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Published Date: 07 March 2007
IT HAS taken more than 40 years, but those who have campaigned for improvements to the famous A830 Fort William-Mallaig tourist route can finally see their efforts nearing the end of the road.
Tavish Scott, the transport minister, announced yesterday that the final four miles of the Road to the Isles which is still single-track is to be upgraded.

Morrison Construction has been given the job of converting the final section of the A830 Fort William-Mallaig road into two lanes. Work is due to start in June on the tortuous, single-track carriageway, complete with passing places, between Arisaig and Loch nan Uamh. It will take about 18 month to complete.

The improvements will reduce delays on the road, where traffic from fish lorries to tourist coaches heading for the Small Isles and Skye have to share the same stretch of tarmac.

A series of improvements to the 17-mile stretch of the road between Mallaig and Lochailort has cost £22.8 million.

Historic route hailed in song


"BY TUMMEL and Loch Rannoch and Lochaber I will go..." is a familiar line in the ever-popular song, The Road to the Isles. It more readily recalls, in fact, the old road south out of the West Highlands, in the series of ancient trackways which acted as trading routes to the southern burghs and the cattle droving roads from island grazings south to Stirling and Falkirk. The song did not seem to take us much further than Lochaber, and we are left, in a flurry of knapsacks, "cromags" and heather, to imagine the last stretch through to the Minch and the Hebrides.

There was always something less familiar about the road west at this point, to the extent that the 19th-century guidebooks, such as Robert Hall's Scottish Tourist and Black's Picturesque Tourist, would wax lyrical on the locations of Scott's poems and novels, or diligently follow the footsteps of Prince Charlie. In all their sustained flow of editions, they remained strangely vague over the bits in between.

West of Glenfinnan was unknown territory - known traditionally as Moidart and Arisaig - and it always seemed to retain much of its rugged mystery as Na Garbh-Chriochain or "The Rough Bounds". This was the eastern buffer territory of the former Lordship of the Isles of Clan Donald, and more recently the estates of Clanranald. Gaelic language and literature, song and music flourished in this stronghold, whose links were as readily with Spain and France as with Edinburgh and London.

The district had been opened up by that energetic engineer Thomas Telford, when he directed the government to build the so-called "Parliamentary Road", beginning in Banavie and Corpach in 1803 and running out to Arisaig. It was called in the official papers of the Commission for Highland Roads and Bridges the "Loch-na-Gaul" road, and it is this same piece of road, from Loch nan Uamh to the village of Arisaig, that is now finally going to be engineered to finish the process begun by Telford in the early 1800s.

If we think of the Highlands as bare and rocky hills and high tops, this once-hidden land to the west of Fort William challenges this impression with its cover of birch and rowan and its ancient oak woods.

The last winding stretch of the former "Parliamentary Road" will always be remembered for the trees crowding down the slopes and obscuring the view of the motorist. But this was a symbol of the wealth and fertility of the lands of Clanranald, praised by its poets and remembered proverbially as "dark Arisaig of the woods" - Arasaig dubh ghorm a' bharraich.

The exceptional qualities of the road to the isles were also recognised by the outstanding folklore collector of the mid-20th century, the late Calum Maclean of the School of Scottish Studies.

The description in his 1959 Batsford edition, The Highlands, glows with admiration for Morar, Arisaig and Moidart, but focuses on the people as well as the views. His esteem for the friendliness and hospitality of the district, the wealth of tradition and a faithfulness to the past, is a timely reminder that nothing makes the road to the isles so rich as the folk who dwell along it.
HUGH CHEAPE

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1

bill inch,

edinburgh 07/03/2007 03:17:20

no doubt they will recoup this expenditure from congestion charging. or is handout land exempt??

2

SouthernSkye,

Currently Köln 07/03/2007 06:47:23

"......Work is due to start in June on the tortuous, single-track carriageway, complete with passing places, between Arisaig and Loch nan Uamh. It will take about 18 month to complete......"

So, they start in the tourist season 2007 and will work through the 2008 tourist season.Where as starting after the tourist season 2007, say end of September 2007, the 18 months work would only be happening during one tourist season, 2008. Logical Govt I suppose....Jeez!

3

Greenheatman,

07/03/2007 07:04:33

Is there an election soon? This is the first major road works north of the Great Glen for at least 5 years.

4

Cadgers,

Perth 07/03/2007 07:29:30

All those lovely trees.

5

Brianwci,

www.edinburghtechniques.co.uk 07/03/2007 07:55:26

And not before time and yes greenheatman, there is indeed an election soon and hopefully all the voters who have ever needed to use those old often dangerous roads will vote accordingly.

Tourism has been a growth industry all over the world since air travel became more accessible to all in the 70s and 80s but you would never know it by the amount of money that London has spent helping tourism in Scotland.

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Brisbane Scot,

07/03/2007 07:57:05

Lets hope the new independant Scotland builds Road, Rail links to open up the highlands and Islands for new towns. Perhaps then we can spread the population to more areas and give the ordinary Scot and his children the chance to escape the matchboxes they live in now. The existing standards of housing creates the problems that are always credited to the Scots. Suicide, Drugs, Alcohol, Crime, Poor Health and many more symptons of low self respect. Wouldnt anyone suffer the same problems if they suffered the same third world conditions that they have been brainwashed into accepting as their lot in life.

Its Time for Scotland to be run by confident well educated healthy Scots. It wont happen if we remain cap in hand. Someone mentioned the question about whether Scots overseas would return to or work towards a successful Scottish Nation. I am a successful migrant and would at a minimum do everything I can to promote investment in a stand alone Scottish Nation. Believe me many of my Scots mates think exactly the same way.

