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Published Date: 25 August 2009
THE organiser of Tartan Week in the United States has revealed that he has been inundated with calls from angry Americans following the decision to release the Lockerbie bomber.
Alan Bain said he has been urging citizens to look at the bigger picture and remember the historically close relationship Scotland and the US.

He spoke as evidence grew of a mounting backlash in America against Scotland following the release of Ab
delbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi.

The whisky industry yesterday highlighted its concerns about the impact on trade after one US politician, New York state senator Andrew Lanza, identified Scottish drinks giant Diageo as a target for boycotts.

Around 40 per cent of Diageo's latest profits were made in America and in total 12 per cent of Scotch whisky is bought in the US – a market worth £370 million to the industry in 2008.

David Williamson, of the Scotch Whisky Association, said: "We haven't noticed any drop in sales, but America is our biggest market and this is a concern."

Meanwhile, there appears to be a threat to tourism with more e-mails from angry Americans claiming that they have cancelled holidays to Scotland.

One to a Labour MSP read: "My family here in the US has cancelled a planned two-week trip to Scotland which was scheduled to begin 26 August because we are outraged at the decision to release the Lockerbie bomber after only eight years from a Scottish prison.

"Many American college students were murdered by this individual and it is shocking that the Scottish Government should consider the illness of this terrorist as just cause for releasing him.

"As much as we were anticipating visiting Scotland, we and others we know can never support the Scottish tourism industry and will be spending our dollars elsewhere."

With the site www.boycottscotland.com receiving more attention, there are fears that Scotland is set to receive the same treatment as France did after it refused to back the US over the invasion of Iraq.

And Scotland's tourism body, VisitScotland, has come under fire for failing to start work on a strategy to counter any potential damage.

A spokeswoman for VisitScotland said that while the organisation is monitoring the situation, it is currently "business and usual" and no strategy is being formulated.

But Labour's tourism spokesman in Holyrood, Lewis Macdonald, accused the organisation of being complacent.

"The potential for a loss of business is very significant indeed," he said. "It is imperative that we start to address that immediately. I am surprised that VisitScotland is not looking at a strategy considering the threat the Scottish tourism industry may be facing."

One part of Scotland's promotion in the US is the annual Tartan Week held in April and there has been speculation that politicians and businesses will boycott the events, including the annual Tartan Day parade through New York, where many of the families of Lockerbie bomb victims are based and anger is most concentrated.

Organiser Mr Bain reminded Americans that Scotland and Britain are among America's "oldest friends in the world". He has pointed out that it was Scots Guards and Coldstream Guards who came over to help after the 9/11 attacks.

"I just hope that people will look at this decision for what it is and see the bigger picture in terms of Scotland's relationship with America," he said.





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  • Last Updated: 25 August 2009 12:06 AM
  • Source: The Scotsman
  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: Lockerbie , Tartan Week
 
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DialMforMurdoX,

25/08/2009 00:08:20
Amazing how the Scottish media keep giving this Canadian boycott website coverage.

I dare say the people joining it the same people who complained of boycotts against Apartheid South Africa.
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Fifi la Bonbon,

25/08/2009 00:25:45
Maybe they could turn this into something positive for Tartan Day, a kind of moralising lecture for the people of the US, with a theme all about the superior Scots notion of compassion and devotion to the Higher Power. They'd appreciate that.

We could get the high heid yins of the various churches decked out in clerical grey walking down Broadway wagging their fingers at the people. Sir Sean could deliver a sermon on keeping the peace within marriage.

Ideas, people!
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/08/2009 00:27:40
Who cares? Europe is our biggest neighbour and we should kick ourselves up the jacksie to cater for them.

Learn how to count to 19 in a few languages and put out multilingual menus. How difficult is that?

Let me think about what we need to import from the States on an up front basis and we might have something to be worried about.

Go on, Yanks, boycott us Scots.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/08/2009 00:28:48
And we boycott Tartan Week.
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postalvoter,

glenrothes 25/08/2009 00:30:08
" senator Andrew Lanza, identified Scottish drinks giant Diageo as a target for boycotts."
The Senator obviously doesn't know that Scots are boycotting Diageo aswell. Thanks for the help Senator.
I don't remember us boycotting the US when they were funding IRA terrorism. Or when they refused to allow US servicemen to atttend our inquest into deaths caused by US servicemen. Or when they tortured British residents in Guantanemo Bay. Or when they decided to extradite Scot Gary McKinnon using their one way extradition treaty.
All seems a bit hypocritical to me.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/08/2009 00:32:04
City of New York pipe band marching homewards tae think again. Playing Are Ye No Awa Tae Bide Awa?
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Alan B,

25/08/2009 00:32:48
While i think this paper is probably hyping the story up as the US papers that I googled had any hint of the story quite buried, this US reaction will cost the US aswell as people have long memories.

Why for instance should we support the US in wars that it is fighting if it does not support us when we have tough decisions to make. If it wants our support in wars against terrorism then we should be able to expect US support when terrorist activities happen in our own back yard and support for how we want to deal with it.
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Jock Tamson,

Scotland, Caledonia, Alba 25/08/2009 00:35:08
The Yanks are in the huff
The Yanks are in the huff
He haw ma daddie aw
The Yanks are in the huff.
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Gordon, Canonmills,

25/08/2009 00:43:50
Frankly, the tourism boycott sounds quite attractive.

It may be heeded by a few redneck, overbearing, bombastic windbags, of the type we would have preferred never to come in the first place.

Fair-minded American visitors who love Scotland will make a point of coming. Some may even do so on purpose just to show solidarity.

They will be doubly welcome.

To those who follow the "two-legs-bad-four-legs-good" call to demonise all of Scotland, GOOD RIDDANCE!
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ScotLJM,

Richmond 25/08/2009 00:47:56
Aye, and when yer sporran is empty next tourist season, you'll be playin' "Auld Lang Syne" in the pipes, so see how many Europeans come tae make up the difference.... Naw, they'll be joining the rest of us on Miami Beach.
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I-Mac,

25/08/2009 00:48:28
Simply inform complaining Americans that there is a strong probability that al-Megrahi is innocent, that the American government knew this, that they helped fit him up for the crime (by paying a key witness 2 million dollars for example) and that they knew all along who really did it (Iran and its cohorts, in retaliation for the US shooting down an Iranian airliner) and let them stay free all along.
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scotnotbrit,

camelon 25/08/2009 00:53:12
i dont know how true this is .....but....uniquely ,it seems ....our home made soft drink IRN BRU outsells COCA COLA . i know i always prefer it anyway !
in fact stick yer COCA COLA up yer turnpikes !
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Gordon, Canonmills,

25/08/2009 00:56:34
Miami?

Son of a beach!

Plastic women, junk food and muggers.

Gie us a haddock and chips on the harbour wall of Ainster ony day!
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Marchmont,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 00:57:22
In the furore over the release of al Megrahi, the event most likely to have been original cause of the Pan Am bombing seems quite forgotten. The shooting down of the Iran civilian airliner by the US Navy five months before Lockerbie cost 290 lives. To say the Americans remain off hand about this outrageous act would be an understatement of truly sublime dimensions. Yet when the US feels IT has been wronged, it is soon clear that they hold to the principle that revenge equates to justice, an attitude that is clearly shown in the widely different attitudes of the US and UK relatives of the victims of Lockerbie. That such a nation would criticise the Scots for showing mercy is only to be expected.
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scotnotbrit,

camelon 25/08/2009 00:57:24

yer no' gettin' mah BREW !
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Dunnie,

Canada 25/08/2009 01:02:22

We Canadians live next door to the "Elephant".

We try to anticipate his moves and stay ahead of him
(hence our refusal to join the Yanks in their invasion of Iraq) otherwise you are fed a steady diet of sh*te.

As to boycotts that are ill-advised and irrational; now you know how we feel about you and your Euro cousins annual hysteria about our seal hunt.
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scotnotbrit,

camelon 25/08/2009 01:03:35
# 15 , it must be stressed that these were innocent PILGRIMS , hadjji . women and children . you get a medal for mass murder in amerikkka , millions of dollars for perjured testimony . oh yeah , and they judicially execute minors and imbeciles . my morals ? i sleep good !
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Huntly loon,

Aberdeenshire 25/08/2009 01:06:10
A great part of the American tourists usually have some family ties with Scotland and are already into scottish culture. The others are doing it as part of a British or european tour.

Will Texans boycott Offshore Europe in Aberdeen next month? I dont think so. Or the golf guys for next year's Open. Most rednecks dont have passports to come here anyway. I think it will make no difference.
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d boone,

25/08/2009 01:11:26
15 Marchmont,
What a load of codswallop. US Navy ship misindentifying the approaching Iranian aircraft....an aircraft by the way that was warned numerous times on both military and civilian frequencies to disengage, and it did not and was tragically shot down as its approach profile resembled a incoming hostile....that is no match for a deliberate act of Libyan terrorism. The moral equivelancy between the two incidents is both insulting and intellectually dishonest.
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Dunnie,

Canada 25/08/2009 01:12:21
19 - Huntly Loon - well said.
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postalvoter,

glenrothes 25/08/2009 01:26:02
#20 d boone
Your account doesn't tally with the known details.
It was a scheduled flight from Iran to Dubai. It was flying 6 miles up. It was mistaken for an F14 which is a third the size of the airbus. There was no visual ID done on the aircraft. It was on it's scheduled flightpath. Four years after the aircraft was destroyed the US crew finally admitted that they were in Iranian territorial waters as part of their exercise to keep the Straits of Hormuz open.
"incoming hostile", "failure to disengage". Yes just the kind of thing an airbus would do while carrying women and children. You've been reading too many Tom Clancy's.
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Brianwci,

25/08/2009 01:29:52
This is August, Tartan Week is April, enough said. Empty heads will plenty of other things to occupy them between now and then.
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ScotLJM,

Richmond 25/08/2009 01:42:40
#25 OK, let's see how many Libyans come and visit their new Scottish friends. None I'll bet.
Who is really the neephead?
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Fletty,

25/08/2009 01:43:16
Maddox for the chop when the new owners take over.
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mangrove jack,

Australia 25/08/2009 01:44:18
BRITISH TOADIES INSULT THE GHOSTS OF LOCKERBIE; so writes Sydney's Piers Akerman in Sydneys Daily Telegraph. Read it if you get a chance, its a hoot.

A bit of background; Akerman is widely regarded a joke. He is also a Murdoch toadie who makes Glenn Beck look like a pillar of democracy and even handedness.
Please don't hesitate to contribute to his blog, if you feel so inclined. You may not get on though; he is the sole moderator of his blog is not fond critisism.

http://blogs.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/piersakerman/index.php
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Miss A.,

25/08/2009 01:48:57
Some inflamatory remarks here. This paper keeps stoking the fire. Our newspapers(Calif.) have already moved on to other things and there has been no further mention of this as news. Can't speak for the rest of the country but I seriously doubt tartan week will not go on as planned and some tourists may cancel but for the majority,I am sure life will go on.
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postalvoter,

glenrothes 25/08/2009 01:50:51
I think all boycotts should be boycotted.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 01:56:42
I've enjoyed all the comments -- well, most of them. I won't be boycotting any Scots whisky. In fact, you guys need to quit hanging out here -- get out & cut some more peat or something.
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Melly in Bama,

Birmingham, Alabama 25/08/2009 02:03:46
From what I see here in the US, most Americans were a bit upset that this guy was released, but most Americans also realize that we don't have much right to criticize another government's actions. Lord knows with all the a$$-hats running our government, we have NO room to talk. It's time we build a bridge and get over this. There is nothing we can do now anyway.

I, for one, would never boycott Scotland and I hope to bring my daughter there one day to visit the country of her ancestors. You all have a lovely country and I look forward to returning.

PS: #38- very funny!!! :)
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Fletty,

25/08/2009 02:05:13
#37
Aye.
Just watched some American news on sattelite TV.
30mins went by without a mention of this story.

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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 02:08:51
#44
Yeah, we can gripe about the Scottish politicians here in the States if we feel like it, it's still our right. Heck, we should be experts, we have some of the stupidest, crookedest, scummiest politicans in the world!
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d boone,

25/08/2009 02:12:03
22 postalvoter,glenrothes 25/08/2009 01:26:02
The point was the foolish moral equivalancy argument that continues to be made on these threads of an tragic error on a US Navy ship versus a diliberate act of terrorism by the Libyan government.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 02:21:11
Street protest is a recognised feature of American politics. I hope any protest against the Scottish Government will lead to dialog rather than confrontation.
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Gorach,

On holiday 25/08/2009 02:26:08
Aye tartan week festivities should be moved to Canada anyways. More support there by far especially out west.
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Mìcheal a Eilean Rùim,

Richmond 25/08/2009 02:31:04
#2 Fifi la Bonbon wrote: Maybe they could turn this into something positive for Tartan Day, a kind of moralising lecture for the people of the US, with a theme all about the superior Scots notion of compassion and devotion to the Higher Power. They'd appreciate that.

I can do far better than that! We could have a live drama for the Edinburgh Festival where all those who did their best to betray Scotland could be shot by firing squad! As a former firing squad leader for a foreign power, I can arrange all the details to ensure complete autheticity, including the coup de grace as a warning to those who try to sell out Scotland!
What do you think, Fifi? Would your and your pro-UK associates be available to participate? I'll bet ticket sales would go through the roof! In my day we used to put on a really professional show which would come across like gang busters in front of a Scottish/American audience! Please say you'll consider it! I'm pretty sure Dreghorn Barracks will donate the rifles and live ammo (no names, no pack drill!) and even better, you'll finally be a star and no one will ever know that you were once just plain Mr. Twinkie, darling of the Holy Corner Blue-Rinse Set!
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Fifi la Bonbon,

25/08/2009 02:40:03
#50 - welcome to the new compassionate Scotland. Anyone not falling into line will be shot.
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Charles Linskaill,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 02:55:57

This is the time that we standby our moral values, if others do not like it, that is their problem not ours, furthermore, we can stand on our 'two-feet'!, we do not need others that do not respect us, as long as we have 'self respect', this is all that matters, we lead others follow in the end!

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Melly in Bama,

25/08/2009 03:07:18
#46- American/Scotish Descent

Yes, you are correct; we can criticize other governments. What I really meant to say was that we don't have much room to talk... Glass houses and all that. ;)
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John Henry,

Scotland 25/08/2009 03:15:50
The wee yanks are in a huff over nothing as usual. Not only do they want to rule the middle east but now Scotland as well.
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dahlimama,

Ny state 25/08/2009 03:16:43
A lot of very nasty comments about Americans.I avoid places where I'm not welcome and people who feel this way.This has nothing to do with compassion and everything to do with getting oil! Had the shoe been on the other foot and we were releasing someone who murdered 270 Scots I would have been against it.The first time I became aware of how much the Scots hate us was after 9/11 when my daughter-in-law spoke to cousins back home and was told how much glee there was in the streets.you all have the right to say what you want but it won't be forgotten by those of use who may have wanted to visit your country. Why would we want to after reading what you think of us.
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Traquìr,

Alba 25/08/2009 03:26:04


So given the reported absolute outrage and massive boycotts of Scotland in the US I thought it would be interesting to see what the papers over there are really saying so I asked one of my buddies to scan the New York Time Sunday edition for all coverage of the Meghari affair. Imagine my surprise that the coverage was as follows :

. Front Page - 90% was US Health Care Reform,
Iraq/Afghanistan and Weed Killer. There was one
little paragraph on the front page which mentioned
Gadaffi thanking his 'friend' Brown.

