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Long record of protests by Scot arrested over Beijing Olympic stunt



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Published Date: 07 August 2008
THERE'S nothing that Iain Thom won't campaign about. Described by friends as a "compassionate socialist", he has joined protest groups ranging from Freedom for Zimbabwe to Stop the Heathrow Expansion.
But his latest publicity stunt is the most audacious to date. Yesterday a dramatic pro-Tibet protest outside the Olympic stadium saw him arrested along with three other activists.

The Edinburgh 24-year-old, Lucy Fairbrother, from Cambridge, and two US activists unfurled a Free Tibet banner in Beijing, just hours before the Olympic torch was due to arrive in the city's Tiananmen Square.

All four are expected to be deported at the earliest opportunity, according to the Xinhua Chinese news agency.

Friends yesterday said they were not at all surprised by his actions on this latest crusade and said he had expected to be arrested.

In 2004, as an active member of Students for Free Tibet, he campaigned against the Chinese army's appearance at the Edinburgh Tattoo which saw a number of arrests.

A year later, he was among student demonstrators who padlocked a large banner to the city's Scott Monument in protest against the possible lifting of the EU arms embargo on China.

Lorraine Simpson, a friend and former neighbour, said Mr Thom was deeply moved by the Tibet campaign and was regularly involved in fund-raising for the cause.

She said: "I think his decision to get involved with Tibet was a gradual thing. He was passionate about the issue and has been for a number of years. He's a really kind-hearted, compassionate man. He was always skint, but he did a lot of voluntary work, always helping people out.

"Iain didn't tell me what he was going to do in China. He just said he was going to be busy over the Edinburgh Festival."

The Edinburgh University graduate was detained yesterday morning after climbing a 120ft-street light to hang a giant pro-Tibet banner.

The four protesters are members of the Students for a Free Tibet (SFT) group. They were arrested at 7am local time after having displayed two 140sq ft banners outside the heavily guarded Bird's Nest Olympic stadium for nearly an hour.

The protest came as a major embarrassment to the host nation ahead of tomorrow's opening ceremony. Two other SFT members, James Murray and Jenny Raynor, scaled Tower Bridge in London yesterday to display a banner that read: "Beijing 2008: Make Olympic History: Free Tibet."

Born in Inverness, Mr Thom was educated at Muir of Ord Primary School before moving on to nearby Dingwall Academy.

The 24-year-old graduated in environmental geoscience from Edinburgh University, where he was president of Tibet Society.

After a period of travelling, he was employed as an environmental justice project officer by Friends of the Earth and is currently on leave of absence.

On Facebook, the social networking site, he outlines his interests in 28 different protest groups. After his stunt dozens of messages of support flooded into his Facebook account. One of them read: "I know you won't read this but I'm writing it anyway.

"You are amazing. Well done."

Activist's passionate fight to give people their freedom

WAITING anxiously for news from China, Brian Thom said he was "extremely proud" of his son's stance on human rights.

Speaking from the family home in Muir of Ord, near Inverness, Iain's father said he had received a text from him since his arrest and had no reason to believe he had been treated inhumanely by the Chinese authorities.

"I am very proud of him. He is passionate about their human rights. I take my hat off to him.

"He has taken up the cause and wants to highlight it to the world."

Mr Thom said his son's interest in Tibet had been sparked as a student, and that he had visited the region shortly after graduating two years ago. He said he was aware of his son's protest plans before he left for China but did not try to stand in his way.

"He was so passionate about it I couldn't say don't do it. In fact, I wholeheartedly backed him.

"He set out to achieve something, and he has done that."

Iain's father, mother, Bettie, a district nurse, and younger sister Aileen, 21, were first alerted of his detention by the Students for a Free Tibet.

Mr Thom added: "An hour later we got a text from him to say he was well and he had been detained and they were looking after him. My wife and myself are worried about him, but we are sure he is safe and the Chinese will treat him fairly and we hope to see him soon."

Mr Thom recorded a statement while making his protest, suspended from a lighting pole.

He said: "I'm a long-term Tibet supporter and I feel that now is a really critical time for Tibet.

"We did this action today to highlight the Chinese government's use of the Beijing Olympics as a propaganda tool."