Its Time !!

7

musicismylife,

07/03/2007 08:40:23

Just finished typing up from what Scaramouche dictated down the phone to me. Thank goodness the daft old git's home on Friday. This is not my idea of how to spend a morning.

Scaramouche’s Road To The Isles

A far croonin' is pullin' me away
As drive I wi' my Cortina to the road.
The far Cuilins are lookin' real good to me
As drive I wi' the Cortina and its load.

Sure by Tummel and Loch Rannoch and Lochaber I will go
Even tho' I've been driving now for miles an' miles
If you're goin' for a picnic, then take a great big tent
Cos it's the wettest part o' these bluidy Isles!!

Oh the far Cuilins are lookin' real good to me
As drive I wi' my Cortina to the Isles.
It's by Shiel water the track is to the west
By Aillort and by Morar to the sea

Sure by Tummel and Loch Rannoch and Lochaber I will go
Even tho' I've been driving now for miles an' miles
If you're goin' for a picnic, then take a great big tent
Cos it's the wettest part o' these bluidy Isles!!

They're finishing off that final stretch o' road
And thankful I will be tae get my motor free
Cos the tyres were a' squealin' as I pulled away
And baldy tyres make a car quite lame
The blue islands from the Skerries to the Lewis
Can all sod off now as I'm heading for my wee non-highland hame!!!

Sure by Tummel and Loch Rannoch and Lochaber I will go
Even tho' I've been driving now for miles an' miles
If you're goin' for a picnic, then take a great big tent
Cos it's the wettest part o' these bluidy Isles!!

*adapted from "The Road To The Isles" by Marjory Kennedy-Fraser and Kenneth MacLeod (1917)

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Ken S.,

England 07/03/2007 08:54:42

#8. musicismylife
Cor, an' you 'ad to take dictation dahn in a forrin langwidge 'n' all!

Glad to hear that Scaramouche is soon to be unleashed on an adulating public once again.

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Gusto,

07/03/2007 08:56:56

5. Rulesbutnotrulers, - naw! - they'll be a tropical paradise in 100 years - just a bit further up the hill(s) - but the lowland belt had better be a lifebelt!
Wasnt it Imlach who ended the ditty's chorus with "Oh! you've never done the tango wi' the piles"

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 07/03/2007 09:05:46

In the 21st Century, it is incredulous to believe that there is still such a thing such as an officially designated single track trunk road in Scotland!
Ireland's National Roads Agency is presently constructing 880 kilometres of 3-lane standard motorway to connect every corner of that country, along with the upgrading of a further 1000 kilometres of rural roads, bypasses, and high quality single and dual carriageways! Whilst the Scottish Executive agonises about the cost of a new Forth Road Bridge, the Irish government has completed the Dublin Port Tunnel, and are about to construct the multi-billion Euros Shannon Tunnel! The 1000 metre Immersed Tube Tunnel under the River Shannon at Limerick will be one of the longest in Europe! During the present 8 year infrastructure programme the Irish government intends to spend an average of one and a half billion Euros per year on modern communications, unlike Scotland which is still stuck with single track roads! Lachie Todd

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blair,

East Lothian 07/03/2007 09:12:03

#5 It is London and the Home Counties that will be under water. Apart from Global Warming Scotland is rising and South-East England is sinking. 50 years ago I gave it about 100 years before London would be awash.

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07/03/2007 09:13:30
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GP,

07/03/2007 09:18:52

7 # absolutely spot on.
The main issues both social and economical derives from under investment in infrastructure.
Ruralchildren gron up and are forced to leave die to lack of work. Nothing changed in the last 100 years on this front. The ruling elite have always ensure that Edinburgh and Glasgow get the jam. In these modern days of technoligy there would be nothing to stop inward investment IF the governemnt wanted it. They don't they all prefer to keep the more rural areas rural for their walks. In the 21st century for the fifth richest country in the world to be happy with sub standard infrastructure is beyond me. Scotland is a small country and it should have been able long ago to setup a programme of infrastructure works that would ensure acces to work. It hasn't why?
In this day and age we should have 6 lane arterial routes up the west down the east and across the middle. North of the central belt all cities should have 4 lane routes reducing to a minimum of 3 lane roads everywhere else. Railroads should link to airports and highways. Buses should link to air and reail station. Ferries should link to air rail and road. Finally joint up timetables for bus, train, plane and ferry would be a massive yet simple improvement.
Someday we will have people who put petty politics behind (the union v boss war should have ended) them and focus on the real needs of a modern vibrant Scotland.

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Lachie Todd,

Edinburgh 07/03/2007 09:20:38

In the 21st Century, it is incredulous to believe that there is still such a thing as an officially designated single track trunk road in Scotland! Ireland's National Roads Agency is currently constructing 880 kilometres of 3-lane motorway to connect every part of that country! It is also upgrading rural roads, building hundreds of bypasses, and 1000 kilometres of high quality single and dual carriageways. Whilst the Scottish Executive agonises about the cost of a new Forth Crossing, the Irish government has completed the multi-billion Euros Dublin Port Tunnel and is about to start building the Limerick Tunnel! The 1000 metre Immersed Tube Tunnel under the River Shannon at Limerick will be one of the longest in Europe! In its present 8 year infrastructure programme, the Irish government intends to spend an average of one and a half billion Euros a year on modern communications, unlike Scotland, which is still stuck with single track roads! Lachie Todd.