. Inside there was one article which was rather
reasonable it mentioned Mueller but generally
focused more on Brown and suspected oil deals
with Gadaffi.

. Letters page - nothing
. Editors Opinions - nothing
. The Week in Review - nothing

It would appear that somebody for some reason is trying to stir somethings up. Any clues who that might be and why ?

Today it would appear the USA have some new problems to deal with which are as far removed from compassion as can be.

"The Obama administration launched a criminal investigation Monday into harsh questioning of detainees during President George W. Bush's war on terrorism, revealing CIA interrogators' threats to kill one suspect's children and to force another to watch his mother sexually assaulted."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090825/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_cia_interrogations

Again the Scottish media tries to create some smoke screen which bears little resemblance to the real world.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 03:28:14
#54
Sorry, John, we don't want to RULE your little English state, we just want to let you know when your leaders are stupid, hell, we should know, look at our politicians....
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Bill Brann,

Texas 25/08/2009 03:37:31
Was pretty hot at first, then when you look at all the facts, including Bill Clintons original mishandling of the affair and everyone tripping over each other to get to Ghadaffi Oil, it all is really a mess.

At the end of the day, you'll need a strong Scottish drink to make heads or tails of it all.

Where would we be as Americans if everytime we farted in church someone boycotted our goods?
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Mercutio,

FALKIRK 25/08/2009 03:39:54
#58 re Farting in church, All Brann's are the cause of this.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 03:43:10
#58
Yeah, Bill, if we got worked up every time the US did something stupid, we'd stay worked up. The Scottish drink sounds pretty good to me, though. I'm out of single malt & I'm having to drink Bourbon whiskey.
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Carolyn 1,

vacation 25/08/2009 03:44:22
AlanB @7
While i think this paper is probably hyping the story up as the US papers that I googled had any hint of the story quite buried, this US reaction will cost the US aswell as people have long memories."


Wrong

Evidently New England news carried it as the second lead story tonight on television. New England is the most liberal most democrat region in the US so to lead with this kind of story is unusual.
Boston is also the home town to the dozens of colleges, and the students are arriving from around the world by the truckloads.

Of the 189 Americans on board the plane dozens were college students coming home for Christmas.

For various reasons I these college students pouring into their dorms will not forget this flip of a court ruling. College students are tech savvy, the internet is their life blood, they're current. They understand law. They pick an issue and never let go, -they have long memories and will remember what country let the man convicted of the bombing go home free.
Already there is planning by the parents of the college students who died, about how to prevent Mr. Gaddafi from having a platform next month from which to gloat next.
And that's the part I found interesting: to have Ahmadinejad speak was not a problem, but they do object to Gaddafi speaking. Go figure.


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Bill Brann,

Texas 25/08/2009 03:45:47
That's why I stay out of church...respecting my neighbors.
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Bill Brann,

Texas 25/08/2009 03:47:11
Of course, you should have expected Ghadaffi will take any chance to dance like a monkey...so that's your fault.
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Dougie Dougla,

Brisbane 25/08/2009 03:48:08
I think it very important not to enter into any yank bashing. Yes, collectively in cases like, this they can be quite trying but we have to remember that America is a vast country with many different perspectives.

I for one acknowledge that America is, on the whole, a positive influence and that most Americans are rational people, they simply have not had this matter explained to them properly. If you are American and would like some clarification it's right here:-

http://www.ianhamiltonqc.com/blog/?p=375

I would also remind Americans that us Scots are at the business end of the British support in it's retracted confrontation in the Middle East. we are a friend and an ally, what moral authority would America have it's friends and allies were only there under duress.

Lastly boycotts are simply reverse protectionism and as such damage trade all round. It's a two way street, although our economic muscle is smaller we could go down the same path, further if Americans react in such an punitive way to a key ally what message does this send to others?. Bullying a small country will further damage it's reputation amongst other civilised countries and could encourage a boycott of American goods by enlightened consumers the world over.

We seek no fight with the most powerful country in the world but will not be bullied. The decision to free Magrahi will damage the SNP politically, as such it can be viewed as a brave and a moral decision
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John Henry,

Scotland 25/08/2009 03:49:51
#55 dahlimama
"who may have wanted to visit your country. Why would we want to after reading what you think of us."
Wherever you lot go there's trouble and death. The only Americans who travel are the military anyway so who cares what you lot think. It's common knowledge that this man was set up as the scapegoat.
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Carolyn 1,

vacation 25/08/2009 03:52:11
Miss A @37
Can't speak for the rest of the country but I seriously doubt tartan week will not go on as planned ..."


Tartan week was successful for one reason, and one reason only: The movie Brave Heart. As that movie fades into the horizon Americans will not care about tartans any more than they care about Scottish turbines. If Sean Connery doesn't show, who cares about the parade.
Everything Gibson and Brave Heart did to pump up Scotland as a freedom loving country, a kindred spirit to America is now reversed.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 03:54:26
#65
Yeah, John, if it weren't for American "trouble and death", you'd be speaking German & wearing jackboots.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 04:05:32
-- I was told how much glee there was in the streets.

I was in the street that day and didn't notice any glee. Pedestrians seemed shocked and disturbed as were local Pakistani, Indian and Afghan shopkeepers.
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Saltire,

Thailand 25/08/2009 04:12:24
I think the Americans should boycott everything related to Scotland. That would teach these self centred miss-directed compassionate fools.

Now let us see what Scottish related things we can boycott - oh yes let's start with TV then go on to tarmac, penicillin.

That should solve the problem

Ha! Ha! Ha!

Oh grow up kids. What Scotland did was a compassionate and dare I say Christian act. Such an action is normally so lacking in global politics. It is a lesson to the World of terror that we are better than them and will not bend our morals as a knee-jerk reaction to their terror tactics.

In that way we will always be able to sleep at night.

Keeping a dying man in prison serves no purpose other than to harden the terrorists in their wicked ways and to create a martyr for more terror supporters to follow.

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Carolyn 1,

off the isle soon enough 25/08/2009 04:21:05
Huntly loon @19
Most rednecks dont have passports to come here anyway"

Rednecks are the hardworking blue collar middle class of Irish and Scot descent. They don't have the money to travel with their family to Europe so they were never going to be part of your tourist trade.

It's the wealthy families who travel and the business owners. They're the people who pay premium for good malt.

Let's see what the reaction from them is next month when Gaddafi rubs it in their faces, if they will still want to buy Scotland's finest bottles of scotch or pick instead some nice homegrown Kentucky.
Pebble Peach is a damn fine golf beach overlooking the ocean, no need to bother with that baggage all the way to Scotland.
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Saltire,

Thailand 25/08/2009 04:21:32
And how about this for a conspiracy theory?
The Americans, knowing that he is innocent, quietly persuaded the government to release him so that they can avoid any appeal hearing.
Let's face it - the FBI director's outburst really does does seem a bit like "the lady doth protest too much".
This also avoided the possible exposure of their own conspiracy to condemn anybody for this act to give the US public someone to blame other than their own security services.
We know they were warned in advance about this bombing and did nothing. Why? Did they have some ulterior motive there?
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Baggy Troosers,

25/08/2009 04:42:58
#55

I can assure you there was no such thing as "Glee" on the streets in Scotland .
We Scots were as just as shocked to the core watching this unfold as anyone else.
Ok you may have got some people of the muslim persuation rejoicing but that probably happened in every country.

You are very wrong fella.
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swgilkey,

Saint Charles, Missouri USA 25/08/2009 04:53:07
Most of the anger here is that the bomber got a heroes welcome in Libya.
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r1niceboy,

Nebraska, via Polwarth 25/08/2009 05:02:57
Most of the anger here is from folks that deliver the lethal injection to retarded children.

/Yes, I'm looking at you, Texas.
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KampungHighlander,

Jakarta 25/08/2009 05:10:28
If the are so angry maybe they should vent their anger at their governments decision to protect terrorists.

His name is Khaisar Haddad and he lives in Washington DC.

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/122299/-I-ll-reveal-true-identity-of-bomber

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d1carter,

USA 25/08/2009 05:58:29
How do I boycott Scotland? I am an American and my family and I visit Scotland as often as we can. On our last visit, my teenage son became very ill while we were staying in a B&B in Portree. The lady/owner ran out to the store to get American brand soft drinks and crackers to sooth his illness. How do I boycott this woman? Or, the lady in Edinburgh who owns a small apartment we use to stay there? She offered to pick up my family at the airport so we could drop off our rental. How do I boycott these people? The family in Bridge of Alan who took us in and treated us like their own after a long flight over, should I boycott them? No, I can't and I won't boycott my friends. I hope to see them all on my next visit.
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Pocket Dictionary,

25/08/2009 06:50:59
#77 could start by boycotting American owned supermarkets and fast food outlets. Don't go to see American films and so on.
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Canis Majoris,

Texas 25/08/2009 06:54:54
Hypocrisy , arrogance , greed and paranoia rule the "land of the free" the USA (controlled free that is). Our media and Washington propaganda machine are on the attack 7/24 against Scotland, because Kenny McCaskill released, al-Megrahi on grounds of compassion
To this day there is no evidence beyond a doubt, that al-Megrahi was the bomber that downed the PAN AM plane. But we Americans want blood. So here is an example of our hypocrisy and how we take blood..

On March 16, 1968 in My Lai, South Vietnam a unit of the U.S. Army conducted mass murder of 500 unarmed citizens all of whom were civilians. And a majority of whom were women, children, and elderly people.
Many of the victims were sexually abused, beaten, tortured, and some of the bodies were found mutilated. The women were raped.

While 26 US soldiers were initially charged with criminal offenses for their actions at My Lai,only one William Calley was convicted. He served only three years of an original life sentence, while on house arrest.

US Army Second Lieutenent William Calley. led this massacre. His soldiers went berserk, gunning down unarmed men, women, children and babies. Families which huddled together for safety in huts or bunkers were shown no mercy. Those who emerged with hands held high were murdered. ... Elsewhere in the village, other atrocities were in progress. Women were gang raped; Vietnamese who had bowed to greet the Americans were beaten with fists and tortured, clubbed with rifle butts and stabbed with bayonets. Some victims were mutilated with the signature "C Company" carved into the chest. By late morning word had got back to higher authorities and a cease-fire was ordered. My Lai was in a state of carnage. Bodies were strewn through the village. But William Calley never spent a day in a US prison.
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Black Sabbath,

25/08/2009 07:05:14
"US protesters target Tartan Week"

How thick can you get?

No one at Tartan week had anything to do with the release of the man convicted of the Lockerbie bombing.
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The new waspy,

25/08/2009 07:28:19
Only 5% of Americans have passports anyway so whats the problem. Bit of hysteria being whipped up by the hootsman me thinks. If they want to boycott us fine by me then we can return it by bringing troops home from Afghanistan and Iraq and let them fight their own dirty wars.
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DialMforMurdoX,

25/08/2009 07:41:25
#67 An American of Scottish descent, 25/08/2009 03:54:26

"#65
Yeah, John, if it weren't for American "trouble and death", you'd be speaking German & wearing jackboots."

And if it wasn't for us you'd be speaking Sasquatch.
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Linda,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 07:46:13
How long did the American boycott of French Wines last?

The US wants Libyan oil as much as the UK government.
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Russell M,

Stirling 25/08/2009 07:47:26
What I find staggering is the number of "compassionate" Scots who believe that one good act of terrorism (Iran Air Flight 655 on Sunday 3 July 1988) deserves another (Pan Am Flight 103 on Wednesday 21 December 1988). Could this be why bullying is such a problem in Scotland? Or could it be that after being ruled for so long by our neighbour to the south, who's less than stellar historical record regarding the treatment of indigenous people, has distorted the Scottish sense of compassion and justice. Until we confuse giving the two fingered salute (F... off) to the emperor with compassion. Coupled with our schizophrenic relationship with our cultural and industrial heritage, it's no wonder we trip ourselves up.
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eric,

lthn 25/08/2009 07:48:34
Most of american newspapers dont cover it now,the bbc are milking it,and look at the news coming out of america yesterday about the whiter than white cia!
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donnelly,

dundee 25/08/2009 07:50:15
Folks ...come on please!! .

Why are you even bothered communicate with views on this Drivel ...just look at the name at the top and that then sums it up ...

Maddox get an F N life man ....the only thing you have in common with all these Stateside drivel is that no one really gives a flying f to what you or they say ?

Its old news mate ...if you want something really topical to talk about, what about Aston Ville cuffing Liverpool yesterday ?..now thats interesting? ,,and no doubt Maddox, if you tried you can find an angle to blames those pair alex and kenny for it ????
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paulr,

edinburgh 25/08/2009 08:02:04
"Scottish drinks giant Diageo"
get your facts straight please, diageo was originally guinness, who owns it nowadays , i do not know but it is not a Scottish company.
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Itchy,

25/08/2009 08:05:33
"As much as we were anticipating visiting Scotland, we and others we know can never support the Scottish tourism industry and will be spending our dollars elsewhere"

If you don't visit Scotland, it will leave you much more to spend funding the IRA.

How thick can some people get?
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john z,

edinburgh 25/08/2009 08:09:08
This article is just piffle. It really is.

I can tell you first hand that there is no growing 'outrage' in America. The USA is a very BIG country, and articles such as this just stir up hatred.

Thanks goodness this paper will soon be sold.

To all americans, this decision was complex, power in Scotland is not complete. If you want to look for dirty dealings it is not in the Scottish Government, for that you and your diplomats need to look at London.

I disagree with many things the USA does, but I do not boycott America, as I realise that sovereign countries must be free to allow their judicial systems to work. Scotland would be a laughing stock if it did not uphold the integrity of its judicial system.

Americans also need to understand that a lot of this so-called 'outrage' over here, is being stirred up by the english media who do not like the Scottish Government or the notion of Scottish Independence. So, in reality if you boycott Scotland, in many respects you are just 'shooting the messenger'.

If you do not know the history of this release going back to the agreement made by Tony Blair (not the Scottish Government) in 2007, and repeated meetings between Gordon Brown and Prince Amdrew and gadaffi, then you will genuinely shoot the wrong people.

So, think again, and make sure you boycott the right country, not Scotland, that's for sure.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 08:18:06
There's nothing wrong with being a redneck and liking pickups, dogs, guns, huntin' and fishin'. There are plenty of them in Ross-shire. As to blue collar work, a good plumber should earn good money to travel anywhere on the world that interested him. My friend Alan was head of logistics for a big supermarket chain and thought it ridiculous to waste a holiday with the tedium of travel when you had the wonderful variety of County Angus, the weather and the seasons all on your doorstep. And the beach and sea were only 15 miles away.

And perhaps people are not so different good and bad, most airts of the world.
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aljok.23,

The world 25/08/2009 08:21:10
I would suggest that the world media are pushing this story until they arrive at the satisfied end of knowing who was really responsible for the mass murder, Pan Am 103, was it to avoid a war with Iran and USA for the mass murder committed by USA on Iran.
If the worlds media keep pushing then governments may topple over this. It wont be Scotlands government though.
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Obanite,

25/08/2009 08:21:41
AMERICANS!

