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Bagpipes a threat to the environment (and we're not talking noise pollution)



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Published Date:
02 December 2007
THEY were once outlawed for being used as seditious weapons of war. Now, bagpipes have been blasted as an environmental menace.
Over-intensive logging means that the African wood used to make Scotland's national instrument faces being wiped out.

Conservation groups are letting out skirls of protest, urging musicians and instrument manufacturers to make sure their pipes co
me from eco-friendly sources.

As part of the campaign, Scots are being asked to fund the planting of "bagpipe trees" in a bid to atone for the environmental damage.

Traditionally the chanter on the bottom of Highland pipes, which is used to create the melody, was made from native woods such as bog oak.

But Scottish mariners who travelled to Africa in the 18th century returned with supplies of African Blackwood, which proved to be far more resilient and produced a sweeter sound.

Since then the species, known as Mpingo in Swahili, has been a staple component of most quality pipes.

Conservation group Fauna & Flora International (FFI) said urgent action is needed to prevent the species being lost.

"With its beauty, fine grain, durable structure and natural oils no other wood looks - or sounds - the same as African Blackwood," said its campaign co-ordinator Georgina Magin.

"But it has been heavily exploited for woodwind instruments like bagpipes and stocks are now seriously depleted.

"If woodlands and the valuable timbers they contain are managed unsustainably, species such as African Blackwood will become extinct.

"Already in northern Tanzania, where unsustainable logging occurs, Blackwood and other species are threatened with commercial extinction.

"This is a pivotal time for Blackwood, and musicians can play a crucial role in ensuring this unique timber remains available long into the future."

It is believed that as much as 70% of Blackwood trees in Tanzania have already been felled.

The African-based Mpingo Conservation Project (MCP) is working with Tanzanian residents to create, own and manage sustainable supplies of the timber.

"When managed in this way communities, who previously received a pittance, can earn one hundred times more per log of Blackwood harvested from the forest," said spokesman Andrew Gordon-Maclean.

"In this way, Blackwood, which is one of the most valuable hardwoods in the world, could provide an economic incentive to local people to protect and sustainably manage their neighbouring forests. The increased revenue will make a significant difference to rural livelihoods and help alleviate extreme poverty in some of the poorest communities in East Africa."

The MCP and FFI are hopeful that by 2009 sustainably certified Blackwood will be on the market.

"This will mean that musicians will be in no doubt that the wood in the instrument they are buying has been legally felled and a fair price has been paid to its local custodians," said Gordon-Maclean. "We would urge concerned pipers to demand their suppliers explain where they source their Blackwood so it is not at the expense of poor African farmers and the global environment."

In the meantime, people have been flocking to help reforest parts of Tanzania.

Ethical present firm Good Gifts is urging people to plant bagpipe trees.

It is pledging to plant 21 Blackwood saplings for £15, 50 for £35 and 60 for £42.

Spokeswoman Kirsty Thomson said: "The response so far - particularly from Scotland - has been incredible.

"The gift of bagpipe trees is becoming an unlikely best-seller this Christmas.

"It is helping to rebuild forests, conserve water, reduce soil erosion, generate income and keep musicians skirling."

But pipe major and manufacturer David MacMurchie, who uses Blackwood, was less than impressed by the campaign.

"I for one am not going be made to feel guilty by a bunch of misguided environmental do-gooders," he said. "I am sure that the communities in Africa use a hell of a lot more Blackwood than bagpipe manufacturers.

"It is unfair and misleading to try to blame it all on us."

MacMurchie, a former member of the band of the Royal Scots Dragoon Guards, said he was happy to make pipes from plastic, but said the overwhelming public demand was for traditional wooden instruments.

Other alternative woods, such as ebony, are vulnerable to splitting and, in some areas, are themselves under threat.

Most pipe manufacturers believe that no other wood has the same durability and resonance as the Blackwood. The African tree takes 80 years to reach just 40cm in height.

The pipes were outlawed as an "instrument of war" after the Hanoverian forces crushed the Jacobites at Culloden in 1746.

A SC
OTTISH SYMBOL INVENTED ABROAD
Th
e origins of the bagpipes are lost in the mists of time with both China and the Middle East staking claims. But what is certain is that the instrument that is synonymous with Scotland originated far outside our shores.

The oldest references to it appear in Alexandria, Egypt, in about 100BC. The instrument is believed have travelled west through Europe and both Roman and Greek writings mention it in about AD100. Pictish carvings from the eighth century confirm the pipes, which were probably made of sheep or goat skin, took hold in Scotland. They became increasingly popular and Robert the Bruce's troops were stirred by the tune Hey Tutti Taiti as they marched to battle at Bannockburn. The tune was later revived by Robert Burns' Scots Wa' Hae.

The British army later recognised that the skirl of the pipes was a formidable way of motivating troops, and bagpipers led the charge in conflicts from the Crimea to the Second World War.