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  • Last Updated: 06 August 2008 11:34 PM
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  • Location: Edinburgh
  • Related Topics: 2008 Olympics
 
1

John Edwards,

07/08/2008 00:30:32
It's a shame he looks like a punk, it would mean more if he did not look feminine.
2

A Scot in China,

Chongqing 07/08/2008 00:45:25
I am embarressed, what a complete clown, for someone so smart how come he is so poorly informed. Why doesn't go home a protest about something meaningful, like what to do with the growing number of neds we have in Scotland and their anti social behaviour. Go down to Pilton or wester hails and unfold a flag that says "get to school and get an education neds" or "mum and dad, your kids are stealing cars whilst your out of it on buckie"
3

Scullion,

Canada 07/08/2008 01:15:12
How can someone who is involved in 28 different organizations convince anyone that he is committed to any? Although China should be constantly be protested against, as it is a gangster regime (#2 seems a typical apologist), this young man just comes off as being a professional crank.
4

Daft Old Git,

07/08/2008 01:15:48
Get a proper job and start paying back society for your education you waster
5

VoteoutLibLabConTraitors,

edinburgh 07/08/2008 01:25:14
Although I agree that China are in the wrong over Tibet and should withdraw immediately it's strange that he has the brass necked hypocrisy to complain.
Being British and being politically aware he must know that we helped to annexe Iraq and Afghanistan illegaly and to the dismay of the local population. China have undoubtably committed atrocities in Tibet but I doubt if it comes close to the ' Shock and Awe ' that we did to Iraq.
6

2dogs in D.C.,

07/08/2008 01:32:43
Yeah, but the right to protest,no matter what,and by whom, should be allowed, if done peacefully.
7

white cloud,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 01:35:28
He is idiot! Dont mind tibet, what about scotland?

If he died, do his parents still proud of him?

Tibet free or not, is not depends on chinese goverment and dalai lama, it is depends on tibetan who live in tibet NOT tibetan who live outside china.

which country hosts the olympic, that is voted by other countries, how could say Chinese government's use of the Beijing Olympics as a propaganda tool?

Does he think chinese people lack freedom in china? A edinburgh student simply think like this? I believe there are many chinese students at Edinburgh university, why donot ask them, then makes adjudgement?

Over 2000 chinese people for street demonstration on 19th April for olympic torch matter and medias are lopsided reported. If lack freedom in china, why chinese people stand up to protect these things?
8

Jock MacSprog,

07/08/2008 01:37:39
how embarassing the Scotland is so starved for news involving its own citizens that anything makes the front page. This story rated little more than 1 sentence if anything anywhere else in the world, yet here we are day 2 of coverage in the Scotsman. We really do need to stop gazing at our own navels in this country.
9

Fanling,

Switzerland 07/08/2008 02:08:13
This juvenile clown is no more than a simpleton idealist whose real life has yet to unfold. His idiot slobbering liberal father is little better, as seen on TV.

Seeking to take sides with an issue of which Iain Thom clearly has little understanding does neither him nor Scotland any favours. Let me see ... what are his worthy opinions (and blatant public demonstrations) on filthy neddery in his home city, for example? (See post #2) Silence? No surprise. How about Islam over Edinburgh? No comment? Immature fool. Complete fool, like the dimwits who called him a hero on a previous thread. Hero?? LOL!
10

A Scot in China,

Chongqing 07/08/2008 02:17:19
Daft old git #4, spot on mate
11

Deuchars,

07/08/2008 02:25:03
#4

I agree!
12

Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 02:25:21
#6 "Yeah, but the right to protest,no matter what,and by whom, should be allowed, if done peacefully."

Why? This is OUR country. OUR rules dude. I don't come to YOUR country and start carving up puppies for stew. If you are a guest in MY home you should have to good manners to respect my rules, as I would have the good manners to respect YOURS.
13

Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 02:27:19
#5 "Although I agree that China are in the wrong over Tibet and should withdraw immediately it's strange that he has the brass necked hypocrisy to complain."

We'll consider withdrawing from Tibet when all you whites have left the United States, Australia, New Zealand, Kenya, South Africa, Canada. You have no right to be there, no right to rule in the places where you do rule. Liberate THOSE people you hypocrits.
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07/08/2008 02:59:21
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07/08/2008 03:00:50
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postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 03:07:47
Mashimaro,
On page three of the regular news at the Scotsman, please read this story and see the classic comments.


"Edinburgh man among four arrested in Beijing for Tibetan protest"
17

postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 03:17:13
At the age of 24, he's a young man that should be working, and not travelling the Globe making a fool of himself while breaking the law.
Mashimaro has already summed it up as I did yesterday at the above mentioned article at post #16.
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07/08/2008 03:31:15
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 04:07:57
#12 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

"in MY home you should have to good manners to respect my rules, as I would have the good manners to respect YOURS."