If you would like to boycott Scotland, may I politely suggest you start with the following products:

Johnny Walker, Dalwhinnie, Talisker, Lagavulin, The Dalmore, Isle of Jura, Glayva, Fettercairn.

Your help would be appreciated.
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donnelly,

25/08/2009 08:34:25
#90 John Z ..

Off coarse it is John ....you are only entering the strange and twisted mind views of Mad Maddox

I really wonder what happened to him as a child to be so totally vindictive of anything Scottish ?

Maddox where you abused by a Haggis ?
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hatinhaggis,

maryland, usa 25/08/2009 08:38:06
After seeing how the Scottish government works and reading how the Scottish citizens feel, I would definitely boycott anything Scottish if I could think of anything that I would ever use from there. Haggis, whiskey, shortbread and kilts aren't things which I will ever be purchasing. As far as spending tourist dollars there, why would I want to go and see nasty, snaggle toothed, bitter alcoholics with a chip on their shoulder when I can see that on a vacation in London?
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Jambo-ree,

25/08/2009 08:46:57
#95 Poor attempt at a wind up by a pseudo Yank.

Anyway, you'd have thought that with the latest revelations about CIA torture and general inhumane interrogation techniques the Americans would have found somthing else to get outraged about. Two faced as per.

"One part of Scotland's promotion in the US is the annual Tartan Week held in April and there has been speculation that politicians and businesses will boycott the events". It'll all be long forgotten about by then.

Meantime it's working a treat for Obama by shifting attention away from his health reform proposals. Can people not see when they are being manipulated?
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Tynietiger,

25/08/2009 08:49:56
The silent majority in Scotland is swinging behind MacAskill according Herald letters and BBC callers.
Perhaps the Times this morning explains why Saltires were flying in Tripoli.

" British and other Western expatriates living in Libya were warned in April that they faced serious repercussions if the Lockerbie bomber died in his Scottish prison.
Word went out that there could be reprisals . . . . We were told not to go into the centre of Tripoli, said one of the thousands of Westerners who are helping to develop Libya’s oil and gas fields. Everybody went “˜****!”
It’s so unpredictable here. You don’t know what’s going to happen. It could be something or it could be nothing.
The expats were not told what the reprisals might be were Abdul Baset Ali al-Megrahi to die in Scotland, but the tale of a Swiss citizen called Max Goeldi may be instructive. Mr Goeldi has spent much of the past year holed up in Switzerland’s largely deserted embassy, unable to leave Libya and too frightened to set foot on the streets of Tripoli.
"
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Tynietiger,

25/08/2009 08:54:16
Hatinhaggis.. Whiskey is Irish not Scotch as you call it.

Gordon Brown has just sent a telegram to Kenny MacAskill congratulating him on his win but requesting that celebrations be kept low key LoL
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Ugly American,

Ugly, America 25/08/2009 08:59:03
As an American this article strikes me as generally odd but rather typical of a British paper, and I say this as a Europhile with the prefix 'Mac' in my surname.

To suggest there is any attention being paid to the UK generally - or Scotland specifically - is rather wishful ... we pay as much attention to these internal intrigues in our assorted client states like Poland, the Federated States of Micronesia, the UK, Guam, Columbia, etc. as you probably pay to the Bosnian Eurovision national finals.

The majority of Americans don't know what a Scotland is or what you do with one.

The Scotsman's article presents a view of the importance placed on your little country that just doesn't exist in real life here. I don't mean that to be discourteous, just a statement of reality. It's like the rambunctious little child, once again, acting naughty to try to get daddy's attention. Sadly - and this may be our [US] failing as a nation - we still aren't paying attention and it is, once again, to our own detriment as I'm sure you probably have some redeeming cultural contribution that we could make our own and - in doing so - elevate and illuminate to new levels of radiance and brilliance that would be lost if relegated to just a remote ethnic enclave in the North Sea.

Calm down. The client state relationship is on sound footing. We will continue to order you to send your citizens to Us for trial in Our courts as it pleases and you will continue to obey. We will still station
arms and munitions on your territory as we occasionally see fit. We will continue to order you to deploy your native police units such as your 'Royal Navy' and 'RAF' etc., as support elements to our own adventures as we find it necessary and you will, as always, be loyally obedient. But I don't have to enunciate this. You know it all to be true. You've seen it all to be true.

Worry not, your status as a rural ethnic enclave of the North Sea Province of the EU will never jeopardize the client
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 08:59:43
"The whisky industry yesterday highlighted its concerns about the impact on trade after one US politician, New York state senator Andrew Lanza, identified Scottish drinks giant Diageo as a target for boycotts" - If anyone else is concerned that a US politician (perhaps it is significant that he is of Italian descent) is suggesting a boycott of an industry that has already been badly hit by recession as some sort of "collective punishment", then they may care to contact the good senator directly:
http://www.nysenate.gov/senator/andrew-j-lanza
This from the website from this pinheaded Republican:
"Senator Lanza also suggested that Americans exert economic pressure on Scotland to express our dissatisfaction with their dangerous decision. Lanza suggested for instance that Americans trade in their Johnnie Walker for America spirits. Lanza also believes that the Royal Bank of Scotland, now part of Lloyds Banking Group, should be made to repay American bailout dollars it received through AIG".
Lanza previously worked in the office of New York District Attorney Robert Morgenthau, son of Henry M. of Morgenthau Plan infamy. Perhaps Lanza has his own "Morgenthau Plan" for Scotland by encouraging his fellow citizens to do their level best th damage the economy of an ally.
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The Former Mr. Angry,

Perth 25/08/2009 09:01:50
We didn't hear too much protest when UK got involved in the War on Terror inspired by Bush and Blair outright lies. If the full facts were revealed about Megrahi's conviction there would in all probability be red faces all round. The oil deals liked to his release, the unrevealed evidence showing what we know not but possibly not conducive to the current howls of outrage.

MacAskill in my view has been straight down the middle on this one unlike some of the others involved such as Brown (silent) and Mandelson (denials, but we've been there before) and Bliar, not called that for nothing and has discussed the subject of release in ignorance of Scots Law and Scottish government jurisdiction. Labour would love the mess to stick to the SNP but this strategy is backfiring.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 09:07:18
#95 hatinhaggis,maryland, usa - "why would I want to go and see nasty, snaggle toothed, bitter alcoholics with a chip on their shoulder" - Yes indeed, why leave the comfort of you own home even..............
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 09:09:58
"damage the economy of an ally"

Please don't mistake your status to us as that of a peer.

We do not have allies. We have nations with whom an occasional relationship is in our best interest. These may be attached and discarded as the winds blow.

As the Conquering Leviathan of the Revolutionary Colossus, Gen. George Washington, famously remarked in his Farewell Address to the Republic - memorized by every American schoolchild -

"Europe has a set of primary interests, which to us have none, or a very remote relation. Our detached and distant situation invites and enables us to pursue a different course. Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence the jealousy of a free people ought be awake; history and experience prove, that foreign influence is one of the most baneful foes of Republican Government. It will be our true policy to steer clear of permanent alliances with any portion of the foreign world."

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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 09:19:53
#103 Ugly American Fascist - "We do not have allies" - with an attitude like your's, you certainly would not have for long.
"Conquering Leviathan of the Revolutionary Colossus, Gen. George Washington"? A Prussian trained your army, a Scot founded your navy and without the direct and indirect help of France, Washington would have ended life on the end of a rope as a disloyal subject of King George.
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The Scotchman,

25/08/2009 09:28:17
Nothing but rubbish to scare Scots into not voting SNP.

The Americans seem more interested what drugs were inserted into what orifice of Michael Jackson.

#95 more pretend posts by London Liebore voters
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AJ Fife,

25/08/2009 09:30:53
Maddox spinning mair peesh......again:)

He's trying to cause a storm in a 'D' cup!

That's because he's such a t!t! :)

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St. George,

England 25/08/2009 09:31:10
Since the Americans don't seem to know the difference between Scottish Whisky and Irish Whiskey, they will be boycotting the Irish as well.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 09:31:51
"Would have" but did not as he enjoyed a monumental, immortal personality who dominated foreigners by sheer force of will, extracting what resources were necessary then discarding when no longer useful, or turning them from master into subject if they were pleasurable, as in the revolutionary heroes the Marquis de Lafayette or Baron Von Steuben. But the history of your North Sea ethnic enclave seems built on "if only we had ..." and "it would be different had ..." so I understand why you use this verbiage and I appreciate and cherish this cultural difference between us.

But again please don't be mistaken. You are not an ally. You are a convenience that is slightly higher in order of precedence of our gaze than Columbia but slightly lower than Canada.

No one likes a fawning sycophant, even the master. If your country acts like servile trash in front of us what kind of treatment do you expect to earn from us?

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Obanite,

25/08/2009 09:32:06
Ugly American,

I am sure that you hit it on the head. And that frankly, even the most dedicated boycotter will grow bored. For example, If I wanted to boycott French goods, frankly, I'd get as far as my first roast lamb before uncorking a bottle of claret...in other words, I'd last about a week. And in the meantime, I'd have probably been tucking in to camembert and driving my peugeot to the patisserie without thinking twice about it!





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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 09:33:55
Obanite - yours is an erudite and well-versed point, to be sure.
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Jambo-ree,

25/08/2009 09:34:03
Just taken a look at the 'Boycott' site. It is so one-sided with only links to comments supporting their view added with blanket censorship on any letters or comments arguing against their case on the flimsiest of grounds. So much for democracy and debate in the land of the free.

Anyway, the day of the big bucks US tourist has been over for a long time now as increasingly they have allowed themselves to become terrorised into not leaving their own borders.

For the new big spenders we need to look to the east - to Russia and its former satellites and in the near future to China and later to India.

Don't see what they expect to gain by a boycott now anyway. What's done is done and won't be undone. So far as I'm aware there are no other terrorists who had US victims incarcerated in Scottish prisons. But let's close our airports and airspace to those clandestine flights the US authorities like to use to shuttle suspects around for interrogation.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 09:40:04
"But let's close our airports and airspace to those clandestine flights the US authorities like to use to shuttle suspects around for interrogation."

But you won't. Sad, wistful dreaming on a message board of an independence from Us that will never come to pass.

Limited as it now is to internet courage, your gasping breath of freedom from Yankee expansion flitters away in the wind. The real world actions of your fawning, servile, sycophancy to Us speaks louder than occasional message board posts of outrage at the abusive way it pleases Us to treat you.
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Class On Grass,

Oiling the water 25/08/2009 09:52:10

#55 dahli mama No glee on the streets.
Only disbelief, then upset, distress for the suffering and the lives lost, worry about the implications.
I agree, that this is all about oil though. What if Scotland were to be an independent oil-rich country. Surely the USA would not be looking for excuses to impose their will now, would they? Cynical of me, I know.
Then Traquair pours oil on the water...

#56 Traq - Spot on. Its not a news article in mainland Europe either.

Are the claws drawing in now? Everyone seems to be cosying up today. Even the spittle-flecked Bill Brann.

#70 Carolyn - not soon enough for some.

#71 Saltire - wasnt it the CIA director.
And then Obama moves high value prisoner interrogations from their juridiction...

#75 Kampung - Intriguing. And Megrahi has nothing to lose by speaking out now
(surely no-one would threaten his family)

#76 d1carter, aye hospitality and compassion.
Well said.
As ever, it is the politicians who infect and sour the natural good relations. I put it down to their being socially inept, the type who sat (h) in stinky breeks in the corner while others laugh at them. Usually this is their first job. Same applies in the UK for the Scots-English relatiionship. We are all JT's bairns, but we have upset those who grab power to cover their inadequacies.

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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 09:53:59
#108 Ugly - Your neauseating hero-worship aside, the British trained Washington would have achieved little without foreign help. Something you should recal before making rash statement like "We do not have allies". In any case, I can't imaging what Washington would make of the bullying mongrel nation that the US has become.
When the nation does not act as "servile trash" (surely you have enough such trash at home?) as you put it, we have demented Yanks calling for boycotts and polluting our newspapers. Pity that the boycott could not start with the Scotsman site...............
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Heather B,

Anstruther 25/08/2009 09:54:48
#76 - You are the voice of sense and reason. Wish there were more like you!

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Jambo-ree,

25/08/2009 09:57:20
#112 Sadly you're possibly right as our politicians are as two faced as a US citizen.

But did we not just demonstrate our independence? If we were as sycophantic as you believe would we not have kept Megrahi in prison the first time Hillary commented on it?

This whole furore is simply because we DID choose to be independent and not roll over like a good little lap dog. And that's what really sticks the craw of folk like you.

It's done - time to move on.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 09:57:35
"Anyway, the day of the big bucks US tourist has been over for a long time now as increasingly they have allowed themselves to become terrorised into not leaving their own borders"

When have Americans ever left our own borders? Less than half our population have passports. The founders - the great revolutionary leviathan: Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Franklin - warned of the corruption and trash decadence of the foreign world and it is a message taken to heart. It is demeaning to Us to have you in Our presence.

As the third verse of our national anthem says in reference to you - "Their blood has washed out their foul footsteps' pollution. No refuge could save those hirelings and slaves; from the terror of flight, or the gloom of their grave ..."
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Peter20,

25/08/2009 09:59:59
Does anybody even care what the Americans think here in Scotland? No - we know you'll all come flooding over to visit us in huge numbers as always once the story stops being big news.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 10:08:12
"But did we not just demonstrate our independence? If we were as sycophantic as you believe would we not have kept Megrahi in prison the first time Hillary commented on it?"

Did you? Look at any American newspaper and see where this news is buried. Do we really care you released Megrahi or ... do you wish we cared? On anything that makes the front page of our papers do you dare not do what daddy commands? Do you dare not send your citizens for the judgment of our courts, or your native police forces to support our foriegn adventures?

I write this while looking at a $20 bill, emblazoned with the visage of Gen. Jackson in which the scar illegally given him by a Scottish officer is visible as a reminder to all Americans of his inspiring story.

After capture as a 13 year-old soldier of the great revolutionary leviathan, Jackson refused to clean the boots of the trash Scot officer, proclaiming "I am a prisoner and demand treatment as such", refusing even as the criminal Scotsman sliced his face with a sabre.

What delight Gen. Jackson would later take executing his British prisoners after the Battle of New Orleans some 30 years later! It's a story all American schoolchildren know well and earned him his visage on the $20 bill.

It is important to Us that you remain in a client relationship (what, in British English is termed a 'special relationship'). The defeated should not be cast aside as we could have done, rather held firmly under heel as an inspiration to our own glorification.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 10:11:31
The American man-in-the-street may not pay much attention to the UK BUT the City of London is a big player in global politics and economics. As well as legit operations in money and commodities anything that can be traded is: drugs, arms, women ... They handle numerous offshore bank accounts. Arms for oil? Any day of the week, and if you want a terrorist outrage wherever, they'll fund and organise it for you.

Did the empire really end? The Union Jacks went down on the former colonies, but the very same game's played, same as before : what George Washinton warned you about. And you've never been more entangled.
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Roy,

25/08/2009 10:11:39
This is the same country that a few years ago went in the huff with France and so decided to rename French Fries as Freedom Fries.

Need any more be said?

