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End to daily rounds debated as Royal Mail drops into red



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Published Date: 09 May 2008
SCRAPPING daily deliveries and introducing communal mailboxes may have to be considered to protect the one-price-everywhere postal system after Royal Mail went into the red for the first time, the industry's watchdog group warned last night.


Postwatch Scotland said the UK's unique six-day postal delivery service might have to be reduced to cut costs, with residents no longer having mail brought direct to their doors.

The suggestion was made as Royal Mail yesterday announced that the "universal service", in which letters are delivered anywhere in the UK for the same price, made its first loss last year – of £100 million.

This has been blamed on people sending fewer letters as they increasingly use e-mail to communicate, and pay bills online. Businesses are also switching non-urgent mail from first to second class to save money.

However, Royal Mail's parcel volumes are increasing thanks to online shopping.

The firm has also suffered from competition in the lucrative business mail market, although no rivals have yet emerged to challenge its monopoly over domestic post.

An independent review ordered by the government reported this week that opening the postal market to competition has seen no significant benefit for consumers and smaller businesses. It also found there was a "substantial threat" to the financial stability of the Royal Mail and the universal service, which has run since 1840.

The review panel will make recommendations to ministers later in the year.

Postwatch Scotland said protecting the universal service was particularly vital in Scotland because of its large number of rural communities.

Tricia Dow, the watchdog's director, said: "The service is vitally important to everyone, and we are confident in the government's commitment to it.

"However, to ensure the fundamental one-price-everywhere element stays, other aspects may need to be changed and should be open to debate.

"The rest of Europe has deliveries on only five days a week, where people also collect their post from mailboxes, such as at the bottom of tenement stairs."

Billy Hayes, the general secretary of the Communication Workers Union, said: "Royal Mail's financial results clearly show how unfair competition is undermining the ability to provide a universal postal service.

"The status quo is not sustainable and unless the current arrangements in the postal market are changed for the better the public will lose a valuable and irreplaceable postal service."

Adam Crozier, Royal Mail's chief executive, said: "The universal service is a huge asset for Royal Mail and for the nation as a whole.

"But it is now in the red for the first time … so it is vital that we have the opportunity for a real debate about how the service should be financed and sustained."

A spokeswoman for the Royal Mail said the company "absolutely" wanted to continue the universal service.

She said: "It plays an essential role in social cohesion, but we need to know how this service can be paid for since we make no money from it."

Royal Mail's results for the year to March also showed its letters business lost £3 million – the first loss since 2002. It handled three million fewer letters a day than a year ago.

The firm's profits fell by nearly one-third to £162 million, the lowest figure for five years, although it said these were ahead of expectations. However, revenue increased by 2.3 per cent to £9.4 billion, mainly because of the parcels boost.


A YEAR OF TROUBLES

THE first-ever losses for its universal postal service ended a woeful year for the Royal Mail, which saw the firm hit by severe industrial action, with official and wildcat strikes bringing deliveries to a halt.

Workers protested over pay, jobs and pensions, with union demands including reform of the company's pension scheme, a pay rise this year of 2.5 per cent and changes to working practices.

The disruption cut the performance of postal deliveries to their worst level in five years, with nearly one in five first-class items not being delivered the day after being posted.

Edinburgh, Falkirk and Dundee were among the 20 worst-performing postal areas in Britain.

Alan Alexander, the chairman of Postwatch Scotland, said: "Royal Mail let customers down and has driven many into using alternative means of communicating. It is doubtful that those customers who moved away from mail will return.

"Even after the strike was over the company failed to meet customer expectations at Christmas. This is the busiest posting time for households, and with more and more deliveries from internet shopping, an opportunity to rebuild a tarnished brand was squandered."


The full article contains 777 words and appears in The Scotsman newspaper.
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  • Last Updated: 08 May 2008 11:44 PM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
 
1

tomi,

09/05/2008 02:31:58
What kind of management has the Royal Mail got?

They are obviously grossly incompetent!!
( and, no doubt, with grossly inflated salaries!