Shakespeare also mentions the pipes in The Merchant Of Venice.

The bagpipes were a key part of the feared Highland charge technique used by clansmen and following the defeat of the last Jacobite rebellion they were banned as an instrument of war.



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  • Last Updated: 01 December 2007 9:34 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
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1

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 02:22:25

"bagpipe trees", has this got to do with our, 'BW'? ;-)
He is always talking about his, 'Plantation'!
Time to 'own-up' BW and stop that annoying noise your 'LOML' is making in the background, trying out you new, "Bagpipes" ! :-D

2

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 02/12/2007 03:43:30

Hello All,

Just when I think the Environmental Whackos can't get any more whacko, they prove me wrong.

All this effort against the Sovereign right of Tanzanians and other East Africans to develop their natural resources, by a bunch of people doing the modern Leftist Version of Manifest Destiny.

Once again the 'superior' (HAH, what tripe!) elitists of the Caucasian Persuasion, are telling their 'little black brethren' what is 'really good' for them!!!

Racism at its most starkly nasty expedience.

I'd say for the E.Whackos to get lives, but they've nary a clue.

Cheers from the Rockies

3

C.U. Jimmy,

Ear Protectors On 02/12/2007 05:41:02

Bagpipes are best heard in the open air, preferably from a considerable distance.

We learn that 'African Blackwood... proved to be far more resilient [than native woods such as bog oak] and produced a sweeter sound.'

In that case, ban its use at once. I can live without sweeter sounds from distant bagpipes.

4

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Don't blame me, I didn't vote for any of them. 02/12/2007 06:26:30

M[ingo wood is used also for wood carvings. Plenty of samples on sale at Victoria Falls craft markets last month. It's not just bagpipes which threaten the tree.

5

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02/12/2007 08:16:00
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6

tomi,

02/12/2007 08:16:29

Enough to make one play a lament.

7

scottishcoffindodgerno1,

Edinburgh wants a Referendum on Trams 02/12/2007 08:55:18

mcmurchie,your a disgrace to the regiment,money grubber

8

An Australian,

02/12/2007 08:57:28

The sooner this dreadful instrument is banned, the better. It sounds awful.

9

erchie,

up the brae 02/12/2007 09:08:00

banning the pipes? And why not just bulldoze edinburgh castle and build a car park while your at it. theres nae better sound than the skirl o the pipes

10

Media 1,

cape town 02/12/2007 09:12:00

Green Bagpipes...hahahahahaha

We are slowly losing the plot as a species....lmao

11

diasporian,

Tokyo 02/12/2007 09:12:41

Can we have some facts and figures here?

How many chanters does one tree provide? How long does a chanter last? How many chanters are sold each year? How much does a Mpingo chanter cost? How much does a plastic one cost? How do you pronounce 'mpingo'? Could chanters be made out of Australians?

12

Boy Wonder,

02/12/2007 09:18:30

#1. Interesting idea Charles. You know I have carrot-trees. I never considered the wood to be used for anything other than just being a tree.

Thanks, Chuckles ... I will now consider this plan a threat to make to them, when any one of my trees decides not to grow my usual bumper crop.

Now pipe down and go see to your FYW munchies!!!

13

dieselted,

New Zealand 02/12/2007 09:22:56

After 2years in the Black Watch & getting put to bed with them & then wakend up by them you don't realy want to hear them again. Mind you i have seen more pipe bands & heard more pipes in NZ than i ever did in Scotland.

14

Haggis MacBagpipes,

Central Canada - ex Perth and Glesca' 02/12/2007 09:31:45

#8 - An Australian

Typical of an Ozzie...aw his taste is in his mooth!

Cheers,
Haggis MacBagpipes™©

15

Mallory,

02/12/2007 09:34:17

Not just the environment - the noisae is a threat to sanity.

16

terry osser,

london 02/12/2007 09:36:53

i hate bagpipes but the idea that they are causing significant environmental damage--other than noise--is complete bollox. perhaps if everyone had a proper job there might be less of this nonsense

17

Guga II,

Rockall 02/12/2007 09:48:36

Any of you tone deaf numpties that claim they don't like the pipes have probably only ever heard learners or very poor pipers playing them. Get hold of some experts playing piobaireachds, and then you can appreciate the purest, sweetest sounds made by man.

18

Yane,

Melbourne 02/12/2007 10:08:51

I like them played by ACDC — Long way to the shop if ya wan a sausage roll —

19

The Jannie,

Out there 02/12/2007 10:33:57

"it has been heavily exploited for woodwind instruments like bagpipes and stocks are now seriously depleted."

Ah, the old selective journalism again. If woodwind instruments are to blame, how many sets of pipes are made annually as against all the other orchestral instruments?