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jennie,

07/03/2007 09:22:42

#2 Southern Skye - donj't blame the government on this, blame the contractor - but the trouble with roadworks is that the winter is the worst time for them, so starting in autumn 2007 wouldn't make sense.
it's a shame that the traffic which necessitates this isn't using the train. I really don't see why fish can't be sent by rail instead of lorries when there is a perfectly good line from Mallaig to Ft William. But that would probably be too sensible.
And if the Executive can be bounced into this, why no upgrade to the A9 which carries far, far more traffic? Don't we North Highlanders vote?

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07/03/2007 09:33:56
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DMK,

Livingston 07/03/2007 09:44:22

Unfortunately roads can't be built out of the tourist season, if we tried to do otherwise the roads would NEVER be improved.

We don't need 3 lane motorways throughout Scotland but when I've told friends down south that in the far West and far North there are"A" roads that are single track they don't believe me- most folk in the south east have never seen a single track road and don't know how to use them

Transport links are vital to Scotland, it is naturally tempting to be sceptical about the timing of this announcement, along with the new Forth Crossing impetus too but I'm not going to complain, our communities need this work NOW. Hopfully the electorate will see through teh bribe anyway.

A real election bribe would be to actually commit to connecting Edinburgh by motorway to any other major City (sorry Stirling) instead of by cart track.

But where's the joined up thinking?

Inverness is still cut off from dual carriage way; endless carnage caused by frustrated drivers stuck behind Tesco wagons trundling at their speed limit of 40mph overtaking in crazy places.

The same for Aberdeen's links to the West.

Don't even get me started on the roads north of Inverness or Ullapool.........

But in the south what about the A77 to Stranraer, especially once the move the ferry port 5 miles AWAY from the nearest train station?

There are so many issues on our Transport plate that are not being dealt with, much of the problem is because the Executive are from the Cities, have no concept of either real rural day to day life or more particularly actually trying to make a living in this country.

After all if you've grown up in Glasgow, with extensive rail, bus, underground on your doorstep; have then gone to University in another city or at home; have gone straight into Politics without making a living for your self then how can you conceive of the issues that face the real people out there??

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Falsyde,

HIGHLAND SEP 07/03/2007 09:51:25

As some one else has already commented, it beggars belief that Scotland of the 21st century still has 'A' Class roads which are single track! But the other comment was on the money ........ "could there be an election coming?" You bet and the LibDems are so wedded to power, shared or not they will conive at, and manipulate anything to hang on.

There is a funy story attached to this however, when he came to look at the road last year it was suggested he travel in the cab of a truck to see the extent of the problem for businesses in making their living under these conditions. The driver set off like a bat out of hell, twisting, turning, braking and accellerating, it wasn't long before the poor minister was honking on his lap and out the window.

As I well know, West Highlanders have a sense of humour, not too sure about some of these precious numpties though. Titter not, titter not.

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Falsyde,

HIGHLAND SEP 07/03/2007 10:09:39

There truly are some "other world" posts on this subject. Sending fish by train for example, this is FOOD and it needs to travel and arrive fresh within hours, not days, so the loading unloading is out. This kind of business is time critical. There are NO point to point rail services in this part, or for that matter any part of the Highlands with very few exceptions.

As to the remark by the same person on why can't they use other forms of public transport, as a Highlander it amazes me to see or listen to the tripe soem folk come out with, WHAT PUBLIC TRANSPORT would that be then? My vilage has two buses a day and we are well served by comparison with others, two of these buses included the school run, so what happens when they shut tmany of the local sub post offices? More cars on the road, more carbon emissions, more hardship for the infirm and elderly, but heh, living in the central belt why should the majority worry. Most of the Ministers never leave the central belt, high proportions have never evcen been to the Highland. Holidays? they are off to waddle around Blackpool or the Costas.

The SEP's manifesto, shortly to be published, is proposing that the whole A9 be dualed from Perth to Inverness first off, the new railway bridge across the Beauly firth must be built to cut emissionS and time traveled. The railway should be electrified, at least as far as Inverness, if they can do it in Portugal then we can do it here too. We want to see a Free Port at Invergodon - Nigg, it is hugely successful In Danmark it could and should be here too.

Scotland's economy has been bled by London for decades, at least since the last war. We have a annual surplus 2004/5 of £ 9.632 BILLION not the mince published in the fiction known as GERS. We have the resources, they are being stolen, but once more the electorate will continue to put their votes in the hands of those Unionists who stuff us day in day out, either from right on robbery through to bla

20

Upbeat,

07/03/2007 10:10:45

17
"however the reason that the majority of investment goes to the central belt is because that is where most people live."

And why do you think this has occured. The answer is because the infrastructure is better there.

Chicken or egg ?

The costs of living in the remoter parts of the Highlands are inflated because almost everything has to be brought in, or transported out by road , from outside the region. Given a decent road infrastructure system transport costs would come down, and as journey times and transport costs dropped employment prospects would improve. More jobs would provide career opportunities for the young in remoter areas, and the drain of able and talented young people to seek work, housing and a questionable improvement in "lifestyle" in the overcongested central belt would end.

But near Arisaig the truth is that the Tourist traffic was disrupted two summers ago by survey work, then again last summer by tree felling work in preparation for the road building. Since then...all this winter... little has happened.

But instead the work in Glencoe which was supposed to have lasted 15 months is only creeping to a conclusion this month. some 21 months..two tourist seasons later..at the expense of huge delay and disruption to the west highlands.

If anybody from Glasgow wants to drive what is in many places effectively a single track trunk road they only need drive 30 miles north up the side of Loch Lomond. Turn right at Tarbet towards Crianlarich, and enjoy the experience of the main west coast road to the Highlands the A 82.