AS the saying goes: "They could not run a booze-up in a brewery"
2

tomi,

09/05/2008 02:34:10
What kind of management has the Royal Mail got?

They are obviously grossly incompetent!!
( and, no doubt, with grossly inflated salaries!

AS the saying goes: "They could not run a booze-up in a brewery"
3

tomi,

09/05/2008 02:34:11
What kind of management has the Royal Mail got?

They are obviously grossly incompetent!!
( and, no doubt, with grossly inflated salaries!

AS the saying goes: "They could not run a booze-up in a brewery"
4

tomi,

09/05/2008 02:42:39
Sorry about the unexpected repetition, saying it once was sufficient: just pressed the "post comment" button too often, but I do not mind emphasizing it.

But, Britain is NOT "unique" in a six-day-a-week delivery, nor in a one-price-anywhere service.
(The USA is one example)
5

Guga II,

Rockall 09/05/2008 04:39:26
#1. The management of Royal Mail is not solely, or mainly, to blame. The New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party has been undermining the Post Office for years, and prevented them from having a level playing field. They want the Post Office to run at a loss so that they can bring in their plans to privatise it.

This plan would, of course, mean that their business buddies could make a small fortune, and screw the public.

Before you say it, I am well aware that Maggie Thatcher started the rot with privatisation, but Maggie Broon and the New Labour Sleaze and Corruption Party are Tories, in all but name.
6

Navvy,

singapore 09/05/2008 06:46:42
Edinburgh, Falkirk and Dundee were among the 20 worst-performing postal areas in Britain."

The ostrich like behaviour of the postal workers is reminiscent of the closed shop and not change attitudes which killed our shipbuilding industry and send it to Japan and Korea
7

Jacobite,

Invergordon 09/05/2008 06:56:05


What is this pr*ck Adam Crozier doing to the postal service industry.

Once we were the envy of the world.

Now we are the laughing stock of the world.

Every government that has been in power is to blame for the decline of the postal service but it has to come down to Adam Crozier who f*cked up the FA and they saw what was happening and got rid of him, HE IS A JOKE

And who suffers the public, yes the Post office is one big joke.

8

conservative,

Fife 09/05/2008 07:48:06
I don't suppose postal workers striking has helped much. My company for instance switched to not using the Post Office solely as a result of not being able to guarantee sending out invoices and we will never return to using them.

The Post Office took a gamble that in raising the cost of posting a letter by an enormous amount that the volume of mail wouldn't drop too much and they would in effect make just as much money for doing much less work. This hasn't worked. I don't see any reason why the volume of letters won't continue to fall. Last year for the first time I sent no Christmas cards because of the costs.
9

Malcolm in deepest France,

Saint Cirgue 09/05/2008 07:50:36
"The rest of Europe has deliveries on only five days a week,

Just for the record, we are in a very rural area of France, and we receive a six-day delivery to our front door.
10

Nell,

09/05/2008 07:51:01
"Postwatch Scotland said the UK's unique six-day postal delivery service might have to be reduced to cut costs, with residents no longer having mail brought direct to their doors".
How will you know if you've got mail if they dont bring it to your house? Maybe the postie will knock on and tell you.
11

paulr,

edinburgh 09/05/2008 08:09:03
As its now a private company, where do the prfits go?
opening the mail service up to competitiion is not as claimed by the union "Unfair Competition" its the same competition faced by other denationaliesd businesses, but it has done nothing for the consumer except to cause a severe deterioration in the service provided.
12

paulr,

edinburgh 09/05/2008 08:09:32
And of course the management of the post office are mostly morons.
13

Boggle fey the Bog,

09/05/2008 08:13:00
Another nail in the coffin of Nu Labour/Owld Torie.
Over the last ten years they have consistently attacked the Post Office.
The opening of mail services to 'competition' has been an unmitigated disaster.
Large companies, such as , TNT and UK Mail are under no constraints, they organise 'pick-ups' from companies and dumped the 'collections' on the Royal Mail to 'sort and deliver' it.

The RM have to do this at a cost that is 'competitive', but not to the RM, to the other companies.

