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Helter Skelter,

08/10/2008 01:23:34
I think it should have gone to the best central defender in the Scottish game at the moment : Gary Caldwell.

He's been playing like a lion for Celtic since about March/April and he's very vocal in encouraging his team-mates and keeping everyone on their toes.

He's mentally strong having come through some difficult spells at CP, especially when he had to fill in at right back and his unforgettable error against Barca.
It's not easy to come through that level of criticism from your own fans and respond by becoming one of the best players in the team. You need to have a lot of self-belief and determination to turn things around the way he has.

For me, Caldwell has the winning mentality , the aggression and the personality to be a great captain...in fact, I think he'd do a better job of it than McManus.

Fletcher seems quiet and too obsessed with his own performance to mark him out as a skipper. He's a creative player, and is best left to just get on with his job.

Caldwell has a good number of years left in him, and I think he is now ready to step up to the plate as a captain.

People have spoken a lot about Boruc and McGeady being window shopped, but actually, if Caldwell can keep sustain this form over the season, it is he more than any other Celtic player that I would expect to see becoming the sunbject of a transfer bid.
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Helter Skelter,

08/10/2008 01:30:46
And I'm not biased in any way.
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Jam Tarts 1874,

On the Rebound 08/10/2008 01:36:44
Fletcher continues to be a disapointment, don't see how making him captain will change anything.
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 01:39:28
BTO - HT? Don't you mean HS?

Anyway BTO, what is your username in the Predictor?
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 01:45:02
Duh, how did I not work that out?
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 01:50:06
JPN? So BTO, I take it your first names are John Paul? Or could it be James Patrick?
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 02:05:31
Or perhaps it is just an abbreviation for Japan?
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I.J,

The Diggers 08/10/2008 02:05:54
Great news for Scotland that Miller and Thomson are out.

We may have to do something daft and actually push forward and try to score - something both players are completely unused to.
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 02:09:28
I see ex-Rangers man Charlie Miller is now plying his trade with Queensland Roar in the Australian A-League and is apparently doing very well.

Good to see him overcome his earlier personal problems as I always thought he was a very skillful player.
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Jon Bon Jovi,

08/10/2008 02:12:03
caldwell can boss the back 5 and fletch the front 6....

leave it at that, pls dont bring pathetic OF banter into who is the best captain, its so tedious, its like listening to candle in the wind (diana version) over and over again....
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 02:15:53
JBJ - To be fair, there has been no argument in this thread over this. A couple of posters have given their opinion and hey, isn't that what these threads are supposed to be about - opinions?
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I.J,

The Diggers 08/10/2008 02:17:27
Team to win for me is:

Gordon

Broadfoot Weir Caldwell Naysmith

Brown Hartley Fletcher Robson

Iwelumo McFadden

Boyd to come off the bench and bag one.
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Harlem Tam,

08/10/2008 02:40:33
Chris Iwelumo - Wolves striker.
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arthurscross,

08/10/2008 05:24:01
# 20 JACKEM - "Davie Weir should be captain as he is easily the best CB in Scotland at the moment."

Failed to even challenge McGinn for that great goal for St Mirren - he's a donkey.

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Finbar in the Sun,

Johannesburg,SA 08/10/2008 05:47:31
Fletcher is a surprise choice.I thought Caldwell was a stick on particularly with his form this year(2008) and his more vocal personality on the field.

Great achievement for Weir to join the mighty McGrain on 62 caps.He must be delighted.

C'mon Scotland.

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Wiggy,

08/10/2008 07:12:01
DIDDIES, Diddies I tell you, take out the Gers, all diddies. We're doomed, doomed I tell you. Play Boyd we have a chance. C'mon Scotland. Still doomed. Too many potatomen.

Sad.
Isn't it!!
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Wiggy,

08/10/2008 07:47:27
25 & 26 - Bwaa Bwaa Bwaaaahaaaa Haaaa Haaa BwaaaHaaa KAK.

DIDDIES.
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Red Dykes,

Tain 08/10/2008 08:26:13
Caldwell? Failed in a weeks trial at Blackpool - the kids kept falling off his back......
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Wiggy,

08/10/2008 08:36:32
#28 - That's a bit harsh, from what I've seen he's been exceelent at impersonating a donkey.
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Montford's Jaicket,

Hanging around 08/10/2008 09:00:18
Fletcher has already been national captain; he was vice captain until that post was given to Steven McManus by George Burley so he is probably the obvious choice with Barry Ferguson and McManus both missing. I suspect that when one or both of those players are in the team Fletcher will revert to being 3rd choice captain. Provided we win, I dont mind who captains the team - they could play with no captain or 11 for all that. The result will be the important thing.