As several posters have noted, boycotts can work two ways. But also remember that not all Americans are paranoid.
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Englebert Humperdinck,

Here and there 25/08/2009 10:11:56
There never was anything such as the "Big buck American tourist". That drivel is complete myth.
Yeah! Your dead right, less than half the population has passports. That number was 8% until a chnage in the law stopping people crossing the Mexican and Canadian borders with drivers licenses. Now 30% have a passports.
You tryed the same thing with the French a few years ago and had impact on France what so ever.

The Yanks have brainwashed themselves into not leaving their own borders not terroised themselves. It is a brainwashed nation and certainly not the "land of the free". It is the restricted land of the free that brainwashes nuggets like you Ugly!
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Englebert Humperdinck,

Here and there 25/08/2009 10:15:39
Gen Jackson was a D!ck Head like all Yankees like you Ugly!
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 10:20:11
Andrew Jackson was a leading advocate of the ethnic cleansing of American Indians and slavery and murdered POWs. Sounds like a typical American soldier........
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Englebert Humperdinck,

Here and there 25/08/2009 10:24:15
Sorry! I thought we were talking about Michael Jackson!
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Jambo-ree,

25/08/2009 10:25:17
#117/119 - Nice to see you agree this is just a storm in a tea cup. Now, if you were REAL American I'd shout yipee at that but as you're just a wind up merchant it's not worth it.

"Have a nice day now, y'hear"
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 10:27:09
I wish to respond to the comment left by the Ugly American. I am an American of Scottish decent. I sat on my grandfathers lap and listened to him speak Gaelic.I have been to Scotland.My entire family have been to Scotland.I don't agree with letting this bomber go home. If a plane full of Scotts was blown up over the US the person responsible would never see the light of day again. Ever! That being said, there are more people of British decent and Scottish decent living in America than you might realize.Who do you think started this country?We as a people do NOT discount Scotland in any way.For better or worse we are joined at hip. A great deal of Americas heart is in the Scotland and I think the Scottish people know that.The comments left by the Ugly American don't sound like any comments by any American I've ever known. God bless Scotland
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Mashimaro,

China 25/08/2009 10:27:41
#1 boycotts don't work. The ones against south africa just made it better and stronger. Ditto those against China.
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El Franko,

25/08/2009 10:29:26
What a revealing burst of comments!

Me, I love the USA. Despite being on the verge of decay due to the Democrats, it is still the greatest country ever.

As for Tartan Week, we could do without it. A silly theme for national promotion in my view. Scotland has so much more to offer, but that does not include political sense. At least, not since Adam Smith and David Hume passed away.
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Man On Corstorphine Omnibus,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 10:29:43
So one anonymous Yank claims that he has cancelled a two-week trip to Scotland planned for 26 August? Aye right.

Cancelling a holiday for such a spurious reason and within such a short period would mean this person and his entourage losing the entire cost of the holiday - air fare, hotels, etc.

He's more likely to be one of those insular Americans who never ventures anywhere outside the land of the free.
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PictiScot,

25/08/2009 10:33:08
I would be doing the same had I still lived in US. The political class are destroying the rich legacy left by our ancestors.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 10:33:10
For a browbeaten ethnic minority you Scots are all quite the talkative lot! I'll have to address all your comments in one post:

"the City of London"

What does London have to do with your little ethnic ghetto at the tip of the North Sea Province, honey? Don't you have something to be proud of in your own country?

"As several posters have noted, boycotts can work two ways. But also remember that not all Americans are paranoid."

What an adorable, absolutely precious David vs. Goliath challenge that would be! You guys are TOO precious! I want to cuddle you all up and take you home with me! I don't travel outside North America, except on necessary business, otherwise I want to come over and just drown you in kisses you are so cute and plucky - it's like Malta doggedly entering Eurovision each year! Such pluck you have! Adorable! :) :) :)

"You tryed the same thing with the French a few years ago and had impact on France what so ever."

Once again - there are *no* Americans boycotting Scotland or anywhere else, despite what the Scotsman reports. This has barely registered as a blip on the radar of our news. We barely know where France is, none of us know what or where Scotland is, or care ... these talk of boycotts are conversations you're having with yourselves. That's it.

"Gen Jackson was a D!ck Head like all Yankees like you Ugly!"

Probably! In fact, I'm sure many of your kin felt the same way as they were being put to the sword after surrendering to him.

"Andrew Jackson was a leading advocate of murdered POWs."

I'm not sure if you're trying to insult me? I was the one who brought up - in celebratory tone - that we unabashedly fete Gen. Jackson for his mass execution of British POWs.

Obviously, as a mere servile nation you are not in a position for similar gross demonstrations as it would displease us. Now be nice or we may order you extradited to the comforting embrace of our bossom, the bossom of our nation which is the only weste
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Obanite,

25/08/2009 10:38:24
Malta? Like, where the Maltese Tranny lives?

Indeed.
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 10:41:44
The Ugly American doesn't really sound like an American to me. Where exactly in the US are you from?
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 10:42:37
We just can't bring ourselves to admit the Americans are right and we have been idiots (at best) to release a mass murderer/bomber .....

Scotland is in danger of becoming a 'bitter wee nation' - we hate the English, We hate the Americans ... strangely they seem to like us though ... one way friendships seldom last.

America is appalled at the fact that our corrupt politicians got a nudge and wink and 'spun' the law via MacAskill's to release a convicted bomber/mass murderer without an proper Acquittal -- we just let him go .....

Frankly I can see there point clearly! - I also see the 'wee bitter' Scots-slime, of which there is oodles in the political class, who would cut off their nose to spite their face scuttling about trying to justify a horrific mockery of justice.

They would rather prance around 'demonstrating their independence' that give a thought to doing the right thing ..... they are all about ego and posturing backed up with no substance, conscience or commitment to any cause except the glorification of themselves.

All the Scots narcissistic government and law makers have done is demonstrate their arrogance and lack of regard for human life.

I am a Scot - and Scotland should be ashamed of this. The people need to vote these idiots responsible out and get going with a government that cares less about poncing about, can put their conceit and self absorbtion to one side and get on with governing for the common good rather than own vanity.....
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 10:43:02
Sorry, I have to say night-night everyone.

Just remember, there is no American boycott of Scotland. Boycotts require the boycotters to know that something exists. At present, and despite the image of grandeur presented by the Scotsman as to Americans view of your ethnic enclave, most Americans think Scotland is a town in South Dakota resided in by native Czech speakers (which it actually is).

Also remember, this news isn't making page 20 of any of our newspapers. If it were on the front page of our papers as it is on the front page of yours then none of this would have happened. On any issue that is important to us you will likely continue to loyally obey our orders in a very lap-dog manner as you always have done before. So, celebrate in your message board courage at a controversy that doesn't exist. Next week it's back to business as usual: daddy ordering the North Sea Province about.

(BTW get that re%^$d Gary McKinnon on a boat over here quick, we issued a direct order and are losing patience.)
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen (That's in Germany for the benefit of U 25/08/2009 10:45:50
#132 Ugly American - "we unabashedly fete Gen. Jackson for his mass execution of British POWs" - Nice. Don't think you would be too happy if we "unabashedly fete" Jochen Peiper for executing US POWs at Malmedy.
All empires come and go and even the British Empire which covered a quarter of the globe a century ago, is reduced to next to nothing. The US empire will go the same way and is already in decline but you will always have your "heros" on a few worthless banknotes.
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 10:46:21
I think the Ugly American is Irish!
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 10:54:02
"Don't think you would be too happy if we "unabashedly fete" Jochen Peiper for executing US POWs at Malmedy."

We already addressed this.

You don't.

Because you can't.

It would be displeasing to us.

Your leadership caste has decided it can't afford to displease us. Meanwhile, we treat you as we see fit.

"The US empire will go the same way"

This is true and I am cognizant of it. The only difference is that, when we go - and it may be soon - the world is going with us. There are peculiarities to our weltanscheung and disposition of power that didn't exist with the British, Roman or Sasanian Empires.

This is the final empire.

This is why your leadership caste is fawning at our fading glory. Your survival is tied directly to our longevity (but not visa versa).

tick-tock-tick-tock ...

(OK, sweeties, I really need to get to bed now! No kidding this time!)
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The Rattler,

Scottish Borders 25/08/2009 10:58:00
Mr Ugly certainly gets worked up about something he claims is not even newsworthy in the States now!

If the boycott means that folk like him won't visit here, how lucky we are!!!!
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Arminius,

Ewiges Deutschland 25/08/2009 11:00:41
#139 Ugly American - We can and some do. As I said, the power of the US empire is on the wane and you should have implemented the Morgenthau Plan whilst you had the chance.
When you empire goes belly up you will be surprised how few friends you have (no allies, right?) and none will want to follow you into oblivion. Europe has survived everything thrown at it for 2000 year and will survive the end of your mongrel empire.
Off to bo-bos now - hope you don't have nightmares about the British Army burning the White House.
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 11:01:10
55 "The first time I became aware of how much the Scots hate us was after 9/11 when my daughter-in-law spoke to cousins back home and was told how much glee there was in the streets"

Whoever told you that was lying. Everywhere I went within Scotland at the time of 9/11 I saw shell-shocked Scots who were grieving the loss of life.

Never once did I see of hear "glee".
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 11:07:53
141 :-

The poor old British army have had to put up with the worst foe an army could face - a labour government ! The army are great but there is about three of them in a series 1 landrover, the navy has a rowing boat or two, and the RAF have two sopwith camels .... thats all they can afford on labours armed forces budget (they say it is £37 billion - which is pitiful it should be closer to £100 billion) but after it washes through the 107 layers of beaurocracy the 'front line' gets about a tenth .... disgraceful example of how phoney jobs and red tape eat money ...
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 11:10:59
127 William

I agree with the release but otherwise we share the same sentiments.

I look forward to my annual trip to the USA in March. Here's hoping it won't be my last!
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 11:17:12
127 William

Which part of Scotland did your ancestors come from? I'm guessing the western Isles. Skye?
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:19:35
You folks in the ethnic enclave are so easily riled that I can't log off before half a dozen new response appear - too precious! Now let's make this the final word - please! My little head is sleepy-weepy!

"Never once did I see of hear "glee"."

On business in Inverness following that tragic event I witnessed Scots celebrating and dancing in the streets like their slope-headed barbarian ancestors once did prior to the English grinding of them. I felt some empathy to what Gen. Jackson felt when the criminal Scottish army officer felled him with a sabre as a 13 year old soldier in the army of the revolution captured as a Scottish prisoner.

"Mr Ugly certainly gets worked up about something he claims is not even newsworthy in the States now!"

As I previously said I'm a Europhile so find this titilating and interesting! I also feel some responsibility to represent reality as one of only two Americans who has wandered through this dusty corner of the web.

"As I said, the power of the US empire is on the wane ..."

Who are you arguing with? I already said the "US empire" [sic] is on the wane. (Though it is sad when one's national self-worth is limited to the hope that a nation riding rough-shod over his own might eventually meet the same fate of collapse that befell his.)

The only divergence in our thinking is that you, incorrectly, think the rest of the world will be given a choice as to whether or not to follow us into the void.

There will be no handy form with a checkbox to mark "Yes" or "No" ... when the time comes that one decision is left us at the pinnacle of our collapse you may see the innner mindset of a nation that erected a statue across from the White House to a general who famously executed dozens of British POWs. A few holidays in Florida, dear friend, does not give you an inner privilege to our world view and our ordained place in the cosmos. Like I said, this is the Last Empire ... when we go, the world is coming with us - whethe
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TheDisplacedGlaswegian,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 11:19:35
#135 voldemort - that's the most cringeworthy post I've ever read. You bring shame on yourself posting that p1 sh.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 11:22:04
.. enjoyed your crack (craic in Irish), Ugly George

-- our little ethnic

From our heady mongrel hybred stock of Picts, Gaels, Norse, Anglo there's a big influx of Poles, Pakistanis, Italians, Africans in fact from everywhere the Empire once was red and from where it wasn't.

To get personal, what am I proud of? To be honest not very much. I haven't written a seminal paper on connective physics, don't play the guitar as well as I could, haven't built the big boat yet though repaired the small one, have neglected the garden somewhat this year.

Yet from the above mix, many folk here are good at their jobs, raise loving families, are neighborly, pleasant spoken, help out their friends and offer the hospitality of their humble abode to the peacable stranger. Despite the most godawful government in Europe ever seen in recent years. What more can a man do?

Aha, but what is Scotland geopolitical significance in the big picture?

It's where the spoils of the world get divided by the ultrarich and powerful. They meet in a secluded 5 star hotel at cosmic secrecy ever since the 7 sisters (big oil) initiated it. Who'll be here? Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Russians and all the usual European and S American dynasties. What's the agenda?

Change is afoot.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 11:23:47
119 Old Hickory - bloody oppressor of the Cherokees
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:24:31
uh ... someone prep the padded room, please
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 11:25:05
135 - suffering fae a severe dose o' the Cringe.
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livilion,

livingston 25/08/2009 11:25:21
#55 dahlimama,Ny state

Glee is it?

There was as much glee in Lockerbie, Scotland on christmas 1988 as there was in New York on 9/11.
The only glee is the the on the faces of Exxon Mobil and Occidental Petroleum executives counting the oil dollars being made on deals with Megrahi's comander Col.Gadaffi, the guy who gave the executive order to blow up PanAm flight 103, which gleefully for us Scots landed on our town, exploded, destroyed our homes and killed our residents on the ground. Our worst ever terrorist outrage in a country used to living with American sponsored Irish terrorists.

What you Yanks call 'collateral damage' I believe, so I guess for you doesn't count?

I hear there are now moves in Ireland to sue those Americans who sponsored Gadaffi's satelites, the IRA, for thirty years resulting in huge loss of life and damage to property here in the UK.

I think dahlimama speaks with forked tongue.
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 11:29:11
146 Ugly

"On business in Inverness following that tragic event I witnessed Scots celebrating and dancing in the streets"

Sorry Ugly, but you are clearly lying. No-one on here believes you.
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Sedov,

25/08/2009 11:29:12
Who cares, Scotland's fantastic beauty and generous hospitality speaks for itself.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 11:31:40
146 'when we go the world is coming with us'

as you said dude, 'someone prep the padded room'.

Toodle pip !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 11:33:48
153 - ugly is away with the fairies.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:34:07
"American sponsored Irish terrorists"

I think you mean American-supported freedom fighters; we're obligated to support any people struggling against the yoke of oppression of the Saxe-Coburg hat, as we did ourselves. Conscience obligate us to help beleagured Irish patriots struggling for freedom against tyranny.

Anyway, I don't feel much regret after seeing Scots dance in the streets after 9/11 while in Inverness on business.

"bloody oppressor of the Cherokees"

Once again, I'm not sure whom you're trying to insult? We don't care about your PC obsession. We venerate strength and celebrate the vanquish of the weak. You did too, once, long ago.

Jackson didn't just "oppress" the Cherokee. He wiped them out. Just like he put your kin to the sword after the Battle of New Orleans. It's really quite wonderful and inspiring.