20

Jack English,

North Carolina, USA 02/12/2007 10:36:20

"Breathes there a man with soul so dead", after a trip back home to Scotland, I was astounded to see the paucity of trees! God, a thousand years ago, montrous Oaks were present all over Scotland. They were cut by the English and naive Scots for ship building! Replant, replant, ye sinners!

21

oder,

Scotland 02/12/2007 10:50:07

did anyone take into accout the the pipes where banned for years, only the pipes being picked on here, this sounds like a Mugabe plot "blame the British"

22

Black Five,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 10:50:39

Time they banned the infernal things anyway.You just neeto walk along Princes St and you`ll hear how bad they sound.

23

Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 10:52:17

12. Boy Wonder , Less of the "FYW", Ive told her what you said about her,
She said... WHAT A B****'Y CHEEK!!
Yad better watch oot, or you wont just have red cheeks, with playing your Pipes!
"A -SLAP-IN-THE-FACE-WITH-A-WET-FISH" come to mind?

24

The Man from the Isle,

Independent Democratic Republic Isle of Arran 02/12/2007 10:53:19

I prefer a concert with two or three Pipe Bands to cars, vans, lorries, busses, coaches, tractors etc (diesel or petrol) staying unused around for hours with running engines while the owners shop and chat. THIS is real pollution, waste, money destruction,and a incredible waste or the dwindling World ressources.

25

sandra3mac,

in Australia for the mo. 02/12/2007 11:01:16

No.8 An Australian,
your comments are ignorant.
The bagpipes are like the violin or similar instruments - when played well they sound beautiful but when played badly they sound terrible. It's they quality of the playing that makes the difference.

Just as well we don't make similar mistakes to you and reckon that all Australians are pathetic just because one obnoxious twit wants to be noticed in a Scottish newspaper posting and does so by making inane comments.

Well done no. 14, Haggis MacBagpipes - I couldn't agree with you more. Australia is the land that time and taste forgot.

26

Ghost Of Scotland Past,

02/12/2007 11:24:40

3)8)13)15)22) should all be removed as they are scurillous, racist, ignorant, and irrelevant attacks upon
Scottish ethnicity.
Such would not be tolerated if the were directed against
women, the disabled, blacks, or moslems. I demand that the Scosman ceases this discrimination against
it's own people.

27

Scotsman of Kent,

Scotsman of Kent 02/12/2007 11:26:18

"The African tree takes 80 years to reach just 40cm in height."

Wouldnae be a tree then, more like a small shrub. More like 4-7 metres.

MacMurchie is both right and wrong. Right in that bagpipes use a small amount of the wood harvested (it is used for many other woodwinds) and a lot is used by local communities. Wrong in that instruments require perfect wood with no holes, resulting in a 90% reject rate of milled wood. The rejected wood and its natural flaws are sometimes used by African craftsmen and toolmakers, along with the pieces that clearly weren't suitable.

#5 - read the article - Africans ARE doing something - they're not the backward ones here.

#19 - exactly, but that doesn't let MacMurchie off the hook.

#21 - Zimbabwe is not a major Mpingo exporter.

28

sergiesmax,

02/12/2007 11:46:30

I love the sound of the pipes,one of the best wind instruments i have heard.The pipes are part of our herritage and should remain so,what we need to do is ban austrailian idiots from wrighting such comments.

29

tassiestag,

tasmania 02/12/2007 12:08:08

im a scot.....been in australia over 50 years,the australians love the bagpipes..........this is just another english/westminster spin.......the sound o, the pipes still frightens the sh*** oot o, them.

30

cleaning the bathroom,

edinburgh 02/12/2007 12:28:07

what a lot of rubbish, oh! that's not environmentally safe either!!!

31

Mcsnagpile,

02/12/2007 12:33:59

Aye they are guid fur bringin a tear tae the een at a funeral.
Mind, all these chimneys cannae be guid fur the climate.
When Africa runs oot ae wid we can use bog oak (invest in bog oak).
If yae think listening tae them is bad trying playing them. Wettin yer reeds, lookin efter yer bag, an tunnen the drones al’ stick tae the drums….

32

H Scott,

02/12/2007 12:35:13

The success of St. Andrew's Day was obviously too much for Anglicised Scots on Sunday - what a pathetic article.

33

Larry Eubank,

U.S. (Indiana) 02/12/2007 12:41:52

How many people buy "quality pipes" each year -- in other words, how many pipers are there of such skill that they demand the best pipes? And how much wood does it take for each one?

It's ridiculous to think that bagpipe-manufacturing can be endangering a species!

34

oder,

Scotland 02/12/2007 12:45:02

28. DoctorAl,

NO it isn't! and I never implied that it was, suggest you read again! Africans have a habit, like Mugabe of blaming everything on the British ,try a little humor! its good for you.