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Fsix,

Faire nan eilann glasgow 07/03/2007 10:13:15

Looking at the comments above it's clear to me that most have never take the road west from Ft William to Mallaig. If they had they would know that the new road takes a different route to the old road so entailing the minimum disruption to traffic.

As for using the train to take fish to Ft William this sounds plausible until you realise that most of the fish goes to the East Coast and to facilitate transport by train would require a route via Glasgow etc. greatly increasing transport costs as well as freshness.

Time for some city luvvies to take the “road to the Isles”, methinks.

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Dayvan Cowboy,

07/03/2007 10:14:36

Hurrah - an improvement to scotlands Infrastructure !

Or.. greet greet whinge .

Your choice.

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Willie,

07/03/2007 10:18:20

I do so like your readers comments.
Anyone anywhere in the world can talk with authority on things they know nothing about including our transport minister.
Living in this idyllic part of countryside paying exactly the same taxes as those in Edinburgh, Glasgow or Inverness we have undoubtedly the worst road system in Scotland, and the worst value for money.
The A86 has single track round Loch Laggan, the A82 has Pulpit Rock and traffic lights covering a single track which has been there for 30 years.
Then there is the wonderful railway, scenically one of the most wonderful journeys in the world about 95 miles from Glasgow to Fort William and takes 3 hours and 41 minutes. Add on the remaining 46 miles to Mallaig and the journey from Glasgow takes 5 hours and 9 minutes.
Then of course there's all the benefits 92 inches of rain, and the feeling that our politicians consider us thick.
Well Tavish you may have Charlie Kennedy but you better put your hand in your pocket smartish if you want anymore.

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Upbeat,

07/03/2007 10:21:51

20 Falsyde

would be amused to learn that Kippers from Mallaig were traditionally served in the best Hotels in London for breakfast, hroughout the early 20th century straight off the overnight sleeper train connection from Mallaig .

Today bulk live fish from fish farms up and down the west coast is transported in articulated road tankers transport from the harbour at Mallaig to the processing plant in Fort William. The rail line ends 200 yards from the harbour, the processing plant is less than 200 yards from the same rail line. But road tankers are cheaper than rail freight and more flexible...so the fish is kept fresher ? and fish products stay cheaper.

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Upbeat,

07/03/2007 10:32:19

22 Fsix

"If they had they would know that the new road takes a different route to the old road so entailing the minimum disruption to traffic."

Somehow , as one who recalls previous road reconstruction works in the highlands, (a long time ago in most cases ! ) this reconstruction is unlikely to happen the way you imagine . At every point where the new route crosses the old there will be " temporary" traffic lights. After all plant and machinery have just the one 10 foot wide road to access the area.

No ....whatever the new route, the contractors are very, very unlikely to build by starting in from one end like a 19th century railway crew. ..and to dream that they might is.. unfortunately for the Tourism industry throughout this region just a dream.

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W Smith,

Middle East 07/03/2007 10:39:10

The Labour Party (or Gordon Brown?) has spent 4,000 billion pounds since coming to power in 1997 and yet we still haven't upgraded the Perth to Inverness road.

How much money has been wasted is just mind boggling - and yet there are some roads in Scotland that have barely been touched in the last 50 years.

I think the A9 should be 3 lane motorway not dual carriageway out of safety concerns.

I remember several horrendous accidents on the Dundee to Perth dual carriageway due to traffic travelling at motorway speeds involving vehicles trying to carry out the right turn.

These accidents forced the government to spend money on flyovers and underpasses on this route making it safe and fast - too late for those who died over 25 + years.

No doubt 'cost' will be a concern amongst those who have already pi**** a national fortune against the wall on other useless projects.

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Willie,

07/03/2007 11:10:56

Maybe the A9 would be safer if they put film in the speed cameras they do have?

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SouthernSkye,

Currently Köln 07/03/2007 11:17:36

16. jennie ...
Accepted that the contractors would not wish the two lots of Winter work. >of course, the current plan, allows for 2 x midge seasons instead of one
:-)).

22 Fsix......
I seldom use this route. However the construction traffic will still need to get to location which will be via the existing road and, as others have stated, the new road will need to conjoin/cross the old.

However, it IS a good idea, especially now the Sleat/Armadale road has been improved. This will allow traffic to get all the way from FortWilly to Portree!

29

Bill, Dunblane,

07/03/2007 11:44:22

On the Levy story - last comment posted 10:33 now 11:43

Notice comments must be vetted before being accepted.

Whasup?

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Heinrich,

Judique 07/03/2007 11:55:53

Means of travel alter perceptions. I shall miss the wonderfully enclosing woods of old Clanranald, the humid warmth on hidden summer days.

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robbie runciman,

lydd 07/03/2007 11:56:40

I have visited this area many times and think that the £22.8m is wasted on (yet) another road scheme and the executive did not think sustainably and imaginatively. It should have sought ways to invest the same money in the railway so that fish lorries and tourists found it easier to use the railway train, leaving the roads for locals.

I read somewhere that building a railway to relieve congestion counts as a tax loss to the treasury becuase they add notional figures for loss of petrol tax, vat and road tax. I guess it works the other way for roads.

As to the example of Ireland, remember we all (as citizens of the EU) helped pay for that investment and will continue to do so whilst their economy is in in transition. The 'celtic tiger' is underpinned by EU grants and ease of access to large english speaking economy close by! it is still easy to find poor quality trunk routes in Ireland.

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Lianachan,

Highlands 07/03/2007 12:07:52

Crivvens - it'll be dual carriageway all the way from Perth to Inverness next!