Your gangster government didn't exactly respect these rules when it invaded and occupied Tibet, did it?

Instead, they are murdering, torturing and gaoling the Tibetan people, and filling their country with Han Chinese.

Like the Americans and their greed for oil in the Middle East, the gangster Chinese government wants to get its hands on all the natural resources in Tibet, at the expense of the Tibetan nation and people. They also want to get their hands on Xinjiang, with its vast gas, oil and mineral reserves, at the expense of the Uighurs.

So don't lecture us about respecting other people's rights when your imperialist gangster government are not prepared to do so.

20

DaughterofScotland,

Too far from Alba 07/08/2008 04:20:59
#7
"Over 2000 chinese people for street demonstration
on 19th April for olympic torch matter and medias
are lopsided reported. If lack freedom in china, why
chinese people stand up to protect these things?"

The Chinese government has said outright that only
"invited guests" are involved in these "pro" demonstrations, ie, handpicked by the government. Other people (whether they are "for" or "against") are kept far away from the invited guests and events by police and barriers. I don't think you can call such demonstrations illustrations of "freedom", do you?
21

Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 04:47:54
googoo... pot... kettle...black...

rant all you like, it's ours. It's been ours for longer than we've ever needed or wanted or thought we needed its natural resources so quit yer nonsense.
22

postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 04:48:31
#20 DaughterofScotland,
You need to realize why these measures have been put into place. They are there to protect all concerned, whether it be the athletes, foreign or Chinese visitors, foreign or Chinese media, and everybody present. You just can't have everybody doing whatever anywhere, for you lose control of the situation, and with global terror being truly global. we need to be prepared for the worst case scenario.
So by giving protesters a place to protest, away from the Olympic venues, it is easier to keep an eye on all concerned.
23

Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 04:49:40
#20 Yeah because they can't let 1.3 billion people out on to the streets to protest. Did you miss the protests at Carrefour? Did you miss the pro-China marches in the west and on the mainland. I know Scotland is at the end of the earth but you'd have to be in a coma not to have seen Chinese people stand up for China.
24

Pilrig.,

Livingston 07/08/2008 05:53:12
6 - tell that to the anti-democratic imperialist Maoist running dogs who've posted on this threid
25

A Scot in China,

Chongqing 07/08/2008 05:55:00
Most people seem to disregard the fact that since China brought back Tibet into the motherland after a ffity year absence things there have dramatically improved for all concerned, the Tibetans lived in serfdom prior to their liberation by the communists. The only problem the Chinese have is that the Dalai Lama runs a much better PR campaign than them when it comes to Tibet.
26

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 07/08/2008 05:56:21
What a waster !!

Wee man, grow up, join the real world and get yourself a job !
27

Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 06:00:20
#23 Mushy Marrow (The Rabid Rabbit).

Of course Chinese people stand up for China but, unfortunately, the majority tend to believe everything your imperialist gangster government brainwashes them into believing.

They are fed a diet of lies and propaganda by the likes of Xinhua and the gangster government controlled media. Any of them that have doubts, and have the temerity to express them, are immediately sent away for "re-education" and/or a long gaol sentence and/or a bullet in the back of the head.

China has the potential to be a great country, but it is being held back by a gangster government, supported by their PLA thugs.
28

Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 06:02:22
#25. You are obviously one of those people that would vote for a monkey with a red rosette.
29

postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 06:44:54
# Guga ll,
Here we go again old buddy. Now you notice that #25 is a Scot in China, and I'm a Canadian in China, and because we both live here, we both know that things in China have vastly improved. For once buddy, take our words for it. A Scot in China lives in Chongqing, a city I left four weeks ago to go on my honeymoon, and I'm heading to Shanghai when my honeymooon is over, for my company has transferred me back there.
So I have been around China a fair amount, because of my work, and I've seen a thing or two, and have talked to a couple or more people. All agree that China is not perfect, but has come a long way from the Tiananmen days nearly 20 years ago.
So China not only has the potential to be a great country, it already is, and steadily improving. So Guga ll, I'm inviting you again to visit our great country, you'll be pleasantly surprised, and I'll even let you stay with us in our home in Shanghai, free of charge. You buy the plane tickets, room and board are on me. Shanghai is a good jumping off point, for it is very modern and quite westernized, and after that you can slowly venture deeper into China and get the true feeling of China, without getting the sh!t shocked out of you because of the vast differences from the west. Offer is open anytime buddy, you know you'll always find me here in the comments section defending China.
30

Augusta,

Kirkcaldy 07/08/2008 06:51:05
History is made - Scot with a moral compass! Can it
be true?
31

postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 06:56:15
#30 Augusta,
Not all Scots are as arrogant and as ignorant as Sean Connery, and thank God for that.
32

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33

Boy Wonder,

07/08/2008 07:14:17
Well, I for one applaud Mr Thom ... at least he protested IN China, a country not known for its relaxed attitudes to ANY kinds of protests.