Why does the Scotsman have an article detailing the full Scotland 22 but no corresponding breakdown of the Norway squad? Is this lazy journalism or are we putting our heads in the sand and assuming that we will win? Could be dangerous! Norway are no mugs and Scotland shouldn't forget the recent away defeat to Macedonia, a team with a previous record of upsets.

Incidentally, before anyone else corrects it, Darren Fletcher is not Scotland's youngest ever captain. That honour goes to one John Lambie who was just over 17 when he captained the national side in about 1886. Sorry - must have been hanging next to Crampsey's Coat for too long.
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Venachar,

08/10/2008 09:22:02
Fletcher as Captain, don't make me laugh! Fine if I'm wrong I'll be happy as larry but Fletcher has given the ball away too many times in recent matches to even be in the team never mind Captain.
George, I fear this is a huge mistake which will come back to haunt you.
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Who?,

08/10/2008 09:36:20
So we have the scottish phil neville as captain- not too sure about this one!

Scotland have suffered some woeful result while he has been on the park (belarus, georgia, macedonia etc) the reason for the defeats was the midfield were non-existent. If he were a leader he would have been more vocal or actually put in a shift. He can be far too annoymous for my liking.

As for Caldwell the guy is a eight car pile up waiting to happen. He is rank rotten in the spl week in week out. As witnessed in the dundee utd game earlier in the season (where the ref protected him) and again on saturday the guy can't be trusted to tackle an opponent in the box. Caldwell jumps with his hands above his head, it the ball strikes his hand its a penalty (except in the spl where its a free kick to sellic).

Davie Weir should have been given the captaincy as he is the only player in the squad who you could actually call a leader.
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rorie,

alloa 08/10/2008 09:40:23
fletcher, captain? we are really struggling now,still, at least kevin (i scored a goal against celtic, so that makes me a hero)thomson is not playing,and that can only be a good thing.
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rorie,

alloa 08/10/2008 09:44:28
weir should not be allowed near hampden park,he has refused in the past to play for scotland, and that was an insult to all the scotland supporters,apart from that he is useless,slow and is the worst passer of a ball in the scottish league.
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O sole mio,

Salford 08/10/2008 09:48:22
I hope we have 11 players, like Darren Fletcher, who want to play for SCOTLAND. No matter how good, I would hope that we never again give jerseys those who pick and choose when to represent their Country. As for cheats like Thompson, we are well off without his like.
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Indigo Nightlight,

08/10/2008 10:01:22
Fletcher is a big game player. You just have to look how well he plays for Man U against the rest of the big 4 when he plays. outstanding against Chelsea a few weeks back and has scored agaisnt Chelsea and Arsenal in the past.

Good choice for captain, as he was when he did it under McLeish. Don't remember eck getting questioned for that decision.
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Laddy Saunders,

08/10/2008 10:03:09
#34 - Who would you have? Are you saying Fletcher is a bad player? I would probably back Sir Alex views on his ability against anyone here, unless you know better. Did Davy Weir Sh&g your mrs?
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Andy 52,

Niddrie 08/10/2008 10:16:09
JACK EM & Wiggy: Two typical English/Rangers supporters who hate to see Scotland doing well. Fletcher may not have produced his best form yet in a Scotland jersey but he is proud of the jersey and has a club manager that support his national ambitions. If only that were true of successive old firm managers who have encouraged withdrawal from Scotland squads in the past. C'mon Scotland 3-0 on our way to South Africa!
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rorie,

alloa 08/10/2008 10:17:38
38,i think weir would be too busy polishing his massive medal collection to sh&g any one,bring back lee mcculloch.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 10:20:06
Weir should consider himself fortunate to be in the team after he spat the dummy out at Bertie Vogts.

He decided not to return to play for his country until his old Everton Gaffer came calling.

Fletcher is now regularly in the Man U starting 11 and merits his place in the team. Why not as captain? No other obvious candidates.