35

SCOSHA,

Dorset 02/12/2007 12:57:22

For those who do not believe in the beauty of the bagpipe sound it is time they looked at the following site and be educated.
www.lindsaydavidson.co.uk
or in particular
http://www.lindsaydavidson.co.uk/philharmonic_bagpipes.htm

36

Comerscroft,

02/12/2007 13:13:19

Hellish noise, compounded by dirges such as 'Flower of Scotland' and other meaningless drivel.

37

Sile,

Still on Planet Earth that gets Madder by the Dae 02/12/2007 13:37:31

This most stirring sound I have ever heard was one hundred pipers as they marched behind the late Queen Mothers Funeral Parade, it had such an impression I don't remember any other bands who were there, it was astro, so for the knockers amongst you my message is you have a missed out...

And I am one of the hated Londoners....xx

38

Blackie,

Aberdonian abroad 02/12/2007 14:03:18

# 20, dina blame the English for oor trees going awa. The last of oor large forests were taken doon by Canadian lumberjacks during WW I. For the war effort, remember the war that you Yanks spent no more than six months on the front lines, and that's strethin it.

39

royal terrace 1980,

lincoln 02/12/2007 14:06:21

one of the most stirring sights and sounds i recall on film was approx one hundred pipers marching into 'Tobruck' with the 8th British Army.

40

Seattleite,

Seattle 02/12/2007 14:25:07

Tell your environmentalist to get a check on reality. In San Diego, CA a company is exploring what the termite stomach enzymes can digest. If this comes true then maybe our next source of alternative energy may be trees.

That will distract their attention away from trees grown for bagpipes. for awhile.

41

TimW1234,

Ottawa, Ontario 02/12/2007 14:26:21

jennifer

Very funny comment - I laughed MUCHLY.

Boy Wonder

Oh God, those "carrot-trees" again. Will we ever be rid of your referring to them? Do they actually exist or just a figment of your imagination or one of your more obscure "experiments" in your secret laboratory.

I really enjoy the interplay of ideas and insults between yourself and Charles Linskaill. They most times liven up some pretty dreary forums.

Charles Linskaill

I see by your comment @ 23 who wears the pants in your family - but isn't that always the case?

42

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02/12/2007 14:29:04
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43

Scottish AND British,

Edinburgh 02/12/2007 14:33:11

#22 - if all pipes were like those often played on Prince's Street, I'd agree with you. I am constantly amazed by how poorly the buskers play there.

44

Nìall,

Donostia, Euskal Herria 02/12/2007 14:45:49

#2: Neaderthal75
"All this effort against the Sovereign right of Tanzanians and other East Africans to develop their natural resources, by a bunch of people doing the modern Leftist Version of Manifest Destiny."

No, they're asking us to try to help them develop their resources instead of destroying them. Buying at current market prices is encouraging clear-felling of woodlands.

Clear-felling is cheap, which in classical economics implies efficiency, but we know to our cost that it's a false efficiency.

Environmental awareness interferes with development? So does minimum wage legislation, but I'd encourage all countries to have some of that.

At the same time, of course, we should be replanting our own native woodland. Contrary to popular belief the majority of the trees didn't die out due to climate change 2000 years ago -- most were cut down during the industrial age, as others have pointed out.

45

Harry Stottle,

Scotland 02/12/2007 14:56:22

Your correspondent should get his facts right-but then a trend of Scotland on Sunday and Scotsman journalists is to prefer the dramatic twist than the hard fact. It is certain that the pipes would not have been played at Bannockburn.
Neither were the pipes outlawed in Scotland. In fact the Government saw to it at the time that the best way to get rid of the Gaels was to have them leading the English Imperialist crusade around the world in their policy of ethnicide against the Gaels. [Pitt said it as well as well as General Wolfe] They recognised that the pipes were an important symbol to the Gaels in War and therefore they encouraged piping in the Military as a result. (as you referred to in passing..)They were successful. The Glens are now sparse and lacking in Gaels....
The percentage of total use for Bagpipe making is small in comparison to total consumption. But it is typical of the insecurity of the Scottish psyche and the deep inferiority complex of these jornalists that it is presented to us in this way. Shameful; and should only reflect on the intelligence of the journalist himself.

46

Whiskey,

02/12/2007 15:43:38

bagpipes are best listened to over a body of water.
The atlantic ocean is about right!!

47

livilion,

livingston 02/12/2007 15:47:36

What a piece of 'not very good journalism'!

The world is being swamped, with bagpipes destroying the forests of Africa is it?
Perhaps like the fishing industry there should be a quota system introduced?

Why not:
Pianos and other wooden instruments a threat to the environment (and we're not talking noise pollution)?

What are the carbon footprints of musical instruments, shouldn't we be considering a ban on all of these ?

Anything to make a headline, I'm surprised MARC HORNE hasn't managed to squeeze in a wee knock at the First Minister while he's at it.

So somebody cuts down a tree to use for musical instruments and nobody thinks to plant another to be available in future?

Who's fault is that, the forester or the instrument maker?