But don't hold your breath. The backbone of the Highlands doesn't seem to matter enough.

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Deasún,

Glasgow 07/03/2007 12:33:50

Lachie Todd has obviously never travelled in Ireland! Try the M50 Dublin Motorway, 5 miles tail backs at the Toll Plaza, outside of rush hour, five and half hours to travel from Dublin to Galway, three and half hours from Dublin to Belfast (on a Toll Road), around seven years to complete the Dublin Port Tunnel (which still doesn't accommodate the largest vehicles and was massively over-budget). Three lanes Motorways? Give me a laugh; there are hardly any TWO lane Dual Carriageways in the Republic resulting in three hour journey time from Laoise to Dublin etc. Take a look at a motoring map of Ireland and you will find that it is very similar to the UK equivalent, from the sixties – very few Motorways/Dual Carriageways and very few bypasses. Certainly, road building is taking place – in Meath/Tara. Not only is this the equivalent of building a motorway through Glen Coe, it is a toll road. Indeed, should you live in Meath and work in South Dublin, you can expect to travel through six tolls per day, every day which will cost around €6,000 per annum.

I spent this summer travelling in the Highlands and found the infrastructure quality to be massively superior to Ireland’s. And don’t even start me on the traffic…

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MacCoinnich,

07/03/2007 12:42:03

If Ireland are building masses of roads, or as #34 suggests, they aren't, but have ridiculous amounts of traffic, then it's due to the whole way the country has developed. Since 'Bungalow Bliss' the country has been suburbanised, and nowadays the irish drive more miles per person per year than any other country in the world, including the USA.

Thankfully, Scotland hasn't gone down this route.

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neil f,

fife 07/03/2007 12:43:24

FOR CHRISSAKE IT'S JUST A BLOODY ROAD BEING UPGRADED!!!!

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I'm no really here,

07/03/2007 12:47:47

#8 musicismylife: Nice to hear. When he gets home give him a good cuff about the ear for scaring you and the family.

From the picture the only "trunk" thing about that stretch of road would be the trees that fall on it in bad weather.

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Calum Crubag,

07/03/2007 12:50:45

~Bha lan thide ac' seo a dheanamh.

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Upbeat,

07/03/2007 12:53:59

36 neil f

Please add :
For the first time in almost 200 years !

Remember what is being replaced was originally built as a strategic road for the military's transport ....horses and boots.

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The laird.,

from leadhills 07/03/2007 12:56:18

no;- 13,
how dare you criticise the ex pat,s for there point,s of view they are all eager to see scotland changing for the better they all have asperations that there motherland can vastly be improved by being free from the strangle hold of the barnett formula pocket money, partly as looney lanarkshire have been acustomed to hand outs and brainwashed into the dependency cycle because blue labour would be an extinced spicies in the south if they didn,t keep the restless natives under control. If you have no self confidence in your self and expect to be controled be the unionist control freaks the rest of your day,s that,s fine but dont critisise other,s who have higher asperation,s of there country than you have, Agood example is to follow the example of your current home secretary reid he had to hand over 300 sq mls of north sea territorial waters anexed to westminster to receive the prize of a ministerial position at westminster, If it wasn,t for these betrayals westminster government would not entertain these scottish clowns for a single moment, remember the english nation dont want them and there sick and tired being stuck with them, because they know them for the fakes that they are.

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The laird.,

from leadhills 07/03/2007 13:00:24

Yes Ireland will progress better than scotland, because there not shackled to a barnett formula and unionist connmen and liar,s.

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St. Francis of Assissi,

07/03/2007 13:06:41

It is about time it would never happen in England,our roads are like something from the dark ages the main route M8 two lanes,when the Englanders talk about 4 lanes and we still have only 2

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Dayvan Cowboy,

07/03/2007 13:22:44

Our Infrastructure is a disgrace for a 1st world country.

2 lanes between our two major cities, no rail links to either major airport, no metro or tram in our capital city, reliance on 300 year old miltary roads and single track lanes to the West and the highlands.


Its a joke , and all you can do is complain about much needed work getting done.

If Holland , Belgium , Luxembourg Germany , France , Ireland can do it, so can we.

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Upbeat,

07/03/2007 14:03:43

43 Dayvan

"Its a joke , and all you can do is complain about much needed work getting done."

Don't think the word complaint is right here .

This is an observation about the effect poor scheduling of this type of work has on the local economy. If they start in June ...I suppose they will work right through...or will they make a mess first and then go on seasonal Holiday...we should be told ?

Those who know this area well can only pity the guys having to work for a total of eight May to September midge season months. It is also true that in many years rainfall is no greater outside these supposedly drier summer months in West Lochaber

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Doh,

07/03/2007 14:35:32

#41 the laird

Pretty clear you've never driven in Ireland then.

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ian300,

Edinburgh 07/03/2007 14:57:44

I think we have spent too much money upgrading this road. It is a ghastly thing the way they have dynamited their way through all that beautiful scenery in straight lines to build a road that you could do 150mph on - though a fish lorry would only save a few minutes.

It's built to what appears to be the same spec as the A9 but has (and always will have) only a tiny fraction of the traffic. It has huge wide verges and uses up masses of land with no sensitivity being shown to the natural contours or surroundings.

Is it something to do with getting our money back from the EC in grants but only if we do it their way?.

I'm sure a solution that's acceptable could have been built that would have cost far less and would have allowed the saved money to be spent sensibly on other roads or projects around Scotland.