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Andy 52,

08/10/2008 10:22:37
#40 "Bring back Lee McCulloch" from where? To where?
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Will1875,

08/10/2008 10:39:38
Fletcher was the only choice.

Caldwell is abolutely rubbish and Weir is a geriatric.

Event when fit I wouldn't play Ferguson and McManus is garbage as well. A bunch of overated OF dross.

McManus let Scotland down and shouldn't play for the nation again. Ferguson never gives his all for his country he just plays out the 90 mins.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 11:10:11
Magnum (H)Oplus - more squads for him to pull out of then?
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 11:21:54
Darren Fletcher has never had the misfortune of being singularly to blam for one of his countries poorest ever international results

That honour fell on Weir for his abject performance against the Faroe Isles in a 2-2 draw.

So shocking was his performance, that the normally amiable Bertie Vogts tore into the centre half.

Like a true pro, Davie Weir took the feedback in the changing room, then immediately savaged the manager through the media declaring that he would never again play for Scotland.

ReaRangers class through and through
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 11:21:55
Darren Fletcher has never had the misfortune of being singularly to blam for one of his countries poorest ever international results

That honour fell on Weir for his abject performance against the Faroe Isles in a 2-2 draw.

So shocking was his performance, that the normally amiable Bertie Vogts tore into the centre half.

Like a true pro, Davie Weir took the feedback in the changing room, then immediately savaged the manager through the media declaring that he would never again play for Scotland.

ReaRangers class through and through
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Maroon tinted glasses,

08/10/2008 11:24:29
There is definatley unrest in the camp and a few of the players arent happy with burley or his way of doing things.

45, bazza is a tube, who always seemed to pull out of national games if there was a more important OF game on the horizon. He does nothing for the squad and we have better younger players to chose from now. BUT as is the way with OF players he will probably walk straight back into the next squad regardless as to wether he is playing regularly or not.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 11:47:28
#53...probably not.

Reckon we're a decent bet for runner up as we wont beat the Dutch for points over the group games.

Then we'll probably lose a play off.

There isn't a manager elsewhere who would do any better with this group of players.

We're now bemoaning the loss of Kenny Miller FFS!
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Maroon tinted glasses,

08/10/2008 11:48:12
52, NO the guy is a FUDD! I am as proud of my country as most but i really dont think he contributes anything to the squad.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 11:51:02
In a must in game for Scotland, George Burley is odds on to start with Kris Boyd on Saturday with a view to nabbing a goal or 2.

Puts him a step ahead of "walter".

Dontche think so?

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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 11:51:28
*must win
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Elifan,

Livingston 08/10/2008 11:59:20
I cannot believe people are comparing George Burley to Vogts this early into the world cup qualifying campaign. I for one find George's tactics refreshing with more emphasis on attacking, passing football which is a joy to watch instead of the boring, defensive style of some previous managers. George is a great motivator and wouldn't underestimate the effect of his decision to make Fletcher captain. I would find a place in the team for Maloney. I would always play Boyd when we play with two strikers and will always score goals. Unfortunately his lack of games for Rangers may ultimately cost Scotland in sharpness. C'mon Scotland!
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Sickofbull,

08/10/2008 12:34:12
62 hahahahahahahahahahah
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The Sentry,

Everywhere 08/10/2008 12:40:28
Molloy the coward
James,, the coward
Survivor of riots-the coward

not to be taken seriously-lie,cheat,lie again and then crash goes the bottle
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Willhellm Anderson,

08/10/2008 12:45:42
60 James

Trust you to talk about Davie Weir. You said to me last week when challenging me to fight, "I'm two inches taller than Davie Weir"

You are a coward of the highest order James!
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 12:50:20
#66....you'll find that we are discussing the national team here.

Try engaging your brain and post an opinion.

Enlightenment is the way ahead.

What do you think that the score will be on Saturday?
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large chap,

anywhere 08/10/2008 12:54:06
60 james

I belive you are a coward, care to comment?

Just what I've heard

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JackJ,

08/10/2008 13:03:01
Survivor of Riots=James

How sad.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 13:06:29
#73 for the purposes of clarity (of which i am sure "James" can concur), neither he nor I are one in the same.

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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 13:12:43
#74 - Hey James, you really need to be a wee bit more careful with the people you associate yourself with!
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Feriens,

Linwood 08/10/2008 13:17:40
Molloy the coward.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 13:21:09
#77 not entirely sure that Captain Glaickets days as a top pro ever happened.