Some of us will never forget the Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 culminating in the Tiananmen Square Massacre.
34

postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 07:18:59
#32 James Donald,
How many times do I need to remind you that if you don't have any input on the story, then shut up and go back to sleep.
It irks you all to hell that the Chinese government is showing such a high level of responsibility, for you'd be happy if people were to die here attending our Olympics just so you could throw stones at us for being irresponsible.
So I'll say it again, if you have no input, shut the hell up, we all know how biased you are, and can't form a clear and unbiased opinion.
35

Rulesbutnotrulers,

Federation, not separation 07/08/2008 07:19:42
The young man looks to be a candidate for rent-a-mob. It's time he and his dad grew up and focussed on fewer issues. Tu Fat-Eck, leader of the TNP (Tibet National Party) must find such support more a handicap than a help.
36

postmarkfiftyphive,

China, 07/08/2008 07:28:24
#33 Boy Wonder,
So what exactly is it that you remember about the 1989 Tiananmen Square protests? Nothing, zero, zilch. What you remember is the garbage that your lying western media showed and told you, but you weren't actually here. So you know nothing first hand about it. It is what we more commonly refer to hearsay, nothing more.

If Iain Thom wants to protest here, we have designated public parks for just such occasions, for obvious reasons. It has been put in place to protect all concerned, and to keep things from getting out of hand, again, it's called responsible governing.

Break our laws, suffer the consequences, if we break yours while in your country and are caught, we too would lose our freedom, and rightly so.
37

donald,

glasgow 07/08/2008 07:39:56
Well done. When do British socialists ever protest for Scotland? Will he protest against the London Olympics?
38

MacGillicuddy,

07/08/2008 07:40:53
Congratulations again to Iain Thom and his friends. Video footage of the protest has been seen all around the world, except of course in Red China.
The outpouring from the pariah gangster government in Red China and its placemen is to be expected.
What kind of free speech and right to protest is it when the thugs and murderers you are protesting against dictate where and when you can protest and what you can say?
Oh and before I am accused of not knowing the situation I have been in China, I have been impeded and I have spoken to people who are in real fear of the dictatorship.
39

MR.CYNICAL,

a happy place 07/08/2008 07:44:30
time he went to ZIMBABWEE and protested, I wonder if we would see him again.
40

James Donald,

Newbridge 07/08/2008 07:49:27
#34 postmarkfiftyphive,Red cesspit - ...and how many times do I have to tell you that I don't take orders from Red scum? No matter how often and how much you defend the workers' paradise you will not convince anyone with your propaganda beyond a few "useful idiots".
Anything that hacks off Chicom trolls and their vile government can't be bad.....
41

wattie>x 1,

PLYMOUTH 07/08/2008 07:56:23
It would fit this blatant"publicity seeker" to fight and show the same concern for the restoration of his own Nation's freedom to become Independent!
Where does hhe find the finances for traveling around the planet to interfere in other Nation's internal problems?
It wouldn't be 10 Downing street who is his financiers
by any chanmce?
Does he ever do any worthwhile employment?
42

Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

07/08/2008 08:01:41
Lets go to China and get on the tele. Comes accross as just another clown trying to kick start a political career. He obviously knows best about everything but hey that's compassionate socialism for you. You are all idiots, Nanny State knows best.
~33 Boy Wonder, yes protested in China, knowing and relying on the fact he would most almost certainly only be deported to more media coverage.
43

Randomly Blocked Poster, ,

07/08/2008 08:03:22
41 Wattie - he works for Greenpeace so its the CIA who fund him.
44

The McKellarator,

07/08/2008 08:19:18
I'm glad to read here that everything in China is perfect and that the people of Tibet live in a harmonious land with flowery meadows and rainbow skies and, and rivers made of chocolate milk where the children dance and laugh and play with gumdrop smiles. I'm sorry it had to be ruined by a Napoleon Dynamite look-a-likey with excellent climbing skills. My hat is tipped in his direction. Well done young Mr. Thom.
45

Reiver97,

Borders 07/08/2008 08:31:39
Wealthy middle-class white brats really prove their 'progressive' credentials when they go tell johnny foreigner how to run their countries, don't they. Mummy and Daddy must be so proud. Not to mention those chaps at the Foreign Office.