This over engineering is just a complete waste of money - it's the same sort of thinking that puts roundabouts and street light at either end of the bridge over Loch Creran, for example. It's completely unnecessary and only adds to the long term cost in electricty charges, lamp replacement etc etc.

Whoever was responsible for these things should be ashamed of themselves, and we should really examine what is happening with any other proposed schemes before all of Scotland becomes urbanised.

46

Dayvan Cowboy,

07/03/2007 15:11:29

Is it not the case tis has to be done in summer because of the weather ?

Is it not the case that The Scotsman presents these articles in this way to simply ANNOY you , rather than tell the truth and give an Independent viewpoint ?

Ian , grow up - all of scotland becomes urbanised indeed ! Look at the comments from your fellow scots who live in the area - it seems they welcome it.

Scotland is not a Disneyland for you to enjoy by peering out your window at.

Perhaps you would be happy if we got some tartan clad Campbells to give you a wee mechanical wave and sing a song as you marvel at the lochs and glens ?

47

ian300,

Edinburgh 07/03/2007 15:23:17

#48

I can assure you I'm grown up, if you want to be offensive. It seems you want to misunderstand what I said.

I'm not against upgrading roads. I'm suggesting that we could upgrade more of them to a sensible level if we didn't waste so much money by over-engineering some of them - and spoiling the look of the place is a serious issue for me and many others.

48

Dayvan Cowboy,

07/03/2007 15:25:14

49. Switzerland.

49

GP,

07/03/2007 15:33:57

17# yes I already pay an awful lot for very little back. Do you PAY ?
You obviously have little vision for you country or even neighbourhood.
Small man!!!!!

50

Mac Mhic Raonuill,

Edinburgh 07/03/2007 15:37:38

Moran taing Uisdean Cheape

An excellent report. Balanced. Which is like a fresh wind of change through this particular column!

51

GP,

07/03/2007 15:42:58

17# I never mentioned nationalisation you did.
What I mean is a constructed timetable to enjoy this new infrastructure that is coming (jam for Glasgow and Edinburgh again) since I am already paying heavily for it's non existance.

52

Upbeat,

07/03/2007 16:30:42

47 & 49 ian300

This is th last link in the new Road to the Isles. Once this is done, and the " small" matter of the A82 receives the serious attention of those in Holyrood that should know better, then the shortest and best route to the Isles will be - as it once was - via Mallaig, Armadale and / or Uig on Skye. This missing link might take some light traffic off the overused A 9 and would help that road serve a while longer before being upgraded twice in 25 years. By spending money (ie Investing ) the A82 would spread the wieght of traffic within Scotland in a new way. Throwing yet more money at the A9 corridor before dealing with the west Highlands would indeed be a poor return for the taxpayer.

No one forces anyone to drive more than 60 mph on the A9..but many do...and it is this reason that the A9 is regarded as inadequate.

Finally, a good road, such as the A9 and now the New Road to the Isles, has only to be built once. The last one has served for 200 years...properly built there will never ever be a requirement for this to be done again. Unlike the endless widening, by passing and straightening work elsewhere which squanders the road's budget , a newly engineered road on a new line is money well spent. If you look at the example of the way the A9 has mellowed over the years you will see that your "Not-In-anybody's-Back-Yard plea about spoiling the look of the place is just your own wishful thinking, and hardly represents a serious issue for those that live in West Lochaber who have to experience the old road daily nor for many others who would like to holiday in this area..

Without the investment made in realiogning and improving the A 9i in the late 1970's and early 1980's the prosperity we see in the Inverness region today would never have occurred. The rest of Scotland deserves the same chance.

53

Upbeat,

07/03/2007 16:33:49

54 zoom

Cleaarly you have not the slightest idea what you are talking about, on this subject. If you did you would never make such a useless comment.

54

Clyde,

Ireland 07/03/2007 16:52:56

56 upbeat.
I'm would like to know how many of our commentators have had the pleasure of meandering from corpach to mallaig. It's about making the journey and the enjoyment not the time taken. improve ,maintain but don't create another bland road with bypasses.

55

Upbeat,

07/03/2007 17:43:00

57 Clyde.

Should we understand you to mean that those that live in parts of Scotland without modern roads have no right to expect proper 21 st century communications.

If that's what you mean then perhaps you might have the courage to say so.

At present all local traffic north of Galsgow along the A82 can only move at the speed of the slowest camping van. In places these have to stop to let another camping van / tourist bus,/ fish lorry or private car come the other way. Fine if we could persuade everyone on holiday etc to come for two weeks park their car/ camper/ caravan and stay in one place here. But that is not realistic and I suspect you know this.

One reason locals and vistors feel the need to travel up and down the route is because shopping is slightly cheaper in Fort William ( much cheaper in Inverness & Glasgow). Decent roads, as I said earlier, will allow transport prices to even out across Scotland. Premiums on every necessity currently paid by those who live in remoter areas are simply not fair. The damage caused to their heavily taxed vehicles by inadequate roads are also not fair. Talk about " patching up mere potholes in the context of the A 830 is misleading. This road currently BREAKS CARS..

If the infrastructure was better Local shops will not need to be so pricey, and local people and visitors alike will not need to rush back and forth, searching for cheaper deals

Again - as I also said earlier - its a question of Egg or Chicken.

56

Faye,

Scotland 07/03/2007 18:05:09

#30 Bill, Dunblane. Something is going on!

Posts aren't appearing or they appear but much later than originally posted.

I noticed on a thread a few days ago, Maxie complaining about this too.

Some of the usual posters have disappeared. Where's Scottwebb for example?

57

Upbeat,

07/03/2007 18:17:03

59 Rules

A valid viewpoint if you are in the property business in the central belt, but not very promising for the economic prosperity of the rest of Scotland.