Of the many statues to President Gen. Jackson across our Republic, this one in Jacksonville is my personal favorite:

http://images.frontdoor.com/FDOOR/0-City-Pages/Jacksonville/Andrew-Jackson-Statue_54734.jpg
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 11:37:31
157 - yer at the lash !
157

Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 11:38:45
Ugly is spinnin his rod, hopin somebody'll bite...
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:40:04
Hoping? Read the thread, I've almost maxed my entire fishing license.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 11:42:04
#146 Ugly American - Go to bed spotty.......
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Miss H,

25/08/2009 11:43:17
There are clearly a group of barking mad, sub-normal Americans stalking the internet - e.g. Ugly American - denouncing Scotland for having its own legal system but they in no way reflect the majority of the American population. So let's not get into an anti-American mindset here.

What really concerns me however is that some Scottish politicians seem to believe that we should allow judicial decisions to be influenced by an internet hate campaign being carried on by these people.
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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 25/08/2009 11:45:41
Anybody spot the similarity between "Ugly American" and "Galactic Cannibal, Murietta, USA"?
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livilion,

livingston 25/08/2009 11:47:08
157 Ugly American
The 'War on Terror' in your books is only a war on those terrorists who target the US or can gain US companies opportunities to exploit their homelands' resources for US gain?
Your closest Allies for over a century can go to the devil when it suits. How very Stalinist of you!

Just as well on this side of the pond we can distinguish between the likes of you, your political class and the 'real' Americans we meet on the street. You'd do well to learn to do the same.

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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:47:28
Arminius - I'll be having sweet dreams of our 7th president putting your ancestors to the sword after they'd surrendered in New Orleans in 1814! Thankfully Gary McK and your other fellow citizens we order you to send to our embrace - orders which you will obey as you always do - will be treated better (maybe not much better, though).

Here's another favorite statue to Gen. Jackson in the Marquis de Lafayette Park in Washington, DC:

http://www.kittytours.org/thatman2/search.asp?subject=25

It is surrounded by four period cannon he captured from the Spanish insects that had infested Florida.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:48:59
"The 'War on Terror' in your books is only a war on those terrorists who target the US or can gain US companies opportunities to exploit their homelands' resources for US gain?"

correct

"Your closest Allies for over a century can go to the devil when it suits."

correct

(see my post above where I quote the eternal lesson given to us by Gen. Washington regarding corrupting foreign influence and the unreliability of permanent alliances)

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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 11:51:55
They are clones or sisters.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 11:54:11
#165 Ugly - Like Pilrig wrote, you are away wi' the faries but if your trolling keeps you off the streets....
Have your sweet dreams about murdering unarmed POWs after the war was over; a habit the US Army carried on through the years to the present day.
Toot, toot on your little trumpet - start the boycott tomorrow......
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:56:21
Decadent foreigners are frequently disturbed when they hear honest opinions of average Americans unguised by civil niceties and unrestrained in a way that only the anonymity of the internet can afford.

I wish I were related to this Galactic Cannibal person as he/she/it sounds delightful. I'm afraid only to report to you that your worst opinions of Americans are all true. But I'm not ashamed that we venerate strength and you venerate weakness. This is why we have crushed you and harnessed you as a client state in the engine of our power, after all.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 11:58:28
"start the boycott tomorrow"

Once again - what boycott?

No one in America is talking about a boycott. A boycott requires us to know where or what Scotland is and, as I previously said, most Americans don't.

You are the only ones talking about a boycott. But if it makes you feel good about yourselves to pretend daddy is paying attention, good on you!
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 11:58:47
#169 Ugly American - Toot, toot......
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:00:56
(Pilrig - as you can see, Arminius is the biggest one I've landed. I didn't even need a rod to reel him in; just scooped him out of the lake! I don't know why they call it trolling, it makes it sound so much harder than it is.)
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Arminius,

25/08/2009 12:02:08
#172 Ugly American - Toot, toot, toot........
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:03:37
Arminius - seriously, you look a little foolish now. You do know I'm not American, right?
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 12:04:48
169 - yep GC where is he these days, sorely missed.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 12:06:09
174 "and my other pseudonym's Rufus....."
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:06:21
#174 Ugly - Don't doubt you are ugly though. You do know I'm not a Germanic Prince don't you?
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The Scotchman,

25/08/2009 12:06:26
I see Boycott Scotland is now a pun / comedy site asking for the banning of tyres, bicycles, roads, fax, stamps, etc. It is not supposed to be serious. Quite the opposite.

Look at the links where it says "the people of a democratic nation are responsible for its leadership" then links to George Bush.

And "If you do have a suspension bridge in your area please consider contacting your local government official and demand its removal."

I am certain the media exposure yesterday rightfully created a backlash - not support - despite what London Liebore & Friends were saying to 'scare' Scots.

The tides are really turning here. This can now be totally blown off. Look for this NOT to be reported on EBC, Sly News, North Britman, etc.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:07:47
Does "Germanic Prince" = Jewish tranny? I think you might be.
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 12:09:41
145 Albahomeland My great grandfather was a river pilot based in Greenock,and that is where my grand father is from as with all my other relatives from the Greenock area.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:11:02
#179 Ugly - That would make you a cleless dork then.......maybe you think Jochen Peiper was a nice Jewish boy too?
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 12:11:17
147 - 151 ---- bitter wee scots - trying to bring the reputation of the country down to their low and bigoted standards doubtless.

I don't how anyone can fail to understand the disbelief and anger that this total sham and miscarriage of justice, back door deal has caused throughout the world.

The corruption and downright dishonesty, which masquerades as 'compassion' rather disgustingly, is evident for all to see - that is to those with half a brain or more.

The only difference between Brady, Hindley, Sutcliffe, Manson and the Lockerbie Bomber is that Brady, Hindley, Sutcliffe, Manson didn't kill 270 people between them --- and the Lockerbie Bomber walks free .... and some idiots in this country think that is a good thing ....

At very best that demonstrates a very skewed logic - I simply believe that no one can be that stupid. If you can justify releasing mass murderer you cannot do so unless you have ulterior motives .... that is the state for your ....

The only motive the pro-bomber posters have here - is sticking two fingers up to America mainly and England ..... if that is what you wish to base your core values on then so be it -- it is bigoted, conceited, bitter and twisted but if thats how you wish to defined thats fine by me !

Ugly American is not here and i am sure there is alot on 'kneejerk' going on -- ultimately the 'pro-bomber' camp have not a leg to stand on. There has been a huge mistake here and people are rightfully upset.
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Voldemort,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 12:12:06
Sorry that should have read 'Ugly American is not helping here' ..... last para ....
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The Scotchman,

25/08/2009 12:14:32
178 Aaahhh, there's two sites on the go (com and uk) with the same name. Never knew. The only links I had seen were for the uk one.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:16:25
178 - aside from the easy prey like Arminus who didn't get that I'm a Welsh troll as glaringly obvious as it should be, the one element of truth in what I said is that this "outrage by Americans" does appear entirely to exist in the imagination of the Scottish newspapers and their readers. It's front-page story here. Here are the front page stories in the US:

Los Angeles Times (latimes.com):
"Swine Flu May Kill 90,000"

Houston Chronicle (chron.com):
"Jackson Had Lethal Levels of Drugs"

Chicago Sun (suntimes.com):
"Feds Subpeona Chicago School Principal"

Wall Street Journal (wsj.com):
"Obama to Reappoint Bernake as Fed Chief"

I've also talked to two friends in the US and they had no idea what I was talking about - a direct quote from one, "oh yeah, I think I read someone about that Palestinian [sic] getting released or something?" Maybe they're just unusually stupid but I don't think so.
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Floppy Boot Stomp,

25/08/2009 12:16:50
Perhaps the parade could dispense with the Tartan for one year.
I suggest everyone taking part wear a bright orange boiler suit with manacles at wrist and ankle just to concentrate the minds (difficult,I know but bear with me)of those who think OUR justice system needs overhauling...
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:19:08
"I suggest everyone taking part wear a bright orange boiler suit with manacles at wrist and ankle just to concentrate the minds (difficult,I know but bear with me)of those who think OUR justice system needs overhauling..."

I suggest your mind needs the most work of all if you so greedily eat up every little piece of jingoistic, chest-thumping bait dangled in front of you by the Scotsman without spending 45 seconds online to see if it is borne out by the world of reality.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:20:49
#185 Ugly - Like I said, so long as your trolling keeps you off the streets and away from real people......
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awantapassport,

rainysoothcoast 25/08/2009 12:21:28
Another day, another chance for the idiots to don fake American personas and continue this non story. Human beings have very short memories when it comes to media inspired hype. More strength to Kenny MacAskill and the Scottish Government. Standing up for the morals and decency of the average Scot.
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 12:21:42
I would still like to know where the Ugly American is from in America. I wonder what part of the country feels the way he does.
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awantapassport,

25/08/2009 12:24:29
190 - He's from Wales... I believe it's the 56th State?
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25/08/2009 12:24:49
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 12:30:19
Must be a lot to be angry in Wales.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:33:32
my god, you Scots are such frackin insular dandies obsessed with the idea of someone loving or hating you - refusing to accept the notion that no one cares about you one way or the other - that you make Yanks like Will look like Marie-Claire Blais

as easy as it was for me to pretend to be a moron Yank no wonder the Scotsman has so thoroughly guiled all of you idiots into thinking the Americans are obsessing over the price of sheep s**t in Aberdeen ... even when the reality is 3 mouse clicks away you pigheadedly refuse to believe the idea that people aren't huddled around campfires discussing Scotland in furtive tones - talk about an entire nation needing therapy!
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:35:49
#194 Ugly - You were so convincing as a moron certainly. Remember to stay indoors away from real people.....
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:37:32
Armnius - spending time with the insults instead of clicking wsj.com and hitting "Edit" "Find" "Libya" ... typical Scot, pigheadedly refuse to believe the idea that people aren't huddled around campfires discussing Scotland in furtive tones
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 12:39:56
I can understand the Ugly Americans frustration. Being Welsh you live knowing that your country has no bearing in world events. As one American president once said "did you ever hear an ant pass wind in a hurricane"
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Carroll Gardens,

NYC 25/08/2009 12:40:41
Scotland's disgrace:

Four hundred parents lost a child, 46 parents lost their only child, 65 women were widowed, 11 men lost their wives, 140 lost a parent, seven lost both parents.

But all these people and all their loved ones were not the recipients of Scotland's compassion; the murderer was.

A country like this should be punished by having their flag waived IN HONOR by Libyan terrorists, for all the world to see.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:41:50
#196 Ugly - A hypocrit as well as a numpty. Sure your not Ameriican?
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:42:28
Billy - funny coming from the world's shi*pile; a trash, garbage, mongroloid culture absent of contributions to anything the world over.
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awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 25/08/2009 12:43:00
196 - Ugly. I'm sure even you are not naive enough to believe that the 'typical Scot' thinks the world cares much (if at all) about our affairs. However, this is a Scottish (sic) paper aimed at a Scottish market.
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:47:07
#198 Carroll Gardens - "A country like this should be punished by having their flag waived IN HONOR by Libyan terrorists, for all the world to see" - We have no control over who waves our flag any more than you have control over who burns yours. Get a grip.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:49:23
I'm obviously correct since no one here will take me up on my challenge to go to America's second largest paper, wsj.com, click on their web browser "Edit" "Find" and then type "Libya" and report back the highly amusing results of where this story falls in precedence ...

but I will

The Top 10 stores in yesterday's Wall Street Journal by order of page space (juxtapose to the Scotsman which claims all of America is atwitter over Scotland):

#1 - "Obama to Reappoint Bernake"
#2 - "Back at Apple, Jobs Focuses on Tablet"
#3 - "More Afghan Candidates Claim Fraud"
#4 - "South Korea Launches Rocket into Space"
#5 - "Swine Flu Report Details Possible Cases"
#6 - "Jackson Had Lethal Levels of Profonol"
#7 - "Next Census Will Alter Political Map"
#8 - "Regulators to Examine Goldman Trade Tips"
#9 - "How Facebook Ruins Friendships"
#10 - "States Seek Slice of Rail Funding"

way down ... at

#23 - "Scots Seek Probe of Libyan Release"
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Floppy Boot Stomp,

25/08/2009 12:49:23
To illustrate the lack of interest in current affairs by the great American public...

I sat in a bar in Hawaii in 1998 as Bill Clinton went on air to tell the nation that he HAD had a relationship with Ms Lewinsky.Just when Bill was getting to the point where he was owning up,the sports channel interrupted the broadcast to go live to a Baseball match was in progress.It seemed that Sammy Sosa's attempt to beat the home run record for a season was more important than a president lying to his nation...
With this in mind,I dont really see much coming from this.When was the last time you were in a restaurant in the U.S. and were offered 'Freedom Fries' rather than plain old fries?
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Carroll Gardens,

NYC 25/08/2009 12:49:59
Arminus, if your country respected the 270 victims and their families, rather than show "compassion" to a murderer of 270 by sending him home to Libya a hero to live in luxury, then Libyan terrorists would not have waived your flag IN HONOR. Thus, you do have control over who waives your flag IN HONOR.
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:51:39
Having burned many an American flag myself, Arminius, I'll say that's your one good point this thread. Glad to see your head is out of your ar-se.

The one thing I think we all agree on is that Muammar is a great man and has been a unifying force in Africa.
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Man On Corstorphine Omnibus,

25/08/2009 12:53:27
#Carroll Gardens NYC. How typical you are of the Yank posters to this and other sites. Absolute moron.
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awantapassport,

25/08/2009 12:54:25
206 - You are obviously a bigot, a racist or perhaps just thick? So it was "Libyan terrorists" waving the Saltire at the airport? Deluded perhaps!!
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 12:54:35
Frankly, even if Maghri did do it the American corporation Pan-Am probably had it coming. I applaud my Gaelic brothers and sisters for sticking it to these idiot Yanks and standing in solidarity with the Arab Jamahiriya.
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Iain Mac,

25/08/2009 12:55:16
Most Americans will never have heard of this stooshie. But, if they're gonna boycott all things Scottish why not stop using penicllan, the TV, tarmac roads, the telephone... why stop at whisky?!
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 12:55:51
#206 Carroll Gardens,NYC - The decision to release this guy was made by the Scottish Justice Minister not "the country". I had no say in his release and no say in what flag Libyans choose (or are directed) to fly or what they do on their home soil.
Alles klar?
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 25/08/2009 12:56:26
#198

America's disgrace (one of them)

More than 300 Iranians die in an unprovoked attack on a civilian airliner from a US warship whilst in Iranian waters.

The families of the dead were shown no compassion and the perpetrator of this crime was awarded an honour by the US administration for his work.


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Iain Mac,

25/08/2009 12:56:59
#206 - CArrol Gardens - do you count the Scottish relatives who support this decision and want the Yanks to reveal ALL the facts surrounding this case?

Or do you have problems with small countries excercising their own freedom?

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Iain Mac,

25/08/2009 12:58:38
#214 - your sense of humour aint well developed, is it?

Do you know why the Highlanders referred to the Scotsman as the 'Daily Liar' by any chance?
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 13:00:16
Glad to see most Scots here standing in solidarity with our Libyan friends. If you haven't read Col. Qadaffi's Green Book yet it is an enlightening treatise on cultural norms and values in a modern democracy: http://www.mathaba.net/gci/theory/gb.htm

Let's remember, Pan Am got what they deserved by having their plane destroyed. Scots don't owe apologies to anyone for releasing Maghri, even if he was guilty (which I don't think he was).
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 13:01:53
216 - do you know why Taffers refer to the proclivities of Scots to eff sheep?
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Ugly American,

25/08/2009 13:07:02
To any Yank who comes on this site. I speak on behalf of my Gaelic brothers and sisters when I say that you are all universally disliked and we hate all of you with the searing, white-hot intensity of a thousand suns.