Perhaps this 'compassionate socialist' should learn about how short and brutal life was in 'free' tibet before it was brought into the modern world by those evil communists with their 'oppressive' school, road, sanitation and hospital building programmes.

When anyone else can match China's acheivement in lifting 400 Million people from abject poverty in 30 years, surely the most fundamental of human rights, then perhaps they will have some moral authourity when it comes to lecturing others on their particular perceived shortfalls.

And let's just not mention Britains own perfidious role in China. The Opium Wars? Sorry, we dont talk about that do we?

Climbing lamposts whilst doing a bit of 'revolutionary' tourism and selling rubbish lefty papers outside Tesco's doesnt cut it in comparison really, does it?
46

Nubar Gulbenkian,

Somewhere near Beijing 07/08/2008 08:34:53
Keep watching the tv feeds!
Pip pip!
47

E1izabeth,

Gourock 07/08/2008 08:41:00
I can’t believe the lack of support this man has had on here, well done to him and all the other protestors for standing up for what they believe in, I hope he gets back home safely. Without the Iain Thoms of the world we’d have far fewer rights.
48

MacGillicuddy,

07/08/2008 08:44:09
#47
Absolutely
49

yockel,

07/08/2008 08:45:21
I agree send him to Zimbabwe, how about Darfur, the Rawand/Congo border or downtown Rio. Kitty to help him on his way, anyone?
50

Alan Reid,

NZ 07/08/2008 08:46:14
All the people who slag off this guy, of course stand up and do their bit for freedom whilst sitting on their backsides.

#44, I agree with you.

34 postmarkfiftyphive, was it not some Chinese students complained to Aberdden Uni, because someone had a poster of the Dalai Lama up in their window a while back?
Yes there is lots of things the Yanks do and have done wrong. But we're allowed to call their fool of a president just that, a fool! because it's the people have something called freedom, unlike the people of China who are MISruled by murdering scumbags.

Mashimaro, How did the Japanese school books calling the Rape of Nanking, "rough policing" grab you?

If you people want China to be respected as a superpower, thats fine, but China has to act like one.
51

yockel,

07/08/2008 08:47:26
#47 The little urd is already on a plane to Frankfurt. Will be a hero next.
52

yockel,

07/08/2008 08:48:32
#50 Just don't give Osama a lift.
53

Darrell Monteith,

Northern Ireland 07/08/2008 08:49:50
This type of loonie left winger probably also protested to get Mugabe into power in Zimbabwe as well, it is a pity so many protestors don't have much by way of brain and then they might be more circumspect and even get listened to more.
54

MacGillicuddy,

07/08/2008 08:54:54
#53
You obviously have little time for peaceful protesters. Perhaps you favour the kind of action so recently employed in your neck of the woods?
55

The McKellarator,

07/08/2008 08:58:55
Amazing how there's so much seething hysteria in this thread about a young man whose done nothing other than point out China's appalling human rights record.

It makes you wonder how sad the lives of those slamming him must be, how bitter and tormented they must be at the sight of someone expressing their cares and concerns that they come on here and yell like a baying pack. I mean "send him to Zimbabwe" wtf is wrong with you?
56

écossais at heart,

france 07/08/2008 09:08:23
I think this "Bash China" campaign is unfair in the sense that we "westerners" assume rather arrogantly that we have lessons to give to the rest of the world. OK, so China is not perfect but does that mean our model is perfect and therefore the only one that will fit the rest of the world? China has definitely accomplished a lot for its people over a short period of time despite he fact that "freedom of speech" and what we refer to as "human rights" are not (yet) their core values. But wouldn't you agree that they are moving in the right direction and that we should give them credit where credit is due?
57

57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:08:48
#25 ASnC

AS said:

"the Tibetans lived in serfdom prior to their liberation by the communists."

All communists are serfs. All communists are property of the state.
58

57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:12:28
#7 white cloud

wc said:

"Does he think chinese people lack freedom in china?"

