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Published Date: 19 December 2007
ONE of Scotland's most iconic tourist attractions has imposed a ban on photography – for health and safety reasons.
Rosslyn Chapel is to prevent visitors taking any photographs inside the building for fear they will injure themselves.

Officials say a growing number of people are tripping or falling while trying to take pictures of ornate carvings on the ceilin
g.

The ban, which is being imposed from January, has been ordered after a health and safety audit.

Part of the reason for the clampdown is said to be the number of cracked or uneven slabs inside the chapel.

Visitor numbers have soared since the building at Roslin, Midlothian, was featured in the best-selling Dan Brown novel The Da Vinci Code, and the subsequent Hollywood film. The climax of the story is set there.

Colin Glynne-Percy, the director of the Rosslyn Chapel Trust, said: "I would hope that people come to see the chapel, not just to video it, so I would expect visitor numbers to be unchanged. The problem is one we have had for a while, because the chapel is quite dimly lit and there are cracked and uneven slabs.

"When you then have a large group of people all wandering around looking at the little screens on digital cameras and not where they are going, it can lead to people tripping and stumbling.

"In the past we have used tape to cordon off some of the worst areas, but we took the decision to have a health and safety review carried out and on the basis of that, it was decided this would be the best course of action."

Owen Thompson, a local councillor, said: "It does seem perhaps a little extreme, and I think it will be a disappointment to a lot of visitors because there is so much interest within the chapel and a lot of people will want to take home their own pictures.

"I do not see it affecting visitor numbers though, as it is such an interesting and historic building."

The chapel, founded in the 15th century, is run by an independent trust, and Historic Scotland, the national heritage agency, has insisted it was not involved in discussions about the photography ban.

There are no restrictions on photography at any of its own attractions.

A spokesman said: "We cannot comment on decisions made for operational reasons at sites which are not ours.

"Historic Scotland, like every operator of visitor attractions, has to keep health and safety under constant review and takes whatever measures are necessary to ensure people's safety."

A spokeswoman for VisitScotland said: "Issues relating to health and safety are an operational matter for the Rosslyn Chapel Trust but we are sure that visitors will be understanding of changes made for good reasons.

"Rosslyn Chapel is a spectacular and fascinating building set in beautiful surroundings and we are confident that it will remain one of the Lothians' most popular attractions."

LAST RESTING PLACE OF RELIGIOUS TREASURES?

FOUNDED in 1446 by Sir William of St Clair, the third and last St Clair Prince of Orkney, Rossyln chapel is said by some writers to have been used by the Knights Templar as a hiding place for dozens of holy relics taken from Jerusalem.

Its deep, sand-filled vaults reputedly contain early gospels, the Ark of the Covenant and even the mummified head of Christ.

Last year, 120,000 people visited the chapel, up from just 30,000 in 2000. This followed the 2003 publication of The Da Vinci Code, by Dan Brown, which has sold more than 30 million copies. Brown's book and others have theorised that the chapel and its elaborate carvings held hidden treasures.

Director Ron Howard and stars Tom Hanks and Audrey Tatou, spent several days at the chapel filming the movie two years ago.

Publicity around The Da Vinci Code is said to have triggered a new wave of interest in shooting major films in Scotland.



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  • Last Updated: 18 December 2007 9:30 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Rosslyn Chapel
 
1

Gina Gibson,

Wales 19/12/2007 00:05:57
What an utterly ridiculous decision to make!!

What's next....banning people from looking at the ceiling in case they trip on the uneven floor??
2

scot yank,

fair haven 19/12/2007 01:15:45
we spent several hours enjoying and photographing the chapel, and without injury i must add. people trip and fall at historic sites all over the world. with this mentality skiing will be banned because of too many broken bones
3

JimC,

Kilmarnock 19/12/2007 01:57:00
Bet they will be selling their own photos next year.
4

Guga II,

Rockall 19/12/2007 01:58:57
Another instance of jobsworths getting carried away with themselves, and their imagined self-importance.

As #1 stated, what next, ban people from looking at the ceiling in case they trip and fall?

It is more likely that, as pointed out by #2, due to the fact that they sell photographs of the inside of the chapel in their gift shop, at highly inflated prices.

What's the next move by the wee Stalinists and totalitarians? Will they be banning people from taking photographs at airshows in case people trip and fall? Will they ban them at Edinburgh castle, or similar, in case they lose their balance and fall over the edge?