Oh how I wish that when I had been running a business, I could just have 'delivered' a quote for the job, took the money, and passed on delivery to another company, that was bound by law to carry out the work for me at less than the price that it costs them to provide.
I'd be a multi-millionaire now!!!!

The answer really is quite simple, level the playing field, if companies like TNT wish to be in the 'Mail Business, then let them invest in the infrastructure, i.e. Mail boxes, collections, sorting, transporting up and down the country, and most importantly 'Universal Delivery'.
Make them do this and see them 'Duck and Cover'.

Oh yeah and get rid of Crozier, and put someone in charge that knows how to run a service, which was brought in to protect the people, and prevent what is happening at the moment.
You can not trust 'Private' enterprise to provide a community service. They are only interested in the 'Bottom Line' Profit, not service.
Enough is enough, Gordo stop this madness now!!!!
14

Peter Parkinson,

St. Leonards on Sea 09/05/2008 08:19:48
So what are the old and disabled going to do, do we get preferential treatment, How will the Mail store it, I can see people cueing at postal and sorting offices to collect their mail. Still they can have a big bin for the junk mail for some to dump it rather than taking it home or maybe dumping it outside the post office.
Less mail less postmen thats the answer or go out and sell the service to business, I'm fed up with junk mail on my computer it takes time to remove the junk.
15

Victoria,

East Lothian 09/05/2008 08:23:59
Privatisation and introduction of competition pretty much signed a long slow death warrant for the Royal Mail, of course no-ones going to challenge their domestic monopoly - why? becuase it's loss making, they covered it in the past through the profits made on the business post which has now been creamed off to other firms. Why do people seem so surprised when the inevitable happens?
16

Rather of use than fame,

Rural Scottish Borders 09/05/2008 08:25:35
Opening postal collections and deliveries is unfair competition for the Royal Mail since the Treasury doesn't allow it to alter its services and prices to compete on a level playing field.

To some extent, Royal Mail senior management have been paying themselves inflated salaries while reducing workers' pay and benefits, or increasing it less than inflation and at a far lower rate than their own salaries.

Also, there are still outdated "Spanish" working practices in sorting offices, poor working conditions, silly recruitment adverts asking for competence in riding a bicycle - these are rarely used.

If I lived in a tenement, I wouldn't have any objection going down the stairs to collect my post, but in rural areas, where most of the population is elderly, going to the sorting office to collect post isn't feasible.

Since the majority of my post is junk mail, I would not be happy to collect my post from anywhere other than my property unless they also provided free and secure shredding facilities.
Of course, that would never happen.

If Royal Mail introduces 'collect your post' we must tell the Direct Mail industry that nor organisation may send mail unless the recipient as expressly requested it in the past 3 months.
That might destroy the Direct Mail industry, and reduce substantially the Royal Mail's income.
17

Purlie Wilson,

Melbourne 09/05/2008 08:31:59
Must say every time I visit the UK and see the "postie" walking around with his / her mailbag dropping mail through individual front door letterbox's it does make me blink!!
I suspect gentle people that you might have to get used to installing a mailbox[s] at the front of your property and get the mail person on to a motor bike. It works around the world but alas one downside is the loss of jobs as said person on his / her bike will do the work of half a dozen walkers.
Progress?
Cheers from downunder
18

british and proud,

waiting for my honest postman to deleiver my lette 09/05/2008 08:38:09
adam crozier should be sacked as he is inept.
19

thinking,

Scotland 09/05/2008 08:41:11
Years ago, when telephones, electricity etc were all state owned, the unions had a stranglehold and the industries were inefficient and costing us a lot of money , being funded by the taxpayer (the bottomless money pit).
(We used to see them having constant tea breaks even after only half an hour at work etc work took longer than needed and costs were not monitored properly)
I think the reasoning behind the privatisation was to break the union stranglehold and Government inefficiencies and use business efficiency to improve matters.
Unfortunately, whilst the union stranglehold was broken international business came into play and things went the opposite way. Now, since Labour came into power we have meddling Government, Unions and Businesses causing problems.
What is needed? Perhaps state owned service industries, run by people with proven business abilities, and a pride in such industries so that work performance improves because everyone cares not because of performance measures.
Achievable? Yes because that's the way things were, once.
20

Rather of use than fame,

Scottish Borders 09/05/2008 08:46:04
My usual postman tells me he is fed up with the job, and that he'd leave if he had any other skills.

