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Published Date:
25 November 2007
IT WAS supposed to be a new public holiday to celebrate the life and times of Scotland's patron saint.
But November 30, 2007, looks like turning into the great St Andrew's Day holiday flop, with thousands of workers still chained to their desks.

A year ago, the Scottish Parliament voted to allow employees to swap any of their public holidays for time off this Friday. A survey of some of Scotland's leading employers has found, however, that few, if any, employees have shown an interest in switching one of their days off to November 30 - even though this year it would make a three-day weekend.

Banks, insurance companies and even public-sector bodies such as councils said they had no record of anyone claiming St Andrew's Day off.

Supporters of last year's parliamentary decision said the new holiday had not yet had time to filter through into workplaces. Critics said it would never take off until it was made a statutory holiday and preferably moved to summer.

Dr David Brown, a specialist on the origins of the Scottish nation at Glasgow University, said St Andrew's Day had been a feast day for centuries. But he was not

surprised that hardly anyone seemed to be taking it as a new holiday.

"It's easy to say, 'have a holiday', but it often takes a long time before the idea settles in and it becomes a natural thing to do. It doesn't help having it in the winter, or that it is in the middle of the school and university terms. There would probably be a better uptake in the summer so perhaps we ought to start thinking about moving St Andrew's Day to earlier in the year."

At the Royal Bank of Scotland there was "no indication of a surge in interest in people taking a holiday on St Andrew's Day this year". And a Bank of Scotland spokesman said: "We are not aware of a massive number of inquires asking to take time off."

Employees of public-sector bodies appeared equally unenthusiastic. "Our public holidays are well established and there are no plans at present to change this," said a spokeswoman for Glasgow City Council. Edinburgh council said it had not detected any increase in workers requesting the day off.

St Andrew's Day will also be a normal working day for the Saltire Society, the cultural association which aims to preserve the best traditions of Scotland. Administrator Kathleen Munro said: "It's a working day for us in the sense that we are holding our literary awards. We will be celebrating St Andrew's Day as part of that."

At St Andrews University, close to where some of the saint's relics are believed to have been brought in the 8th century, a spokesman said: "St Andrew's Day is never a day off for us as it is our main graduation day, but we would support the notion of it being a national holiday."

The Scottish Retail Consortium was one of the few industry bodies in favour of a statutory public holiday on St Andrew's Day. Director Fiona Moriarty believed lack of interest in taking this Friday off was a result of confusion over what had been decided.

Dennis Canavan, the former independent MSP who sponsored the successful bill, also wanted the day as an additional statutory holiday but business groups argued successfully that extra time off would cost the Scottish economy more than £100m. The bill was passed only after a compromise in which workers were allowed to take the day off but in exchange for part of their normal holiday allowance.

Canavan said: "Only if the Scottish Government takes the lead and encourages employers in both the public and private sectors will it take off.

"The trades unions also need to take a leading role, as do councils and, in particular, schools. If children get the day off then their parents are more likely to as well."

A spokeswoman for VisitScotland said: "From a tourism point of view we would like to make a lot of St Andrew's Day because it provides a real focus on Scotland and what is available here at this time of year."

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  • Last Updated: 24 November 2007 10:50 PM
  • Source: Scotland On Sunday
  • Location: Scotland
  • Related Topics: St Andrew's Day
 
1

I'm no really here,

25/11/2007 00:48:16

6 days before the event, and The Scotsman already know it will be a flop. You would have thought they might have realised that Labour would loose the election.

2

Col Blimp IV*,

25/11/2007 01:30:02

#1 is me and AMT can be found at

www.amscottca.co.uk and www.scottca.co.uk

3

Navvy,

25/11/2007 02:47:05

perhaps we ought to start thinking about moving St Andrew's Day to earlier in the year."

Thick, ignorant, stupid again Thick, ignorant, stupid

St.Andrew's is and always will be on 30th November it can not be moved.

If you want an extra holiday in the summer then campaign for it

4

Spotter,

25/11/2007 04:10:08

its the wong time of year ..simple

5

Spotter,

25/11/2007 04:10:42

dec of arbroath day anyone?

6

nabodican,

Skye 25/11/2007 08:46:28

I wonder how much this needless bill cost us ?

7

BillMac,

My Ain Hoose doon south 25/11/2007 08:55:05

Lets face it unless you drink Guiness then all the UK National days will bypass you.

Maybe the Whisky guys should go for it like Guiness does and promote a party every year.