He probably thinks that way the same reason everybody else does. We saw the way freedom in China is tolerated when the Chinese army slaughtered unarmed students in Tienanmen Square.
59

57Nomad,

07/08/2008 09:19:21
#56 écossais at heart

"China has definitely accomplished a lot for its people over a short period of time"

So did Mussolini and Hitler. Didn't last though.
60

AJ Fife,

07/08/2008 09:19:30
A brave laddie for sure. Thom acts on his instincts and beliefs in order to seek justice and truth, what can be wrong with that?

Too many auld fuddy duddies on this thread! Where's your spirit of adventure?
61

Angoos,

Baku, Azerbaijan 07/08/2008 09:21:17
For all those "lefties" on here that support this young guys actions so much can you answer one very simple question.

What exactly has this guy achieved that will aid anyone living in Tibet ?
62

Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:25:17
#59 Ah,but China has, and that galls you.
63

Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:26:37
He should have been imprisoned for giving false information to an immigration official. Six months you get for that.
64

Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 09:27:46
Ignoring the comments from Chinese government hacks, stooges and running lackeys who think we couldn't see the tanks in Tiananmen Square and conclude they were an overreaction to public protest (think Prague 1968 and the ultimate consequences of that), there does seem to be a perverse thread from the "get a job" brigade that somehow this guy shouldn't have the right to protest. If you can't be arsed, don't criticise someone who can and does. As for the people who claim to "know" China and the Chinese from their rich, ex-pat bubble with a bit of tourism to the "quaint" parts thrown in, I would simply say there are many Chinas (and many Chinese!), not all of them think as one as you insultingly imply.
65

Graeme,

Guangzhou 07/08/2008 09:28:30
#29

So true and well said.

I’m a Scot as well and i think it is a great place to live.

I wish Gaga would stop his ignorant rants and come and see the place. I was in Hong Kong in 89. The Chinese people were so so brave. China has moved on a huge amount since then. Rome was never built in a day.

BTW in China we all refer to Mr. Thom and his type as plicks!
66

Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 09:30:58
#64 "that somehow this guy shouldn't have the right to protest"

No, he does not have a "right" to protest in China. I don't give a rats what he does outside my country. But he has no RIGHT to protest in China. He lied to us. He broke our immigration laws. He broke our security laws. He should have been locked up.
67

Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:32:01
#60 I'd like to see his spirit of adventure when he's behind bars.
68

AJ Fife,

07/08/2008 09:35:17
#67,

No doubt you'd like to see him tortured and then executed as well!?


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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:41:43
#68 No, not really. Just getting what he deserves. Obviously he's been allowed to get away with it because ho ho ho, no one takes him seriously. But what he has done is indeed serious.
Other people who lie to immigration officials are punished. Why should he expect to get away with it?
that's not brave or clever. That's just trading on your white skin. It cheapens the efforts of those who risk being punished.
Do you think because he is a whiteman that the rules should not apply to him? That's extremely racist.
But that is exactly what has happened here.
If he had been Mongolian you would never have heard of him and he would serve his time, as is expected of petty criminals.
Why should there be one rule for him and one rule for other protesters?
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 07/08/2008 09:42:08
#66

Wall you really are not doing yourself any favours today! The right to disagree peacefully is surely an important basic freedom but then you wouldn't understand that. To you we appear undisciplined and irrational but its that freedom of expression that ultimately brought down the USSR and will see China as a democracy in the next 30 years.
71

Yeah1,

07/08/2008 09:42:47
#61

"What exactly has this guy achieved that will aid anyone living in Tibet ?"

Think about it. This story has been all over the media for the last 2 days, thats obviously going to create a lot of publicity for the Tibetan cause and bring it to the notice of people who didn't know about it before.

Clearly he can't march into Tibet and liberate the people himself so he did what he can to try and bring their plight to the attention of more people, which I'm sure he hopes will generate funding and publicity for the free Tibet campaign.
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Niall Leighton,

Perth 07/08/2008 09:43:31
He sounds like a decent, compassionate man out to right as many wrongs as possible. He's achieved massive publicity for his cause that many campaigners could only dream of. The world needs more people like him. I suspect that many of these "single-issue" organisations that Mr Thom is involved with are about all kinds of other issues surrounding human rights and grubby capitalism and imperialism. The Freedom for Zimbabwe campaign would be a case in point of the former.