He says the working conditions have worsened, pay isn't as good as it was, a lot of unpaid overtime, junk mail means the postmen work harder and carry heavier loads, but they don't get paid more for it.

Also staff are constantly "looking over their shoulder", for fear of being punished for even very minor mistakes.
21

Scottie,

South Africa 09/05/2008 08:46:15
I wonder if the Saturday deliveries are really necessary or whether they're a 'nice to have'? People would have to send personal cards or presents a day or so earlier than just the day before, but who takes a chance on delivery being made within 1 day anyway!

The costs (to staff of companies) of progress is a heavy one, and sad.

But I wouldn't want to see posties on motorbikes, that's a bit daft for built-up areas imo.
22

GordonJ,

Edinburgh 09/05/2008 08:59:09
The Postal service is a joke. All too often items go "missing" and never turn up. There is no help in trying to locate these "lost" packages either, I wonder why that is?
23

Ellie,

Edinburgh 09/05/2008 09:18:27
How much does Royal Mail make from junk mail? I'm willing to bet 99% goes straight in the bin.
Daily deliveries? That's a good idea, I get 0 for 2 days then a bundle crammed in.
How would we know when to collect? & who would get mine....??
24

Mr H 2u,

Embra 09/05/2008 09:23:58
Um, how does having a communal mailbox at the foot of a stair work? After all, the Royal Msil has a legal obligation to deliver mail to the addressee. I'd hate to think what the pikeys who live near me would get up to with my bank statements etc. Mind you, when we all suffer from identity theft, think how much we can sue the Post Office for!
25

Upbeat,

09/05/2008 09:25:41
The Royal Mail management are squandering an opportunity that will not be repeated. As more and more people switch to shopping online, a host of courier companies have linked together to take up the slack. Royal Mail's response has been to impose a complex and foggy system of pricing which simply alienates the customer.

What could be simpler than the original penny post idea. ? Why is it today that differentiation has to be made betweeen big /small thick/less thick, first class/ second class, surface mail/ airmail. This has made it quite impossible for anyone to simply buy a stamp and post something. Even then the stamp multiples do not complement each other. Stick two second class satmps on anything and you will have overpaid at one rate and underpaid at another.

At the same time, in some display of self loathing , the management of the post office has decided to remove itself from local communities by shutting the one serious competitive advantage they held over all the opposition , the easy and convenient access to their services. They have overlooked the truth that local postoffices are now essential for customers to cope with the complex size/rate pricing mechanism.

Bad as this is the unions prevent serious investment into modern postcode scanning sorting equipment. The UK postcode system is not designed with the digital revolution in mind...it is not fit for purpose. But we are all saddled with it.

Compare the German geographical postcode system where at a glance any sorting/transport company employee can from the first digit identify the destination state box, the second number the regional area within that state, the third the local area within that region , the fourth the district within that local area . etc and you will see that the Uk's letters and numbers are quite meaningless at first glance.

The problems with the Post Office is that it is too complex and too many archaic practices exist, along with a mindset within management an
26

Upbeat,

09/05/2008 09:26:48
contd:
along with a mindset within management and staff that has long ago concluded it is all too big and too difficult to put right.