Numpties of the world unit, ban everything!!!!
5

Peter Cherbi,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 02:33:44
What a nonsense, next they will be banning photos of MSPs on H&S grounds for fear of revealing undeclared houses (& more) on the side ...
6

Jock's Away,

Africa 19/12/2007 06:05:47
Historic Scotland and Visit Scotland spend a great deal of time selling ruins which under strict health and Safety, should require Hard Hats, Goggles and Safety Boots.Now they can not comment on the Rosslyn ban. Do these self interest mental midgets take the Scottish and international visitors for fools? Experienced tourist which most are, will see this for what it is, a scam to increase revenue at the over priced "Gift" shop. Get the punters in and milk them. Maybe Trump would be interested in an old pile at Rosslyn as a nineteenth hole. Scotland don't eat the chicken that lays the golden egg.
7

Tommy Trout,

Alicate, Spain 19/12/2007 06:10:39
I guess that will put paid to tourists taking photos in Edinburgh considering the state of the pavements there!
8

DonaldK,

Brussels 19/12/2007 07:31:13
This is another in a long line of stories about UK Health and Safety plonkers imposing restrictions on what people are allowed to do - all they are doing is taking away any responsibility people have for their own behaviour. This feeling spreads like a cancer throughout the whole country until people blame somebody else for anything bad that happens and expect some 'compo'. Why can't they just have a big sign outside saying 'Dangerous building - enter at your own risk - we accept no responsibility for any injuries you may have whilst inside'??? And if UK/ European laws don't accept that as being sufficient, change the laws so that it is!
9

john z,

edinburgh 19/12/2007 07:38:59
Nothing to do with 'concerns' for visitor safety, and everything to do with GREED. I'd recommend viitors to scotland to miss out roslyn, as otherwise the next time you visit, you won't be allowed to photograph anything.

Please help us scots stop this nonsense.
10

Iain's,

19/12/2007 08:07:06
Historic Scotland are just another quango that steals from tourists.
Remember when we could walk aroun Edinburgh Castle for free?

As for VisitScotland a spokesman said: "Rosslyn Chapel is a spectacular and fascinating building set in beautiful surroundings."

Oh aye! Turn left after IKEA, near where the scrap yard used to be! Beautiful surroundings? Huh!
Probably only seen it on the movie!
11

Unimpressed one,

19/12/2007 08:42:20
Ever tried taking photos of the crown jewels in Edinburgh castle? A squadie will approach you and ask you to desist immediately. Another case of jobworth.
12

Explorer,

longniddry 19/12/2007 08:44:48
While the new ban on photography may not please some of the visitors to the Chapel, having visited the Chapel recently on numerous occasions while researching my new book 'Rosslyn Chapel Revealed' (Sutton Publishing Ltd., Nov 2007) I see the ban as a prudent safety measure that had to be taken to preserve the integrity of the building and protect visitors. However, photography has had an important part to play in the story of the Chapel, not only in creating dazzling images but in recording the considerable changes that were made in the 1860s when the stonework of the great East Window was removed to be replaced by a totally different design so as to accommodate the new stained glass. Below are some short passages taken from my book that show how important sunlight was in the Chapel, beginning with Sir Daniel Wilson, Sir Walter Scott, Robert Billings, John Slezer and culminating with the work of the Edinburgh-based photographers, Hill and Adamson.


There is a venerable literary tradition that when a member of the St Clair family dies, a curious phenomenon takes place in Rosslyn Chapel — the outside of the building seems to be on fire. This may be a characteristic of the red freestone used in its construction. Heat affects the luminosity of stone and so, the red Rosslyn freestone, much of it already stained by rust from the nodules of iron oxide which the freestone so liberally contains, would tend to glow in sunshine, whether early in the morning or late at night, in summer and in winter.

Hence, the lines of the archaeologist and academic, Sir Daniel Wilson (1816-92) taken from his poem ‘The Queen’s Choir’ (1853), with their Biblical comparisons, may not be completely the product of poetic licence:



Roslin chapel, tipped with living fire

Seen through the foliage, seemed like that divine

Vision, when Horeb desert’s leafy shrine

Was with the visible gaze of God illumed

And the bush burned with fire.[i]



In his ‘The Lay of the Last M
13

Sinnerman,

Another Planet 19/12/2007 09:02:42
What would the Rosslyn Chapel Trust do if I was to go into the Chapel, conduct my own Health & Safety assessment, and then take photographs? Of course using a digital camera so that I can load the images onto my computer.
14

Selgovae,

#15 Explorer 19/12/2007 09:53:47
Are you seeking editorial comment or just promoting the book?