Go home, Yanqui!
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awantapassport,

naesheepdoonhere 25/08/2009 13:08:39
218 - Must be something to do with being in denial. Maybe reflecting the Welsh disposition onto the innocent Scots?
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mr broon,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 13:16:19
All these Yanks inundating the organisers of Tartan Week wouldn't be Provisional IRA supporting Irish-Americans, would they?
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Niadh,

Edinburgh 25/08/2009 13:17:25
It's nice to see that there are still some of our colonial cousins who have intelligence and no knee jerk narrow minded reaction. Thanks very much guys and gals.
For those of your fellow compatriots who don't please remind them of 2 things.
1. The Scottish people should not be punished for the actions of the government. Even if there are those who agree with the stance taken. Any such reaction would be extremely un-Christian.
2. TV, Radar, pneumatic tyres, telephone, fax, penicillin, roads, the Bible(King James version), US Navy, US economic model, MRI, Ultrasound, PET scanners, refrigirators, Flush toilets, hollow pipe drainage, pedal bike, Golf, hypodermic syringe, diabetes, anesthetics and the digestive biscuit. All these inventions or discoveries have their origins in Scotsmen without whom your lives would not be as comfortable or successful.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 13:19:09
182 'Brady, Hindley, Manson and co didn't kill 270 people' Neither did Oscar Slater Paddy Meehan, the Guidford Four & the Birmingham Six..nor Timothy Evans for that matter.

'pro-bomber posters' - get a grip.

'bigoted conceited twisted' - your particular opinion of those who perhaps think MacAskill took the correct course, But just your opinion.

If other countries disagree with MacAskill or their nationals refuse to holiday here, that's up to them. But I don't see why outside countries should decide the way matters are handled in Scotland...for instance like Gaddafi insisting that that the trial of Megrahi and his co-accused be held outwith Scotland.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 13:23:27
198 meanwhile American firms still do business with the bomber's country...
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 25/08/2009 13:29:54
Let's face it, Until the US faces up to the complete screw-up it's made of the world no US contributor to this site can be taken seriously.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US navy shoots down another civilian airliner in a twisted act of revenge for over the release of Megrahi.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 13:44:33
#225

Yeah, well, let's have the truth.... Europe is no longer under the control of the Nazis, Asia is no longer occupied and cotrolled by the Japanese....Scots aren't speaking German... Yeah, the US really screwed this world up. I guess the US could withdraw its military from Germany, how would you like that. You'd be in WWIII within 5 years.
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 13:46:06
180 William

I and my family are originally from the West End of Glasgow, so not too far from Greenock. It's a bit ironic, is it not that your family hail from Greenock since that is where Megrahi was imprisoned.

Anyway, I now live in a small fishing village south of Stonehaven on the east coast of Scotland.
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Carroll Gardens,

NYC 25/08/2009 13:49:39
Reading some of the comments on this board, it is no wonder that, in a 2008 poll, 26% of Britians stated that they did not know who was behind the 9/11 attacks. Twenty-three percent of Frenchmen did not know, and 23% of Germans thought it was an inside job.

http://atlanticreview.org/archives/1174-A-Quarter-of-Germans-Think-the-US-Government-did-911.html

Our country has it share of Bush-was-behind-the-attack crowd too. We also have universities rationalizing the suppression of free speech in the aim of appeasing Muslims (Yale just banned all images of Muhammed, no matter how old or by whom drawn). Meanwhile, taxpayer money was spent financing "P!ss Christ", "art" depicting the Crucifix in urine. I'm hoping that the UK, the US, Europe, and the rest of the free world does not have to suffer yet another devastating terrorist attack to realize that there is no negotiating, no mollifying, and no appeasing committed terrorists.
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 13:53:03
198 Carroll

That is totally unfair. Any and all of the bereaved American families who wanted to or did visit Lockerbie were shown the utmost human compassion by Scots everywhere. Maybe you should reflect before posting what you did.
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Let's have the truth,

Australia 25/08/2009 14:00:43
#226

America is not what it once was. Since Bushco sat in the whitehouse I defy anyone to contradict that he along with his cohorts screwed up the world.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 14:06:58
#230
America still tries to use its influence to keep some sort of order in the world. There's no way that can be a perfect process in this world. Try to imagine the world today if the US removed troups from South Korea, Iraq, Afghanistan, Europe, etc. Who would step into that void?
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 14:13:23
226 American of Scottish descent

America played a part in WWII. Don't over-estimate it though.

I would gladly have America withdraw from Germany and would love to see the back of Trident weapons of mass destruction from the Clyde on the west coast of Scotland.
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 14:15:08
231 Sadly, that is delusional.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 14:27:23
#233
Read your history books & reconsider the FACTS. America's government isn't perfect, is yours?
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Itchy,

25/08/2009 14:29:12
#93 Yes, let's make Diageo and Whyte and Mackay lose money and more jobs will be cut.

Bozo.
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Itchy,

Lochgelly 25/08/2009 14:33:39
#136 You're not an American. You are a troll, however.
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Itchy,

25/08/2009 14:35:41
#157 "I think you mean American-supported freedom fighters; "

Ah, a troll indeed.
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Itchy,

25/08/2009 14:38:11
#169 "I wish I were related to this Galactic Cannibal person as he/she/it sounds delightful."

Ah, you are Galactic Cannibal.

" I'm afraid only to report to you that your worst opinions of Americans are all true. But I'm not ashamed that we venerate strength and you venerate weakness."

Wait till the Marxist Obama gets through with you and see how strong America is.
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LyonHearts,

le teil 25/08/2009 14:38:50
When I was growing up in Embra in the 1970's I was always told that Scots people were welcome (...and could be found) everywhere in the world.

I haven't really formed an opinion about the Lockerbie bombers release, but I'd say that if the Americans dinae like us it's alarming. Having lived most of my life in either London or France I have come across many who have a lot to say against the Scots and maybe we should wake up to the fact that we have some really nasty wee traits that we can cover up with whiskey and highland jigs!

On the other hand I dinae think we should cow tow tae anybody - did the American people bomb Libya? No it was Ronald Regan was it not? Why should ordinary Scots folks be blamed for their govts action?
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livilion,

livingston 25/08/2009 14:51:44
198 Carroll Gardens,NYC

I suppose the fact that Gadaffi paid the victims families a couple of $billion concience money means that Megrahi's boss in the Libyan security service, the same Col.Gadaffi, is now beyond reproach?

But the patsy he sent to do his dirty work must remain locked away out of mind and sight in case any of his words jeapordise the UK and US's lucrative Libyan oil contracts.

Aye money talks, but talks dirty.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 14:54:39
#239
I think it's your effing nasty wee traits that make you Scottish, Lyon. And you're certainly welcome here in the US.
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LyonHearts,

le teil 25/08/2009 15:12:27
#241...Thanks for that! I'd love to visit America, but so far I haven't had the chance for one reason or another!

Something that has put our countries parliament on the world stage for the first time has also made us unpopular in the States...never known that before!

Anyway I only normally comment on fitba stories so am away back tae the sports pages!

Hope I can visit America sooner rather than later!

Cheers tae yees all!

MTH
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american reiver,

georgia, u.s.a. 25/08/2009 15:17:30
Scottish leaders need to grow a pair of balls and not pander to a criminal's cries for mercy. Where was the criminal's mercy? You should tie a burlap sack full of rats over his head, hang him upside down by his scrotum and beat the sack with a tire iron. You ARE Scottish, for Christ's sake, right? Throw him a good ol' Scottish beatin'!
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 15:19:59
#242
"Something that has put our countries parliament on the world stage for the first time has also made us unpopular in the States...never known that before!"

Well, now you know how we Americans feel; our government keeps us hated worldwide, but, that's who we are & we can handle it.
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Dylan fan,

Planet earth 25/08/2009 15:27:53

Well, it did come as a complete surprise to me, the release of this man. I could only think that the government was saving money, on medical bills, by allowing him to return home. ( though this was NEVER even as much as implied by anyone, anywhere)
Compassion.. I am not sure USA has that regarding terrorists. I am not sure the families of those on that fateful flight could be expected to have compassion...
But, it is interesting that so many of our cultural roots return to Scotland.. Yet, we differ so.. I want to travel to Scotland to learn as one poster put it..." What a Scotland is!"
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Gadzy,

25/08/2009 15:30:49
Has the US declaired war on Scotland yet.or has Scotland sent its fleet of wee rowing boats from all the lochs around Scotland to invade America.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 15:35:18
#243

Is that the best you can come up with, Reiver? The scum doesn't deserve such humane treatment.
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albahomeland,

25/08/2009 15:37:59
234 The point I am making is that the world would probably be a better place if the US were not in Iraq,Afghanistan and Europe today. Certainly Iraq, without a shadow of doubt.
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awantapassport,

sunnysoothcoast 25/08/2009 15:40:13
I love the way the compassion and forgiveness oozes from every pore of our 'God fearing' American cousins - you really are a credit to humanity. God Bless America!!!
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 15:45:57
#248
It's really hard to say about each one. Personally, I was for the first invasion of Iraq, because of their invasion of Kuwait. As far as the 2nd Iraq invasion, I was against it, but once it began, supported our soldiers there 100% --they were American soldiers following orders. Heck, I'm an American; I don't get to make the political decisions, just pay taxes & every so often we get a chance to vote & flush the old stuff. So, how's your country any better?
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american reiver,

georgia, u.s.a. 25/08/2009 15:47:16
#247
What would YOUR punishment be, 'American of Scottish descent'? I can't wait to hear this! :)

#249
Yeah...we don't forgive douchbag criminals like your leaders do. By the way, most Americans are pagans who just go to church on Sunday. We also tend to swing towards an Old Testament mentality when dealing with criminals...an eye for an eye is what I say. There are only so many times you can turn the other cheek before it is time to lock n' load and break some bones.

peace and love,


american reiver
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awantapassport,

naewherenearthekirk 25/08/2009 15:54:47
251 - "most Americans are pagans who just go to church on Sunday". Doesn't that make most Americans hypocrites? At least I'm honest - I never go to church.

An eye for an eye - who was it said we'd all end up blind?
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american reiver,

georgia, u.s.a. 25/08/2009 16:03:40
#253
I suppose most Americans are hypocrites. I would have to agree with you on that one...without a doubt. I also appreciate your honesty. That stuff annoys me, too.

We should, though, put our boot on the neck of any person who takes a dump on our laws and hurts our people. The whole idea is to deter criminals from doing harm to us. If we treat criminals well, then we are only going to encourage these idiots to keep doing what they are doing. If I was a criminal, I would be encouraged by the decision made regarding this criminal.



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MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 16:05:54
To all American Posters:

This is a Scottish newspaper! Will you by boycotting it any time soon?

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awantapassport,

25/08/2009 16:08:21
254 - I hardly think being let out of prison with weeks/months to live will encourage criminals. Anyway, we are not talking about normal criminals here. Your average terrorist does not care about the consequences of being caught. Would you have us throw out our own laws and principles to fit in with your 'old testament' views?
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 16:08:34
#255
Not me, Mac. I'm not boycotting anything. So, can we still read your Scottish newspaper? It's on th American-invented Internet...
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american reiver,

georgia, u.s.a. 25/08/2009 16:08:39
#255
We don't have to boycott your newspaper to make Scotland economically weak. ;)
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25/08/2009 16:12:10
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25/08/2009 16:14:14
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MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 16:17:44
To All Americans who are boycotting Scotland.
This is a Scottish newspaper! Will you be boycotting it anytime soon.
Whoever set up the boycottscotland website are cowards. They don't tell us who they are and they have no open forum for discussion. I find it suspicious that this website has generated so much press coverage!

What are the aims of the Americans who are boycotting Scotland and all things Scottish? Is it to try to sway the voters of Scotland not to vote SNP or what?
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awantapassport,

25/08/2009 16:34:35
260 - American Robber - You obviously have no knowledge of Scottish law or you pretend not to in order to maintain your potentially fake American persona. I have no doubt that there are more posters on here faking their nationality - at least Ugly American admitted it (eventually).

As to boycotting Scotland and Scots goods - who cares. It's a flash in the pan and pointless posturing on your parts.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 16:41:57
226 - sure..grovel..grovel...
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 16:43:40
228 from the country where most of the populace believe the universe was created in 6 days...
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 16:49:00
243 someone who's knowledge o' Scotland was learned from the esteemed Mr Mel Gibson
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 16:50:23
245 - bring yer umbrella ! : )
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 16:53:48
251 - tha Auld Testament, we had a belly full o' that over here and we've only began to get over it the past 40 years or so. Swing parks locked on a Sunday an all that b*llocks.
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Yok Finney,

Ross-shire 25/08/2009 17:14:27
-- 26% of Britians stated that they did not know who was behind the 9/11 attacks, 23% of Frenchmen did not know, and 23% of Germans thought it was an inside job.

Most of us don't have access to classified documents - we just have to consider reports from qualified engineers and demolition experts. We tend to doubt that someone who couldn't pilot a Cessna could fly a jetliner in a complicated maneouvre smack where he wanted it. The Bushes and Bin Ladens were close business partners.
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Gadzy,

25/08/2009 17:28:23
Our rowing boat fleet is on its way, its just past Dunbarton Rock under the Command of Admiral Para Handy and Engineer Mac Phail not forgetting big Dougie and Sunny Jim O Cambeltoun loch a wish a wis Wuskey.
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Floppy Boot Stomp,

25/08/2009 17:36:02
257..'Ameican invented Internet?' I think that you will find that the man most associated with its invention is BRITISH scientist Tim Berners Lee.

But hey,let's not let the facts get in the way of your rant...
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 17:36:39
272 - beware o' the polis affloat on a dirty big boat....
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William C Anderson III,

Levittown 25/08/2009 18:23:47
227 albahomeland

sounds very nice ,wish I could live in a place like that . I live outside of Philadelphia Pa.not quite as picturesque.
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go boil ur heid,

25/08/2009 18:42:40
Yankee go do what you do best and go bomb poor underdeveloped countries and stop nipping ma heid.
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Jimmy Fae the West,

In the Land O' Green Ginger. (HULL) 25/08/2009 18:47:27
Is there a website to register our delight at the way your Justice minister has handled this whole affair. Honesty, integrity and principled in way that our nobles and right-honourable Gentlemen can only dream about in their night-sweats. Well done Kenny MacAskill and I have spelled it correctly in tribute!
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Unionist Voice,

25/08/2009 18:53:10
278. Rubbish

your total disgust and indignation can be registered at the website set up to support our bold Unionist position to be outraged and not table a vote.