He had a chance at Blackburn, couldn`t hack it and came back home.

A lot of current mediocre players are getting into the hall of fame.

Scotland will achieve the same success in this group regardless of whether he plays or not. He will not be missed.

If he was a "top pro" such as Stevie Gerard etc, his ommission from the team would be felt.

It isn`t...go work that one out.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 13:27:13
#78. Ninny, I have only ever posted on here as "the riot survivor" which I was forced to change by the mods....never really understood why.

In a moment of creative genius, I decided to re-invent the name as "survivor of riots" which is the only other monicker I have used.

Now, you may have achieved the first hardon you have managed in 5 years cos some fella's are talking all tough on here....but as I am sure your are aware by now....The Riot Survivor doesn`t make posts for anyone else.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 13:33:24
#81 - no one....never posted on these threads before.

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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 13:38:22
84 - you have spent all or most of your life experiencing difficulty with things people have been trying to explain to you.

It`s no ones fault but your own.

The Riot Survivor answers to no Noel Hunt...consider this the only time I shall waste my postings on this subject. Frankly its boring the nerse off me.

You can feel free to believe what you want. It`s what you do.
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Jo Jo,

08/10/2008 13:40:48
James...why didn't you turn up at the meeting you requested?

Simple question..even you should have no trouble answering it.

If you can take yourself away from spewing your apparent hatred of all things Rangers and Protestant for 5 minutes.
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:19:26
I would pick Messi for Scotland on saturday and play him wide on the left of a 4-4-2.

The Norwegians certainly won't second guess that line-up!
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:20:52
James Molloy, I like a strong man!

Big Jaaaames..!
Big Bad James!
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davesmith1,

08/10/2008 14:24:19
Molloy seems to be a coward. Never mind, I'll still enjoy ripping you a new one on any subject you care to take down the usual road.
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:30:18
James, you and the Riot Survivor remind me of the true historical event, when an Army Officer by the name of Michael Caine and another by the name of Jones - 367532 killed a lot of savages by shooting them in whites of their eyes at a place called Roarkes Drift. I think it was called, Paint your Wagon! They won in the end, but it got a bit hairy at one point!
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davesmith1,

08/10/2008 14:31:06
#93. Jaws, aye but that's not a link man! Bwahahahah!
He wants a link from a thread that HE was instrumental in getting pulled.
Cowardly custard Molloy, there are plenty of copy and pastes, if no link. HAHAHAHHAHAHAH!
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 14:36:19
#97 - the soudtrack of the film was rotten.

Marvin Lee couldnae sing a note.

I'd hate to think that anyone would take that song and turn it in to something else.

What an appalling sense of musical taste that would be.

Wait a minute.....
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:38:26
Ninny, there are none so poor as you! You are the poorest in everyway imaginable. And ungrateful too. I pay my taxes and that pays your dole money, but do I ever get thanked - not yet?
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:46:07
102 - There was also that bit where he wrote:

"I like to drag wee ninny in front of me - he's not really a bufftie but will do anything for cash when hes spunked his giro - and then i get to be 'lucky Pierre'..XXXXX...XXXXXXXXX..

Cant print the rest of it because it gets a bit graphic!
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:48:37
103 - "Quids in"? Are you signing on under different names these days?

Tuesdays as Robert None-in-a-row

Thursdays as Reebok Shellsuit
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Feriens,

Linwood 08/10/2008 14:49:01
Molloy the coward.
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:51:40
108 - What, you mean the middle classes?
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:57:12
110 - Its common knowledge that during working hours, most town centres in Scotland are plagued by the unemployed and the unemployable. Mainly young men wearing dubiously stained Rangers gear.

I salute your efforts in not being sucked into this seedy underworld of desperation and Sunny-D. However, i do resent paying for your Reebocks. Maybe one day you can get a job and donate some money to charity.

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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 14:59:58
111 - No, but if I do, I will pop in and visit you. Don't worry about making me a cuppa, I will bring a starbucks! I promise to show you a recruitment website that specialises in people with no qualifications. www.fastfoodrecrutiment.ned I think its called!
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 15:02:09
113 - Evidently this 'syndrome' that you speak of is not restricted to ethnic minorities? Mwaha...;-)
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 15:09:19
112 - You are semi? What from reading post 104...you dirty wee burger!