I would be proud to be his friend. More power to his elbows!
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Seonaid C.,

Stornoway 07/08/2008 09:48:21
Well done, Iain Thom. Of course there are other issues deserving of protest - Zimbabwe, Iraq, the quality of education in Pilton - but why should that mean he should not protest against the Chinese destruction of Tibetan language and culture, especially when such a protest will raise the issue throughout the world? If Chinese human rights have improved so much since Tienanmen Square, why has it taken the Olympics to extend internet access? And how far has it extended?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 09:55:35
#70 How about our RIGHT to run OUR country the way WE want to run it? YOU don't get to decide what RIGHTS are in MY country, capice! YOU and YOUR countrymen can do what your like in YOUR country. This is not YOUR country and YOU have no say about what is a right and what is not.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 07/08/2008 09:58:48
#74
We have proper elections so our country is actually run by who the people decide, your country is run by an autocratic elite totally for their benefit.
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Guga II,

Rockall 07/08/2008 10:00:29
#29 Skidmark.

Thankyou for your kind offer. However, I have already been to China a couple of times, though not in the last ten years. Incidentally, I did try to go to Tibet, but there were a number of PLA thugs with AK47's at the border that wouldn't let me through. That happened twice, from the Chinese side of the border and from the Nepalese side of the border.
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Yeah1,

07/08/2008 10:02:48
#74

"How about our RIGHT to run OUR country the way WE want to run it? YOU don't get to decide what RIGHTS are in MY country, capice! YOU and YOUR countrymen can do what your like in YOUR country. This is not YOUR country and YOU have no say about what is a right and what is not."

What a ridiculous thing to say.

Are you suggesting that every country in the world should be left to do what it wants, and other countries should stand by while, for example, a country commits mass genocide or starts murdering its citizens for no reason?

You may not like it but some people in the world actually care about the citizens of other countries and feel that their governments should do something when those citizens are having their human rights violated and so on.
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 10:15:36
Dear Mashimaro, you seem to be labouring under the delusion that "rights" can be defined differently as a country's regime sees fit and are not absolute. Why do you feel so threatened by the right to peaceful protest? And why you are you so het up about one westerner's upfront tragnsgression of your immigration laws while not caring about the thousands of CHINESE people in gaol for expressing their own views? Others have pointed out the folly of your own "my country, my rights" approach.
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proud to be a scot,

Beijing 07/08/2008 10:26:09
Ni Hao,

What a Baw bag, He indeed does have the right to protest, but it is the Law in China that public protests are not allowed. whether we agree or not we have to respect that not all countries have the same beliefs as us, Laws as us. China has many social issues and is not perfect by any means but having lived here for twelve years now i have seen so many signs of improvement not only for the business community but the local people as well. foreign media will never report the good things only the bad and that has to stop.

As for this sad virgin thinking that being a part of 28 protest groups is something to feel proud for me it shows that yes he may be compassionate to the plight of many but i just think it hides the fact that he looks like a sad individual trying to make up for very sad lonely life.

Again it is his right to protest but it is also the right of the government to punish him to the letter of the LAW.

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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 10:29:35
#77 "You may not like it but some people in the world actually care about the citizens of other countries and feel that their governments should do something when those citizens are having their human rights violated and so on."

Yeah, we've seen how you people "care". The people in Vietnam love how much you "cared". Those in Korea and Laos too. Let's ask those kids in Afghanistan if they like how much you CARE for them.
What goes on in MY country is none of YOUR business.
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proud to be a scot,

Beijing 07/08/2008 10:32:24
#29

I will be travelling to Shanghai in the next few weeks several times and it is great to see another person who will defend China when all of the Western media influenced people pick up newspaper or flick on the TV news and see a story about china and decide to jump on the bandwagon,

would like to buy you a Tsing Dao some time

Cheers
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 10:35:06
#79 Excuse me. It is not against the law in China to protest. In fact there are specially designated places for people to protest in Beijing. He broke the law by lying to immigration officials and should be punished accordingly.
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Alan Reid,

NZ 07/08/2008 10:38:50
78 Privateman, Well said.

Mashimaro,China, Also China should never have never been given the Olympics in the first place, they said they would do something about human rights and such like, however we can all see that is a lie.
This Olympics will be like the Berlin 1936 games.

Another thing, Chinas record on humans right is a disgrace, BUT their animals rights record is even worse. Why don't you have a look at the following link, and then try to defend it.

http://www.peta.org/feat/ChineseFurFarms/index.asp
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 10:38:55
#75 Again, that is NONE of your business. Many countries in this world do not have democratically elected leaders. How would you like it of we started protesting in your country because we wanted YOU to have a dictatorship?
Democracy is not the end game here. You might force it on China eventually but it will not be without a lot of misery, starvation and bloodshed. Excuse me if I choose not to support that.
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All Politicians are the same,

Scotland 07/08/2008 10:47:19
#84

yes listening to the will of the people misery, hardship and bloodshed. You just summed up your horrible dictatorship. You know its coming.
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AJ Fife,

07/08/2008 10:49:35
Mashimaro is taking some big hits here and we've not even mentioned the Chinese diet and medicine issues yet!