It could be put right, but the will to do this is long gone.
27

Suzi B,

09/05/2008 09:32:20
#22
If items go missing now, imagine what it would be like if we had our mailboxes at the front of the property like Purlie at #17 suggests! You would have schoolkids dipping into your mail on the way home from school and God knows what you would find dumped in there with the 'bag it, bin it' rule for dog poop!
Incidentally Purlie, as an ex Queenslander, I have to tell you that things are very different here. We don't have nature strips at the front of our property which the postie on his scooter could drive along like you have out there-our properties end at the pavement where people walk regularly. Also, in the towns our road frontage is generally much smaller so the postie would be starting and stopping every second or so. I think they should be able to deliver the letters right to the door for what they are paid.
28

Suzi B,

09/05/2008 09:47:44
Now I've started, here is my pet peeve about the British postal service.
The basic problem is that the postal service hasn't moved with the times and clings to archaic work practices. They will need to diversify their service and think outside the box if they wish to survive in todays world where they have competition from so many sources. For example, up until a year ago we used to get two mail services a day-the first at about 9am and the second about two hours later-what private individual needs that? Glad its gone.
Also what is the nonsense with first and second class mail? You shove your letter in the mail box with a second class stamp on it, what the heck do they do with it once they empty the box and sort the mail? Well, yes, they SORT the mail into first and second class wich takes time and machinery, and then what? They must leave the second class stuff somewhere for a certain length of time and then move it on. Nonsense. Nowadays most people send less letters than ever and can afford the extra 5p or whatever the difference in price is between first and second class. Get rid of second class. It's not as if your letters care whether they have been given the premier service or not and Royal Mail don't manage to move first class mail at a first class speed anyway. It's a lottery how quickly you get your letter regardless of what stamp is on the front.
The British postal service only has itself to blame for its current state of affairs. If they are delivering less letters than ever(according to this article)then their service should be working better for those who use it, yet it isn't. It's as if they have thrown up their hands in despair and given up trying. Instead of blaming everyone else for their lack of profits and bleating that competition is unfair, they need to lift their game and provide the service they are paid for.

29

Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 09/05/2008 09:55:23
It isn't meant to make a profit and it doesn't matter if it makes a loss, although the ideal is for it to cover its costs.

It's a public service, not a business.
30

Ninian Reid,

Edinburgh 09/05/2008 10:07:48
Be fair, Royal Mail needs - and deserves- a regional pricing structure. Never mind what they do in other countries; to me it's plain daft that I can send a letter to my brother in Taunton for the same money as sending it to a neighbour here in Colinton.Our postie is a local hero, the eyes and ears of a community out at work, save for a few wrinklies like myself with nothing better to do than contribute to the occasional Scotsman forum.
31

Brian not the messiah,

France/ Edinburgh 09/05/2008 10:15:00
I would like a partial introduction of the mail system described above. IE I still get my real mail, but mailshots and other marketing guff is kept in a communal place where I can choose to visit and collect it if I so desire. Readers Digest, Morgan Stanley...bog off! This would save the posties effort surely?
32

Piltonjambo,

Edinburgh 09/05/2008 10:27:10
Just to return to the point of 'opening up or liberalising' the market ... this was an unmitigated disaster ... we had a national service that even with it's faults ... delivered cheaply and fairly to every address in the UK for the same price ... now where are we?
Tricia Dow, the watchdog's director, said: "The service is vitally important to everyone, and we are confident in the government's commitment to it.
"However, to ensure the fundamental one-price-everywhere element stays, other aspects may need to be changed and should be open to debate.

This from the very people who are tasked with looking after the Universal Service delivery aspect!!!

These people have offered no support to the blatently obvious issue of lack of parity ... where the competition do not having to subscribe to the universal delivery and therefore are in the excellent position of being able to undercut on the price of the lucrative business mail which actually subsidises the universal delivery ... in short they have failed miserably to protect the universal delivery due to their lack of action and ineptness!!!
The competition who are now winning the contracts for the lucrative business mail are no better ... they, on a daily basis actually put the mail back into the Post Office mail streams for the last part of delivery (because they don't deliver to rural area's in any way near the numbers involved by the Post Office, they don't really want to, it costs too much!!!)
To prove the fact I witnessed as late as yesterday evening a small couriers van at Royal Mails processing centre where the guy was taking all of the mail in his van out of sacks and pouches and placing it into the post boxes outside ... and I'll bet this courier was handsomely paid for 'delivering' this mail.
33

Anglofile,

09/05/2008 10:36:42
Before Adam Crozier joined the PO as CEO, he left the Football Association in England in a complete mess. Now he is doing the same to the PO.