Get real Mr Horne.
eg Aren't newspaper printers also destroying the planet?

As for those wind up artists having a go at the sound of 'the pipes', you are in a small minority.
Just about every nation where British forces have ever served, and beyond, have their own version of Scottish pipe bands, such has been the impression they have carried with them.

Even last week in England we saw on the tv news the funeral procession of the firefighter killed with his colleagues in the big warehouse blaze was graced by two highland pipers.
Before that for example the memorial service for the victims of the World Trade Centre Twin Towers atrocity had pipers front and center, etc, etc, etc,...

48

Ceolmor,

Duncan, BC,Canada 02/12/2007 15:53:43

It is a pity that they didn't run out of blackwood years ago!

Then I would not have wasted my life trying to play the bloody things!

Would have left me more time to try and play golf!

49

Son-of-scotland,

lothians 02/12/2007 16:17:42

This article is a Joke. How many pipers you think scotland has? specially with blackwood pipes. ?

another attempt to kill scottish culture.

its not anti - English , its anti british. When you all gonna see that. The english should want nationalism as much as the scots.

and if you cant stand Pipes, then why do you live in Edinburgh?

Damm your Ignorance

50

Doc J,

Netherland Antilles 02/12/2007 16:27:05

Plant more trees. Make more pipes. Fill the air with our beloved music. Also, cane a hippy just for fun.

51

zigzag,

Canada 02/12/2007 16:35:33

Whoever came up with this lame brained proposal must be right off their tree. How many trees do you think were killed to make the enchanted chanters.

Bagpipes well played are a wonderful musical instrument...ever hear Amazing Grace played on a guitar, harmonica, piano or steel drums? Sounds awful doesn't it.

For goodness sake, come up with something just as good or better instead of knocking the bagpipes. It is so easy to throw stones...try picking them up for a change mister greenie man.

52

zigzag,

Canada 02/12/2007 16:38:10

Hey what do we do with all those Police and Military Pipe Band all around the world...use plastic chanters made in China?

Yea right...dream on

No more pipe band parades anymore? Not on you haggis in my life time.

53

Justa Thought,

USA 02/12/2007 16:49:37

Where do I send money to help with the bog oaks? It could be big bucks...

Doctor Al - the comment "wouldnae be a tree" was THE BEST!

I LOVE bagpipes!

54

dlady,

02/12/2007 16:51:42

I love the sound of bag pipes. I would take listening to them over the loud jet engine sounds blasting out of car stereos that plagues places everywhere in this day and age on a daily basis. Don't lose your heritage Scotland, invent, replant, whatever you need to do.

55

dethadol,

highlands 02/12/2007 16:52:08

Scottish bagpipes made from scottish oak:-

www.bagpipes.freeuk.com

56

Methspaña,

02/12/2007 16:52:44

8. An Australian / 8:57am 2 Dec 2007

" The sooner this dreadful instrument is banned, the better. It sounds awful."

Yea sure.... and yer didgeridoo rocks.

57

Mart on Skye,

02/12/2007 16:55:11

The philosophy of many environmental groups involves making people feel guilty about what they do however innocent the activity.

They have exhausted the major activities of mankind thanks to the global warming religion and are gradually working their way through the more obscure things we do.

I for one am glad that I have a blackwood set of pipes and that some family in Africa has had the benefit from my purchase.

58

JohnnyR,

New Zealand. 02/12/2007 17:01:38

#8. This from the country that has the Digeridoo.

59

cathro,

USA 02/12/2007 18:01:45

My Dad, followed 'the piper' in WWI - the sound pulled him through and saved his life. Bless the piper.

60

MattofAZ,

Arizona 02/12/2007 18:35:10

Here is my problem with enviro whackos, most of them dont believe in God and therefore why listen to me. Hear me out. If it is all "survival of the fittest" then there is no difference between destructive humans and swarms of locusts. Things go extinct, always have always will. If that is true and there is no afterlife, then why take up ANY cause. Why not just party? If there is a God, then He demands we take care of the earth. But people who don't believe in absolute truth have no business telling people which truth to live by. If we are just animals, then our discussions have no more meaning than dogs howling at the moon.

61

MattofAZ,

Arizona 02/12/2007 18:40:49

I like bagpipes, but only because I am Scottish descended and my dad was a police officer so everytime I hear them, I get choked up. If I wasnt, I probably would not like them. Playing national tunes can pump up your troops and confuse/annoy a foreign army. For example, I knew some guys who BLASTED obnoxious heavy metal in Panama in the '80s to get Manuel Noriega to leave where he was holed up. Rob Halford over and over for hours can level most armies.

62

Seamus O'Toole,

Cape Breton 02/12/2007 19:56:19

As a retired regimental piper, my most popular request was, "Can you play far, far away?"
When we were at a function with the 'royals' present, in the distance we could hear a piper playing yankee doodle or wearin' of the green.