You have only to go to Switzerland to see how remote can remain remote, and unspoilt remains so. But every region ( Canton) now has excellent road communications with the rest of the country. The same is true in the Netherlands, Once off the principal through routes it is very rural, small and unspoilt.

The A830 is a major arterial road. Most of the 46 miles from Fort William has already been rebuilt over the past 25 years. This new work is the final stretch.

If you really want to see what is being replaced just come up and try it on a busy weekend this spring Most people will discover that the Loch nan Uamh to Arisaig experience will result in sufficient terrifying moments to satisfy any adrenalin " junkie".

58

Scott 1,

07/03/2007 18:18:14

Long overdue. I managed to miss a ferry in the summer due to some prat getting in the way of a lorry and then not moving until the traffic built up so that no one could move. When finally clear prat would not move over to allow those in a hurry to get by. Once again some road users have no awareness of how to drive on anything other than large wide motorways.
However, I do wish that they had also kept the old road so those not wishing to take the train could have enjoyed almost as stunning a journey and people going about their daily business could use the double carriageway without having to get stuck behind tourists

59

Tom01,

UK 07/03/2007 18:53:06

Lachie No 11

What they have not told you is that the Shannon Tunnel is to be used for Guinness storage and that it has been built with a subsidy from EU.

60

Dr. James Wilkie,

07/03/2007 18:58:00

I recall the stretch of the road in question very well. I commute regularly between Scotland and Central Europe, and a few years ago I had flown over without my car and borrowed a pickup from my brother's business to get around. I was not long under way from Fort William when the reverse gear packed up, but I continued in the expectation of getting it seen to in Mallaig. At one of the more remote stretches of the road I came eyeball to eyeball with a young woman driver in an ancient Volkswagen beetle with a German registration, naturally halfway between passing places, and both of us looking like comets with tails of buses, lorries and tourists. I waved to her to indicate that she should reverse back to the last passing place. She shook her head vigorously and waved me back, but of course for mechanical reasons I was unable to comply. This pantomime exchange went on for a couple of minutes to a symphony of horns and howls of rage from the audience. Eventually she resolved the matter by picking up a large card from the passenger seat and placing it behind her windscreen. It read: "Sorry, no backward speeds!" I will draw a veil over the rest.

Incidentally, I expect to enjoy the white sands of Morar for a long time to come, despite the predicted three degree rise in global temperature. When the polar icecaps at minus 50°C warm up to minus 47°C I will be very interested to see what amount of melting takes place.

61

Dr. James Wilkie,

07/03/2007 19:06:53

P.S. I am continually assured by continental European visitors to Scotland that one of their most entertaining experiences is exploring the network of highly scenic single-track roads, especially in the West highlands, and more especially if the asphalt condition is good. A bit of development here would not be amiss - for example, when is the Ellary Gap on the north-west side of Loch Caolisport going to be closed?

62

Upbeat,

07/03/2007 19:32:04

65

I don't think anyone in the remoter parts of Scotland is suggesting that all single track roads should be enlarged to two lanes. There will always be an opportunity for visitors to find challenging roads to drive along. What the EU has been sponsoring and supporting the construction of around Europe is the improvement and provision of lifeline roads.

One thing overlooked by the contributers who lament the earlier improvements and realignment carried out to sections of the A 830 , is that the realigned main arterial road now passes some distance away from places of habitation. Loops of the old road are left as sideroads to permit residents access. In many places north of Arisaig , far from destroying valuable wilderness , this has actually enhanced the attractiveness and peacefulness of the coastline for locals and visitors alike.

What is important in this discussion is not to loose sight of the fact that everyone everywhere, as a member of the taxpaying public has the same entitlement to a basic provision of infrastructure and services.

To suggest that people have the option to choose for themselves whether to live in outlying districts, or not, is a recipe for hopelessness, stagnation and a very depressed and divided society..

It might interest anyone who plans to tour West Lochaber that once this arterial road is complete the journey from Morar/Mallaig to the nearest Accident and Emergency department ( Fort William) might be cut from around an hour to only 50 minutes by ambulance. Think of this next time you climb that crag, hug that wilderness tree or paddle that rocky coastline....and then reflect on the much publicised national standard for Ambulance emergency response - an ideal now desired by everyone everywhere - of just 8 minutes .

63

Clyde,

ireland 07/03/2007 19:52:58

57
I have lived in what are now called remote parts, especically the area of the west under discussion. born and bred for 35 years and I'm now watching the destruction of north western ireland by the the same desire to create desolate motorways from A to B with no stimulation other than the speedometer.
Regarding the constructive suggestion about using Rail,I can admit to stealing herring from the rail cars as they paused at Fort William before continuing south albeit 60 years ago.
An even better addition to the journey is to travel on the south of loch linnhe from corrhine ferry on single track road and avoid the excresence that fort william has now become.

64

Big Wullie,

Glasgow 07/03/2007 20:22:52

Lord levy has nothing to worry about.
The going rate for lying civil servants is only 73 days, as in the Livingston policeman Sundeep Patel.
If Levy pleads he will get less of a sentence.
what a joke.
If this was anyone else they would be locked up for years.
Are the courts now sending out the Message that Perjury is not a serious crime anymore or is it only for civil servants???

http://edinburghnews.scotsman.com/index.cfm?id=332862007

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WhJUjhequ4

65

Old Reiver,

07/03/2007 20:23:10

Rulesbutnorules sees it as a waste of money because the isles will soon be under water. When will that be? Ten years, a hundred, never? With that kind of mindset, he would eliminate all spending, since one day in the future ol' Sol is going to turn on us.

