thought the Houses of Parliament at Westminster were ugly when they were built.
13

1745,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 15:46:59
As with many of the "New" buildings in Princes Street the Bhs building is nothing short of an eyesore. Listed yes! for DEMOLITION.Don't let Ramjams near any new builds.
14

Jock Stewart,

Dalgety Bay, Fife 09/06/2008 15:58:08
Princes' St is a nightmare for shopping. The pavements are too narrow, the buses and cars make it noisy and unpleasant to traverse and the range of shops is pathetic. The last time I is was in BHS there was the distinct smell of raw sewage downstairs.

As we tried to cross the junction at Hanover St there were about two hundred people waiting for the lights to change while two cars and a solitary bus crossed.

By comparison Rose St is fun and pleasant to walk along, but without the nice shop fronts. Princes' St needs to be pedestrianised with the removal of all vehicles, this would make it an attractive proposition with the option to relax in the gardens. At the moment it is a mess of heavy vehicles and poorly thought out pedestrian crossings.

I'm not particularly sympatheic to the shops as they were the main opposition to the changes proposed to reduce traffic - they have reaped the rewards of their short sightedness.
15

Hmm?,

09/06/2008 16:45:03
>>14

"As we tried to cross the junction at Hanover St there were about two hundred people waiting for the lights to change while two cars and a solitary bus crossed."

Did you have to wait five mintues for the lights to change? Och you poor wee scone you.

Personally, I've never had much difficulty in going along Princes Street. Perhaps coming from Dalgety Bay, you're just not used to there being more than two people at a junction at anyone time...
16

Hamish B,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 16:55:08
Everyone is fed-up of hearing vision after vision,plan after plan. What we need is a firm date as to when things will be developed!!.We are all sick of the talk and no action attitude. Most of the buildings on Princes St are an eyesore so demolish them, build some consistent georgian style buildings and we will all be happy. Another way to improve the shops is the limit the number of outlets a company can have on the street!we have 3x boots,2x phones 4 u,2x t mobile,2x gap,2x h and m, 3 x carphonewarehouse and many many more doublers!! all on Princes St. Limit these companies to only having one outlet and we will get the quality right!!
17

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/06/2008 17:15:42
I have not seen Princes Street in some time but reading the postings it would seem that it is either decrepit or falling apart or falling down or awash in sewage or something.

Will there be a restoration or remodelling sometime in our lifetimes if the various councils and plannig authorities and government agencies get their fingers in THAT pie?

I know I am piling on metaphors but "too many cooks spoil the broth".

For the sake of that historic street and the reputation of Edinburgh I do hope something feasible is worked out in a timely manner. Am I asking the impossible?
18

Jingsitsme,

EDINBURGH 09/06/2008 17:19:43
Ive just been along Princess Street and up the high street and disgusted at some of the shops. The arcade shopss around town are horrid but the tat shops blaring scottish music and selling goods that are no more scottish made than flying air are disgusting. They are purporting to be 'Scottish Heritage' The people inside know not of what that is. I walked into one and heard the guy (in one of the gold brothers shop) tell an American that Scottish Tartan was really made in Pakistan or India and not in Scotland!! What a darn cheek. So clean the city and get back to our scottish culture!!
19

Old Town Resident,

edinburgh 09/06/2008 17:37:25
see what they want to demolish to make way for some 21st century BHS buildings in the World Heritage Site

http://www.eh8.org.uk/what_will_be_lost
20

Fi,

09/06/2008 19:02:24
Dear Mr Bin-Laden,
I write with obvious regret that...
21

Graem3s,

edinburgh 09/06/2008 19:10:40
#14 - the pavements are too narrow??

SORRY?! they're massive!! they jus seem like they have no space due to bus stops every 5 meters, and what seems like endless scaffolding! infact, was it not only last week that another laod got thrown up at the Old Topshop site?

and, im sure along the west end, where there's 3 scottish shops blaring pipe music, it breaches some sort of noise pollution regulation.. in my opinion,

THE BEST EXAMPLES of shops in edinburgh is the ROYAL SOCIETY BUILDING on hanover street where Lakeland is, its tasteful and sets a tone with no tacky music or signage, however the modern H&M building is a fine example of GOOD modern architecture

oh, and #17, id say your comment is a bit... clichéd.
22

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 09/06/2008 21:35:01
21 Graem3s

I suppose you are correct. I was a tad tired from the weekend where the weather was +42 Celsius with humidex factor and perhaps "over-refreshed" from trying to escape from the heat and humidity.

I will endeavour to be more original next time and live up to your high standards.

You actually live in Edinburgh and would have more intimate knowledge of the "Princes' Problems" than I ever will - or would want to. I can only go by what I read here and other sources that sometimes have to be expected with more than "a grain of salt" - yet another cliche.
23

john z,

edinburgh 09/06/2008 21:35:53
The problem with princes street is simple, most cars are not allowed along it, but just about every bus in Scotland does.

The pavement has been widened a gret deal in my lifetime, and I even remember when they got the new lights installed (late 60s or 70s??).

The council say they want no cars to access it, but then they complain when people go to the gyle instead. Rightly or wrongly, people are lazy, and will always choose the easy option. restricting car access won't help the matter.

My suggestion is to put it back as was originally planned, open all the streets that have been narrowed or closed leading to princes street, and reduce the number of buses using princes street.

Open up St.Andrews square, and all associated streets (like Dublin street) along queen street, and remove ALL the extra nonsensical bits of concrete restrictions and pointless bollards that have been added over the last fifteen years.

There are some of us who can remember how well the traffic flowed before all the concrete obstructions got added to the streets of Edinburgh for no good reason.

Princes street will then once again become the place to be- and hopefully they can get rid of the tartan -esque junk shops too.
24

A. Puschkin,

Edinburgh 09/06/2008 21:43:38
Are we, the people of Edinburgh going to be allowed to have our say?

BHS is ghastly and what on earth Historic scotland are up to I cannot imagine - unless there is a hidden agenda! Council?? Architectural firms??

People remember and admire the original buildings that were in Princes Street and which were demolished - by the Council!! Princes Street was magical - superb - with its gardens and castle on the other side...THAT is what should replace all the ugly blots !

Interestingly great swathes of Berlin have been rebuilt as they were pre-bombing so why can't we replace the frontages of the Council ruined buildings???

LET the PEOPLE decide??

25

Parsley Flowers,

Edinburgh 10/06/2008 09:03:53
You can have as many Policies, Visions, and Masterplans as the Council like, but at the end of the day, the buildings on Princes Street are in numerous ownerships both horizontally and vertically and each and every bit of 'real estate' is owned by funds and individuals who really couldn't give damn about heritage or architectural merit, so long as the 'estate' makes a profit from rental income or increase in value - for the purposes of re-valuations so that they can be sold again to make more profit.

The 'plot' sizes are too small to attract major retailers, and site assemblage would test patience and gobble up time. It is much easier for any Property Developer to look to other Cities in the UK and Europe to make cash.

The City does not help by imposing huge Developers Contributions (corporate blackmail), a slow and tedious planning system, and putting to much emphasis on nimby views of the 'people' and its useless Councilors and Leaders.

Princes Street and the rest of the New Town for that matter was created in the first place by what we call today 'greedy' developers - to a fantastic masterplan and built by more or less slave labour for the rich merchants of Edinburgh - no one really gave a stuff for the poor living in the Old Town.

So - without tons of cash, and enough to buy out the whole of the Street, it is going to be mighty difficult to achieve much - but it would help if those who take the easy option saying 'no' to anything remotely creative, just took time to pause and think up something that would help and not hinder.

 

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