63

Russell M,

Stirling, Scotland 02/12/2007 21:39:26

The pipes are but one aspect of a cultural heritage recognized around the world. The jealousy of those with no culture or heritage is not pretty.

There is a story told about the commander of a Canadian company in the days following the Normandy invasion who, its is said, upon encountering heavy German resistance radioed the regimental headquarters requesting reinforcements. He requested either five tanks or one bagpiper, whichever was more immediately available.

To those who have never been under fire you know not of what you speak. To the rest of us chosen few; I know I would gladly and proudly march to the gates of Hell itself to sound of the pipes and in defence of Scotland.

The bagpipe, aside from being God's Noblest Instrument, is the only musical instrument determined to be a Weapon of War in a Royal Court of Law. The pipes are a critical component for Scotland's defence and should be safeguarded.

Renewable resources, absolutely!
Ban the pipes, over my dead body!!!

64

Jill of USA,

Bremerton, WA 02/12/2007 22:11:14

Thank-you #38 Scosha, Dorset, I moved to the web site you suggested and listened to beautiful music.
It was so restful and lilting. I agree, with the others,
save your heritage Scotland!! We don't all have appreciation for the same sounds. But this was truly worth listening too.

65

Jill of USA,

Bremerton, WA 02/12/2007 22:15:48

Thank-you #38 Scosha, Dorset. I moved to the suggested web-site and found such beautiful music.
Save your Heritage Scotland, don't let other's try to take away what your forefather's have given their live's up for. And I don't mean just the bagpipe's either. Everyday here in America, we sadly watch as the communist take our country down piece by piece. I know you don't think very highly of us, but we think highly of you.

66

BK,

Cyberspace 02/12/2007 22:32:57

I thought most chanters these days came from the Polypenco tree.

67

Yane,

Melbourne 02/12/2007 23:02:40

#57 & #59 The didge does rock — see Yothu Yindi.
Bummer it's made frae wood an a — och well, I saw someone playing a plastic one once.

68

Stewie,

West Aust 02/12/2007 23:07:46

Ah the leftist greenie tree hugger tossers have found something else they want banned. Ss their no end to their studidity. I doubt it they will always find something they claim is ruining the environment. Maybe if they shut up for a while the greenhouse gases might just reduce significantly

69

ten pound tourist,

australia 02/12/2007 23:08:26

they should be named as the national emblem

70

Westwind,

Canada 02/12/2007 23:56:58

There are far more clarinets, oboes and English horns on this planet made from African Blackwood (Grenedilla) than bag pipes.

Why target the pipes only ... think about it.

71

MichScot,

USA 03/12/2007 01:52:03

What kind of Scot hates the pipes?

Be proud of your heritage and defend it. Once it is taken away from you, you'll regret it.

72

alternative,

australia 03/12/2007 02:34:21

don't judge all Australians by the obviously mis-informed No.8. I would probably guess he has never even seen a bagpipe, let alone heard one being played.


No. 25 sandra3mac, your comment
"Australia is the land that time and taste forgot" if that's the case why are you here, go back home to your lousy weather.

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Jean Cannon,

Adelaide, Australia 03/12/2007 02:56:45

It seems to me that bagpipes are a scapegoat here. I think it is a great idea to plant bagpipe trees if this timber makes a sweeter sound but the mind boggles and the volume of sound made if all or even a large proportion of the forests went into bagpipes. I dinna believe that here are that many pipes in the world.

On another note, you have changed this to a MUCH smaller font and it is shockingly hard to read. Freedom of the press demands a larger font.

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sandra3mac,

currently winding up dippit Australians 03/12/2007 03:43:55

no. 73 "go back home to your lousy weather."

Typical unimaginative Aussie comment. Why is it whenever you Skips don't like what you hear it's followed by "Go back to where you come from". Well just remember, I came here in planes not chains!!

75

Mickey O',

Montreal 03/12/2007 04:24:00

Why do some Scots insist on taking the pipes out of their element and play them w/ orchestras or as the Tannahill Weavers do, play them in a non-pipe band and attempt to scream over them. The best Scot music (non-highland piping) is played by Irish bands. They don't try to stick the highland pipes
into groups they do not belong in.

76

Rennie,

03/12/2007 04:57:34

Just another shakedown of a developed country by those who have failed to manage their own resources responsibly.

77

Neanderthal75,

Rocky Mountains USA 03/12/2007 06:07:54

Hello SandraMac,

Re your number 75, please allow me to inform you that those who survived the chains, survived to form a nation, fill the bellies of the 'well to do's' who only had the stomach to come MUCH later (even in planes) with the beef and sheep they raised, and carved out a culture, which is respected the world over.

I'm a knuckle dragging American of German, Irish, and Cherokee descent, and my Father's people (the Cherokee) survived the 'tender mercies' of the well to do's and the 'morally superior'.