In the meantime...

66

Graeme M,

Australia 07/03/2007 21:20:27

slippy lizard #13, where do you get off telling us exiles we have no say in Scotland's affairs?...Having been born there we have every right to wish better things for our homeland. We have family there, our forebears were born there, our children were born there, we have Scotland in our soul, not our territory. I left Scotland in 1967, sick of continual Tory governments, all that 'riding down the Mall' stuff, never being able to make ends meet, never ever hoping to buy a house, watching my country being flooded by every colour of human being the English could throw at us. I have seen Braveheart only once, me and my fellow exiles are all 'bravehearts' because we take the time to care. So get off your high horse and realize we out here as in other parts of the world caring for Scotland...That's the size of it, lump it!...

67

Falsyde,

HIGHLAND SEP 07/03/2007 21:31:38

Well said 56 et al ref 54 and his ilk. I for one, and I am not alone resent the idiotic views of people like that who think and expect others like me and others to live in a bloody museum on the off chance they can make it up here for a wee ogle now and then.

Everyone in this country is entitled to the same standard of living as the rest, we already get punished by high fuel charges. On any trips to Edinburgh I fill every thing I can lay my hands on because the price differential can be as much as 6 to 8p cheaper. Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

68

Faye,

Scotland 07/03/2007 21:35:22

#68

You have a good point there Big Wullie.

69

Sambo,

The deep south 07/03/2007 22:31:17

#60 Faye
Rumor has it that scottweb is in a dungeon in Edinburgh Castle talking to his mouse.

70

The Wizard,

OZ 07/03/2007 22:53:17

I love these great wee roads. Leave them alone.
Just stop the Germans in their huge camper vans blocking them-they don't understand passing places.
Also, don't mention the war!!

71

The Wizard,

OZ 07/03/2007 23:00:21

Just tried to put a daft post on the LEVY story, seems it must be passed by the 'thought police;
Who don't they want to upset? Maybe a few bob could be changing hands in the world of journalism.

72

The Wizard,

OZ 08/03/2007 00:30:15

Tried again, thought police still at it.

73

bill inch,

edinburgh 08/03/2007 00:43:52

GP the central belt may get the jam, but that is where the fruit is from. oh and by the way MOTs required Grants not available for every conceivable scheme to mention a few stop moaning . you dont do so badly from the pot, you just want more

74

Faye,

Scotland 08/03/2007 01:30:20

#73 Sambo. Whatever people thought about Scottweb, that's free speech but to gag the guy is outrageous in my opinon.

#75 The Wizard of Oz. You are right to comment on this. I am now very worried about what is happening to free speech.

Is the Scotsman being controlled?

Will this comment get me banned?

If you don't see my posts, you will know that the 'thought police' are on to all of us.

Bill from Dunblane, Maxi from Clydebank, where are you?

So much for democracy and free speech.

Stalag 13, 21st century style.

We may not agree with each other, but the Scotsman forum, until recently, in my opinon was the peoples' newspaper, full of interesting opinons, right or wrong.

But isn't that free speech?

It is almost as bad as people who feel inhibited to say what they think regarding religous beliefs.

I say, democracy is now under pressure and we must all fight to ensure our right to free speech.

Come back Scottwebb.

Some of us might not agree with you but you should have the right to say what you believe in such as the Inconvenient Truth and the investments on the back of this shenanigans.

Let's have Scottwebb and his ilk back on the site, without it, it means that the media really do not believe in free speech!

75

The Wizard,

OZ 08/03/2007 04:24:53

Hi Faye,

My posts were just a bit of idle nonsense but I did suggest since I got an increase in my pension could I afford a CBE.
Seems that was over the top.
I think George Orwell was wrong about being equal in 1984.

Wiz

76

Lianachan,

HIghlands 08/03/2007 08:29:09

#74 The Wizard

It's not just tourists who have problems with single track roads. I use single track roads all the time, and find that visiting urbanites are just as bad. The most annoying are the people who understand them all right, but are too arrogant to give way. Usually these people are in expensive Volvos or 4x4s, festooned with fishing rods, trying to wave you out of the way imperiously.

77

GP,

08/03/2007 09:23:20

77# wee man if ur an inch.
I stay near Edinburgh and enjoy all the benefits and negatives (like you) attract.
This is about rural sustainablility and nothing to do with jam and fruit. Rural communities have been under extreme pressure ever since Glasgow and Edinburgh created the infrastructure to attract business which created more infrastructure and more bsuiness. This attracted people from rural areas to improve their lives because of guess what ?
Lack of infrastrucutre.

Try going out of the toon for a minute and smell the coffee.

78

Border Ian,

Borders 08/03/2007 13:48:54

When will we all realise that Scotland will never get its act together properly until we have a thoroughly well invested and efficient, inter-connected, transport system? i know the Scottish Enterprise Party really wants Holyrood to make transport investment an absolute top priority and much will follow; I am sure we can still keep a few single track roads for the delight they offer the leisured visitor to remoter places.

79

william wallace,

Stirling 08/03/2007 14:27:21

46*Doe I have driven on the continent and in Ireland.I found modern Ireland to have a fine network of roads.In fact the longest underground docks to motorway tunnel in Europe is in the capital of Ireland, Dublin.

80

geekpie,

forfar 08/03/2007 20:32:01

Deasun: The road SHOULD be tolled: there's a railway that goes the same way, and drivers should be made to subsidise that. Driving's 8% cheaper than in 1997, while public transport is 34% more expensive.


 

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