He is a waste of space.
34

RebornScout,

EDINBURGH 09/05/2008 10:42:34
I find myself needing to comment on this - I'm NOT a fan of the RM and am an ex postie

The RM has ended up where is it now partly I agree due to it's own fault but mainly as a result of the powers that be wanting it privatised.

RM is the only company which has to deliver everywhere in the UK some of it's competitors have "no go" areas all of which are in "rough" estates.

RM's competitors only want the big money making contracts and just collect the mail from these companies before passing it onto the RM for final sorting and delivery. The RM is required by the regulator to charge less than it costs to do this work and to give this mail higher prioriy than its own. Do you call that fair??????

I agree that you get wrongly delivered mail from time to time but everyone makes mistakes sometimes especially when under pressure. And posties are under a lot of pressure to sort and then deliver the mail as fast as possible.

When it comes to the placement of your mailbox most of you don't seem to realise how fortunate we are in the UK! I know in some countries in Europe (Holland for example) letter boxes by law must be at a min/max height from the ground (none of these at almost ground level), a minimum size (so none of the tiny boxes found in many old tenaments that you can't even get a standard size letter into without folding it), at ground/entry level (no posties climbing tenament blocks) and a maximum distance from the pavement.
35

Clive Hamblin,

09/05/2008 10:45:28
The Post Office has always been the same; it wants to trade on terms which are only advantageous to itself. This position wasn't helped when commercial competition was introduced. The moment I post something, be it a letter or a package, it ceases to be my propety; niether is it the property of the person to whom I'm sending it. It's in the ownership of the Post Office. So, if they lose it or don't deliver it for any other reason, there's not a lot I can do about it. Other than, of course, pay them a great deal more to look after it specially. IMagine running, say a greenmgrocers like this. Acustomer comes asking for a pound of apples. You respnd by saying, 'I'll take you money and then I may, or may not give you the apples! Add to this a service which is costing more for less and less. Now, my morning post isn't delivered until after the time when my second post used to arrive. It used to be our proud boast; wherever you live within Briatin, you should never be more than a quarter of a mile from a Post Office. Now you're lucky if you can find one!

Get rid of the buffoons who are running both the business and union side of this great institution and give it to someone who wants it to suceed.
36

RebornScout,

EDINBURGH 09/05/2008 10:51:40
con't
Before you complain about the price of sending a letter do you really think that it only cost pennies to send to everywhere in the UK. The RM only makes money on some of the mail on a lot of mail (especially private mail) it makes a loss. It costs a lot more than a few pence for example to get a 1st class letter from say bathgate to some village on Shetland, by the time it has been
collected in bathgate and taken to the sorting office in Edinburgh
gone though the sorting in Edinburgh
taken to the airport and loaded on the plane
unloaded and taken to the sorting office at the other end
gone though that offices more local sorting
delivered to the local delivery office
sorted by the postie into the delivery order then delivered
37

Boy Wonder,

09/05/2008 10:59:26
I could say ... I Told You So ... so I have! Months ago!
38

Farmernot,

oan ma traictor 09/05/2008 11:04:57
Can you believe that they are blaming email for the losses!!!!!
At least email gets to the address right away and not 3 days after posting first class !!!!

Bloddy incompetent and badly run business
39

Major General Puffin-Stuff,

09/05/2008 11:10:43
#31

Best thing to do with unwanted junk mail is to stuff it back in the nearest RM post box. Gives the posties something to do.
40

WKKB,

09/05/2008 11:13:29
#17 said "I suspect gentle people that you might have to get used to installing a mailbox[s] at the front of your property and get the mail person on to a motor bike."

I'm afraid that wouldn't work here as people drive on the pavement/sidewalks to park their cars.

I think the problem really is the fact that people don't send letters any more if an email option is available. I pay my bills online and I get online statements to reduce paper waste. The only mail I get through my door is junk mail and statements from companies who haven't gone paperless yet.