Please see

outragedandnovote.com

Otherwise we also endorse boycott scotland.com
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Davidjsy,

St Martin 25/08/2009 18:53:57
Can the US navy's nuclear subs start boycotting the Clyde please?
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Unionist Voice,

25/08/2009 18:56:29
280. I fervently hope the US navy continues to go where it will. Even under Iranian passenger jets!
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Davidjsy,

St Martin 25/08/2009 20:28:48
and we should boycott afghanastan, and encourage others to do so
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 20:34:00
#274

Mr Lee is credited with the invention of the World Wide Web (about 1990); the (American-invented) Internet had been around long before that. Those are the facts, Floppy.
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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 25/08/2009 20:50:57
See, I got you all talking about the Galactic Cannibal - can I also tell you I miss Scaramouche - that was a man with talent!
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MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 20:56:34
It easy enough to Google and find out who invented the internet.
According to all the sites I've checked they say that no one person invented the Internet!

However without the telephone there would be no internet.
Thanks has to go to Alexander Graham Bell!


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unbiased,

Erehwon o Elddim 25/08/2009 20:59:16
#278 Jimmy - BRING IT ON
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 21:09:06
#285

Yes, a great American.
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Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 21:09:07
The internet was invented in America by DARPA. The World Wide Web was invented by an Englishman Tim Berners-Lee.


178 The Scotchman, 25/08/2009 12:06:26
And "If you do have a suspension bridge in your area please consider contacting your local government official and demand its removal."

Brilliant! Cheers for sharing.
285

Mèths,

25/08/2009 21:13:45
Who invented porno on the internet?
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Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 21:14:59
A young man with very hairy palms.
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JRM,

Alabama 25/08/2009 21:17:57
This whole fiasco has made this American take a closer look at today's Scotland. I have read papers, scoured the internet, and hyperlinked through Wikipedia for days. You do not know us at all. I think our two party system in America has misled you. Since we do not have your parliementary system, you may see only left and right. We are fractured too, it only seems a 2-way fight. I also hear the term "redneck" alot. I question why the administrator has not removed postings with that bigoted phrase. My affinity for Scotland is such, that I do not know any racist/bigoted names to call you. My home state has its own flag, and I suggest you Scots look at it closely, for you disparge your kin with name calling. We call American Imperialism, "Yankee Imperialism" where I am from, and we have more experiance in fighting it than you. Those American "liberals" that blame the South for supporting Bush mislead you. Don't believe me? Ask Bin Laden; It wasn't the Coca-Cola Plant in Atlanta that was attacked on 9-11. We Americans love Scotland, so this will pass.
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Miss A.,

25/08/2009 21:19:24
Ugly American

Where ya from as you don't sound like any American I know? (Here on the west coast we never had to memorize Washington's farewell address.)
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 21:19:48
#291
Try "teuchter"
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Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 21:25:24
291: gingers, squint teeth, surrender monkeys, pinkies, scotch, men who wear skirts have no balls

Those are a few of the phrases I've often seen Americans using to describe Scots, some of them to describe other Europeans too.

(On the last one, the only man I've seen wear a tartan skirt was a few months. An American who clearly thought he'd save a few quid and nobody would notice the difference. Funny. But I didn't laugh at him because at least he was enjoying himself and not hurting anyone.)
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 21:30:42
#294
Andrew
I've only heard "surrender monkeys" used to describe the French, as in "cheese-eating surrender monkeys". Certainly never to describe the Scottish, whose fighting men are famous world-wide for their courage.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 21:35:35
238 - he cannae be Galatic Cannibal - he's not mentioned 'shrooms .
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Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 21:39:36
295: have a look at some of the posts recently on USA Today. Or further back to stories relating to Europe. I couldn't care less what Americans or anyone else wish to call us, I just find it a little pathetic when Americans seem to be hurt when they're called a few names after trying to influence our judiciary system with threats of a boycott.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 21:43:33
Boycotts are for morons. I may disagree with your leaders, but I respect your nation's right to take an upopular stance on an issue (though it was pretty stupid). Americans are experts at having the rest of the world condemn us for our unpopular acts, so, believe me, you're preaching to the choir. At least you know how it feels, now.
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MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 21:44:06
An American of Scottish descent

Is Alexander Graham Bell an American? I didn't know that!
Teuchter is absolutely fine. I'm a teuchter!
JRM
My affinity for Scotland is such, that I do not know any racist/bigoted names to call you.

TBH:I don't think there are any racist/bigoted names that would offend the indigeneous Scot. We don't really have a problem with name calling. I believe we may have a problem with arrogant Americans telling us what we should and shouldn't be doing.

The adminstrator of this site hasn't removed the term 'redneck' because it is not a term normally used in Scotland. Most people wouldn't even know what it means.

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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 21:48:39
294 the French were hardly surrender monkeys at Verdun, 700,000 casualties in that battle alone.
And a' this boycoot b+llocks. Those who boycotted France cos they didnae go along with Dubya and his follies..well they missed oot on the treasures of Paris, in particular the Louvre, and the mysteries and rugged beauty of the Aude valley.
And those who boycott Scotland are cuttin aff their noses tae spite their face.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 21:52:22
#299
Mac
There was an attempt at humor there. Bell was born in Scotland, but was overcome by a wave of good sense and became an American citizen. So, I guess we can both claim him

I'm from the American South, & because of my accent, I get categorized. We often are considered slow, ignorant, uneducated, etc. by people from the North.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 21:57:34
#300
Rilpig
I think it's because the French haven't won any wars lately. Like, maybe since Napoleon or something.

Anyway, I hope the boycott fizzles, I wouldn't want your economy to suffer because some Americans got their dander up. Besides, we would have to buy our single malt from Japan, & I'm not so sure about that...
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Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 21:58:24
298: No, you don't seem to recognise the difference. Criticism is a good thing, it's what makes allies friends and makes us look at our own, as well as each others, values (or ought to).

We've had Obama criticise us and tell us we're wrong, the impertinent letter from the director of the FBI, John Bolton telling us we're pathetic and that the US should never have handed al-Megrahi over, to a large portion of the American public hoping to cripple our country because we wont do as we're told. And while it's no fault of America that our Prime Minister is too cowardly to defend the right of Scotland to take this stance, it only rubs salt in the wounds.

So we know how it feels, but you don't.

And may I say that I disagree that the stance taken was stupid, but I respect your opinion. I think a military war on terror is beyond stupid, and I suspect we differ there too.
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JRM,

Alabama 25/08/2009 22:02:16
Most of my posts have been with domestic talk here in the U.S. I have been debating the pro boycotte minority, and, I think, winning. Those Scot Soldiers bleeding in Iraq and Afghanistan have earned all Scots, left, right, nationalistic, or whatever, the right to be critical of America. My dad's generation watched Britain and Germany pick themselves up after WWII. The French sat crying in the rubble waiting for US to help them. Our disdain for the French is very old, as is our love for Scotland. Please have patience with America. We never wanted to be a world power, much less its cop. This new role, insisted on by older Europeans, is hard for us. We have made bad mistakes. We will continue to do so. If Scotland, and Europe in general wants us to return to our splendid isolation, we can be accommidating. But if unrelenting criticism of everything we do continues, we may just call it a day, fill the moat with water and pull up the draw-bridge. That would be bad for all.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 22:17:42
#303

Your leaders made an unpopular decision, other nations are on your ass. The details may be different, but it's the same situation the US is in several times a year. Yeah, I know how it feels.
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 22:20:41
302 - malt from Japan ? Well for those who are easily pleased...

I have to admit it is some sacrifice to forego the sublime Scottish malts for Irish or Tennesseean gutrot.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 22:28:22
#306

Well, I wouldn't call it rotgut. the Tennesse whiskey is not all that bad. I think some fine Welsh distillers developed the Bourbon whiskeys in Kentucky. I'd rather look at the difference between Scots whisky and Bourbon as something like the diffeerence between a blond and a brunette; they're different, but I certainly wouldn't say I preferred one over the other. (even if I really DID)
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 22:28:57
I have a cousin who can't stand the French or their culture, but he's a security man who disnae ken any better , and has cut himself of from the delights I previously mentioned.
If I ever got the lottery up, it would be cheerio to the Scottish winter and have a nice wee gite in a certain village in the Aude valley. No, not THAT world-famous village up on the hill but one in the valley itself. The people are friendly as country folk usually are the world over, the cuisine is excellent as is the vino. and who knows I might fall into a cave and find some ancient treasure....
Ce'st la vie !
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Pilrig.,

Livingston 25/08/2009 22:30:44
307 the Water of Life only truly flows in one country
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MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 22:40:41
An American of Scottish Descent
I don’t think it is other nations, just one nation America!
I wasn't too worried about the economy! It's been doom & gloom here for quite awhile now! I was more concerned about the actions of Americans (or people masquerading as Americans) having an influence on politics in Scotland. I am very suspicious of the ‘boycottscotland’ website and campaign.

BTW: I hate whisky! Southern Comfort & Coke is my tipple!
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JRM,

Alabama 25/08/2009 22:50:37
Kentucky and Tennessee spirits are from Scot and Welsh immigrants. The quality was low at first as they experimented with available ingrediants. They had to fight off Yankees trying to muscle in on their brewing, but since they were used to fighting English Imperialism, they were victorious. Today's spirits are of fine quality, but they do match what you Scots have; The best booze on Earth.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 22:59:17
#309
Yeah, I hope to get over there one day; there's some nectar on Islay waiting in barrels for me now....
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 23:01:33
#310
I don't think it would be right-minded to try to punish Scots for the actions of a political leader. I've agreed and disagreed with about every leader we've had, on one issue or another...
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 23:03:40
Well, I certainly feel a lot better. We came on this site somewhat fired up about politics, and now we're talking about whisk(e)y. You guys are OK.
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JRM,

Alabama 25/08/2009 23:04:20
I made a typo, ...they do NOT match... Sorry. If anyone is watching, May I ask what is the difference between Labour and Liberal Democrats in your political system?
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 23:04:41
Eff your leaders; eff mine.
313

Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 25/08/2009 23:05:35
#299 MoiraMac - "Is Alexander Graham Bell an American? I didn't know that!" - Bell was a naturalised US citizen only for the last 7 years of his life (he was 75 when he died) having been a British citizen previously. He was born in South Clerk Street in Edinburgh and went to the Royal High School.
314

Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 23:05:53
An American of Scottish descent

If you ever come to Scotland, do the less obvious and try Fraoch (heather ale). Whisky is nothing but an expensive imitation! ;)
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JRM,

Alabama 25/08/2009 23:08:27
We may have hit on something. Lets all sit down together and get smashed on some good booze. I bet after a few belts we will forget our petty squabble.
316

Andrew Horton,

25/08/2009 23:11:32
JRM

Labour believe in high taxes, large state, devolved parliamentary system, claim to be left of centre but many consider them slightly right of centre (depending on whom you speak to), and are very weak in defending the interests of the electorate against foreign powers.

The Lib Dems are limp wristed wet fish who believe in a more federal system, used to believe in higher taxes but claim now to think taxes should be lowered, I think they want smaller state but to be "nice" (whatever that may be). In my experience they're often described as a group of individuals rather than a party, and when people try to negotiate with them I've often heard it described as trying to herd cats. They aren't going to be in power any time soon (if ever).
317

An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 23:13:39
#318
"Foaoch"; I'll commit that to memory.


#315
Shame on you, Bama, Don't talk about corn whiskey that way; the ghost of Bear Bryant will get you...
318

MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 23:17:45
Arminius
Thanks I did know that. I just didn't want to be too aggressive towards our American friends! I thought he was born in South Charlotte Street. There's a plaque outside No14

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MoiraMac,

25/08/2009 23:21:38
JRM,Alabama
We may have hit on something. Lets all sit down together and get smashed on some good booze. I bet after a few belts we will forget our petty squabble.

Sláinte! JRM I can only have a nightcap it's bedtime here in Scotland.

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JRM,

Alabama 25/08/2009 23:26:04
Salmond, Brown, and Obama should share a "jar" of the white lightnin made by my grandfather. Too bad he is no longer with us. His corn made your eyes cross. and it burned pretty good in his A Model truck.
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An American of Scottish descent,

25/08/2009 23:35:33
#323
Mac
I started my nightcap a little after 5:00. Should be reaqdy for bed around 10:00...
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Mitt Nelson,

anywhere 26/08/2009 00:35:42
#54 John Henry. Get a grip. Never happen, your propaganda on US wants to rule (or invade) Scotland. It's all your make up lie in your head and imagination. The whole thing is all tied to the release of a Libyan prisoner. Therefore, prosecutors and police should be the ones making the decision for they have accessed to the details and records of interrogation with the prisoner personally. You American and your country USA has her own domestic problems to bother.
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scotnotbrit,

camelon 26/08/2009 01:00:20

i dont drink and i dont eat pork , a little weed for my aches and pains only , shouty drunk people ? getting together to right our wrongs ? whether its a tinkers camp or the royal mile , the last thing daftie juice does is promote peace and brotherhood
324

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26/08/2009 03:37:57
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 26/08/2009 04:52:35
328 i can only suppose that you are not a real american or your post is a wind up,onlym because i cant believe that anyone so ignorant could exist, you do understand that the majority of british victims families believe that megrahi was innocent and that libya was set up by the usa which needed assistance fron syria at the time regarding kwuait much more likely that syria/iran brought the airliner down.
did you also realise that your very own fbi paid out millions to witnessess to implicate megrahi. how would you feel if your own son had been convicted beased on evidence paid for by the fbi scotland has nothing to be ashamed of releasing this man but the usa and uk governments could well have
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james 1st,

hamilton nz 26/08/2009 05:00:41
america has lost uch of its greatness due to the last few presidents being powerhungry and useless i hope that obama can turn this around people want a great healthy friendly united states not the bullyboy its become in the last forty or so years. the united states insists on its right to self determination it should accept that other countries have the same right
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Arminius,

Bei Uelzen 26/08/2009 08:40:53
#322 MoiraMac - I don't think the truth is being aggressive - he was a US citizen when he died after all. I used to pass his plaque most days on the way to work though it is unnoticed by most. Oddly there is no memorial to him at the Royal High School that I recall just memorials to Sir Walter Scott and Robert Fergusson.
328

albahomeland,

26/08/2009 09:20:40
328 A real American? I think not.
329

Gadzy,

payback time 26/08/2009 09:22:48
Scotland has done more for America than America has done for Scotland.
Many Americans travelled to Scotland to gain an education in medicine. In 1775 there were 3,500 people practising medicine in the US, though only 350 or 400 actually held degrees. Most of those holding degrees had been educated in Scotland.
The Scots greatest contribution to American medicine was the belief that it was not simply the body but the mind that must be healed. Drawing upon their knowledge of philosophy and the humanities they expounded the need to be humane when treating patients.
Scots were crucial in establishing separate medical teaching institutions; previously all medical education had been taught within the confines of medical establishments.
Scots have played their part in the political history of the United States. More than one hundred governors of pre-Revolutionary colonies and post Revolutionary States were of Scottish birth or descent.
35 US Supreme Court Justices have been Scots.
Of 73 Great Americans in the Hall of Fame, 25 were of Scottish blood.
Nearly half of the Secretaries of the US Treasury and one third of the Secretaries of State have been of Scots origin.
Of the fifty-six signatories of the Declaration of Independence, nine were directly or indirectly descended from Scots.
9 out of 13 Governors of the newly created United States were Scots or of Scottish descent.
Of fifty judges of the Supreme Court from 1759-1882 at least fifteen were of Scottish ancestry.
James Pollock (1810-90), responsible for putting "In God We Trust" on the US coinage, was of Scottish descent. and this we still hold dear to our hearts.
330

albahomeland,

26/08/2009 09:28:17
250 an American

"So, how's your country any better?"