Oh sorry, semi-retired at 42. Signing on once a week, great hours. 22 years on the dole, what a career!

Anyway, my CEO has requested my presence in a meeting. He's obviously not as easy going regards timekeeping as yours is...name escapes me...eh, who is the minister for social services these days?
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 15:09:31
Ninny has had all his hommo-errotic dreams come true today...talks of fights and hard men etc...

He even had what could be described as a "stauner" (nearly)

What a day he's had.

Ooooh The Glesga Banter....don't you just love it!
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 15:19:47
125 - cool down Ninny, while I dont want to imply that you ever 'had it'...you're certainly in danger of 'losing it' here!

Touchy, touchy...remember your dole money has been donated and processed by people of all denominations by the time a postman drops it through your letterbox!
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adhoc,

08/10/2008 15:28:33
# 116
Are you really 42 years of age ?

I would have bet you were no older than 22.

Reminds me of the old saying...."One is only young once but one can be immature forever"
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Daillyman,

08/10/2008 15:36:18
Vs Norway.

Gordon

Broadfoot Weir Caldwell Naismith

Fletcher Brown Robson Maloney

Fletcher McFadden.
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Survivor Of Riots,

08/10/2008 15:40:46
Daillyman - thats why Fletch should be captain ahead of Ferguson.

He'll play 2 positions.

I'll sub your second fletcher with Boyd and agree with the line up.

3-1 scotland
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 15:41:28
113 - Cant argue with that Brian, its has players who have good movement, players who have guile and players who can dig, Pretty solid at the back with some no-nonsense experienced performers and one enthusiastic rookie.

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paulmac,

surrey 08/10/2008 15:57:13
I see the Ibrox GRUFS are oot in force today.....
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Cappo Del Monte,

08/10/2008 15:58:13
#140
Yet again a knuckle dragger has to come into a post about football and lower it to comments regarding bigotry and other such cack.
But being a supporter of a 2nd best team as is his name, it doesnt take much to guess it also counts for his IQ
Away you go and infest your own threads with your bigotry, leqave the reak football for true supporters to comment on.
As for Fletcher , a good choice in captain, far better than the wee thug who couldnt hack it in the real games down south
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paulmac,

surrey 08/10/2008 15:59:42
140

Now then Forest....why you trying to defend the thugs who attacked someone?

Ps....we all know your the weeee dug of these threads!
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paulmac,

surrey 08/10/2008 16:03:06
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Bwhahahahahahha.....another superb retort...from the weeee dug.......

Milton has done more for Scottish fitbaw than spam valley Bishopbriggs ever will....
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Ahhh.....the weeee dugs owner wants to join in....

I hope yer lettin weeee nineinro take his heid oot yer erchie now and again......he needs to breath you know!
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Cappo Del Monte,

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#147 you really are a t*at of a excuse for a football fan
This thread has nothing to do with the cack you spout, so why bring it up, we dont want to hear your wee pathetic drivel regarding the old firm, the post has sod all to do with it, take it to the toilet where you belong
Post like this drivel have nothing to do with this thread
"Us Bears will leave the "bhoy on bhoy" action tae those wae previous ... why is it so rife within your culture?"
You are a sad wee pathetic excuse for an alleged man
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Jurgen Harbourmaster,

08/10/2008 16:44:31
179 - It's also in the BBC website...this quite shoite coveruop actually...I wouldnt want the agents of this cover up to be covering up anything concerned with me. Pretty incompetent cover up merchants - its all over the national press. I don't think Neil Lennon should be paying them the second instalment of their cover up wages!

Second arrest after Lennon attack

The alleged assault took place hours after Celtic's game against Rangers
A second man has been arrested in connection with an alleged assault on Celtic coach Neil Lennon in Glasgow.

The 43-year-old was being detained in police custody and expected to appear at Glasgow Sheriff Court on Tuesday.

David Whitelaw, 46, appeared in court last month charged with assault to severe injury. He made no plea or declaration and was kept in custody.

Lennon, 37, was treated for minor injuries following an incident in Ashton Lane on 1 September.

The incident happened hours after Lennon was in the Celtic dugout for the club's 4-2 home defeat to Rangers.




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08/10/2008 16:50:56
Whats football got to do with religion or schools?

Only one club in Scotland have operated a policy of discrimination based on religion: Glasgow Rearrangerz

Ouch!


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Jame