California has gone to communal mail boxes in many areas and they seem to work. It means taking a walk to pick up your mail but most people here do a lot of walking anyway. It would be harder in the rural areas of course and especially where the elderly are concerned.

I don't believe it's all a big government plot I think it's merely a changing of the times.
41

The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 09/05/2008 11:18:18
I now send everything second class as that is the service that tends to be "delivered", when the item is actually delivered. A sad indictment of the state the PO is in now. If we could get this sort of thing right in the last century, what's stopping it now?
42

Alan Cook,

Hants 09/05/2008 11:23:52
Quote

Best thing to do with unwanted junk mail is to stuff it back in the nearest RM post box. Gives the posties something to do.



Thats exactly what I do, and ALL the rubbish, thats put through our letterboxes, and in our Newspapers
43

A UK Yank,

Glasgow 09/05/2008 11:35:09
Growing up the the US we always had 6 day service and yes it is part of the US government. Their is nothing unique about the UK system other than how poor it is.

Also.. if email and electronic mail is increasing, would that not only draw down postal revenue but ALSO postal operating costs as they scale back to handle less mail?
44

IanW,

Ottobrunn 09/05/2008 12:07:33
Malcolm in deepest France #9 - I don't live in deepest France but here in Germany we also have 6 day delivery services.

How can the report say that in the rest of Europe they only deliver on five days. Two of the biggest countries clearly have a 6 days service.

I think the author is writing a load of 'porky pies'.
45

the_figures_are _fudged,

Galashiels 09/05/2008 12:12:44
Junk mail is an abuse of the postal system, an abuse of the environment and an borders on a criminal waste of public resources.

Posties staggering round to every single letterbox laden with crap that nobody wants or needs.

The sooner this is stamped out the sooner we can expect OUR postal service to deliver legitimate mail in a timely and efficient manner.
46

Jimmy the Pie,

09/05/2008 13:11:42
The Post Office will be another 'legacy' of New Labour Sleaze and Corruption. They set out to willfully destroy a perfectly good business to benefit their pals in TNT, DHL, UK Mail and all the other 'competitors'.
When they hired that idiot Adam Crozier the writing was on the wall
47

Suzi B,

09/05/2008 13:18:59
Hear, hear #45.
I have never yet responded to junk mail that has landed on my front door mat, however somebody must otherwise they wouldn't continue to send it out. Or would they?
I wouldn't even mind so much if they looked at their target audience. I live in a relatively new street where nearly everyone has an expensive conservatory, and the driveways are clearly not in need of further monoblocking, nor do we need new double glazing, yet that makes up the bulk of the junk mail that comes through the door. That and offers of insurance. My recycling bag is full of nothing but unsolicited flyers and insurance invitations, which we then pay to be removed and appropriately dealt with through our Council tax.
48

Upbeat,

09/05/2008 13:19:51
Delivery to a secure mailbox in the lobby of a block of flats works like this. The postman has a key which opens an outer door which gives him access to the back of the internal mailbox structure. The post is then delivered through slots to the flat's own mailbox .

The resident has a key to open his own safety deposit box in the lobby.

Properly designed there is no way that the boxes will ever be used for anything other than post. Not newspapers,not junk fliers not vandalism ...

This system works all around the world..is Scotland such a degenerate place that we cannot believe that this might work here simply because we fear misuse ?
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John Blackley,

Florida 09/05/2008 13:24:43
#4 tomi, the United States does have a nationwide price for delivering mail but does not have the 'unique' six-day service claimed by the Royal Mail. Generally, mail in the United States is delivered in 3 - 4 days.

How a postal service in such a small country as Britain can make such a mess of mail collection and delivery may be a signal lesson in mismanagement for decades to come.
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marc,

ex pat in canada 09/05/2008 13:49:33
We have the mailbox system in Canada and it works fine.
If it saves on the cost of mail then whats the problem?
I guess the price of petrol must have impacted on the cost of delivery also. However; is the UK safe enough for people to walk down to their community mail boxes and not get mugged?
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Robert12,

09/05/2008 15:54:03
Upbeat - slight issue being that 1. Not everyone lives in flats and 2. Not every block of flats has a secure front door. 3. Could you imagine an RM mail person walking around with a big bundle of door keys?!!