I suggest you drop "venerable", and perhaps "so liberally" too. And the "their" before Biblical is seperated from its antecedent by two clauses. It could confuse. I suggest you tighten it up. Otherwise, a good effort.
15

Andrah,

Embrah 19/12/2007 10:01:35
This has not got a lot to do with health and safety which is all about taking sensible and reasonable measures to manage risk. It is the sort of "cop out" you see where poor quality local management do not have the required competence to manage risk effectively. In this case it would have been more honest to admit that the principal aim is to stop photography taking place, and perhaps also avoid liability claims.
During the Festival I noted scores of visitors wandering around on the cobbles of the Lawnmarket with mobile phones raised taking photographs our beautiful city but no one suggested banning them --- at least not on health and safety grounds!!
16

Alternative (High Octane) Fuel Head,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 10:53:24
Here we have yet another example of rules being imposed to protect the majority from the daft actions of the stupid minority.

How did the country get into the state where things like this are allowed to happen?

Come the summer, I'm going to get on my motorbike, ride to Roslyn, go into the building, produce my camera and start taking pictures. Let them try to stop me. Anyone who wants to join me is quite welcome.
17

Kobi.,

19/12/2007 12:31:54
I suggest that rather than banning photography they ban idiots who can't stand up straight for more than a few minutes before tripping over their own big feet.
18

IanW,

Ottobrunn 19/12/2007 13:30:58
Just an observation. The headlines states "Health and safety bans visitors from taking photos at Rosslyn". However in the text it presents it as being a decision of Rosslyn Chapel.

Surely this is a case of sloppy headilne grabbing journalism. The term Health & Safety is used by most to mean the Health & Safety Executive which has a mandate to ensure what its name implies.

By using sloppy journalism isn't the H&S Executive's name being used inappropriately. Could they sue over this?

Anyone have any thoughts?
19

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada 19/12/2007 15:13:40
#25-TGMA

If you come back as a tree, may I have your permission to allow my dogs to pee on your feet (trunk)?

Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©
20

Alexander the Scot,

Michgan U.S.A. 19/12/2007 16:27:45
17-Selgovae


Is that seperated, or separated?
Not being perfect myself, I'm merely wondering.
21

Selgovae,

Scottish Borders 19/12/2007 17:11:56
#22

"Is that seperated, or separated?"

Its "a rat" of a word all right.
22

Pilrig,

Livingston 19/12/2007 17:33:31
Such a shame. I suppose DVC mania has been good for the Chapel's preservation costs, but I count myself lucky that back in the 70s and 80s me and the wife had the place to ourselves in quite a few visits. And of course we also had access to Rosslyn Castle in these days.
23

Pilrig,

Livingston 19/12/2007 17:37:55
12 you're confusing Roslin with Bilston.
24

3 bears,

19/12/2007 19:42:17
The chapel has loads of seats in it,asking visitors to use photographic equipment only whilst seated for health and safety reasons would have been a satisfactory risk assessment.
25

brian grassmarket,

edinburgh 19/12/2007 20:10:33
The only person who agreed with the photography being barred is the man who is releasing a book (Photos included?)Any organisation requiring photographs of the chapel to use for business purposes needs permission and has to pay. Mr. Glynn-Percy has recently toured various tourist attractions to see how his peers work as he has no experience in this kind of visitor attraction. I believe his last job was in charge of the gyle.Many visitor attractions ban photography in case the flash damages any valuable items, Rosslyn is stone. The Crown jewels ban photography for security reasons, makes sense. No.24 is correct. This has not been banned by the Health and Safety these words have just been used by a "new broom" This decision has been made by Rosslyn and Rosslyn alone. Financial definitely. A bit rushed probably and maybe even a wee bit of "I'll decide" The Chapel nis very very photogenic an deserves to be enjoyed by all and one of the geat things to do is to take home a memory, your memory. Your own memory is supplied by your eye, only a camera can let you keep that memory. If you want to make money in the shop start selling camera batteries and memory cards
26

Brian Saberton,

Wishaw 19/12/2007 20:53:18
As a keen amateur photographer I read this item in The Scotsman with total disbelief and mounting anger. It seems to me to be an absurd proposition that photographers are any more likely to trip over cracked paving stones than people without cameras. Has the trust done a risk assessment on visitors in general? Why should photographers in particular be singled out here? Is this yet another example of the nanny state mentality being taken to a ridiculous extreme? Interestingly there is no indication (in the article at least)of any actual incidents where photographers have fallen over.
27