We who've known the chains, the whip, and the bars of prisons, are the ones who save the butts of people like you, when things get nasty.

Because it's Christmas and that Jesus really IS the Reason for the Season, I'll not suggest what you can do with your 'moral superiority'.

The Pipes are dulcet upon the ears,
making my heart wander,
Back, back through the years,
To times and friends,
and loves deep and near,
so play ye please,
the pipes loudly and me imbue,
to a time when my heart
was still open and new,
Play me back again,
O Play me back,
and let my heart renew.

Those who do not love the Pipes are of dull wit and little culture, and no heart at all.

Cheers from the Rockies

78

Deanr,

Japan 03/12/2007 06:29:42

This will be great news for those poor souls that live on the Royal Mile and have to put up with the awful racket every single day of the week

79

sandra3mac,

Australia 03/12/2007 07:22:05

Dear no. 78 ,

you do not know the background to my comments. Before you shove your moral superiority down my throat stop and listen: We have had nothing but racism since we came to this country. My daughter has been been punched by so-called Australians because they thought her parents "talked funny". If we stand up for ourselves we get told to "get back to where we came from". If I get sick of Australian put-downs and choose this occasion to fight back, that's up to me. Merry Christmas O Superior One.

80

WL,

livingston 03/12/2007 09:56:13

Why do they not simply replace the trees that were cut down? Problem solved.

81

molu kikes,

basellandschaftliche 03/12/2007 10:19:29

fosset of what shakespeares has described was found the best species of the modern day construction ,.............. mpingo without echo .,,,,and natural god gift ,.......... inapatikana kuwa jangwa .,,,,,,the rebirth of ancient enginers than the one confused like adams smith of 16th and 17th century over the hypothesis of mercantile trends .,,,,,,the so call the irish turn out was told to rebirth mpingo theory in ancient terrain highlanders

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livilion,

livingston 03/12/2007 12:55:16

64. Russell M, Stirling, Scotland
My uncle Walter Stewart was a regimental piper who was killed during the North African campaign of WWII.
His name is recorded on the war memorial in Edinburgh castle.

Before he died it was reported that some of his mates had asked if it might not be easier for them if he would just play a tune the Germans liked.

83

livilion,

livingston 03/12/2007 12:59:00

#81. WL, livingston

Looks like the ancient technique of coppicing is an art that could do with some revision in Africa.

84

livilion,

livingston 03/12/2007 13:16:23

76. Mickey O', Montreal
Musical apartied?
Who says what does and doesn't 'go'?

The Red hot Chillie Pipers winning 'When will I be famous?'
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OwrvHnYpwkk&feature=re...

85

spidey,

edinburgh 03/12/2007 14:18:37

Well it seems that this article has worked quite well, despite (or rather because of) the fact that the journalist has been selective with his portrayal of the facts.

* All those who read it now know the type of wood that many bagpipe chanters are made of
* They know that the trees are being cut down at an unsustainable rate (whether for wind instruments or local use. etc)
* They know that there is now a project to try and do something about it
* They know that they can contribute to this if they wish

That knowledge can only be a good thing, even if it irritates some people (as all good news stories should)

Job done, I'd have thought.

86

Mickey O',

Montreal 03/12/2007 15:05:38

livilion #85

Bad taste is a personal preference.

87

Seamus O'Toole,

Cape Breton 03/12/2007 15:19:47

#85 livilion

An anglo saxon lowlander trying to instruct the Celts
about the piob mohr.

88

bogmon,

03/12/2007 18:00:30

Blackwood extinct? No chants.

89

Robert Burns,

Ocean Beach, San Diego, California, U.S.A. 03/12/2007 19:32:21

I'm a piper and an environmentalist. The whackoes are those who pimp the common environment for the private good, and include those that denuded the British Isles and a good part of the Americas. Cut the wining and disinformation, plant the trees, and "experiment" with other wood. Simon Fraser said that ebony wood chanters had the sweetest sound. And why does a remedial or beginning piper need a top quality instrument anyway?

90

tyson,

Annapolis 03/12/2007 19:36:47

#41 - Blackie - I should know better than to feed the wee trolls. U.S. troops only needed sixt months on the front lines to win it.

91

John Delano,

Hammond, Indiana 03/12/2007 22:35:13

"Most pipe manufacturers believe that no other wood has the same durability and resonance as the Blackwood. The African tree takes 80 years to reach just 40cm in height."

Somebody needs to proofread this. Could the intention have been 40cm in diameter?

Privately owned plantations would be the long term answer. Isn't this what is done with teak?

92

livilion,

livingston 04/12/2007 00:44:12

#90. Seamus O'Toole, Cape Breton

I hope you were smiling when you wrote that Pilgrim.
Round these ways that's fighting talk.


You wouldn't be related to the Wootton Bassett O'Tooles from Wiltshire?