How do you like your Panda brains sir, boiled or poached?
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 10:50:21
"What goes on in MY country is none of YOUR business" is it Mashimaro?

Like what goes in all the African countries where China is economically interested is none of your business, or whether or not we choose to buy Chinese goods is none of your business. Wake up sunshine! It's a global world and you can't be part of it just for the bits you like and tell others to back off for the bits you don't.
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Urban Guerrilla,

Edinburgh 07/08/2008 10:54:32
Any peaceful protest that annoys the horrible Chinese government and shows them how they're despised over here is good news as far as I'm concerned.
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Mashimaro,

07/08/2008 10:56:50
#86 wow, like...oh my...boo hoo... I've never heard that before...

actually I like them fried boiled with pig's bum. Yum yum.
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Biker,

Ayr 07/08/2008 10:56:57
Mashimaro. What about HUMAN rights, which the Chinese said they would improve (along with air quality) before the Olympics. They have resolutely NOT done so and the IOC has allowed this despite their original demands. China has flown in the face of human rights world wide. Wittness the fiasco in Zimbabwe. Along with Russia blocking embargos an trade sanctions, whilst supplying arms and tractors for Mugabi's regime. Get real clown, Mr Thom has every right to protest as he sees fit, even if it embarrasses the Chinese government. The transition to democracy in China could not be any worse than your situation is, with starvation, misery and bloodshed already suffered by many.
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TimW1234,

Ottawa, Canada 07/08/2008 10:57:02
#1

Your post reveals that you may judge people on superficial levels and his appearance - whether it be "feminine" or masculine or whatever - does not detract from his right to protest. I think he just looks like a bespectacled dyed-blonde with a most unremarkable face.

But I do think that he is spreading himself thin by being "interested" in 28 protest groups. Does this mean he is actively involved in all these groups or concentrates his demonstrations and travels on a select few?

I am getting the feeling that day by day these Beijing Olympics will go down in history as being the most politicised and argumentative and repressed in the history of the Olympic movement.

This does not bode well for the reputation of China on the world stage and may just confirm what many have thought about China for years and is demonstrated daily by the suppression of protests and the extraordinary security measures being taken, although those measures are surely necessary in this contentious and violent world we live in now.

Why is it that the Olympics have devolved into demonstrations of nationalistic pride and the competitve sports aspect seems to have taken second place?
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Matt there,

Somewhere 07/08/2008 10:57:16
A Scot in China, you are a disgrace!

You suck at the teat of the so-called "motherland" and ape the line spun by the vile communist ghovernment.

And as for Mashimaro? Don't like the heat of world opinion? Stay out of the kitchen and get out of Tibet, while you are at it.
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MacGillicuddy,

07/08/2008 11:03:08
The Commie apologists of Red China must be having a very busy time today riposting all the supportive comments for yesterday's heroes who unfurled the Free Tibet banner in Beijing in most of the world's newspapers.


I am sure we will see more Free Tibet activities during the course of the games. Let's hope so.

Although George Bush is no better than the murdering Hu, I wonder if his comments about the pariahs will make the news bulletins across Red China?
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:05:52
#78

You seem to be under the illusion that China is some sort of British colony. Rights are indeed defined by countries and nations as it suits them. That's why, usually, countries become signatories to agreements with other countries when they share the same ideals. They don't scream and shout and kick and spit like you guys do to impose their view on others.

Do not tell me whether or not I care for those Chinese in prison. You don't know me or what I stand for.
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Mashimaro,

China 07/08/2008 11:14:41
#92 Tibet is part of China eejit. It has been part of China for around 800 years. Are you Brits just upset because you got your butts kicked when you tried to invade it and shot up all those innocents?
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Privateman,

Anywhere but here 07/08/2008 11:14:54
#96 Mashimaro - ditto you mate. You don't know me or what I think either, but at least we're both being allowed to express our views in this discussion. I'm not under any illusions about colonial attitudes. Where did you get that from? Ever heard of the UN Commission on Human Rights? I thought China was a member of the UN. Well, do you care about the Chinese in prison or not? Let's hear it from you.

Some of your comments ("kick and spit") suggest you aren't to be taken seriously.