The RM delivers more junk mail than it does real mail. TBH most people don't get much mail anymore. I know I don't. All my bills are done via e-mail as are bank statements. This is why RM is losing customers. The company I work for stopped using RM when it started its strikes and I'm sure many other companies did the same.
52

Broddr,

09/05/2008 15:57:23
"This has been blamed on people sending fewer letters as they increasingly use e-mail to communicate, and pay bills online. Businesses are also switching non-urgent mail from first to second class to save money.

However, Royal Mail's parcel volumes are increasing thanks to online shopping."

So, they are making less money because there is less mail but the amount of mail they get is actually increasing?

Hmmmm.....

And as said before, if they are blaming a lack of letters, then surely their costs must be dropping to reflect it? Less letters to deliver, less cost.

Am I being stupid here?

Is it not more likely that the great British postal service has gone down the tubes because of certain management "types" who regularly give themselves fantastic pay rises and claim huge expenses while at the same time cutting the throat of the workers and dropping actual customer service like a hot stone?
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Catharine,

winnipeg, canada 09/05/2008 16:25:15
my mother-in-law sends parcels from the uk that arrive in half the time and at half the cost of my return packages. We have once-a-day, 5-days-a-week delivery to your door if you are lucky enough NOT to be in a new (and by new I mean anything in the last 20 years) housing development or in a flat, and a letter from one province to another can take up to 7 days - stop whining!!!!!! You don't need to lose all your deliveries, but you could stand to cut down on them. Yes, management/bureaucracy is a huge waste of money, but so are the unionised workers demanding pay raises and more benefits from an ailing business.
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Col. Blimp IV*,

09/05/2008 17:43:37
#53 Catharine

The Royal Mail was once seen as an essential Public Service.

In the last few years some of the more lucrative parts of the mail delivery business have been hived of to private operators and pressure is mounting for more.

Whether this is because of political dogma or there are some unofficial "brown envelopes" circulating,I have no idea.

That is why the business is ailing.

PS the guys who deliver the mail work 22and a half hours per week and earn around £150.
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Andrew.,

Oxford 09/05/2008 22:51:36

How will the authorities deliver parking fines in a reasonable and timely manner if Royal Mail discontinue a daily service?

I'm sure I read earlier in the week that "Mr Loophole" has used the failure to deliver speeding tickets within a specific period as a reason why a ticket should be cancelled. Can only imagine that Royal Mail were to blame.
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Drum Major,

Brisbane, Australia 10/05/2008 01:34:48
I remember the postman carrying his mailbag over his shoulder and delivering to the door 60 years ago. We also had bread, milk, meat and groceries delivered by horse and cart. Our modern postman is on a small motor bike. Blocks of units have all their letterboxes at the footpath. Postie does not use a whistle you hear the bike or just check your post box. Postie has a large safe box beside the red post box in which to keep his/her bags of mail saving returning to the post office to pick up the next lot of mail. No bad backs more efficient mail delivery. Who wants bills or speeding tickets delivered on the weekend? Five days a week is fine. Time to move to the 21st century.
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Hickory,

US 11/05/2008 15:53:34
Well now. Let us review the situation. If the volume goes down and prices stay the same, the extra costs are obviously in excess personnel. Hmmmm, any other business would trim the roster a bit.
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Maya,

Madrid, Spain 11/05/2008 20:53:21
What's with these "Spanish" practices? Perhaps they should copy Spain's system. The six day system is not unique to the UK. We get mail here too in Madrid, twice a day even. They seem to be getting on fine. Why are services that work fine in other countries so inefficient in the UK? This is what happens when you privatize essential services like crazy like the UK transport system which is just bad, bad, bad. I went to visit my boyfriend in Cornwall from Bristol (Madrid-Bristol), ugh, I knew I had been spoilt.
This is outrageous and makes me quite sad.

 

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