Explorer,

longniddry 19/12/2007 20:59:45
Whatever way you look at it, whatever angle you aim the camera lens, Rosslyn Chapel catches the eye, even in its 'venerable' old age. In his ‘The Lay of the Last Minstrel’ (1805) Sir Walter Scott wrote that ‘Seemed all on fire that Chapel proud’. This tradition was well known to Scott as he had lived only three miles away at Lasswade and would often have seen the Chapel for himself and heard of its history.
Robert W. Billings, in his large (54 cms high) folio four-volume The Baronial and Ecclesiastical Antiquities of Scotland (1845) has the most vivid and personal description of the phenomenon:
It happened to the present writer, one clear evening, to be walking in the neighbourhood of Rosslyn, when he was startled from thinking of other things by the appearance, through the branches of the trees, of what seemed a row of bright-red smokeless furnaces. It was a fine setting sun shining straight through the double windows of the chapel; while otherwise, from the particular point of view, its influence on the horizon was scarcely perceptible. The phenomenon had a powerful effect on the vision; but it was more that of ignition than of sunlight, from the rich red which often attends Scottish sunsets. Though the setting sun doubtless pierces through many other double ranges of windows, yet perhaps there were few which, a couple of centuries ago in Scotland, could have rendered it with the same remarkable effect. It may be observed that the position of the building is the most appropriate that could be chosen, had the builder desired to produce that effect.[iii]
One of the most popular images of the Chapel was produced by John Slezer (d 1714). Born in a German-speaking part of the Low Countries, John Abraham Slezer or (as he signed himself, Sletzer) was a gunner, draughtsman and engraver who had made his home in Scotland by 1669. Having trained as an ordnance engineer, Slezer’s successful topographical illustration work led to his becoming a burgess of Dundee in 1678. Te
28

Brian Saberton,

Wishaw 19/12/2007 21:05:58
As a keen amateur photographer I read the report on the banning of photography at Rosslyn Chapel with astonishment and mounting anger.

I can't understand why photographers would be any more likely to trip over cracked paving slabs than any other visitor to the Chapel. Was a risk assessment carried out on all visitors? Why should photographers in particular be singled out? Is this yet another example of the nanny state mentality taken to extremes?
29

Explorer,

longniddry 19/12/2007 21:08:21
Visually speaking, John Slezer put Rosslyn Chapel on the map. In the 1880s he was active as captain of artillery for the Scottish Parliament. Slezer published ‘Theatrum Scotiae’ in 1693 — a large format book of engraved views of Scottish cities and historic buildings, with texts originally written by the Geographer Royal, Sir Robert Sibbald, but, much to Sibbald’s annoyance, his text (after being signed off by himself and Slezer) was considerably altered and expanded by Slezer, without Sibbald’s knowledge or permission.
One of the views in the book is of Rosslyn Chapel in which Slezer’s expanded description refers to what he calls the ‘Prince’s Pillar.’ Slezer, with his military background, was nothing if not organised. As was the case with most of his topographical assignments, Slezer would have come to Rosslyn with a portable reflecting camera obscura which he then set up on the (then) more open south side of the Chapel, at a date when the present stone wall and fence had not yet been constructed). Sitting in the virtually total darkness of a small canvas tent, Slezer was able to project an image of the Chapel onto his drawing board and then trace around the outline.[i] His published engraving is, however, a little misleading, as it shows Rosslyn Chapel (quite inaccurately) standing alone in the middle of a picturesque and widespread wasteland and also omits any sign of the Crypt.
Images taken of Rosslyn Chapel by the photographic pioneers David Octavius Hill (1802-70) and Robert Adamson (1821-48) in the mid-1840s quite clearly show the extent of the window glazing, which only covered the lower, rectangular lights of the Chapel groundfloor windows; the great east window had its muscular stonework but no glass. The intricate medieval stonework was replaced when the new stained glass was added in the 1860s.The web reference for the Hill and Adamson 'sun-pictures' at Glasgow University is below.
http://special.lib.gla.ac.uk/hillandadamson/search/detail.cfm?Haa_G
30

Dr. James Wilkie,

Vienna 19/12/2007 21:45:11
i have photos of my then 12-year-old son sitting in the cockpit of that Seahawk naval fighter at the Museum of Flight at East Linton. The last time I was there I was told that sitting in the cockpit has now been banned by the H & S inspectorate. There was some talk of radiation, but the aforesaid son and heir is now a university academic and still doesn't glow in the dark.

31

is it me?,

Edinburgh 19/12/2007 21:51:14
Explorer
Oh please stop it.
You're giving me a pseud pstiffy.
32

BMCG,

20/12/2007 01:20:52
#6 - I must admit I did enjoy your rant; I take it you thought the decision was abad idea?

 

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