8

Garry Otton,

RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM 25/11/2007 09:18:56

Why are we once again being led by religionists? Do we really want a day off in November? Isn't Chrimbo; two weeks of disruption at in the darkest, miserable time time of year enough for you people? For once: Let Scotland decide! Who's with me for a day off in July or August?

(Let's see the SNP with private talks with the Catholic Church, support of Faith Schools, funding from religionists etc etc get out of that one! Let Scotland choose).

9

Boy Wonder,

25/11/2007 10:11:42

I don't know, but a nice, calm and peaceful long weekend before the bone-wearying and tension-filled "holiday fortnight" of December-January sounds like a great idea!

Last Friday of November?? Where do I sign me up?

10

Yonthing!,

25/11/2007 10:13:32

St Andrew was charged with taking the bones of Christ to the ends of the earth.

He got to the East Fife, and realised he'd made it!

We all want more holidays, but realistically, of all the existing holidays, only Christmas is marked by most people (and Easter for a few).

Most of the other holidays are just a day off work for some, with most retail outfits having to work to support those on holiday that want to buy a new sofa. Even the Irish admit that St Patrick's day is an excuse for a party.

I vote we remove the statutory days, and turn them into floating days to be taken as and when when requested. Nothing to stop those who believe in Christ from booking 25th December as a holiday.

11

Mr Lahey,

25/11/2007 10:29:05

Yonthing.. I'm afraid there is no such thing as statutory days as you describe them. Many companies have included "bank holidays" as part of their staffs holiday entitlement for years. However a bill is going through the UK parliament to change that and create statutory holidays on UK wide bank holidays.

12

artemisclyde,

25/11/2007 11:07:15

problem is from my employers, i have heard nothing about taking the day off or switching one day of the year for it.

yes, it exists in statute but what information are companies and organisations to be able to extend that particular choice on to their staff?

13

Geoff,

South africa 25/11/2007 12:30:59

5 Spotter-if its the wong time whendo you think the wight time is?

14

Kaytoc,

Maryland 25/11/2007 12:40:37

The third Thursday of November is a federal holiday here - Thanksgiving. Most people also take Friday off, giving them a four day weekend.
It doesn't suprise me to hear that your retail industry is in favor since the day after Thanksgiving here is the single biggest shopping day of the year and provides retailers with a barometer. It also kicks off the holiday season for us.

15

Kaytoc,

Maryland 25/11/2007 13:14:29

18 Jennifer
?????????

16

Micjonger,

25/11/2007 13:18:59

When I took my statutory days off, myself & my family were subjected to increased prices for hotels,entertainment,etc.,;crowded trains,airlines,airports,buses shops,etc,; and we rarely enjoyed them.

Now, we work on these days (enjoying the peace & quiet & easiness of an uncrowded workplace),and, took a day off "in lieue", to enjoy at normal pace - heaven.

Eliminate ALL public & statutory holidays (except maybe for Xmas), and both the public AND the economy will benefit.

17

I'm no really here,

25/11/2007 13:22:26

#12 "St Andrew was charged with taking the bones of Christ to the ends of the earth."

If this were true it would somewhat defeat the whole point of Christianity wouldn't it.

18

Nìall,

Donostia, Euskal Herria 25/11/2007 14:10:52

"There would probably be a better uptake in the summer so perhaps we ought to start thinking about moving St Andrew's Day to earlier in the year."

Well, Dr Brown should seek an audience with the pope in that case.

Which leads to a very salient point: Scotland is a presbyterian country and doesn't subscribe to the "cult of the saints". (Notice it was a man with an Irish surname who presented this bill.)

If you want a summer "Scotland day", how about the 24th of June?

19

Douglas Eckhart,

Edinburgh 25/11/2007 14:35:27

'so far employees have shown no real interest'


er.... I think you mean 'EMPLOYERS' have shown no real interest. Most employess dont even get asked.
I asked around at work and most people didnt even know about it.

This holiday should be compulsory and it doesnt need to cost '100m' a year, they can ust swap it for one of the other statutory days.

20

Garry Otton,

RELIGION IS THE PROBLEM 25/11/2007 15:03:21

Think outside the box. See if we can, as a nation - for once - get religion out of this. Let's all of us decide for ourselves.. Let's stop the politicians and journalists kissing the as of religions for Scotland and deciding for us. Let the people decide for Scotland. A day in the summer. How about the Friday before the August Bank Holiday?

21

Boy Wonder,

25/11/2007 15:13:30

#12. "St Andrew was charged with taking the bones of Christ to the ends of the earth."

Where did you get THAT from? It's not even a myth or legend. Some idiot told you and you're repeating it here.

You've just negated the raison d'etre for the whole of Christianity.

What price forgiveness and resurrection now, eh?