93

livilion,

livingston 04/12/2007 01:24:29

89. Mickey O', Montreal
Fair enough, if you suffer from bad taste that's as you say a personal issue.
You just be what you wanna be, live like you wanna live man, it's a free country.

You wouldn't happen to be one of yon poe faced Cock o' the North Hielan Lairdies decked out as Bonny Prince Charlie in his polyester plaid, perchance with a tear in his e' for the auld country?

I enjoy pipe music in all its guises, I've even restored 1930's cinema organs but then maybe that's straying a bit too left field.

I merely observe that music is not absolute, these young men have given hundreds of thousands pleasure and were invited to play before the Queen at the State opening of the third session of the Scottish Parliament.
These are top grade pipers in their own right and confident enough of their art to have some fun with it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jxNqnkrTpoY

Highlight for me was a year or two back, when the Isle of Skye Pipes and Drums turned up in full regalia from a gig in Portree after midnight to help 'christen' my sister's neighbour's new byre, drunk every drop of drink in the village and played until it got light.

A bumper or two of the Talisker apparently is chust suplime for getting the very best out of a reed.

Proper highland piping.

94

PiperMike,

Hawaii 04/12/2007 07:36:23

Are Journalists supposed to ask for actual facts? As in, how many sets of pipes are sold annually worldwide, at a cost of how many trees? As in, how many trees are cut down for other uses? Worldwide, are new pipers actually making a dent in the supply of Blackwood trees all by themselves?? I'm just a wee bit skeptical.
Meanwhile, please don't tell these guys how many Spanish reeds we go through every year. Or how much hot air we contribute to global warming. We'll be done for sure!

95

bleachman,

04/12/2007 16:34:05

Anyone who has been around pipes and pipers knows the real ecological danger from bagpipes is the abundant beery flatulance which is always present and is an unavoidable byproduct from the pipers main source of inspiration.

If, as is often the case, the source of inspiration also includes distilled spirits as well as fermented brew, then the methane and carbon dioxide levels increase ten-fold. Not to mention the side effect of yards and yards of woolen tartan permeated with, ummm, fetid, humid air.

96

Deborah,

Montana 04/12/2007 20:41:46

Off the deep end again! I wonder how many other wind instruments are made of the same wood and why this article picks on the 'pipes? I mean, what are the statistics of say the clarenet v. bag pipe useage world wide? So now its down with wind instruments... what is next? Drums? Folks, time to start hording your guitars, and violins... Orchestras and bands the world over are soon to be an extinct species because the instruments are not environmentally friendly!
"NUTS!"

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TimBurr,

N Wales 04/12/2007 23:02:59

The production of Highland bagpipes consumes an estimated 10% of the worldwide export of mpingo from the only two nations which hold enough stocks to export it - Tanzania and Mozambique. Most of that production happens in Scotland.

Oboes, clarinets, whistles, flutes, recorders, piccolo are also made of the same timber, called mpingo in Swahili, it has 100 other local names as it occurs naturally throughout sub-saharan Africa.

Of all the instruments made of mpingo, the 14 pieces of highland pipes use the most in one instrument. To be precise 0.000628 cubic metres which = 4 x clarinets, 5.5 x oboes, 7 x recorders or flutes or 12 x medium sized whistles

Its scientific name is Dalbergia melanoxylon, one of the rosewood family.

Attempts to manage international trade in endangered species happens through the mechanism of a convention called CITES, to which most of the nations of the world have signed up.

On the list of timbers of highest conern is also Dalbergia nigra, Brazilian rosewood, the 'very best' timber for making classical guitars.

In the second league of conservation concern are pernambuco, the best timber for use in violin bows and Bigleaf Mahogany, a timber which most guitar makers find hard to replace as the best for neck construction.

The same convention this year saw fit to consider Dalbergia stevensonii, the timber of choice for xylophone bars, and Dalbergia retusa, also called Cocobolo, which is occasionally used for woodwinds, prized as a guitar timber and features in the odd clarsach harp.

Ebonies feature on virtually every good violin and most top guitars. The name refers to a tree of the family Diospyros. Most of the 50 species which produce black timber are also running out.

Instrument makers are not however wholly responsible for the degradation of stocks of these extraordinary timbers. Few people involved in highlighting conservation concern for them would advocate that they are bann

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TimBurr,

N Wales 04/12/2007 23:30:51

PS The following wackos lead the way in keeping the issues of instrument timbers of conservation concern on international agendas.

www.fauna-flora.org - The world's oldest international conservation agency
www.unep-wcmc.org - The UN's Environment Programme
www.bcgi.org - Botanic Gardens Conservation International

...through the collaborative mechanism of the Global Trees Campaign - www.globaltrees.org

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Princess Ann,

Akron, Ohio, USA 05/12/2007 05:49:01

For # 41. Yes, I remember WW1 well. My Dad is buried in Arlington cemetary. Washington DC. Because of that war. You are offensive.