I'm not sure my country is any better. I am sure that we have more compassion though. This applies to our judicial system and seemingly to the people too.

I think compassion is a good thing and is a mark of humanity at its best. Many may disagree. That's their prerogative.
331

albahomeland,

26/08/2009 09:32:00
254 American Reiver

I sincerely hope that you will apply the same treatment to the criminals in the CIA who apparently think it is ok to torture prisoners. If you are consistent then I can understand your views. If not you are simply a hypocrite.
332

albahomeland,

26/08/2009 09:36:58
276 William

If you are ever in Scotland, look me up. The village is called Gourdon by the way.
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Niadh,

Edinburgh 26/08/2009 10:52:32
JRM,
I don't think it's fair to say all of Europe dislikes America for taking on the role of international cop. Your nation is large and has the resources to be able to accomplish a hell of a lot when it puts its mind to it. The problem is the attitude of your leadership and the fact that they appear to have a tendency to go in to things *rse about face, aggressively and arrogantly. ie We're bigger and better therefore you'll do what we say and when we say it. Cooperation and consistency will get you, us and the world a lot further than alone. On the positive you have WW2, Korean War and First Gulf War. On the negative Vietnam, Second Gulf War, Afghanistan.
You want to help the people of Iraq and Afghanistan establish a solid dependable safe government and nation to the extent of sending troops and equipment but you will not go to the same lengths to help the people of Palestine establish a nation.
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Gadzy,

We Dont hate America 26/08/2009 11:54:13
We have given so much to America in the Past.
IE.
Angus Neilson MacPherson emigrated to America from Scotland, where he built the famous frigate 'Ironsides'. He also designed furnaces for heating large plates and invented a method of affixing the plates to the sides of vessels.

Robert E Lee Confederate General said that the blood of Robert the Bruce flowed through his veins, he advised the south after the war to, 'Abandon your animosities and make your sons Americans.'

Ulysses S. Grant's father was a Scottish immigrant whose line is said by genealogists to have a royal descent from David I, King of Scots. He was a Union General during the American Civil War, later becoming 18th President of the United States. When he retired Grant visited Scotland, where he met with the Earl of Seafield, Chief of the Clan Grant.

General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson a West Point graduate is thought by many to be the best battlefield commander in the War between the States.

Confederate flag ( it has been claimed ), was based on the design of the Saltire ( the national flag of Scotland ), which is possible as a very large percentage of the defeated Confederacy were of Scots descent. The confederate flag is a favourite of Scottish truckers along with the Saltire

At the Alamo, 200 men including four Scots were surrounded for 13 days by a 5,000-strong army of the tyrant ruler of Mexico - General Antonio López de Santa Anna. In a bid to raise the morale of the besieged defenders a Scots piper named John McGregor, who originally came from Aberfeldy in Perthshire Scotland, performed musical ‘duels’ with American folklore legend and second generation Scot, Davy Crockett, who played the fiddle. McGregor was said to have won the duels because he played the longest and loudest. The skirl of the pipes that sounded around the fortified former mission steeled the nerves of the defenders and helped inspire them to continue to fight to the last man.

Na we don’t Hate Our American Cou
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The West Lothian Answer,

West Lothian 26/08/2009 13:16:30
Can we have an immediate assurance that the Us boycot of scotland will mean Trump removes his ridiculous hairpiece from our dunes once and for all?
336

Rach Dr,

Greenock 26/08/2009 13:37:27
So the yanks want a boycott of Scotland....fantastic, does that mean we can bring our troops home. Afterall you cant expect a country you're boycotting to shed blood for your oil.
337

Tom of Ocean city,

former U.K. colony of Maryland 26/08/2009 13:54:32
Boycott Scotland?! Football starts in two weeks, we have more important things to worry about...
338

PatrickC,

26/08/2009 20:13:10
I hadn't really thought about joining the boycott until reading the frothing anti american tirades on these different sites. The Scots and their brash attitudes now make it just a challenge. I'd love to see your country get what they deserve. I hope you end up as broke as your banks. We don't need your salmon or your whiskey, screw you.
339

Angus Coull,

Edinburgh 26/08/2009 21:08:17
Approximately 8% of Americans are of Scottish descent (20-25 million people). I wonder what they would make of all this.

Do those people advocating a boycott of Scotland expect Scots-Americans to join this boycott?

Incidentally, the following US presidents all have Scots or Scots-Irish ancestry: George Washington, Thomas Jefferson, James Munroe, Andrew Jackson, Andrew Johnson, Ulysees S. Grant, Theodore Roosevelt, Woodrow Wilson, Harry Truman, Lyndon B. Johnson, Ronald Reagan, George H. W. Bush, Bill Clinton, George W. Bush, Barack Obama.

I'm curious, does anyone know if there has there been any opinion polls done in America on agreement/disagreement with a boycott of Scotland?



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nostress,

grangemouth 26/08/2009 21:27:26
The repellant Voldemort @ # 135 writes "I am a Scot - and Scotland should be ashamed of this." Indeed Voldemort, I am deeply ashamed that you call yourself a Scot. I always felt you favoured the Nor'Brit tendency.

As for Tartan Week - please cancel it now. It is nothing but a contrived embarassment to all and sundry.
341

Finlang,

Switzerland 26/08/2009 22:22:56
#342 PatrickC

"I hadn't really thought about joining the boycott until reading the frothing anti american tirades on these different sites."

Now you know that Scots people have a voice.

"The Scots and their brash attitudes now make it just a challenge. I'd love to see your country get what they deserve. I hope you end up as broke as your banks. We don't need your salmon or your whiskey, screw you."

You're a really diplomatic piece of work. Do you purport to speak on behalf of 300,000,000 Americans? Applying childish insults reduces your gripe to the nonsense it finally turns out to be.

This "boycott" (lol) even if applied, would make not a whit of difference to Scotland's standing in the world. Listen and learn, Paddy: Scotland doesn't produce "whiskey". Scotland's most famous and world-revered product is called "whisky".

And many of us would dearly love to see the grotesque Tartan Week get a decent burial anyway.
342

scotnotbrit,

camelon 27/08/2009 00:28:40
everyone knows the amerikkkans have lost the petro-dollar wars ...their days of high wages / low productivity are over, their money printing economy is a dead letter , thankfully the coming powers are in talks to replace the currency of global trade away from the dollar . and given the widespread anti amerikkkanism that prevails throughout the globe there will be precious few that will mourn their fall from pre-eminence . their markets are falling away from them , their creditors are their erstwhile enemies . s'not looking good for the sceptic tanks
343

SeattleTom,

Seattle 27/08/2009 03:15:23
I live in liberal Seattle, my last name is MacKenzie, I am as far from a redneck as you will possibly find, and my trips to Scotland are over and done with. It is not the decision so much, it is the hate. I don't have to spend significant sums of money to go on a vacation to be with people who don't like me as my in-laws are just across town.

344

Gadzy,

Did you Know this one 27/08/2009 08:44:23
'Of all the small nations on earth, perhaps only the ancient Greeks
surpass the Scots in their contribution to mankind.'
- Winston Churchill
and Winnie was half American. God Bless Them.
345

Vivian,

USA 27/08/2009 13:19:15
This is so silly!

I have to agree that a bad decision was made by letting a murderer free whether they're terminally ill or not, but why boycott a country and hurt peoples' pocketbooks that had nothing to do with any decision being made? There isn't anything that I buy on a regular basis imported from Scotland, so my money won't contribute much to Scotland's economy, but if I decide I want to buy something from there, I will. :D

346

Vivian,

USA 27/08/2009 13:22:30
#347

You're absolutely correct when you mention the hate for Americans that is seen in this newspaper's blogs.

My Mother was from Scotland and I'm very sure she'd be shocked and ashamed of her 'people' if she were alive and could read some of the hate spewed here. It's appalling, but keep in mind, these folks can't stand each other let alone anyone from another country. My mother always told me about the 'crabbit faced' Scots that were commonplace when she lived there. But there are also the hospitable, level-headed ones that don't seem to frequent the Scotsman online.
347

Vivian,

USA 27/08/2009 13:26:44
#346 Scotnotbrit

Your country ought to know a thing or two of what you say, being that the British Empire also ruled the world at some point and came crashing down. Maybe you'd rather have the middle east or china in dominance? YOu think America causes problems for the world? Wait till some 3rd world power takes over then you'll have something to bellyache about.

Everyone complains about the American way of living, yet I can read this newspaper's articles and read some posts from day to day and believe me, your way of life isn't much different from ours. You have the same problems we do, you just have a different dialect.
348

Gadzy,

27/08/2009 16:27:42
#347
Dont let the Heid banger's put you off visiting Scotland,with a name like MacKenzie "A Great and Proud Scottish Clan" you would be more than Welcome as All Americans Are.
349

Gadzy,

27/08/2009 16:37:24
#350
Viv hen,you are almost 100% correct apart for the wee
'crabbit faced' Bit :-)) WE all dont Hate the Americans
Some of us even fought alongside them in WW2, Korea, and in my case Cambodia.
350

Gadzy,

27/08/2009 16:46:25
DID TOU KNOW
Uncle Sam was a Scottish American. In the war of 1812 Sam Wilson, ( whose parents had emigrated from Greenock in Scotland to New York ) supplied rations for the Army with US stamped on the barrels. His employees started to refer to these barrels as 'Uncle Sam's beef' - the soldiers receiving the rations and realising that the initials were US, thought Uncle Sam was new slang for the U.S. Government.
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Ruthven,

Bellshill 27/08/2009 22:05:20
@Tom

This is how everyone else in the world feels about you too. It's just that you can't understand their languages well enough to realise that. Enjoy your holiday in Disneyland.
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Jimmy Two Times,

USA 28/08/2009 14:23:47
An aircraft carrying 300 people, mostly Scottish college students, was blown out of the sky over the US. With the aid of Scotland and other countries, the terrorist who planted the bomb was found and put in Attica prison for life. Several years latter it was said that the terrorist suddenly developed stage 4 prostate cancer, one of the slowest growing of all cancers. The US announced that he was being set free because he only had 3 months to live. The Scotts objected because so many of the kids killed had grieving families still. The US said they were much more compassionate and moral than Scotland and it had to be done.
The terrorist lands in Libya to a crowd waving the American flag and the second in command of their government saying the release was done for the sake of big oil in the US. Several days latter it was said that the oncologists would not vouch for the extent of the cancer vis-a-vis his life expectancy so the US got a prison doctor who normally deals with stab wounds and freeing contraband stuck up rectums to settle the matter. The Scots continued to protest. The US told them to shut the f up because the US was too moral and compassionate for the Scots to understand. Further it was none of their business and to not but into American affairs.
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Angus Coull,

Edinburgh 29/08/2009 02:58:13
356 - Jimmy Two Times

Here's a few more parts you could add to your 'what if the ball was on the other foot' scenario:

1. Scotland, the most powerful country in the world, didn't just express disagreement with America's decision. It also tried to use its economic and diplomatic power to bully America into subverting its own legal processes and traditions to suit Scotland's will.

2. The Libyan had been given leave to appeal because his conviction had been found to be unsafe.

3. The Scots were not the only victims of the atrocity. There were also Americans killed in the bombing and most of the relatives of the American victims had serious doubts about the Libyan's guilt.

4. The North American government (of which the USA was an autonomous part) was covering up papers on the trial which might shed new light on the possible guilt or innocence of this terminally ill Libyan. Sadly, it appeared that all the relatives of the victims of the bombing on both sides of the Atlantic would never be allowed to know whether justice really had been done or whether the real perpetrators of the atrocity were still at large.

5. 5 months before the bombing, the Scottish navy shot down an Iranian passenger plane, killing 290 passengers on board, including 66 children. The Scottish navy captain responsible for this was not only treated compassionately by his government, he came home to a hero's welcome and was awarded military honours. The relatives of the victims of this atrocity saw this spectacle on TV and the perpetrator was never even brought to trial to be held to account for his actions, let alone put in prison. Thus much of global public opinion viewed the objections coming from some Scots (though not all Scots) to compassionate release of the Libyan as having more than a whiff of arrogant hypocrisy about it.

6. This suspicion was compounded by the fact that within about a week of the initial outcry at the Libyan's release, the Scottish news media quickly los
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Angus Coull,

Edinburgh 29/08/2009 03:02:09
Re. 356 - Jimmy Two Times (continued)

6. This suspicion was compounded by the fact that within about a week of the initial outcry at the Libyan's release, the Scottish news media quickly lost interest in this issue and moved on to talking about the question of whether a dead pop star had been murdered. The Scottish relatives of the victims of the bombing were once more left to deal with their unhealed wounds without the interest of their country's media. Perhaps the only people who really understood and cared about what they were going through were the families of the American victims, whose country had briefly been vilified by the Scottish media as a 'terrorist state' simply because it had failed to show sufficient levels of vindictiveness towards a dying man.

7. Americans couldn't believe they were being accused of being terrorists by people from the very same country their sons were fighting and dying alongside in Afghanistan.

By the way, my mother is American. I have absolutely no desire to offend any Americans, especially those who lost their loved ones at Lockerbie . But it is wrong to try and harm an entire nation economically simply because you don't agree with the way its legal system works. If the ball were on the other foot, I would tell my fellow Scots they were entitled to their opinions but it was ultimately none of our business.




355

Gadzy,

30/08/2009 08:45:23
THE LABOUR ARE AT IT AGAIN. LIES, LIES LIES.IAN GRAY SHOULD BOW HIS HEAD IN SHAME.
356

Gadzy,

30/08/2009 09:15:58
Straw letters fuel new Megrahi row
5:23am today
Jack Straw decided two years ago that it was in the UK's "overwhelming interests" not to exclude the Lockerbie bomber from a prisoner transfer agreement with Libya, it has emerged.

Leaked letters from the Justice Secretary appeared to show that he backed away from efforts to stipulate that Abdelbaset Ali Mohmed al-Megrahi was exempt from the agreement, citing "wider negotiations" with the Libyans.

Mr Straw's stance was set out in letters to Kenny MacAskill, the Scottish justice secretary who recently provoked anger by releasing Megrahi on compassionate grounds.

The bomber was not released as part of the prisoner transfer agreement. But the disclosure of Mr Straw's letters, by The Sunday Times, is likely to raise questions about the Government's position on Megrahi's return to Libya earlier this month.

Ministers have rejected suggestions that the release was tied in to Britain's commercial interests but have refused to state whether they agree with Mr MacAskill's highly controversial decision.

The Sunday Times reported that Mr Straw's apparent change of stance came at a crucial time in negotiations about an oil exploration contract for BP in Libya. Six weeks after his change of heart, the deal was ratified.

In one of the letters, Mr Straw wrote: "I had previously accepted the importance of the al-Megrahi issue to Scotland and said I would try to get an exclusion for him on the face of the agreement. I have not been able to secure an explicit exclusion.

"The wider negotiations are reaching a critical stage and, in view of the overwhelming interests of the United Kingdom, I have agreed that in this instance the (prisoner transfer agreement) should be in the standard form and not mention any individual."

Liberal Democrat foreign affairs spokesman Ed Davey said the letters were the strongest evidence yet that the Government had been talking to the Libyans about Megrahi with a view to safeguarding B

 

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