22

L,

25/11/2007 15:24:16

#4 - think it's obvious his comment was not meantt o be taken seriously

So who'd really Thick, ignorant, stupid again Thick, ignorant, stupid?

23

The laird.,

leadhills. 25/11/2007 15:48:41

in recognition of this special day I personnally have arranged to take the day off and will now do so for the rest of my working life, for me personnally st andrews day will be a national holiday in support of our new scottish government I this day is going to become a new national holiday why not start it right away this year will be the first one me and many other scottish minded folks.

24

L,

25/11/2007 15:49:57

most people would only waste it xmas shopping!

25

The laird.,

leadhills. 25/11/2007 16:02:30

I am looking forward to this day off and will take the oppertunity to kick start our christmas shopping.

26

Geoff,

South africa 25/11/2007 16:20:25

22 Niall,23 Chairman gordon-if you really want to get the "usual suspects" going and seeing as Scotland is a "Presbytarian Country" how aboutsuggesting the glorious 12th of July?!

27

pwd,

Borders 25/11/2007 16:23:38

Thank goodness for no St Andrew's day holiday. Another day of daft people wearing kilts and clinging to the haggis/tartan/thistle/wha's like us mythology would be too much to bear.

28

Chanter,

Glasgow 25/11/2007 16:33:00

Garry, do you really think that what passes for Christmas in this country in the 21st has anything remotely to do with religion. I doubt if 90% of the populace give the birth of Christ a second thought.

29

Geoff,

South africa 25/11/2007 16:33:41

33pwd-;)

30

Chanter,

Glasgow 25/11/2007 16:35:18

Woops, meant 21st century in previous post

31

Chanter,

Glasgow 25/11/2007 16:36:41

Woops, meant 21st century in previous post.
Geoff, you forgot bagpipes when running through your cringe list.

32

Garry Otton,

25/11/2007 17:59:19

Chanter, don't I know it. Try getting on a Globespan outta here at Christmas. You'll pay double if you can get a seat. Muslim countries have never been so popular!

33

The Pict.,

Canada 25/11/2007 18:27:57

# 12 YONTHING
St. Andrew must have been a genius taking the bones of a non-existent person to the ends (?) of the earth.

The holiday is to BOOST Scotland nothing else. For the non-existent Chairman Gord that means the PROMOTION of ALBA. (Chairman don't choke while drinking your bottle of ENGLISH beer)

For the person who wrote this nonsense: (Jeremy Watson)You must be a millionaire since you can predict the future.

Look at what the St. Patrick day celebration has done for Ireland. Does everybody get off work on that day???

Slainte.

34

Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/11/2007 22:05:41

Can't remember people moaning when we adopted an English holiday - Christmas. When I was a kid we got post on Christmas Day.

Besides we have less public holidays in Scotland than most countries in Europe and they all manage to survive with them.

Furthermore, sinse when has the time of year ever worried our attitude towards having an indoor excuse for a celebration.

And even more further, why do all those gloomsayers celebrate Christ mass and go outside on Hogmanay?

35

Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/11/2007 22:31:35

From the Picts is the Concept of Nation beyond clan loyalties and super-tribal allegiances, race, religion, profession or creed : comme la grande amitié de choses crées.

"Not much is known of their history."

Fancy that. Our territory once stretched from Swansea to the frontier town of Aberdeen (mouth of the Dee!) We built brochs, crannogs and SHIPS; engineering is our soul! Mobilise we did against maurading Danes and Vikings and defeated the world's then biggest mercenary war machine at Bannockburn. 1314 AD.

This fervour drives the successful nations on our planet.

36

The Forgotten Princess,

25/11/2007 22:58:18

So what's wrong with giving people a day off to promote attitudes of Scottish patriotism? Hopefully the Scotsman is wrong and it will not be a flop. But celebrations are supposed to have people attend them, or at least parts of them.

This should not be made into an issue of religion, or joked about. This should be about a country coming together to care about their heritage and each other. It shoud be a day to remember to see Scotland as being able to go forward in positive ways.

37

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/11/2007 06:46:33

47 - exactly - give us the day off, ya miserable barstewards. The only people objecting are either bosses or those headcases known as workaholics.

38

Pilrig.,

Livingston 26/11/2007 06:49:01

43 - the sales of Guinness over here are at an all time low cos they sell the slops over here, as anyone who has drank a pint of the real Guinness in Ireland will tell ye.

39

Anonima,

Ireland 27/11/2007 21:30:19

#39

St Patrick's Day is a holiday in the Republic of Ireland, and yes, we do all get the day off here.


 

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